New ULSU website

Polar Ice

Just spotted a new ULSU website

http://www.ulsu.ie/

I'm not quite sure if it's finished or not. Just as a matter or curiosity, what do people think?

ninty9er

I'm still getting the old one.

ninty9er

http://ulsu.ie

It isn't chrome friendly.:(

thattequilagirl

I think it looks much better. It's much easier to get around and generally a nicer website to use.

I'm very disappointed that they opted not to go for a forum. This place is great for opinions/news on UL stuff and the su website should be the same. The excuse is that is was to get rid of the spam, but that could have been done without getting rid of the forum.

Robo_Mike

Im still only getting the old site, when I click either link....

kingkane

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I think it looks much better. It's much easier to get around and generally a nicer website to use.

I'm very disappointed that they opted not to go for a forum. This place is great for opinions/news on UL stuff and the su website should be the same. The excuse is that is was to get rid of the spam, but that could have been done without getting rid of the forum.

Interesting that the forum was dropped.

kingkane

Robo_Mike wrote: »

Im still only getting the old site, when I click either link....

It may just take time for the new DNS to resolve where you are coming off.

KerranJast

It looks god awful tbh. Very bad choice of colours and structure. Looks like its stuck in the 90s. It even has a marquee :rolleyes:

Robo_Mike

kingkane wrote: »

It may just take time for the new DNS to resolve where you are coming off.

Connecting in kilmurry to the ul network.......

1huge1

Looks very poor in firefox, lot of work left to be done I assume

Feyy

KerranJast wrote: »

It looks god awful tbh. Very bad choice of colours and structure. Looks like its stuck in the 90s. It even has a marquee :rolleyes:

+1 Looks very like a quick job with lack of effort

ninty9er

Feyy wrote: »

+1 Looks very like a quick job with lack of effort

Definitely not a quick job, I can assure you of that. A lot of effort has also gone into it, but I think the end product lets down the hard work put into getting a new website up and running.

As for the forum, phpbb is a crap format, and I would advocate scrapping it in favour of a vbulletin format.

rmacm

ninty9er wrote: »

As for the forum, phpbb is a crap format, and I would advocate scrapping it in favour of a vbulletin format.

Most of the Vbulletin forums you see on the web tend to be heavily customised, not an easy task if you want to stay current with the Vb releases e.g. an upgrade could end up breaking a load of custom functionality you have. phpbb isn't half bad, plus the SU forums don't use phpbb, it was Simple Machines Forum last time I looked.

KerranJast

rmacm wrote: »

Most of the Vbulletin forums you see on the web tend to be heavily customised, not an easy task if you want to stay current with the Vb releases e.g. an upgrade could end up breaking a load of custom functionality you have. phpbb isn't half bad, plus the SU forums don't use phpbb, it was Simple Machines Forum last time I looked.

A proper vBulletin deployment uses themes which are not modified by subsequent core code patches. phpBB is a bug filled piece of hacker catnip. Pointless installing it on any kind of busy site.

ninty9er wrote: »

Definitely not a quick job, I can assure you of that. A lot of effort has also gone into it, but I think the end product lets down the hard work put into getting a new website up and running.

It shouldn't be launched if it isn't finished. That's really unprofessional.

kingkane

Robo_Mike wrote: »

Connecting in kilmurry to the ul network.......

Could be that the proxy you are going through has the old IP as a sort of sticky.

rmacm

KerranJast wrote: »

A proper vBulletin deployment uses themes which are not modified by subsequent core code patches. phpBB is a bug filled piece of hacker catnip. Pointless installing it on any kind of busy site.

Actually phpbb3 is pretty secure and it went through a security audit before release. I keep an eye on a variety of security mailing lists too and I don't have many memories of phpbb vulnerabilities showing up (a search on the SANS website throws up one reference to a vulnerability).

Of course a trawl across SANS/Security Focus isn't necessarily a rigorous test but it's a bit more substantive than throwing out an opinion without any backup.

I was referring to modification of the code to add extra functionality, correct me if I'm wrong but themes only cover the presentation/ui end of the application. Sure your themes mightn't break but if you have patched code/added extra functionality that's not part of the Vbulletin standard build then there's a chance an upgrade will break something.

KerranJast

rmacm wrote: »

Actually phpbb3 is pretty secure and it went through a security audit before release. I keep an eye on a variety of security mailing lists too and I don't have many memories of phpbb vulnerabilities showing up (a search on the SANS website throws up one reference to a vulnerability).

Of course a trawl across SANS/Security Focus isn't necessarily a rigorous test but it's a bit more substantive than throwing out an opinion without any backup.

I was referring to modification of the code to add extra functionality, correct me if I'm wrong but themes only cover the presentation/ui end of the application. Sure your themes mightn't break but if you have patched code/added extra functionality that's not part of the Vbulletin standard build then there's a chance an upgrade will break something.

There are plugins and modules to add extra functionality or you can write your own modules/plugins/components. Hacking at the core files of any big software project like vBulletin is a last resort. vB is the industry leader and I highly doubt there's anything phpBB does that it can't dont out of the box.

bluedolphin

The website isn't completely up as of yet - it will take another day or so before it's completed.

Re: how it looks...with a CMS, the appearance of a site is very limited as the content is taking priority.

Re: the forum...having monitored it for a while, the actual number of real members (as opposed to spammers) was quite few, the regular posters even fewer and the number of people double-posting was ridiculous. It was an in-house cliquey group that really posed more of a problem (in terms of spam and monitoring for libel) than benefit. There will be a guestbook on the final site where users can leave comments once approved by admin.

thattequilagirl

bluedolphin wrote: »

Re: the forum...having monitored it for a while, the actual number of real members (as opposed to spammers) was quite few, the regular posters even fewer and the number of people double-posting was ridiculous. It was an in-house cliquey group that really posed more of a problem (in terms of spam and monitoring for libel) than benefit. There will be a guestbook on the final site where users can leave comments once approved by admin.

Another option would have been to get rid of the spammers and promote the website/forum heavily so that a greater variety of students use it.

They use this one like...

Oisín Collins

This is one of the ugliest website's I have ever seen. It's pretty embarrassing to think that this is the "great new website" that the ULSU Sabbats have been bragging about since the first semester (and then failed to deliver until almost April!)

The content is only better because the old website was locked out and in comparison, having news that isn't months old is like a breath of oxygen. The layout is mediocre and certainly no improvement on the old site.

The removal of the forum is a shame, but the reasons purported here are frankly concerning!

bluedolphin wrote:

Re: the forum...having monitored it for a while, the actual number of real members (as opposed to spammers) was quite few, the regular posters even fewer and the number of people double-posting was ridiculous. It was an in-house cliquey group that really posed more of a problem (in terms of spam and monitoring for libel) than benefit. There will be a guestbook on the final site where users can leave comments once approved by admin.

I agree with the other poster that encouraging it's use would be better, but even if it is just a cliquey group of people, it should be no surprise that they're the ones who are engaged with the Union, and may have something to contribute.

The claims of "having to monitor for libel" are insane by the way, I've been on the boards for years and there's been virtually nothing of the sort. You'd think it was like the Daily Mail's website the way bluedolphin is going on!

This new guestbook idea, where all ideas and opinions are carefully monitored and approved by the all-seeing eye of the ULSU, is crap to put it bluntly. Smacks of more protectionist rubbish where the SU refuses to allow self-critique in the media channels it controls.

That's all, in summary, crap job, took too long.

tyRion

Long time lurker, infrequent poster, yadda yadda.

To copy and paste a few things from the Facebook Group.

• Validation results for the index page from www.w3.org (144 errors). Without proper validation blind users viewing the site through screen readers or Google bots, scraping the site for listings will fail to render the site correctly. Validation Matters.
• DNS broke in the move. E-Mail is gone: I tried to mail president@ulsu.ie and campaigns@ulsu.ie earlier, both mails bounced with 550 errors (Permanent Failure).
• The forum was removed, citing Spam problems. G-Soc, MBUL, Kayak, Softball and DebU to name a few, have no problems maintaining their forums.

Looking at other sites that Molehill Solutions (Mick Phelan) have designed, the "new" ULSU site is an off-the shelf CMS that's been used several times before.

Having worked in a web design firm I imagine there was about 4-5 hours of Photoshop work done, tops 10 hours of customisation to the CMS, and a further 2-3 hours of content propagation (there's very little content on the site at the moment, no back catalog and most content was copied and pasted from Word docs.). We're talking 20 hours here, max (most likely less, as there was no bug checking, proven by the 144 errors on the site).

Standard rate for a web designer is €30 an hour. That puts the job at ~€500. Rumor has it that the site cost over €4k... as a student I personally would like an exact breakdown on how much this site cost and where the money went. Also, why was this outsourced when we have hundreds of students with similar skills in the university (and the SU could have been keeping students money in Students' pockets)?

Why didn't the SU model the site on other SU sites which actually work for their students; e.g. the NUIG site, SIN.ie?

The old forum is still up on Skynet. However all the links are hard links, not relative links and so the forum is completely unusable.

No .htaccess files have been implemented, and no re-directs are in place. Any old links to the SU site are now broken. All the old archives of An Focal have disappeared.

Not only has the site been re-designed, but it's been moved to a different hosting provider. I would like to pose the question: Why are the SU paying a yearly fee to Webhost.ie for only web hosting when Skynet provided web, mail, forum, mailing list, streaming radio, and chatrooms for free?

Hopefully our incumbent Communications Officer will make good on her election promises and fix this site, so that it's actually a useful and usable for students come September.

redlane

God this new website is truly awful. Firstly, while the last website was never great, this one is a step back visually. It looks like a free geocities template from 1998 - I'm not trying to be funny. The content is poor - not just because it's not finished yet, but because there is no imagination as to what content could be there. At very least, why isn't there a blog from each of the sabbats or even all of the sabbats? To set up a new website aimed at 17-25 (or so) year olds in 2009 and have no form of interaction or social networking is just utterly ridiculous. There is nothing new added to this website that wasn't on the old one. There is nothing on this that would attract students to check it at all, certainly not regularly, so why bother having a website? The most shocking part of all is that a professional company designed this. The portfolio of this company is very poor so really there was no excuse for going with them.

In relation to the forum, I never signed up to it but as it was the most up to date part of the site, I regularly checked it to see what was going on in UL - at least it kept the old site somewhat fresh. Now when I visit the site it just feels dead - just an on screen version of a student handbook or An Focal. Utterly pointless.

As a former student, I'm not up to the minute on the goings-on, so could someone tell me if that horrific logo on the site is a new official ULSU logo or was it just stuck in there by the designer?

karlonio

pretty bad over all

Zeouterlimits

redlane wrote: »

As a former student, I'm not up to the minute on the goings-on, so could someone tell me if that horrific logo on the site is a new official ULSU logo or was it just stuck in there by the designer?

It is the new official logo.

onedoubleo

I would also like to voice my disappointment at the site, wow a guestbook I remember having one of those on the site i made with homestead when I was 15. Bring back the forums it was the only place that had up to date news.
The old sites most up to date press release had quotes attributed to its president St.John, this will happen again and at least the forums kept up to date even if it was just a few people on them.

Peteee

Woah, just had a look at it there.

Hello 90s webdesign!

DJCR

You know what ..... I say its grand for what its there for...

It gives info to those that want it....

It doesn't give the opportunity to discuss issues through a forum but if you want to buy 100 condoms for a €1 go right ahead!! .... God knows you may turn a profit with the social welfare... at least before the budget comes out!!!

At the end of the day we have boards... not ideal to a lot of you but hey.... your all discussing it here so why not keep it here...

Get your info from the website and discuss it here.. big deal?? I think not!!

As to the design.... Who cares so long as we are kept up to date on the issues that matter... right now... does the design of the website matter??

With cut backs occuring all over the place, a 6 million euro debt to be settled (€8 million if you include Don Barry's pledge to sort out the sports fields)!!

Come on ..... yes I realise we've waited for ages for this new site ..... yes I'm sure you probably expected more... but for the number of students that use it, keep An Focal to the core.... I'm sorry but the numbers related to the site just don't add up to the bitchin that is being done.

(ps. if your looking for figures just ask around the University as to who uses the site and who doesn't..... I'm afraid we are in the minority)!!

Peteee

DJCR wrote: »

As to the design.... Who cares so long as we are kept up to date on the issues that matter... right now... does the design of the website matter??

The fact that it cost a lot of money and to be quite honest a number of people here could have whipped up a much better design in a few hours is what is getting people.

The final design does not reflect the amount of money put into it.

I've seen sites made in irony that look better then it.

redlane

Zeouterlimits wrote: »

It is the new official logo.

Why? Firstly, it's a rip-off of the old GAA logo, secondly, it is utterly meaningless.

DJCR wrote: »

You know what ..... I say its grand for what its there for...

It gives info to those that want it....

What do you want? Generic welfare/education info that's been copies from officer to officer over the years? Why would you bother checking this website more than once?

DJCR wrote: »

Get your info from the website and discuss it here.. big deal?? I think not!!

Surely the fact that boards.ie exists isn't an excuse for every Irish website to be bland and lifeless

DJCR wrote: »

As to the design.... Who cares so long as we are kept up to date on the issues that matter... right now... does the design of the website matter??

It's not that the design isn't totally cutting edge, it's that it is so very dated - ridiculously so

DJCR wrote: »

With cut backs occuring all over the place, a 6 million euro debt to be settled (€8 million if you include Don Barry's pledge to sort out the sports fields)!!

Is this a UL debt? Well then, it doesn't affect the SU surely, so that's not an excuse.

Polar Ice

DJCR wrote: »

As to the design.... Who cares so long as we are kept up to date on the issues that matter... right now... does the design of the website matter??

Some people I know in UCD asked was the website an April fools joke. It reflects poorly from an external point of view on the SU.

DJCR wrote: »

With cut backs occuring all over the place, a 6 million euro debt to be settled (€8 million if you include Don Barry's pledge to sort out the sports fields)!!

The communications officer has claimed that she doesn't know how much the site cost (even though it falls under her responsibility). The rumoured figure of ~4k is obscene (for the product) regardless, but especially when you start mentioning cutbacks.

thattequilagirl

While I agree with many of the criticisms I think you're being a tad harsh...

If they brought back the forum, ideally added a blog and stopped the stuff moving different directions on the screen cos that really wrecks my head I'd be happy enough.

Outdated as it may be, I still think it looks better than the previous one.

testicle

tyRion wrote: »

Looking at other sites that Molehill Solutions (Mick Phelan) have designed, the "new" ULSU site is an off-the shelf CMS that's been used several times before.

I wonder how he got that contract. Past ULSU President and all. :rolleyes:

testicle

KerranJast wrote: »

It shouldn't be launched if it isn't finished. That's really unprofessional.

Just like Gmail then...

ImDave

Polar Ice wrote: »

Some people I know in UCD asked was the website an April fools joke. It reflects poorly from an external point of view on the SU.

Absolutely. If a university offering high quality degree programmes in areas such as web development/design etc. has websites such as this representing the university it would inspire little confidence to third parties.

Could the SU not have tendered out a design template/proposal to the student body and offer some kind of prize/reward for the best design. The medical school done this not so long ago. They tendered the design of the school's logo to students of the university and offered a prize in return to the winning designer.

bluedolphin

Polar Ice wrote: »

The communications officer has claimed that she doesn't know how much the site cost (even though it falls under her responsibility). The rumoured figure of ~4k is obscene (for the product) regardless, but especially when you start mentioning cutbacks.

You asked me after a Council meeting; I didn't have exact figures on me then. It was no where near €4K...at all, that I'm certain of.

I'll put my hands up and take responsibility for this. If anyone wants to meet with me and discuss how we can move forward, please PM me. I apologise if it's fallen below par but I want to draw a line under this and move forward proactively and positively.

thattequilagirl

bluedolphin wrote: »

You asked me after a Council meeting; I didn't have exact figures on me then. It was no where near €4K...at all, that I'm certain of.

I'll put my hands up and take responsibility for this. If anyone wants to meet with me and discuss how we can move forward, please PM me. I apologise if it's fallen below par but I want to draw a line under this and move forward proactively and positively.

Fair play bluedolphin, hopefully some of those who think they could do better will step up to the plate.

kaimera

http://www.ul.ie/experience/

any ideas how long this has been up on the ul site?

ninty9er

kaimera wrote: »

http://www.ul.ie/experience/

any ideas how long this has been up on the ul site?

About 2 months.

Oisín Collins

bluedolphin wrote: »

You asked me after a Council meeting; I didn't have exact figures on me then. It was no where near €4K...at all, that I'm certain of.

I'll put my hands up and take responsibility for this. If anyone wants to meet with me and discuss how we can move forward, please PM me. I apologise if it's fallen below par but I want to draw a line under this and move forward proactively and positively.

New NUIG SU website http://www.su.nuigalway.ie/

Might be worth asking who did theirs?

tyRion

bluedolphin wrote: »

It was no where near €4K...at all, that I'm certain of.

So, how much did it cost? Surely the invoice is sitting on your desk or in your inbox?

bluedolphin wrote: »

If anyone wants to meet with me and discuss how we can move forward, please PM me.

You're getting tons of quality feedback right here:

ImDave wrote: »

Could the SU not have tendered out a design template/proposal to the student body and offer some kind of prize/reward for the best design.

thattequilagirl wrote: »

If they brought back the forum, ideally added a blog and stopped the stuff moving different directions on the screen cos that really wrecks my head I'd be happy enough.

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Another option would have been to get rid of the spammers and promote the website/forum heavily so that a greater variety of students use it.

redlane wrote: »

At very least, why isn't there a blog from each of the sabbats or even all of the sabbats?

Why does feedback need to be behind a locked door, one on one? Surely open discussion of the problem, offering multiple views from a variety of heads is a better solution?

DJCR wrote: »

At the end of the day we have boards... not ideal to a lot of you but hey.... your all discussing it here so why not keep it here...

bluedolphin wrote: »

If anyone wants to meet with me and discuss how we can move forward, please PM me.

So first we shut down the only in house method of SU discussion, then we're advised to move our discussion out of the one remaining public forum. We are moving further and further from a transparent process, An Focal wont publish SU criticism, or even balanced discussion (a la head2head) anymore.

Now I'm not saying we're moving toward a dictatorship, but such heavy handed control of the media can never be healthy.

We need to move toward an open system, like that used by Indymedia, and advocated by Reporters without Borders. Out of 173 countries ranked in terms of media transparency Ireland is 4th (so, one of the most open). With the way our current SU press office acts one would be convinced it was the University of Lagos Students Union.

The bizarre twist here is that neither the University or the Government are suppressing the media.

The solutions I'm proposing require a change in thinking. A prime example of this is the fact that the current Class Reps Facebook group is invite only and closed (hidden/secret I think is the term). Even class reps who want to join cannot.

Some ideas:

• Twitter updates from C&S council and Class reps Council
• Blogs for every Sabat, updated at a maximum daily, and a minimum weekly
• Comment systems for these blogs
• A forum so students can voice their views

Something I'd like to see is an open Sabat mailing list that anyone can read and subscribe to, but only the Sabats can post to. This would be the one place Sabats would bash out ideas, and would allow the rest of us see how decisions are made.

Admittedly, sensitive information (the main things I can think of relate to the welfare officer) would not be discussed in such a public manner, but 90% should be OK. This would be a more frequent extension of Exec meeting minutes (which are available for students to read, right?).

The paper and website should report and publish fact. Anyone who submits a story should see it published, even if that story disagrees with the SU or calls the SU out on a failing, however, the story needs to be factually accurate. If the editor disagrees with a story then say so in an editorial column. There should be one editorial column per hard copy issue, or one post a week on-line. The rest needs to be unbiased factual information. Don't remove fact, simply because it is disagreeable.

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Fair play bluedolphin, hopefully some of those who think they could do better will step up to the plate.

I'd like to bring about all these changes. It's realistically going to take months to enact all this, and a change of perspective (which may be impossible).

I ran in the elections, so that I could bring about this change. Unfortunately one thousand and eighty voices weren't enough.

rmacm

tyRion wrote: »

Why does feedback need to be behind a locked door, one on one? Surely open discussion of the problem, offering multiple views from a variety of heads is a better solution?

I don't see where anyone said that it has to be behind a locked door, one on one. Currently it isn't because a lot of people have thrown in their opionions here.

tyRion wrote: »

We need to move toward an open system, like that used by Indymedia, and advocated by Reporters without Borders. Out of 173 countries ranked in terms of media transparency Ireland is 4th (so, one of the most open). With the way our current SU press office acts one would be convinced it was the University of Lagos Students Union.

Indymedia isn't some kind of panacea for transparency either, a lot of the stuff on there has an agenda behind it too and to be honest anonymous journalism doesn't sound very transparent to me. I'll admit that it does have its uses in more respressive regimes but if you're going to write something about someone at least give them the right to reply and to know who has written what about them.

tyRion wrote: »

Some ideas:

• Twitter updates from C&S council and Class reps Council
• Blogs for every Sabat, updated at a maximum daily, and a minimum weekly
• Comment systems for these blogs
• A forum so students can voice their views

All good ideas I think, perhaps something the new Comms person could implement?

ULConnect

The UL Experience website was developed by the marketing department, what's up now is 'version 1' they're working on version 2 which apparently will have a lot of changes and a more student feel.

I think the NUIG website was designed by Starlight: http://www.starlight.ie/

Here's a good page with similar examples: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/03/11/the-secrets-of-grunge-design/

ninty9er

Personally I think the NUIGSU website isn't much better and the content seems to be slack, which at least can't be said of what we've got.

I floated the idea of a blog, but considering the President spend most of his week in meetings that can't be made public until after the next meeting of that forum has passed the contents, it would be kind of pointless apart from saying "I went here, I met x, I'll tell you in a month what I said to x"

It's not a bad idea though, and I wouldn't mind doing one, or at least blogging the officer reports given to Class Reps.

AFAIK Starlight was the company used for the previous website and the bookshop website which experienced numerous difficulties. Paul Killoran at Starlight has a close link with NUIGSU so perhaps he put some "personal effort" into making it "look okay" but IMO it's nothing special.

The content is all there now and I'm sure is moveable to any interface. In fairness to Aoife, the majority of work on the Union side has been on content.

Bakharwaldog

Very shoddy attempt. I dont understand how it could go so wrong? when u look at the branding for rag week http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=2071502031 or even just the logo used here. This could easily be addapted. I dont know just seems to have gone in completely the wrong direction. The old website was better, man even my old primary schools website was better.

Oisín Collins

ninty9er wrote: »

The content is all there now and I'm sure is moveable to any interface. In fairness to Aoife, the majority of work on the Union side has been on content.

Eh, no. Not only has an online version of An Focal or Pulse for this year been put up, all previous versions have been removed/not uploaded/lost/hidden/I don't know!

The Sabbat's individual pages are a joke, the "What your Sabbats do" intro by last years guys before the elections (in '08) had more information in them! And please don't expect me to 'ooh' and 'aah' over a phone number and an email address, seriously!

Can anyone please tell me what good new content is here that wasn't copied and pasted from the old site or from the UL website?

ninty9er

Pulse and An Focal is an issue I have only ever heard 3 or 4 people moan about and to be honest, while it's a good idea and has been done, to do it properly would cost a sizeable amount.

A PDF is probably do-able, but not everyone knows how to upload a PDF, and if you want to start stipulating that as a requirement for someone to be nominated for election as Communications Officer it's bordering on childish.

rmacm

ninty9er wrote: »

Pulse and An Focal is an issue I have only ever heard 3 or 4 people moan about and to be honest, while it's a good idea and has been done, to do it properly would cost a sizeable amount.

That would depend on your definition of properly, publishing a pdf version of the paper online wouldn't cost anything aside from the few seconds it takes to upload a pdf file. If you're talking about having An Focal in a similar manner to lets say the Irish Times website then yeah you're probably talking about it costing a bit of cash. That said I'd be willing to bet that most people would be happy with a pdf version.

ninty9er wrote: »

A PDF is probably do-able, but not everyone knows how to upload a PDF, and if you want to start stipulating that as a requirement for someone to be nominated for election as Communications Officer it's bordering on childish.

It's not that difficult, not everyone knows how to do it but I'm pretty sure bluedolphin and ergonomics are reasonable intelligent people and can be shown how to do it (and anyone that comes after them).

Oisín Collins

ninty9er wrote: »

A PDF is probably do-able, but not everyone knows how to upload a PDF, and if you want to start stipulating that as a requirement for someone to be nominated for election as Communications Officer it's bordering on childish.

First of all, it's as easy as uploading the constitution, which has been done.

Second of all, that's what Google and tutorials are for.

Thirdly - It should be a requirement that people can either do their job, learn how to, or ask someone who can for help.

DKoala

This is just a hunch, but something tells me someone has been tampering with the site, it's destroyed with racial slurs, and an oh-so-creative title... :-/


Also, trying to follow the link to the forum is not advised if others are in the room. Porn website redirect...

ninty9er

There is no forum on the new website.

Okay, so it's possibly an issue of the designer not using pdf to send to print.

Either way. An Focal and Pulse not being online isn't a big deal. I would like to see Pulse and An Focal online, but this is an old issue that goes back to previous officers too. The one who knew how to do it would, but just doesn't have the time anymore.

I don't like the design and old fashioned technology, but I have no issues with it otherwise.

KerranJast

Personally speaking having An Focal online as a PDF was a very good service for coop students and alumni with an interest in the college goings on. Not all of us can call into the college to grab a hard copy of the paper.