Caught Speeding with Foreign Licence - what happens?

gok

Just curious what happens here, got caught speeding today on the Cherrywood sliproad off the M50 (86kph in 60 kph zone).
I passed the Garda my German drivers licence and he asked me my address. I provided him with my Irish address (same one as the one my car was registered to).

THe Garda said I'd be getting 2 penalty points and an €80 fine.
I understood that I'd only get the points if I changed my licence over to an Irish one (doesn't seem much point in doing that now).

My questions:- When my insurance company ask if I have any points, can I still say no? - I only have virtual points right and as far as Germany is concerned, I have none..

Any suggestions in how I can get out of the fine? - probably too late now - but I was in shock to see him almost jump out on top of me to think of something apt at that moment.

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gok

Random

You were speeding. You got done for it. Who's gonna help you get out of the fine?

You've been lucky enough with not getting the 2 points as it is.

You will have to pay the fine.

Do you have points on your license? No. I would tell the insurance company the same thing.*


*If in doubt you are advised to declare it to your insurance company anyway and let them decide.

L1011

You'll get the fine, and the points will be applied to your "shadow licence", at least thats what they say happens. In theory if you swapped to an Irish licence you'd get them

You don't need to tell your insurers that you've got any - as, well, you don't.

I'd just pay the fine, "getting out" of a fine these days requires either lying to a judge or finding a technicality, neither of which is worth 80 quid and in your case, zero points.

L-M

You were speeding, so you won't get out of the fine. As for the points, I don't know tbh.

Juwwi

your not gona be able to get out of the fine..

peasant

It is envisaged that at some date in the future there will be an inter-EU points system, where points "collected" in any country can be applied to any licence.

That's what they're keeping those "shadow points" for.

So, at the moment you can't get any points on your licence, but you may find yourself 3-5-x years down the line getting hit by all your accumulated "shadow points" (and all of a sudden without a licence at all if you have more than 12) as they don't expire while they're just in the "shadow system".

dbyrne

they couldnt build them up like that, previous points before any law is inacted, i thought penalty points only had a 2 year life and then were gone, if 3 - 5 years down the line i might as well start getting the bus, so will all the uk and northerners that come down here and everyone from ireland that has gone to the uk or europe. pay the fine the minute it comes in the door and you hopefully will never hear the dreaded points word again.

peasant

dbyrne wrote: »

they couldnt build them up like that, previous points before any law is inacted...

Well, I don't know for certain what is going to happen either, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did just that....or tried it on, at least.

Fishtits

Interesting scenario.

I think you'll have to pay the fine. The points issue is a grey area, any future pan EU agreement cannot be retrospective in Ireland, so it will not collect "shadow points"(whatever they are)

Pay your fine & move on IMHO.

Seth Brundle

dbyrne wrote: »

they couldnt build them up like that, previous points before any law is inacted, i thought penalty points only had a 2 year life and then were gone, if 3 - 5 years down the line i might as well start getting the bus, so will all the uk and northerners that come down here and everyone from ireland that has gone to the uk or europe. pay the fine the minute it comes in the door and you hopefully will never hear the dreaded points word again.

FYI points last for 3 years.
Anyhow, I would presume that they will apply points onto a licence once pan European licences come through. It will then take a high court action to change this! Remember that this is Ireland!

Kristopherus

kbannon wrote: »

FYI points last for 3 years.
Anyhow, I would presume that they will apply points onto a licence once pan European licences come through. It will then take a high court action to change this! Remember that this is Ireland!

Indeed :D:D

doolox

I got done for speeding on the widest 60kph zone in Ireland, the Lucan N4 bypass on my way to the first of my fathers episodes of illness a week before he died.
Done for €80.00 and 2 points, now long gone.
Told the insurance at renewal time and the treshold is 4 points so no effect on my premium.
That road is only a revenue collector for the Gardai and I do see them taking photographs at regular intervals at Woodies and at Chapelizod because they know there are plenty of victims to pay up and keep them in pensions at 55.

Esel

doolox wrote: »

....because they know there are plenty of victims to pay up and keep them in pensions at 55.

Just to adjust that chip on your shoulder - Gardaí can retire on full pension after 30 years service, so someone who joined at 18 could retire at 48. In the Defence Forces, full pension after 21 years, so join at 17, retire at 38.

Seth Brundle

politicians can retire after a number of months in term - or they can stay on on full pension whilst drawing a full salary. However, salaries whether garda, TD or soldier, have pretty much nothing to do with collecting speeding fines

Whitewater-AGS

doolox wrote: »

I got done for speeding on the widest 60kph zone in Ireland, the Lucan N4 bypass on my way to the first of my fathers episodes of illness a week before he died.
Done for €80.00 and 2 points, now long gone.
Told the insurance at renewal time and the treshold is 4 points so no effect on my premium.
That road is only a revenue collector for the Gardai and I do see them taking photographs at regular intervals at Woodies and at Chapelizod because they know there are plenty of victims to pay up and keep them in pensions at 55.

What sort of bs is this, If people dont speed there would be no speeding tickets simple as!

peasant

peasant wrote: »

It is envisaged that at some date in the future there will be an inter-EU points system, where points "collected" in any country can be applied to any licence.

That's what they're keeping those "shadow points" for.

So, at the moment you can't get any points on your licence, but you may find yourself 3-5-x years down the line getting hit by all your accumulated "shadow points" (and all of a sudden without a licence at all if you have more than 12) as they don't expire while they're just in the "shadow system".

The question is does the shadow license even exist. Has it ever been mentioned from an official source? Sure they can just about keep track of points on Irish licenses I couldn't imagine they would keep track of Shadow points.

If they do keep shadow points I don't think they could legally apply them in retrospect it would be totally unfair to lump them all on at the sametime when most would have past the 3 years etc.

In any case I would imagine its a long long way down the line at the moment having a European points system as it would be complicated to implement and the powers that be have bigger worries at the moment.

doolox

A speed limit of 60kph on that stretch does not make sense.
There are plenty of roads arund the country with general speed limits which you couldn't do 50 kph in not mind 100.
The cops take the widest road in Dublin with the most traffic and put the second lowest speed limit on it, for what?
The only thing that comes to mind is revenue.
People with cars here are too scared of the cops to fight the system and they know it.
I see cyclists here going through red lights without being stopped, pedestrians will just walk out in front of you without a blind bit of notice. They have no licence to lose and many have no money so the cops can't touch them.
But they know the motorist has a licence he can lose and has money so they shake him down each chance they get.
When they get the chance I have seen cars doing 80-100 kph along the quays in inner city Dublin and they are no stopped which is more dangerous?
They stop at Chapelisod and Lucan for the money.

albert-bundy

ok do you actually know why we have speed limits

_Kaiser_

Can we try and have one thread where it doesn't descend into a row between the "speed doesn't kill, inappropriate speed kills" brigade (my view as well incidentially), and the "speeding is ALWAYS wrong regardless" lot. :rolleyes:

On the original point (no pun intended), surely the notice the OP gets will be the standard one that says €80 fine and 2 points. When he subsequently pays the fine, he'll get the confirmation that he did so and the dates from which the points will be applied and valid till (this being Ireland I'm assuming they'll send out the same generic letter they send Irish license holders?)

Therefore, if an EU-wide system was brought in after these points would have expired, surely he could just produce that letter and challenge it if they were applied to his German license at that stage.

Course I could be all wrong , but seems simple to me...

Thoie

doolox wrote: »

A speed limit of 60kph on that stretch does not make sense.

Out of curiosity, why doesn't a 60kph limit make sense there? You've got a set of traffic lights at the top of the off ramp followed by a busy roundabout 500m later. During the day once you exit off the roundabout you're into areas with a lot of pedestrians and bus stops.

mick.fr

I got done on French license too.

Took 2 points and 80 fee. I paid the fee and I also received a letter stating my 2 points are saved in separate database for history purposes for 2-3 years don't remember. So if I commit any other offense within the timeframe I could go to court etc. Fair enough.

Leasson learned that's it.

If I had been in France with the same offense I would have taken 3-4 points, probably over 150 euro to pay and possibly court appearance with even more consequences, I was like 40K/h over the limit.

-Chris-

gok wrote: »

Just curious what happens here, got caught speeding today on the Cherrywood sliproad off the M50 (86kph in 60 kph zone)

Totally OT, but do you mind if I ask how you were caught OP?

I use that slip road everyday, and while I don't speed (excessively) I don't fancy being caught for speeding. Getting down from 120kmph on the motorway to an immediate 60kmph on the sliproad means I'm either braking really hard or considerably above the speedlimit for a short period while my car loses speed.

Were you followed up the sliproad by a Traffic Corps car or was it unmarked? I presume that stretch of road is too short for a Garda to be at the top of it with a speedgun.

Whitewater-AGS

doolox wrote: »

A speed limit of 60kph on that stretch does not make sense.
There are plenty of roads arund the country with general speed limits which you couldn't do 50 kph in not mind 100.
The cops take the widest road in Dublin with the most traffic and put the second lowest speed limit on it, for what?
The only thing that comes to mind is revenue.
People with cars here are too scared of the cops to fight the system and they know it.
I see cyclists here going through red lights without being stopped, pedestrians will just walk out in front of you without a blind bit of notice. They have no licence to lose and many have no money so the cops can't touch them.
But they know the motorist has a licence he can lose and has money so they shake him down each chance they get.
When they get the chance I have seen cars doing 80-100 kph along the quays in inner city Dublin and they are no stopped which is more dangerous?
They stop at Chapelisod and Lucan for the money.

Just to tear your points apart.
Gardai dont set speed limits!
Plenty of people fight road traffic offences in court, drink driving being one of the most highky contested cases of all!
Cyclists do get done for breaking reds.
People do get caught speeding on the quays.
And finally the location of checkpoints are not choosen for "money" thats just you being crazy

Eric Cartman

Whitewater-AGS wrote: »

What sort of bs is this, If people dont speed there would be no speeding tickets simple as!

if the m50 limit was 160 and the n/m4 limit was 120 i wouldnt have/want to speed

Thoie

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if the m50 limit was 160 and the n/m4 limit was 120 i wouldnt have/want to speed

Precisely. And if they just made the M50 a 300kph limit I wouldn't be able to speed. Feck them anyway.

Whitewater-AGS

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if the m50 limit was 160 and the n/m4 limit was 120 i wouldnt have/want to speed

Ha yeah you have to speed, i'll always have work with people like you about:D

gok

AudiChris wrote: »

Totally OT, but do you mind if I ask how you were caught OP?

I use that slip road everyday, and while I don't speed (excessively) I don't fancy being caught for speeding. Getting down from 120kmph on the motorway to an immediate 60kmph on the sliproad means I'm either braking really hard or considerably above the speedlimit for a short period while my car loses speed.

Were you followed up the sliproad by a Traffic Corps car or was it unmarked? I presume that stretch of road is too short for a Garda to be at the top of it with a speedgun.

It was a sunny Sunday afternoon - 2 Gardai, one working a tripod (speed detector + camera?) and the other doing the hauling in of the offenders from the fast lane.
They had an unmarked silver car parked nearby. They were parked on the dual-carraigeway (after the motorway traffic lights) kind of tucked in a bit :mad:
btw, I have also seen speedchecks up near the Loughlinstown roundabout hidden behind the bus-stop - thats a 60kph area too but most people tend to touch around 80 or 90 there too.

Thoie

gok wrote: »

They were parked on the dual-carraigeway (after the motorway traffic lights)

Is that bit actually dual carriageway? I always thought it was lanes for the roundabout on one side, and lanes for the different filters on the other. Ooops. In that case, apologies to anyone I may have ever held up while I pootled along in the overtaking lane there. I now officially have to hate me for being an overtaking lane hogger.

Dartz

Whitewater-AGS wrote: »

What sort of bs is this, If people dont speed there would be no speeding tickets simple as!

If the powers that be set speed limits that made sense, rather than 'for the sake of road safety' or whatever cloak they have for their revenue generating schemes. The 50kph zone outside Chapelizod is wide enough to be a Dual Carriageway, but with such a stupidly low speed limit. It engenders a disrespect for the limit where it might actually be sensible....

Also, the idea that if you don't speed, you dont have to worry about being punished. It dounds to me as little more than an extension of the following.

Compulsory fingerprinting? Only the guilty need to worry. Only the guilty will leave fingerprints at a crimescene.

Compulsory tracking ID cards? Only the guilty need to worry.

Mandatory DNA sampling? Mass surveilance and CCTV?

Vehicle GPS tracking matched to national roadmaps. No need to ever photgraph the car. You have the data showing it was on this road at such and such a speed, and such and such a date. You can track any and all cars in the country, if you'd like.

The idea that only the guilty need worry about any form of surveillance.... it's a dangerous idea...

Thoie

Dartz wrote: »

If the powers that be set speed limits that made sense, rather than 'for the sake of road safety' or whatever cloak they have for their revenue generating schemes. The 50kph zone outside Chapelizod is wide enough to be a Dual Carriageway, but with such a stupidly low speed limit. It engenders a disrespect for the limit where it might actually be sensible....

Have you discussed this with the planners at your local county council? With your elected county council officials? Do all your friends and neighbours agree? Have you all spoken to the right people? What was their response?

-Chris-

Thoie wrote: »

Have you discussed this with the planners at your local county council? With your elected county council officials? Do all your friends and neighbours agree? Have you all spoken to the right people? What was their response?

+1

There's no point in giving out to Gardai for catching people speeding in stupidly low speed limit areas - the Gardai aren't law makers, merely law enforcers.
If the legislators decided that every road had a limit of 300KMPH, then the Gardai would be powerless to stop anyone for speeding. If the legislators decide that every road had a limit of 30KMPH the Gardai (using their discretion) would have to do everyone for going 50KMPH.

I don't agree with a lot of the speed limits that are around, but I'd never give a Garda flack for enforcing a law that I've chosen to break.

If you're going to get worked up about unfair speed limits, you may as well make sure you're complaining about the right people.

Whitewater-AGS

Dartz wrote: »

If the powers that be set speed limits that made sense, rather than 'for the sake of road safety' or whatever cloak they have for their revenue generating schemes. The 50kph zone outside Chapelizod is wide enough to be a Dual Carriageway, but with such a stupidly low speed limit. It engenders a disrespect for the limit where it might actually be sensible....

Also, the idea that if you don't speed, you dont have to worry about being punished. It dounds to me as little more than an extension of the following.

Compulsory fingerprinting? Only the guilty need to worry. Only the guilty will leave fingerprints at a crimescene.

Compulsory tracking ID cards? Only the guilty need to worry.

Mandatory DNA sampling? Mass surveilance and CCTV?

Vehicle GPS tracking matched to national roadmaps. No need to ever photgraph the car. You have the data showing it was on this road at such and such a speed, and such and such a date. You can track any and all cars in the country, if you'd like.

The idea that only the guilty need worry about any form of surveillance.... it's a dangerous idea...

Hmmmmm have you considered wearing a tinfoil hat oh and you better get rid of your mobile phone case the gardai can track that too. but what has any of this got to do with speeding!

Thoie

For those who care, there was a squad car along that spot again today. Didn't see anyone out of the car with a speed gun, but that's not to say they didn't have one.

Looking at the road markings around there I'm now a bit confused. Can anyone (AudiChris - you said you drive it) say if it's actually a dual carriageway? It looks likes lanes for various turnings to me.

Dartz

AudiChris wrote: »

+1
If you're going to get worked up about unfair speed limits, you may as well make sure you're complaining about the right people.

Which will change ****-all. They won't let go of a nice money spinner. All you'd get back is a photocopy saying Dear Sir/Madam thank you for your bull****. We really don't care. **** off and vote for us anyway.

Especially since the Holy Byrne himself hath decreed that if we all drove around at speed limit nobody would ever die....

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Now if you'll excuse me... I have to buy some copper mesh. And since you asked, no, I don't carry a mobile phone unless I know I'm going to need it. They're a pain in the hole.

galwaytt

OP - you are still liable for the fine, so pay it.

The points, well, no. You have a German licence. It has no points on it. A 'virtual' or 'shadow' licence held in the ether, somewhere is irrelevant. They cannot apply points to a non-Irish licence, and, when the time comes (and it will........), it can't be retrospective. Now, points are 'valid' for 3 years. If you can anyone in the EU to do, anything, inside 3 years, I'll eat my hat.

So, for now, you're in the clear, points-wise.

Remember it was posted recently HERE in a similar situation.

Skopzz

gok wrote: »

Just curious what happens here, got caught speeding today on the Cherrywood sliproad off the M50 (86kph in 60 kph zone).
I passed the Garda my German drivers licence and he asked me my address. I provided him with my Irish address (same one as the one my car was registered to).

THe Garda said I'd be getting 2 penalty points and an €80 fine.
I understood that I'd only get the points if I changed my licence over to an Irish one (doesn't seem much point in doing that now).

My questions:- When my insurance company ask if I have any points, can I still say no? - I only have virtual points right and as far as Germany is concerned, I have none..

Any suggestions in how I can get out of the fine? - probably too late now - but I was in shock to see him almost jump out on top of me to think of something apt at that moment.

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gok

The Gard has no idea what he's talking about. That Gard is factually incorrect by saying you will get 2 points on your licence.

You definitely cannot get any penalty points with a foreign driving licence.

With regards to the insurance, you wont be affected because you will still have no penalty points. Just say 'no' when they ask. Don't mention anything about this encounter otherwise they might quote you differently based on their discretion.

mick.fr

Skopzz wrote: »

The Gard has no idea what he's talking about. That Gard is factually incorrect by saying you will get 2 points on your licence.

You definitely cannot get any penalty points with a foreign driving licence.

With regards to the insurance, you wont be affected because you will still have no penalty points. Just say 'no' when they ask. Don't mention anything about this encounter otherwise they might quote you differently based on their discretion.

It has been discussed many many times here...

Physically your license is not affected alright, but the Irish police keeps a log of the points removed from your foreign license exactly as if you were the holder of an Irish license. If you exced the quota you could get in court and taken of the road.

So the ending of the story is that as a holder of a foreign license, you obey the same laws and will be dealt the same way if you mess up. The way your points are stored in different, that's all.

So for instance you are removed 2 points if the Gard say so.

Esel

Skopzz wrote: »

With regards to the insurance, you wont be affected because you will still have no penalty points. Just say 'no' when they ask. Don't mention anything about this encounter otherwise they might quote you differently based on their discretion.

You then run the risk of giving your insurance company the ability to repudiate any claim you might have.

The_Joker

gok wrote: »

Just curious what happens here, got caught speeding today on the Cherrywood sliproad off the M50 (86kph in 60 kph zone).

26km over the limit eh.

Just for the craic you should've asked the Garda for a calibration cert, just to be sure his gun was reading correctly.
No cert, go to court get off with the whole kit and caboodle

Seth Brundle

The_Joker wrote: »

26km over the limit eh.

Just for the craic you should've asked the Garda for a calibration cert, just to be sure his gun was reading correctly.
No cert, go to court get off with the whole kit and caboodle

The speed guns are protected from being flawed under legislation so by asking for a cert, you are just trying to piss off the garda!

Whitewater-AGS

The_Joker wrote: »

26km over the limit eh.

Just for the craic you should've asked the Garda for a calibration cert, just to be sure his gun was reading correctly.
No cert, go to court get off with the whole kit and caboodle

Ha yeah that would have been a waste of your breath!

Bearcat

yeah, the boys are on the M50 last night. Hiding in the new paved surface southbound abeam the knocklyon exit. Astra silver, blue lights in radiator.

Still find it hard to go to jacks after being done over the old ton a few years ago on the M50 at friggin 6am. Mea culpa, by god did they go to town on me and deservedly.

They are out this weekend big time.

conlonbmw

The Garda will not issue points when you show your foreign license. He will notify you of the charge and then in a few weeks the summons will appear. Do not bother paying the fine and just turn up to court, 9/10 times the garda won't have bothered enforcing the warrant and the case get thrown out.

The boys in blue were on the Bray M50 into Dun Laoghaire slip, hiding behind a white Hiace van.

Skopzz

mick.fr wrote: »

It has been discussed many many times here...

Physically your license is not affected alright, but the Irish police keeps a log of the points removed from your foreign license exactly as if you were the holder of an Irish license. If you exced the quota you could get in court and taken of the road.

So the ending of the story is that as a holder of a foreign license, you obey the same laws and will be dealt the same way if you mess up. The way your points are stored in different, that's all.

So for instance you are removed 2 points if the Gard say so.

Fair enough, but just want to mention something.

I hold a French drivers licence and got caught 8 times over a 5 year period for speeding and several other violations. Between that time, I never got brought to court even though I had over 12 points.

Simple fact is; they cannot take my foreign Licence off me because I frequently travel between both countries. If they did try, I would refuse to surrender it on the basis that I am returning to France. By that stage, I would have left the country. Personally, I dont want to switch back to my Irish drivers licence because the Insurance companies are making huge profits from drivers who have as low as 4 points. Especially Hibernian.

Skopzz

esel wrote: »

You then run the risk of giving your insurance company the ability to repudiate any claim you might have.

Legally, that does not stand up properly.

Points cannot be issued to an non-irish EU drivers licence. Therefore, one can assume they have no penalty points when the insurance company asks.

Unless you are properly notified (in writing) that points are held on your record in the same way as an Irish Drivers licence, you cannot assume that you have any penalty points. In the event that the Insurance company tries to repudiate the claim, this can be contested in court on that basis.

LightningBolt

Whitewater-AGS wrote: »

Just to tear your points apart.
Gardai dont set speed limits!
Plenty of people fight road traffic offences in court, drink driving being one of the most highky contested cases of all!
Cyclists do get done for breaking reds.
People do get caught speeding on the quays.
And finally the location of checkpoints are not choosen for "money" thats just you being crazy

Balls to that. Tell me why they have checkpoints on the M4 at Lexlip West then?

I agree with speed camera on roads where there is high death rates where speed is the main cause of death. To have cameras on any stretch of road that is wide, open and has no speed related accidents is just an excuse to make money in my opinion.

edit: just to add, I know the garda don't set speed limits. I only disagree with your last statement.

mcguiver

If you go too fast to see a guy wearing high vis pointing a speed gun at you... your going too fast! Likewise you wont be able to see that child/obstruction etc.

It boils down to a simple fact. That white piece of paper on your Irish licence with your signature on it. When you pass the test you are asked to sign to say you understand and agree to obey the rules of the road. If you dont agree, dont sign, dont drive, keep off our roads !!!



The immature stupid attitude of drivers in this country is ridiculous. It's no wonder there are so many road deaths.

Skopzz

gok wrote: »

Any suggestions in how I can get out of the fine? - probably too late now - but I was in shock to see him almost jump out on top of me to think of something apt at that moment.

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gok

In future, you could appeal a speeding ticket on the basis that the laser gun was not held at the correct angle. This is known as the "side slick" effect. This mainly happens in rain. Also, this could happen when your car has just come out of the car wash (its still wet).


A laser gun can also give the wrong speed reading if its held at a steep angle to the car. This could happen on a dry day. This can occur on sliproads because they can be quite curvy. You ask the Gard where exactly he was positioned on the sliproad/On-Ramp and find out the distance he caught you at. Write these down in front of the Guard. You can then measure this at a later stage and judge for yourself whether or not the gun was held at a steep angle.

Sliproads/On-Ramps are the most popular spots for Garda speed traps.

Whitewater-AGS

LightningBolt wrote: »

Balls to that. Tell me why they have checkpoints on the M4 at Lexlip West then?

I agree with speed camera on roads where there is high death rates where speed is the main cause of death. To have cameras on any stretch of road that is wide, open and has no speed related accidents is just an excuse to make money in my opinion.

edit: just to add, I know the garda don't set speed limits. I only disagree with your last statement.

I cant speak for everyone only myself and whats done in my division, but I have never set up a checkpoint to make money and have never been directed to do so either. I choose locations where there is a good streatch for me to target the cars with the gun, where my vehicle is protected or safe to and there is a safe location to stop the speeding vehicles, wide roads being good for this as i can just stop one lane of traffic and signal the driver i'm after to pull in.

Whitewater-AGS

Skopzz wrote: »

In future, you could appeal a speeding ticket on the basis that the laser gun was not held at the correct angle. This is known as the "side slick" effect. This mainly happens in rain. Also, this could happen when your car has just come out of the car wash (its still wet).


A laser gun can also give the wrong speed reading if its held at a steep angle to the car. This could happen on a dry day. This can occur on sliproads because they can be quite curvy. You ask the Gard where exactly he was positioned on the sliproad/On-Ramp and find out the distance he caught you at. Write these down in front of the Guard. You can then measure this at a later stage and judge for yourself whether or not the gun was held at a steep angle.

Sliproads/On-Ramps are the most popular spots for Garda speed traps.

Oh yeah keep these coming :pac:

TheNog

LightningBolt wrote: »

Balls to that. Tell me why they have checkpoints on the M4 at Lexlip West then?

I agree with speed camera on roads where there is high death rates where speed is the main cause of death. To have cameras on any stretch of road that is wide, open and has no speed related accidents is just an excuse to make money in my opinion.

edit: just to add, I know the garda don't set speed limits. I only disagree with your last statement.

Dont you mean the camera at Lucan on the N4?

AFAIK that stretch is not a mtorway, it stops just before the bend in the road before the camera.

I couldnt tell you if there are or were any collisions/injuries/deaths on that stretch of road but the very nature of the road being so wide with a good surface would be tempting for drivers to put the foot down. Also isnt there a cross-over to the hotel at the point of the camera?? There used to be but I dont know if its still there.

There is also a short on ramp just passed the camera where vehicles especially HGVs would not be able to gather that much speed before joining the DC. Not to mention the off ramp for Lucan village which is downhill instead of the usual incline of off ramps. Again a vehicle especially a HGV would have trouble stopping in the 200 or so metres at the bottom of the ramp.