Sick days.

Firetrap

Last week, a friend of mine got what turned out to be a 24 hour bug and ended up having to go to the doctor because staff in his workplace can't take uncertified sick days. Doc gave him cert which lasted for a few days. Day 2 of the cert he felt better and well able to go back to work but he didn't. I mean, why would you go to the doctor and hand them €50, only to go back to work on day 2? His view is that the employers have a stupid system where you can't take any uncertified sick days so if they make you go to the doctor for a cert and you recover more quickly, well feck them anyway. Good or bad?

that's pretty dumb.. can't believe your friend can't take any uncertified leave.

where i work, it's only when i take a 3rd day that i need a cert.

Suaimhneach

The system is wrong. If there was a more honest policy there'd be a lot less sick notes and days etc. Shame really.

Captain-America

I didn't do my Irish homework so I'm taking a sick day tomorrow

bobcar61

Deleted User wrote: »

that's pretty dumb.. can't believe your friend can't take any uncertified leave.

where i work, it's only when i take a 3rd day that i need a cert.

It's the same where I work,I thought it was the same in most places actually.

mikemac

Deleted User wrote: »

where i work, it's only when i take a 3rd day that i need a cert.

Same here and it isn't abused at all

mikemac

mikemac wrote: »

Same here and it isn't abused at all

same, it only feks me over if i take a day off.. like having paddys day of was a disaster.

L1011

If I feel OK on a sick cert, I'm not allowed back in to work officially - insurance reasons perversely. Even if it was for something clearly not caused by work or capable of being flared up by it (food poisoning, chest infection being two I've had).

can take 10 days a year uncertified. Only had one so far this year.

MYOB

MYOB wrote: »

If I feel OK on a sick cert, I'm not allowed back in to work officially .

that's the same where i work too..

Gummy Panda

MYOB wrote: »

If I feel OK on a sick cert, I'm not allowed back in to work officially - insurance reasons perversely.

Yep, same here. I have to get another doctors cert i'm fit for work if i want to go back early.

Daroxtar

I spent 13 years working on building sites and never used sick certs as the bosses didn't pay sickpay. If you missed time your wages were down. Only in cases of serious illness would they be used and even then you had to claim from social welfare. TBH, I think that unless your illness is caused by your work then you should not get sick pay. Too much abuse of the system. Why should you get paid for lying in bed with a hangover?

AlmightyCushion

Daroxtar wrote: »

I spent 13 years working on building sites and never used sick certs as the bosses didn't pay sickpay. If you missed time your wages were down. Only in cases of serious illness would they be used and even then you had to claim from social welfare. TBH, I think that unless your illness is caused by your work then you should not get sick pay. Too much abuse of the system. Why should you get paid for lying in bed with a hangover?

It's not meant for people who are hungover and decide to stay in bed. Unfortunately a lot of people use it that way.

Senna

Being given an allocation of sick days in the year is ridiculous, then they wonder why so many call in sick. Seen in the paper today that after a huge clampdown on his in the HSE, it made feck all difference. If they weren't paid for it, there would be a drop in sick days.

In my job its simple, you either take it as a days holidays or you dont get paid.

Daroxtar

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It's not meant for people who are hungover and decide to stay in bed. Unfortunately a lot of people use it that way.

I know its not meant for it but its used for it. like cleaning ear wax with a key.

xOxSinéadxOx

I too believe you shouldn't get paid when you're sick, I also believe you shouldn't get paid when you're on maternity leave. yes that's very controversial...

L1011

Senna wrote: »

In my job its simple, you either take it as a days holidays or you dont get paid.

I'm nearly sure its actually illegal to even offer that as an option... basically holiday time is holiday time; protected in law and not designed to be used to cover illnesses.

Senna

MYOB wrote: »

I'm nearly sure its actually illegal to even offer that as an option... basically holiday time is holiday time; protected in law and not designed to be used to cover illnesses.

really?? that the way it been in a few of my jobs. I'd have to actually inform the accountant that i did not want paid as she usually just puts it down as a holiday day. But i prefer to take it as a holiday anyway, rather than losing a days pay.

Slunk

Same in my job. Only on the 3rd day I need a cert. Normally get paid for the odd sick day, its at the discretion of my supervisor. Back to work and fill in a form. If he is satisfied with what I say it either gets ticked paid or unpaid. So long as I dont take the piss i get paid. If anyone is seen to be abusing the system they jus never get paid. I think its a good system

Daroxtar

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

I too believe you shouldn't get paid when you're sick, I also believe you shouldn't get paid when you're on maternity leave. yes that's very controversial...

Jeez, dunno about that one. You're after making a future taxpayer. Surely you should get a bit of a break for that?

5starpool

I don't need to be certified for sick leave until my 5th day off, but I understood 3rd day to be the norm. I acutally was out for 2 days a few weeks ago for the first time in more than 2 years. I keep meaning to take a sickie here and there, but I haven't taken one is lots of years. Must be my inner programming kicking in despite my real stay in bed wishes

Mossy Monk

If I am certed to be out then I am not allowed at work. I have been sent home because of this in the past. Strange but that's the rules.

themadchef

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

I too believe you shouldn't get paid when you're sick, I also believe you shouldn't get paid when you're on maternity leave. yes that's very controversial...

Can you explain why you believe someone should not get maternity benefit?

OK so, you're in a great job and you get pregnant. When you leave to have the baby and nurse the baby you feel the government you paid your PRSI and tax to for all these years should tell ya to feck off. No money for you. Feed it on thin air. I suppose you think they should give up the job or their job should be gone when they decide they are tired playing house.

Just dying to hear WHY the mothers of this country who work should not be entitled to maternity leave with benefit.

On topic, unless im physically sick (danger of contamination) then im there. If i do get a bug or whatever, i find my own cover.

Edit: Forgot to add, i do get paid for my sick days, no cert necessary. Last year i had a total of 1 sick day.

Snake Plisken

is there any law or guidance on this subject? I got bad dose of the flu last week and had to take 2 day off with a medical cert, got my payslip today and my two sick days have been taken off my holidays, I didn't ask my bosses to put them against my holidays, is this the case for most irish companies? I worked for an american mulitinational for years and never had anything like this

curts82

where I am its from day one! said one day I didn't go to the doc cause it was a 24 hour bug so had to take a holiday for it!

Terry

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It's not meant for people who are hungover and decide to stay in bed. Unfortunately a lot of people use it that way.

Yep. Site workers.
I've done it myself.
My local is packed every Sunday. It seems to be the only pub in the town doing business and about half of the people there are site workers or self employed tradesmen.

Nothing beats a Sunday session. It's like going back to the days of ditch drinking in that you know you'll get in trouble for it.

Office work is fine. You can fake it. You can't fake being in bits on a site though. Come lunch time you are just too ****ed to do anything. Unless you're one of the hardcore alcos who seem to be able to get hammered every night and still work the next day.

ejmaztec

I used to work for a firm that paid sick-pay - until they started getting an epidemic every monday. They cured this disease by pulling the plug on the sick-pay.

My name is URL

The only thing sicker than sick days is the beaurocracy behind them

Joey the lips

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

I too believe you shouldn't get paid when you're sick, I also believe you shouldn't get paid when you're on maternity leave. yes that's very controversial...

Good girl sinead..... Your comments just set womens lib back a few decades.

I once had an employer who always insisted on the same so once I was sick and I went to the doctor. He gave me week and a half off. My boss rang me on the thurs 4 days into it asking me for advice. He finished up by saying " You sound a lot better" I misunderstood and said I would have been back yesterday if you had not been insisting on certs. What could the muppet say " Thats company policy" it turns out

Darragh29

Firetrap wrote: »

Last week, a friend of mine got what turned out to be a 24 hour bug and ended up having to go to the doctor because staff in his workplace can't take uncertified sick days. Doc gave him cert which lasted for a few days. Day 2 of the cert he felt better and well able to go back to work but he didn't. I mean, why would you go to the doctor and hand them €50, only to go back to work on day 2? His view is that the employers have a stupid system where you can't take any uncertified sick days so if they make you go to the doctor for a cert and you recover more quickly, well feck them anyway. Good or bad?

I've a mate who works in a place with the same set up. You can take as many uncertified sick days as you want, or certified sick days, but you just won't be getting paid for them.

Blazer

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

I too believe you shouldn't get paid when you're sick, I also believe you shouldn't get paid when you're on maternity leave. yes that's very controversial...

wait till your up the duff Sinead
we'll see what you say then

biddy21

i work in a school and what hours u work are what hours u get paid for, no sick pay whatsoever!

Joey the lips

biddy21 wrote: »

i work in a school and what hours u work are what hours u get paid for, no sick pay whatsoever!

Same with most jobs now biddy but what I dont get with these shagggers is they expect you to pay 50 euro in the doctor and they dont pay you to be off