Muscley Manly Men

WindSock

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jean-Claude Van Damme, The Rock, Vin Diesel, etc. Do you find these types of guys attractive, or do you prefer the other type of men. you know... the non pumped up in the gym types? Personally I am turned off by giant sweaty muscles. I do like natural lean ones that a man has from doing a bit of work such as gardening though...:pac:

Millie

Those Beefcake sort of guys have never ever done it for me.

GirlInterrupted

As long as they're hairy, I couldn't care less about musculature.

Although, they obviously should have enough to open jars.

allabouteve

Don't like the sort who spends all day in the gym, tend to find them a little self absorbed.

So no, no bodybuilder types, in general, for me.

A deep voice though....nice.:)

liah

Nah, overmuscled men who are so that they look unnatural don't appeal to me, mainly because they're probably ridiculously vain and spend altogether too much time either ingesting muscle enhancement drugs or at the gym.. or both.

That being said I like pretty much any body type so long as they're not morbidly obese, and if the beefcake guy had a nice face, was a sweetheart, and was by some strange stroke of luck not spending altogether too much time on his physique, I probably wouldn't say no..

jellie

i dont like too many muscles, & up until my ex i always liked tall but kinda slim men. now i like defined but not over the top muscles.. kind of just nicely toned or something. my ex worked in construction so his body was just from working, he wasnt anythign too amazing, but his arms.. *drool* dunno why, arms never did anything for me before! but he has loooooovely upper arms

MonicaBing

Amen to the above post, my guy is 5"11 or thereabouts is fit from cycling everywhere, but his LEGS:D, my jesus the man has a pair of legs i could lick!!!

Musclebound guys are all fine and well i suppose, but i'd be afraid i'd be squished! now yer man out of Sex & the city? Jason Lewis? Gush gush moist!!!!;)

allabouteve

Watching guys standing around the gym watching each other lift always struck me as sort of homoerotic.

Coupled with the narcissistic tendencies of the guys I know who are lifters, has a off-putting effect on me.

Cue dozens of lifters tearing shreds of me!

Don't worry, its a huge generalization, I know!

sam34

dont like those mega-muscle types at all.

obviously, dont want the other extreme either.

nice toned forearms work for me, but not too muscley.

fussy? me?

Scarinae

Toned body, yes. Pumped-up steroid-induced muscles, no.

I'm glad to see that a few other people on the thread have mentioned the arm thing though - my boyfriend has the sexiest arms ever, but he seems to think I have some sort of weird fetish! Well not that bad, but he thought it was a bit bonkers when I said it to him, he can't understand why I'd find his arms so attractive

idontknowmyname

No never went for the muscle types- an old flatmate of mine was seeing a personal trainer who had muscles like i'd never seen before- was a nice quietly spoken guy. I prefer the leaner look, always have!

sam34

Fishie wrote: »

Toned body, yes. Pumped-up steroid-induced muscles, no.

I'm glad to see that a few other people on the thread have mentioned the arm thing though - my boyfriend has the sexiest arms ever, but he seems to think I have some sort of weird fetish! Well not that bad, but he thought it was a bit bonkers when I said it to him, he can't understand why I'd find his arms so attractive

i adore nice forearms on a guy, nice and toned ones, not pumped-up ones.

im not sure what it is that makes them attractive - my sister maintains its the suggestion that he'd be well able to support himself while ridin' ya :pac:

Jemmy

Fishie wrote: »

I'm glad to see that a few other people on the thread have mentioned the arm thing though - my boyfriend has the sexiest arms ever, but he seems to think I have some sort of weird fetish! Well not that bad, but he thought it was a bit bonkers when I said it to him, he can't understand why I'd find his arms so attractive

Phew im not the only one with the arm thing. :cool:
One of the first things I said to my ex the night he came to stay, think I got a 'em ok then' response too! lol

All my exs have had different builds, so I dont go for one specific type. Skinny, tall, short, beer bellied, toned or not it doesnt matter if im attracted to him.

Altho I dont think Id find myself going after a fitness crazed body builder tbh. Well ya never know I might if he was a decent guy behind that gym freak appearance!

metaoblivia

I was never into the beefcake type. In my younger years, I liked skinny guys. As I've matured, I still like my skinny guys, but I appreciate some natural, toned muscle.

Quality

I like them nice and toned and CLEAN looking... Scruffy does not do it for me!!

pierrot

I never understood why some guys go crazy in the gym building up muscles when i have never met a woman who professes to like such a physique

metaoblivia

pierrot wrote: »

I never understood why some guys go crazy in the gym building up muscles when i have never met a woman who professes to like such a physique

Maybe it's similar to some women trying to be as thin as possible when most men I know prefer curves and some meat on the bones? As in, it's more about what they perceive as attractive or what they think will make them feel good rather than what the majority opinion of the opposite sex thinks.

LivingDeadGirl

Beefcake, no way, screams 'meathead/imbecile' to me, as stereotypical as that may sound.

Nice arms and a slim waist, pleez.

brianthebard

pierrot wrote: »

I never understood why some guys go crazy in the gym building up muscles when i have never met a woman who professes to like such a physique

Maybe, just maybe, its something they do for themselves and not for others? Is that such a terrible thing?

I'm not going to defend people's desire to weight lift or body build because tbh I get the feeling that people are posting from ignorance or a very biased stereotyped view, so all I'll say is that lifting puts a butt on a guy (or girl) unlike anything else. Which is generally considered a good thing?

Silverfish

brianthebard wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, its something they do for themselves and not for others? Is that such a terrible thing?

I'm not going to defend people's desire to weight lift or body build because tbh I get the feeling that people are posting from ignorance or a very biased stereotyped view, so all I'll say is that lifting puts a butt on a guy (or girl) unlike anything else. Which is generally considered a good thing?

So, if you see some 400lb + woman, will you be attracted to her just so you won't be seen as ignorant biased and stereotyped?

Doubt it. I think most men should be fecking glad we're not all tearing our hair out over musclebound blokes because if that was the case, you'd all be fecked and left staring at your posters of Keira Knightly on yer own.

Anyway, presumably I'll be held to question and made justify myself to every bloke in the world now, but I personally don't like the "I work out 5 hours a day lookit my abs' guys at all.

Men can be manly without being muscley, I prefer the type that aren't.

Peared

I'd say a few people here know what I'm going to say already but...

Chabal ftw!

pierrot

brianthebard wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, its something they do for themselves and not for others? Is that such a terrible thing?

Nobody ever does anything for themselves. Just for sex. :pac:

brianthebard

Silverfish wrote: »

So, if you see some 400lb + woman, will you be attracted to her just so you won't be seen as ignorant biased and stereotyped?

Doubt it. I think most men should be fecking glad we're not all tearing our hair out over musclebound blokes because if that was the case, you'd all be fecked and left staring at your posters of Keira Knightly on yer own.

Anyway, presumably I'll be held to question and made justify myself to every bloke in the world now, but I personally don't like the "I work out 5 hours a day lookit my abs' guys at all.

Men can be manly without being muscley, I prefer the type that aren't.

I don't know any 400lb+ woman, do you? Fwiw though (not much) my first girlfriend was overweight. I'm not asking that you change your opinion just so as not to appear ignorant and jaundiced by stereotypes, I'm asking that you consider that a possibility and actually stop using statements like "I work out 5 hours a day lookit my abs" as your typical lifter. At least two of the four guys in the first post were on steroids, one was a 7 times Mr. O! These are not average or even above average lifters, these are pinnacles, the .0001%, the genetic freaks that have been chosen to represent muscly men. If you don't find Arnie hot, fine. But just like your 400lb+ example, how often do you bump into guys that are like him?

Peared wrote: »

I'd say a few people here know what I'm going to say already but...

Chabal ftw!

peared! (and chabal!)

telemachus

Silverfish wrote: »

So, if you see some 400lb + woman, will you be attracted to her just so you won't be seen as ignorant biased and stereotyped?

Doubt it. I think most men should be fecking glad we're not all tearing our hair out over musclebound blokes because if that was the case, you'd all be fecked and left staring at your posters of Keira Knightly on yer own.

Anyway, presumably I'll be held to question and made justify myself to every bloke in the world now, but I personally don't like the "I work out 5 hours a day lookit my abs' guys at all.

Men can be manly without being muscley, I prefer the type that aren't.

I really don't see where in his post you're getting this from, i've lifted weights for years now in and out of relationships and the main motivation is not to have girls swoon over me, nor do I have any delusions that they would as a result. He's also entirely correct when he talks about ignorance on the subject, there's alot of talk about "honest muscle" , "tone" and "rippling muscles" that has no basis in reality and makes largely inaccurate assumptions.

I can't see for the life of me what this has to do with being attracted to an overweight person, of either sex, on principle.

Silverfish

telemachus wrote: »

I really don't see where in his post you're getting this from, i've lifted weights for years now in and out of relationships and the main motivation is not to have girls swoon over me, nor do I have any delusions that they would as a result. He's also entirely correct when he talks about ignorance on the subject, there's alot of talk about "honest muscle" , "tone" and "rippling muscles" that has no basis in reality and makes largely inaccurate assumptions.

I can't see for the life of me what this has to do with being attracted to an overweight person, of either sex, on principle.

I don't give a crap.I don't find guys who work out attractive physically, full stop. This thread is based on appearances, I don't generally judge by appearance, but if I did, I personally do not like guys who work out.

Now, are we ladies entitled to have our opinion in the Ladies Lounge, or would you like to continue making us justify every damn opinion we have?

I have my nose pierced. A lot of guys don't like that. If you were to post in a forum for men in a thread titled 'Women with pierced noses' that you did not personally like that, am I entitled to come in and rant and rave and tell you you're ignorant and biased?

telemachus

It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if you only liked men who were over seven feet tall, or who had naturally sprouting purple hair, I simply don't think Brian was in any way chastising you/others for specific tastes and I believe you misinterpreted his point, obviously it would be ludicrous to try and paint someone as shallow for having an inherent attraction to certain traits, and if for some reason you think that's what i'm doing I apologise.


Whoopsie, missed the edit, my large musclebound head constricts the flow of blood to my brain, making me ponderous , no I wouldn't think that disliking women with pierced noses was wrong, I would question a thread starting with a picture of a woman with a 3 foot 10 kilo pole protruding from her nostrils as a basis to judge all those with facial piercings. I think that's the point Brian is making (though I can't speak for him) with Arnie et al being referenced as regards male gym goers.

brianthebard

Silverfish wrote: »

I don't give a crap.I don't find guys who work out attractive physically, full stop. This thread is based on appearances, I don't generally judge by appearance, but if I did, I personally do not like guys who work out.

Now, are we ladies entitled to have our opinion in the Ladies Lounge, or would you like to continue making us justify every damn opinion we have?

I have my nose pierced. A lot of guys don't like that. If you were to post in a forum for men in a thread titled 'Women with pierced noses' that you did not personally like that, am I entitled to come in and rant and rave and tell you you're ignorant and biased?

I would've said the exact same things if this thread was about women who lift and then the examples were all Ms. O winning bodybuilders. Its not the personal preference I am bothered by, its the lack of information that people have and the use of stereotypes that I find unnecessary and counter productive.There was no ranting or raving and I don't see why the discussion has to move towards these terms and attitude.

d-gal

Silverfish wrote: »

Anyway, presumably I'll be held to question and made justify myself to every bloke in the world now, but I personally don't like the "I work out 5 hours a day lookit my abs' guys at all.

Ya and I don't like the 'I drink 3 nights a week look at my beer belly' guy at all :rolleyes:

The look of Arnie is very rare and you will be lucky to meet someone like that in the flesh. Over muscley men is a broad statement, for example alot of girls like Jerry Flannery (thinks his body is unreal etc.) and I would consider him a freak of nature :pac: (extremely admirable tho).
I was published in a ladies magazine recently for a personal training section and I had to pose topless, some people called me to beefy, others called me very athletic, again different opinions for people.
The most positive aspect is that at least you know these guys are a lot healthier than the average Irish man!

Snowie

Peared wrote: »

I'd say a few people here know what I'm going to say already but...

Chabal ftw!

I called my gold fish Chabal then some one ate him

Jemmy

brianthebard wrote: »

I don't know any 400lb+ woman, do you? Fwiw though (not much) my first girlfriend was overweight. I'm not asking that you change your opinion just so as not to appear ignorant and jaundiced by stereotypes, I'm asking that you consider that a possibility and actually stop using statements like "I work out 5 hours a day lookit my abs" as your typical lifter. At least two of the four guys in the first post were on steroids, one was a 7 times Mr. O! These are not average or even above average lifters, these are pinnacles, the .0001%, the genetic freaks that have been chosen to represent muscly men. If you don't find Arnie hot, fine. But just like your 400lb+ example, how often do you bump into guys that are like him?

I have to agree with this, my sisters boyfriend is into lifting and trains alot but is skinnier and slightly shorter than me. They arent all beefcakes like ppl are making out.

peared! (and chabal!)

Em your a boy right? Fair play! :D

Aisling(",)

I love big lads.
big and stocky dont mind loads of muscles once it isnt into the bodybuilder freaky vein types.
i love big chubby guys aswell though.basically just amnt really into slim lads though i do seem to end up with them.

Silverfish

brianthebard wrote: »

I would've said the exact same things if this thread was about women who lift and then the examples were all Ms. O winning bodybuilders. Its not the personal preference I am bothered by, its the lack of information that people have and the use of stereotypes that I find unnecessary and counter productive.There was no ranting or raving and I don't see why the discussion has to move towards these terms and attitude.

But look at any thread started on men's opinions on women, they're FULL of stereotypes. There's plenty on AH, BGRH, Slydice, BSG, whatever other tv subforums. I've yet to see ANY of the males there being made to justify their opinion to a bunch of females. All personal opinion is based on bias. Biased against brunettes, or small girls, or tall girls, or whatever.
Yet somehow on tLL, here we are.

I know a good few guys that work out, some a lot, huge rippling muscles and in my admittedly LIMITED experience, all 3 of them did it for the ladeez to some degree of success. Now in my experience, that makes it 100% of the guys I know who work out to that level who do it for female attention.

I know some who work out just to keep in shape, I;d say a 5/50 split of them doing it for themselves and doing it for women, to varying degrees of success with the ladies.

However, whatever their reasons, this is not a thread from their point of view, it is a thread based on what women think of these men, the ones who work out a lot, for themselves or for others, to the ones who work out moderately to still display muscle or whatever.

I don't like either. I really don't.

brianthebard

Jemmy wrote: »

I have to agree with this, my sisters boyfriend is into lifting and trains alot but is skinnier and slightly shorter than me. They arent all beefcakes like ppl are making out.

Em your a boy right? Fair play! :D

Thanks for backing up my point. I love lifting but I've yet to have anyone accuse me of looking like a lifter. That's not the reason people do it, at least not always. (oh and I'd totally go gay for chabal! :pac: (oh wait that emoticon isn't a good choice in this situation. ))

Silverfish wrote: »

But look at any thread started on men's opinions on women, they're FULL of stereotypes. There's plenty on AH, BGRH, Slydice, BSG, whatever other tv subforums. I've yet to see ANY of the males there being made to justify their opinion to a bunch of females. All personal opinion is based on bias. Biased against brunettes, or small girls, or tall girls, or whatever.
Yet somehow on tLL, here we are.

Lazy stereotypes somewhere else makes other lazy stereotypes here acceptable? If you feel people are saying silly things on AH, why not call them out on it? Playing if you can't beat them join them doesn't help anyone. Why do you assume that this has anything to do with the forum this thread is in?

Galvasean

So the general consensus is not being attracted to the giant Arnie style muscle men, but what of those muscle men who are a bit smaller (ie: can fit into a suit and still look in proportion), but still 'buit' such as Daniel Craig or Christian Bale?

Silverfish

brianthebard wrote: »

Lazy stereotypes somewhere else makes other lazy stereotypes here acceptable? If you feel people are saying silly things on AH, why not call them out on it? Playing if you can't beat them join them doesn't help anyone. Why do you assume that this has anything to do with the forum this thread is in?

Em, because its personal opinion. I'm not going to go find posters who like tall blondes and scream them out of it for being biased against small brunettes or tall redheads. It doesn't matter to me at all. It's not going to change what they like. Being attracted to one person's appearance to the expense of another's does not make you ignorant or silly, it makes you human.

Jemmy

Galvasean wrote: »

but still 'buit' such as Daniel Craig or Christian Bale?

1. buit : slang term for retarded mouse with a broken leg


Daniel Craig is a mouse? :eek::p

brianthebard

Silverfish wrote: »

Em, because its personal opinion. I'm not going to go find posters who like tall blondes and scream them out of it for being biased against small brunettes or tall redheads. It doesn't matter to me at all. It's not going to change what they like. Being attracted to one person's appearance to the expense of another's does not make you ignorant or silly, it makes you human.

No one's been screaming. This hasn't been a personal attack on you, I don't know why you read it like that. I never called anyone silly, and if you read my first post you'd see the use of ignorance in that context was not the same as calling everyone ignorant. Really if all this is just about defending people's personal opinions, then getting worked up at my personal opinion seems self defeating.

Silverfish

brianthebard wrote: »

No one's been screaming. This hasn't been a personal attack on you, I don't know why you read it like that. I never called anyone silly,

Em, you said if I saw people doing 'Silly' things, I was pointing out that those 'silly' things were people giving their opinion on 'I find this attractive / I don't find this attractive' ..... that's where I got the 'silly' from. Here.

If you feel people are saying silly things on AH, why not call them out on it?

It is about defending personal opinions, its the fact that we (ladies) shouldn't have to do it here (the ladies lounge) to men when we are stating our personal opinions on attractiveness, I'm not seeing what your issue is

Jemmy

I think you should take your little disagreement to the ranting thread tbh...
Off topin at this stage...

WindSock wrote: »

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jean-Claude Van Damme, The Rock, Vin Diesel, etc. Do you find these types of guys attractive, or do you prefer the other type of men. you know... the non pumped up in the gym types? Personally I am turned off by giant sweaty muscles. I do like natural lean ones that a man has from doing a bit of work such as gardening though...:pac:

telemachus

This is really just developing into a case of crossed wires, I don't think ayone on this thread is saying it's wrong to have an inherent physical preference and yet it keeps being brought back to this.

When i posted I didn't intend to berate anyone for their physical ideals, I did so because there seems to be a lot of confusion over what weightlifters/gym goers are, typified by comparisons to Arnie and so on, and the majority opinion seems drasticly at odds with the lengthy "Drool" thread on this forum the occupants of which everyone seems to assume have come by their physique via gardening, saving old women and bodily sweeping women off their feet, all honest pursuits, on the basis that they don't look like Arnie.

Me personally, I like the solid tangible achievement of being stronger than I was last week, of simply being able to pick up something heavier than I ever could before. I imagine this has something to do with picking up the hobby while losing my mind doing five years of philosophy study, there's a wonderfully simplistic beauty to it in the midst of an awful lot of intangible nonsense that is life.

ps I've gone up a couple of inches in waist size this last month or so (bastard hot cross buns, so delicious...) so i neither look like Arnie, nor a droolably honestly muscled fellow

edit: sorry, the previous poster is probably right, i'll shut up, and for the record on topic, I *heart* Arnie, one day I too aspire to the crushing of enemies and the lamentation of women.

Silverfish

Alright crikey, you all have lovely bottoms.

Yes, I can see the appeal in working out and weightlifting, and I mean proper proper weightlifting, not my 3lb dumbells which are only around to be dropped on my foot when I move house.

I would love love love to be able to do that. I'd love to lift heavy stuff. Okay, I can and do lift heavy stuff. I've to play with boys all day. But fair play. I would never mean to imply that any man who does it is not a towering fabulous wonderful example of manhood. He is. Really.

Whenever any of the lads in work show me their muscle(s) (some only have one, from not lifting as much heavy stuff as me or whatever) I always say 'oooh'. Pretty much the same way as I'd say 'Yes, Aunt Muriel, I LOVE the new wallpaper'. I feel about as much physical attraction to that as I do to the wallpaper. Its the same amount of decoration.

That's not to say that these men do it FOR decoration, it serves a purpose. Unlike wallpaper. Its something to strive towards, and through, and past.

But it will not ever be physically attractive to me ever. I just don't like the feeling of (what I deem) too much muscle. Its like hugging a table. I know there's women that'd claw through my body to get to that table, and that's grand, I'll step aside if they ask. But its just not for me. And I know personally that if its not for me, there's a lot of other women who feel the exact same way.

Scarinae

sam34 wrote: »

im not sure what it is that makes them attractive - my sister maintains its the suggestion that he'd be well able to support himself while ridin' ya :pac:

One of my friends told me that she read somewhere that some women find forearms attractive because it is connected to their, um, girth... Not sure how true that is, but I do find it funny!

It is particularly forearms that I find attractive, however I have to say I am partial to nicely toned upper arms as well - nothing like a good firm bicep, yum

Galvasean

Jemmy wrote: »

1. buit : slang term for retarded mouse with a broken leg


Daniel Craig is a mouse? :eek::p

Erm, 'built' :pac:

Fishie wrote: »

One of my friends told me that she read somewhere that some women find forearms attractive because it is connected to their, um, girth... Not sure how true that is, but I do find it funny!

So, if I hit the gym and work on my arms, my girth will increase... *noted*

Scarinae

Galvasean wrote: »

So, if I hit the gym and work on my arms, my girth will increase... *noted*

Oh, definitely. And I'd know, I'm a scientist

telemachus

This thread is steadily depressing me more and more . I naturally have slim girlish wrists/forearms (and apparently a matching appendage ). Ontop of this I am loathed by half group A (furniture haters) for lifting weights and probably equally loathed by group B (the table lovers) because while the vestiges of a "table" may be buried in me somewhere, I am a table in disguise, covered in a large thick rug consisting of hotcross buns, I am more beanbag than table.

Also, i think i'm going to cry at the sight of another metaphor.

Jules

Ok guys.. and i mean GUYS, this thread was started by a woman who wanted to see what body types, in particular "beefcakes" other WOMEN liked. Now that does not mean every guy can come in and start saying that "guys do it for x and y" or whatever, it was a simple discussion on if they thought it was attractive or not.

So lets get back to it and if another guys posts and it isnt along the lines of "n no im not into that sort of thing, or oh holy jebsus yes i love a beefcake" they will be infracted for bring the thread off topic.

On topic, i don't like the big muscles etc i like my men more soft around the middle

Scarinae

Don't get me wrong, good forearms aren't necessarily muscly ones! I find some slender forearms really sexy as well - this is what confuses me, I can't quite explain what makes one set of forearms more attractive than another set! Anyone else with a forearm fetish able to explain it?

pow wow

Not much into muscles but big broad shoulders....well hello.

b3t4

I don't like very built guys as they would make me insecure about my own body. I like a guy to be on the soft and cuddly side with some muscle and confidence thrown in for good measure.

I do, like some other posters, like strong arms. Nothing sexier. (Himself improved his by simply following a press up programme he found online) There is something wonderfully comforting about being wrapped up in those arms, strong yet gentle.

I've come to really appreciate strong legs as himself is very much into his mountain biking.

A.

WindSock

Oh dear. Those examples I gave seem to have got people all in a flutter. They were just examples of big muscley men that are well known. Regardless of whether they are on steroids are not, them taking the steroids are not dissimilar to a woman having a boob job. It's all done to enhance a stereotypical view of what a man/woman should look like in order to be deemed attractive. Only the thing is, more men seem to be attracted to larger fake breasts, than women are to larger pumped/steroided arms. The exception seems to be Gay men go for this look moreso (Generalising, I know. But, meh).

g'em

Dammit why do I always get to the good threads so late

First off, my bf is a bodybuilder so I guess that answers the question as to whether or not I find that "look" attractive. But he'll look ripped and super-lean for literally only a couple of days of the year, the rest of the time he just looks big and broad and altogether gorgeous with some soft bits here and there just like any of the rest of us.


Okay, not quite like the rest of us, but like a big gym bloke

liah wrote: »

Nah, overmuscled men who are so that they look unnatural don't appeal to me, mainly because they're probably ridiculously vain and spend altogether too much time either ingesting muscle enhancement drugs or at the gym.. or both.

In my personal experience I find 'metrosexual' or highly fashion-conscious men a lot more vain that guys who work out all the time. My bf spends around 7-10 hours per week in the gym, but that's the same as me so I see nothing wrong with it at all. He has no beauty regime, he doesn't spend hours preening himself, actually he's one of the most "wash'n'go" people I know.

liah wrote:

That being said I like pretty much any body type so long as they're not morbidly obese, and if the beefcake guy had a nice face, was a sweetheart, and was by some strange stroke of luck not spending altogether too much time on his physique, I probably wouldn't say no..

That's him in a nutshell really, his heart is bigger than his muscles, and that's saying something

Of course, the fact that his 20" arms make phenomenal cushions to lie up against doesn't hurt either.

pierrot wrote: »

I never understood why some guys go crazy in the gym building up muscles when i have never met a woman who professes to like such a physique

You've never met me, but I'm one. It's not just the physique though - it's the lifestyle that goes with it. While it may not be to everyone's taste or inclination, I completely appreciate the hours that go into building a body like that and it compliments my own goals quite well. I work hard, long hours in the gym to better myself - strength is my primary goal, physique is no. 2, but the dedication and motivation required for either is still the same. So to me, it's not just a 'look', it's a lifestyle, and I love it in my man. I love that we can talk training, bounce ideas of each other, nether of us will look at the other like they've ten heads where some of our more unorthodox dietary regimes are concerned. I admire and respect his training ethics and he likewise with me.

LivingDeadGirl wrote: »

Beefcake, no way, screams 'meathead/imbecile' to me, as stereotypical as that may sound.

Incredibly stereotypical. There's stupid and clever people in every walk of life and in every lifestyle imaginable. Successful training comes down to intelligent choices and great kinesthetic awareness - stupid people (as in any other pursuit) will simply not go very far at all.

Silverfish wrote: »

I would never mean to imply that any man who does it is not a towering fabulous wonderful example of manhood. He is. Really.

Why the need to belittle those who make that choice though? Why assume that it all comes down to needing to prove their manhood?

WindSock wrote: »

Regardless of whether they are on steroids are not, them taking the steroids are not dissimilar to a woman having a boob job.

Not that similar imo - steroids are not just about aesthetic enhancement, it's very much to do with strength gain also; that is, there's a goal in mind and in order for steroids to 'work' a hell of a lot of work has to be put in behind the scenes (diet/ training/ rest etc.). Plastic boobs are... well, just plastic boobs.