MMA FIGHTERS WANTED for SHOWDOWN 2009

Showdown 2009

For Immediate Release

Contact:
085 1612139
Theshowdownevent2009@gmail.com
www.bebo.com/theshowdown

SHOWDOWN 2009

“Calling all MMA Fighters”


Galway will host the most exciting fighting event this summer in Salthill when One Shot Promotions present the first biannual MMA SHOWDOWN 2009, Mixed Martial Arts Event at LEISURELAND, GALWAY on June 13th & 14th (Sat & Sun).

SHOWDOWN promises to be Ireland’s most entertaining martial arts event ever, with over 80 fights, live music, full bar, special guest appearances, special guest challenge match, tote betting, a chance to see some of Irelands top fighters in action. Each day will have it’s own theme to it:
THE SHADOW is Day one, Irelands top Mixed Martial Artists
THE STORM is Day two, Irelands top Kickboxers

On the night 20 CELEBRITIES will take to the ring in the Showdown ROYAL RUMBLE with the winner earning over €2,000 for his charity.

All Mixed Martial Arts Fighters and Kickboxers over the age of 18 are invited to enter the Showdown with top prizes of €1000 & the Showdown championship belt. There will be all divisions in this extradionary event which is to gather fighters from Ireland, Spain, England and the United States.

SO Who will be the last man standing at this summers SHOWDOWN?

Tickets available at Zhivago, Shop St. Galway or by contacting the number below.
Competitors application forms available at Zhivago, Shop St. Galway or by emailing theshowdownevent2009@gmail.com
For more information see www.bebo.com/theshowdown or contact 085 1612139

Deadline for FIGHTER Applications May 28th.

FIGHTERS DO NOT HAVE TO BE PART OF A CLUB!!!!

The Guests:

At the show will be stars from up and coming movie "Blood, Sweat and Wars", former number 1 contender in the world Sean Mannion, Mike Tyson's forming sparring partner "Big" Joe Egan, English actor Danny Dyer, Francie "Southpaw" Barrett, Page 3 girl Claire Tully, top models from One Shot Agency, Douglas Abraham and his professional dancers will be the dancers for the night, among many many more to be confirmed. THESE PERFORMERS ARE ALL PROFESSIONAL.


We do promise that this will be a tournament not to forget and professional entertainment will be sponsored by Galway's One Shot Agency:

Dancers
Live Music
Jugglers
Tote Betting
Boxing Machine Fun
Models
Stand Up Comedians will perform at the half rime show on each day

Any questions do not hesitate to contact:

Alan Conway 085-1612139 (MMA)
Stephen Kenny 085-1649524 (Entertainment) One Shot Agency / One Shot Productions Ltd
Mark Dooley 087-2771115
Eanna O' Dowd 087-7575395
Ollie Keogh 086-8457349
Dennis Dalton

PLEASE NO TIME WASTERS! Thanks,

It will be up on its website in next few weeks so keep ye posted.

dunkamania

Some details please.

Who are you?
What have you done before?
Who will be officiating? etc

Showdown 2009

How are yea - do you have email and we can email you on info pack? Or just email us on TheShowdownEvent2009@Gmail.com so we can reply. Tnks

mark.leonard

As I have already posted on your Bebo page, I have serious safety concerns about this event that I would need answered before releasing my fighters for your show.
I am re-printing them here for clarity and because I am sure other posters have the same concerns.

my questions from Bebo wrote:

I run an existing MMA promotion in Galway (www.TribalWarfare.ie) and I have a couple questions about your MMA event.

Who is refereeing the MMA matches?
What MMA rulesets will the contests be fought under, your rules listed to the left look like a lift from Wikipedia, so I am interested to learn how you will match make?
Are you connected to an existing MMA Gym? If so, whom.
Do you expect MMA fighters to fight more than once on the same day?
If you are using a pro rule set is this realistic?

Unless all of these fighter safety concerns are addressed I wouldn't be able to release fighters form my gym, furthermore, any bookings for my fighters (and this is the case in most gyms) must be through me, a Bebo page is hardly sufficient for a manager to books his fighters.

Please contact me via email info [at] pointblankgym [dot] com or call me on 087 2037 926

I received a text saying someone would contact me but that was nearly a month ago and I have yet to receive a call.
If you can ease my safety concerns then I will wish you the best of luck, but as I know your experience lies with boxing promotion, and things like matchmaking and rule-sets are not as straightforward in MMA I want to be sure you understand the implications.

Showdown 2009

Hi Mark,

We tried to ring you last week - I am a film producer who will organize the entertainment etc and would only know a certain amount about the rules / safety etc but the MMA fighters that are also organizing it would be able to answer them no problem - Alan's number is at top of thread 085-1612139 or will get him or Dennis Dalton to ring you this week - officials will be at it etc but alan could answer your queries and I will phone him to give you a shout now. Hope Tribal Warfare was very successful.

Regards,

Stephen

Roper

Send me the info pack please baz.oglesby[at]gmail.com I'd have the same revervations as Mark mind you.

Showdown 2009

Hi Roper,

Will email you now.

Kind Regards,

If you wish to ring alan he'd be able to answer the safety rules etc. His mobile at top of page.

Stephen

mark.leonard

Just off the phone with Alan, he couldn't talk as he was heading to work so he is sending me an info pack as well. I will have a look through it and get back to you.

To be clear I am not in the least concerned with another MMA promotion setting up in Galway, I wish you the very best of luck.
BUT
If some serious injury happens on your event I will be tarred with the same brush and it will make all combat athletic promoters lives more difficult. This is why I am being such a stickler on the safety concerns.

Showdown 2009

Hi Mark,

No problem at all!!! you are dead right - I met the lads Paul Hickey in Skeff Sat night and said was very good (Tribal Warfare 4) and will check up website to see the fights - I met you in The Cellar with Rory before the Xmas - he worked with my mum Ann in Eye - they are good friends. Will leave alan answer them neway cause I wouldn't be up to scratch at all as much as ye. Talk soon,

Stephen

mark.leonard

I had a look at the information pack briefly there, a couple of things

• Fighters at A and B class get paid, they don't pay the tournament organiser
• I asked about the rule set you are using - the rule sets in your info pack are lifted verbatim from TribalWarfare.ie including this section in the Scoring section

Showdown Rules wrote:

The ten-point must system is in effect for all Tribal Warfare fights; three judges score each round and the winner of each receives ten points, the loser nine points or fewer. If the round is even, both fighters receive ten points.

cowzerp

mark.leonard wrote: »

I had a look at the information pack briefly there, a couple of things

• Fighters at A and B class get paid, they don't pay the tournament organiser
• I asked about the rule set you are using - the rule sets in your info pack are lifted verbatim from TribalWarfare.ie including this section in the Scoring section

you must be flattered!

are they suggesting that the pro fighters should pay to be on the bill??

PADRAIC.M

think it means A and B fighters don't have to pay but maybe other classes do?

cowzerp

PADRAIC.M wrote: »

think it means A and B fighters don't have to pay but maybe other classes do?

Yeah you could be right, so the amateur fights would be charged just like at the amateur leagues, i dont mind that as long as there not making money off ticket sales aswell, as the C class fighters will be bringing spectators too.

Martin Walker

None of our fighters will be taking part in this "event".

Tim_Murphy

Showdown Rules wrote:

The ten-point must system is in effect for all Tribal Warfare fights; three judges score each round and the winner of each receives ten points, the loser nine points or fewer. If the round is even, both fighters receive ten points.

Not a great sign really if you didn’t even bother reading the material you plagiarised.

Roper

PADRAIC.M wrote: »

think it means A and B fighters don't have to pay but maybe other classes do?

Nope it seems to suggest a €20 entrance fee for everyone. I wouldn't let my amateur fighters pay to fight if tickets were being sold. Amateurs should be fighting for free, but not paying.

Chris89

Showdown 2009 wrote: »

(1)THE SHADOW is Day one, Irelands top Mixed Martial Artists



(2)FIGHTERS DO NOT HAVE TO BE PART OF A CLUB!!!!


(3)

Dancers
Live Music
Jugglers
Tote Betting
Boxing Machine Fun
Models
Stand Up Comedians will perform at the half rime show on each day

(1) how do you know this is you havent got a card yet?

(2) why? youre willing to let people into a ring or cage that are not training to fight in one?

(3) sounds like galways answer to toys for big boys, not an mma show.

I wouldnt pay in to see that, although..... Danny Dyer??..... I could be swayed:rolleyes:

Roper

LOL@Danny Dyer being there. "This is Ahland's ARDEST festival! The local firm will come dahn you manah and beat you dahn! Thank you Galway, my cheque please"

Showdown 2009

"Fighters do not have to be in club"??

Does it say not being trained? No guys you could have left your club.

Danny Dyer? Good friend of mine and will be an attraction for Galway people as he will be making a cameo in a film I am producing being made in Galway which stars Francie Barrett and who are the team behind Showdown.

Not pay into a show like this? ah okay. Am sure many others will

MichaelDevlin

SHOWDOWN 2009
MIXED MARTIAL ARTS EVENT
& CELEBRITY ROYAL RUMBLE


PROVISIONAL
INFORMATION PACK









Event Details

Date: June 13 & 14 2009
Time: Doors Open 12pm Both Days
Venue: Leisureland, Galway

Venue Details

Address: Leisureland, Salthill, Galway
Phone: +353 91 521455
Website: www.leisureland.ie
Facilities: Restaurant, Shop, Changing facilities & Showers


Ticketing Information

Two Day Ticket €55.00
Ringside Seated Two Day Ticket €80.00
Family 2 Day Ticket (2 adults, 2 Children under 15) €100.00
VIP Ticket: 2 Days of Access to VIP Balcony Area & Ringside €120.00

Tickets available at Zhivago Shop St. Galway
Or by contacting theshowdownevent2009@gmail.com 085 1612139
Early Booking Advised


Entertainment Information

Music by iRadio DJ (TBC) & Galway Street Drummers
Tote Betting: Bet on the fights
Special Guest Appearances
Retail Market: Equipment, T-shirts, etc.
Fully Licensed Bar
Celebrity Royal Rumble: info below
After Party: Meet the Fighters, Umpires & Celebrities @ Busker Brownes, Cross St. Galway
14th June 8pm. Bar Till Late. Ticket stubs entitle entry

Celebrity Royal Rumble

Watch up to 20 local celebrities battle it out with oversized boxing gloves to win a prize of €1000 for a charity of their choice.

Competitor Information

Entry Fee: €20
Closing Date for Entries: June 5th 2009

Competitors must be over the age of 18
Standard MMA attire acceptable
Tournament Ring: Cage
Competitors may bring their own choice of entrance music on CD
Please do not send cash in post
Completed forms & cheques/bankers drafts to be sent to:


One Shot Promotions LTD
Corbally, Cummer,
Co. Galway

Prizes:

Day One ‘Shadow’ Runner Up €500
Winner €1000
Day Two ‘Storm’ Runner Up €500
Winner €1000

Overall Showdown Winner Showdown Champions Belt & 09 Title
Other Category Winners Medals
Celebrity Royal Rumble Prize €1000 for chosen charity

Rules based on points system, Highest points scorer on each day determined the winner.
Overall winner determined by overall highest points scorer.










Tournament Rules

1. Classes
There are four classes alowed at Showdown. Beginning fighters should start at D class working up through C and B with experience to the top level of A class There are many difference between the different classes and these are discussed below. Where it is not specified rules apply to all classes


2. Illegal Techniques
* Butting with the head.
* Eye gouging of any kind.
* Biting.
* Hair pulling.
* Fish hooking.
Groin attacks of any kind.
Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on a
opponent.
* Small joint manipulation.
* Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
* Striking downward using the point of the elbow. Directionally from 12 to 6 using clockface notation
* Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
* Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
* Grabbing the clavicle
* Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
* Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
* Stomping a grounded opponent.
* Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
* Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
* Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
* Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
* Spitting at an opponent.
* Engaging in unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
* Holding the ropes or the fence.
* Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
* Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
* Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
* Attacking an opponent after the bell (horn) has sounded the end of a round.
* Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
* Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
* Interference by the corner.


3. Ways to Win: You can win a match by:
* Forcing your opponent to submit (to tap-out), or to quit.
* The referee stopping the match or disqualifying your opponent.
* By knock-out or technical knock out.
* Judge's Decision


4. Weight Categories
* Bantamweight: Up to 135 lb (Up to 61 kg)
* Featherweight: 135 to 145 lb (61 to 66 kg)
* Lightweight: 145 to 155 lb (66 to 70 kg)
* Light Welterweight:155 to 161 lb (70 to 73kg)
* Welterweight: 162 to 170 lb (73 to 77 kg)
* Middleweight: 171 to 185 lb (77 to 84 kg)
* Super Middleweight: 185 to 192 lb (84 to 87 kg)
* Light Heavyweight: 186 to 205 lb (87 to 93 kg)
* Heavyweight: 206 to 265 lb (93 to 120 kg)


5. Scoring
The ten-point must system is in effect for all Tribal Warfare fights; three judges score each round and the winner of each receives ten points, the loser nine points or fewer. If the round is even, both fighters receive ten points.


6. Allowed Targets
Defending Fighter Position Punch Kick Knee Elbow
Standing Head A,B,C,D A,B,C A,B,C A
Body A,B,C,D A,B,C,D A,B,C,D A
Legs A,B,C,D A,B,C,D A,B,C,D A,B,C,D
Grounded Head A,B - - A
Body A,B,C,D A*,B* A,B,C,D A
Legs A,B,C,D A,B,C,D A,B,C,D A,B,C,D
*With attacking fighter standing, kicks in a crescent motion only e.g. Axe kick. Stomps are not allowed


7. Round Times
A Class - 3 five minute rounds
B Class - 3 four minute rounds
C Class - 3 three minute rounds
D Class - 2 three minute rounds


8. Gloves
A, B and C class all wear the usual 4oz MMA gloves. D Class uses the larger MMA gloves 6-8 oz. Gloves and hand wrapping must be checked by an official prior to entering the cage

MichaelDevlin

Dont know why this couldnt have been put up at the start

Showdown 2009

very true our bad

PADRAIC.M

Roper wrote: »

Nope it seems to suggest a 20 entrance fee for everyone. I wouldn't let my amateur fighters pay to fight if tickets were being sold. Amateurs should be fighting for free, but not paying.

Ouch, pay to fight, sounds counter-productive to me, maybe if the show had some experienced/respected known people from the irish mma scene behind it, it might get a better response here imo.

Showdown 2009

We are getting brilliant responses and we are only charging since our prizes are over 5,000E worth in cash and a belt worth 1,700E. Many tournaments charge an entry fee for its players. Some do not but we have very good prizes and VERY professional entertainment to go with the show. I do not think that 20E is alot by any means to enter a tournament if they have a love for the sport. We have had 90% good responses and have alot of entires and from celebrities so font mid me saying WE AINT DOING SO BAD If I had a passion for a sport / hobbie etc I would not be thinking bout the small fee but the day that would be in it. Not only will be a great tournament but a brilliant family day out that will also see three charities there collecting for a good causes while watching some fantastic fighting, dancing ,singing, acting..But that is just my opinion and each to their own!

Nothingcompares

Watch up to 20 local celebrities battle it out with oversized boxing gloves to win a prize of €1000 for a charity of their choice.

This is the most bizarre event I've ever heard of. I think the organisers are confusing professional MMA with semi-contact kickboxing tournaments. As I see it right now, the only people supporting this promotion must be people that don't know/care what MMA is.

I'm going to stay far away on this.

Fromvert

From what I can gather from this thread is that you are looking to organise an entertainment event which includes MMA fights. But from where im standing it looks that this promotion has no experience in holding MMA fights and the Irish MMA clubs/promoters have never heard of you before which means they are not going to send any of their fighters to compete in this competition. Do you blame them?
Your unknown, what health and safety procedures are in place, who will ref and judge the fights, what insurance do you have, amateur fighters have to pay to compete. A statement like this 'fighters do not have to be part of a club' allows for any random person who sees himself as a 'fighter' to state that they have trained in club x for x amount of time and they will be able to compete.

Im not involved with Irish MMA but I do attend the local shows and I cant blame the coaches for not recognising this event and they probably wont even mention this to their fighters. My two cents anyway.

cowzerp

I'm actually running an event the same day! fighters wont have to pay to fight as there will be ticket sales, now if the event was non ticket sales then i could understand the money has to come from somewhere. ............. I've already got a doctor, insurance,premises and most the fights are confirmed, still some to go. It will be semi pro mainly with a couple of pro to finish the night off. Next step is getting my refs sorted, any questions just pm me! Ps. Back on topic, I would not let my fighters fight on a show that was been run by non mma people, this has trouble written all over it, the promoter does not have to be a fighter but you expect them to be affiliated to a club or something. i'm writing off phone so excuse the lack of paragraphs!

dunkamania

What legal requirements are there, if any, to be allowed to hold an event that has tote betting?

AFAIK, the UFC in the O2 was the only mma event in Ireland that had betting on it.

I am not saying that athlethes paying €20 to compete, would be inclined to lose intentionally to collect on bets that they had made on the other fighter............actually, thats kinda what I am saying.

Also, the not being part of a club thing is a huge mistake imo, and says alot about how this show is being run. I dont know any active fighters who are not affiliated with any club. MMA is a very high skill level sport, having "hard men" with no training compete is downright dangerous.

Also, I may have missed it but have the judges and referees being named yet?

Roper

I'll be at cowzer's show. So should YOU!

Showdown 2009

Judges and Officials will and confirmed at a meeting on April 7th so will put it up on the Thread.

Also, we are hosting Francie Barrett's NO MERCY in Galway on April 18th.

Professional boxing with Coley Barrett as the main bill.

Danny Reynolds (English Champ) also on the card.

Doors open 6:30pm.

In association with myself, Francie and well known English boxing promoter Keith Walker. Tickets in Zhivago, Shop Street, Galway.

Be one hell of a night. Keep an eye out on Francie's interview with Tom Humphries on the Irish times about it.

cowzerp

Who of significance to the mma community will be at the meeting? Also who in the mma community is part of the whole venture?

mark.leonard

Showdown 2009 wrote: »

Judges and Officials will and confirmed at a meeting on April 7th so will put it up on the Thread.

Who is invited to the meeting that knows anything about MMA?

Showdown wrote:

Also, we are hosting Francie Barrett's NO MERCY in Galway on April 18th.

Professional boxing with Coley Barrett as the main bill.

Danny Reynolds (English Champ) also on the card.

Doors open 6:30pm.

In association with myself, Francie and well known English boxing promoter Keith Walker. Tickets in Zhivago, Shop Street, Galway.

Be one hell of a night. Keep an eye out on Francie's interview with Tom Humphries on the Irish times about it.

Is that the same night as Ken Horan's "Revenge" show? On in the Kingfisher Galway?

Fall_Guy

MichaelDevlin wrote: »

5. Scoring
The ten-point must system is in effect for all Tribal Warfare fights; three judges score each round and the winner of each receives ten points, the loser nine points or fewer. If the round is even, both fighters receive ten points.

Quality, even after attention was drawn to the blatant plagiarism there was no attempt to ammend it!

Showdown 2009

Yeah, same nite as Ken's show -

4 lads from MMA will be there as will three professionals from the UK who are stars in BSW film - one is in the up and coming movie Sherlock Holmes fighting Robert Downey Junior. I will put up there names once they give the okay but if you wish to ring alan he can tell you but we are not putting names up on a bulletin board till they gives us the okay - ASLO lads we are putting on a show okay and seems few bitter / envy lads out there already slatting it please get over it and keep your narrow minded opinions to yourself cause it is just laughable - to those who got the info pack we did say it was PROVISIONAL and changes would be made - this is only the start and over the next week or two so if you are not interested that IS FINE but do not start to slat something you have no clue about!!!!! Some of ye are on this 24 / 7 and when show like this comes up ye go to hell on it!!

YES we will be putting on a MMA tournament and some are wondering about the entertainment at it WELL as a professional film producer / director /. agent and promoter I will be putting on a VERY GOOD entertainment show for those who come to the event which I would want to see if I paid for anything over 25E to see.

Thanks.

Kent Brockman

The guys asking the questions here have many years experience in MMA, both coaching and competing themselves. The questions are being asked because of their concern for their fighters' safety not out of jealousy or envy:rolleyes: as you suggest.

It appears that you may be the one who hasn't a clue about the safety and risks involved in MMA fighting.

No one is questioning your ability to promote an entertainment show with Music/dancing/ jugglers and celebrity royal rumbles-- but it is highly unlikely that anyone will get hurt doing the above.

As far as I can see you might as well have a 'Strong-Man' in a boxing ring taking on all comers for a grand prize!

You certainly wouldn't confuse concern for jealousy if you knew the people asking the questions and if any of your team fully understood what is involved in an MMA tournament.

Personally I think MMA events should be exclusive to MMA, run by MMA people and attended by MMA fans(and call me a fuddy-duddy but are not really a 'family-day-out' due to violence and the odd bit of blood and are not everyones cup of tea).

Just my two cents. Best of luck either way.

Raze_them_all

Showdown 2009 wrote: »

Yeah, same nite as Ken's show -

4 lads from MMA will be there as will three professionals from the UK who are stars in BSW film - one is in the up and coming movie Sherlock Holmes fighting Robert Downey Junior. I will put up there names once they give the okay but if you wish to ring alan he can tell you but we are not putting names up on a bulletin board till they gives us the okay - ASLO lads we are putting on a show okay and seems few bitter / envy lads out there already slatting it please get over it and keep your narrow minded opinions to yourself cause it is just laughable - to those who got the info pack we did say it was PROVISIONAL and changes would be made - this is only the start and over the next week or two so if you are not interested that IS FINE but do not start to slat something you have no clue about!!!!! Some of ye are on this 24 / 7 and when show like this comes up ye go to hell on it!!

YES we will be putting on a MMA tournament and some are wondering about the entertainment at it WELL as a professional film producer / director /. agent and promoter I will be putting on a VERY GOOD entertainment show for those who come to the event which I would want to see if I paid for anything over 25E to see.

Thanks.

I don't think any of the promoters are envious bitter, I would say they are worried about fighter safety and how mma will be percieved by the public, Alot of the posters on here are the people leading the way in getting mma out there, John Kavangh, Mark Leonard, Marty Walker etc all have gyms, have thrown shows and have probably have gone through alot of crap to throw there very first show and are quite rightly worried that if something goes wrong with yours they will all be tarred with the same brush.

You say your letting people without clubs participate AFAIK if your not in a club your either not insured or in no condition to fight. What if someone gets injured? It will do mma in Ireland no good,which will give the Joe Duffy brigade cause to bang on again. at least with the other shows that I've been to all fighters were from clubs and therefore insured and in fighting shape so any risks were minimal.

Also saying that posters here have no clue what there on about will do you no favours as I'm pretty sure almost all the mma clubs who are competing in Ireland have a member who post/check out this forum, saying that they have no clue and insulting them will hardly get the fighters that you need for your show.

just because you have experience doing other things does not mean your automatically the perfect choice to run an mma event, Just like I'm sure the mma promoters wouldn try to direct a film

cowzerp

well said lads, saved me writing an essay on this..

Valmont

And you guys were giving out about the guy who wanted to host a show in Cairo.

Dancor

It seems to me that alot of people on this board feel that to run an event you need to be part of an elite exclusive MMA family of some sort. Fair enough this showdown thing in Galway seems like a circus that I wont attend, But instead of helping people out in promoting MMA everyone goes on about who is the ref? who is the judge? who is your father? what did he have for breakfast? where is your club? who have you rolled with? tea or coffee? etc etc. It comes across like they dont like other people coming on the ''scene'' without answering all the above questions to their liking.
Regardless of who is officiating anyone that steps into a ring or cage should know how dangerous it is, As should any promoter. A ref is not going to prefent every thing that can go wrong, no matter who he is. Thats what insurance and doctors are for, Although I hope to Batman that neither is needed after any event on a local scene.

Roper: Nope it seems to suggest a €20 entrance fee for everyone. I wouldn't let my amateur fighters pay to fight if tickets were being sold. Amateurs should be fighting for free, but not paying.

Does the MMA leauge not cost €20 to enter? An amateur event that also has an admission fee. Is it because its Mark Leonard's event, a respected man in Irish MMA, that nobody has a problem paying this.
Its all about promotion. A promoter wants to make money. In music for instance alot of local bands pay to play even when tickets are being sold for the event. I dont agree witht his, but bands want to play, fighters want to fight. A promoter is there to accomedate this by charging them to get on his card, Although in this case its an MMA bandwagon that has been jumped on. Its been happening years and if something is going to be done about it, how about all the MMA clubs of Ireland do something about it or else its just going to keep on happening as MMA gets bigger.
If you like to work your ass off for months to put on a show to break even at the end of it then power to you, But a promoter wants to make money, hopefully with nobody getting hurt.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055507965
Above is a perfect example of what im talking about. Its happening in Egypt, Its not going to effect or conflict with anybodys card in Ireland, yet people still seem to have a problem, anyone that can agree to a fight is a big boy and should know to accept it only when they are happy with all the arrangments.
To me it looks like people already have their mind made up before the questions are being answered.

dunkamania

dancor wrote: »

It seems to me that alot of people on this board feel that to run an event you need to be part of an elite exclusive MMA family of some sort.
anyone that can agree to a fight is a big boy and should know to accept it only when they are happy with all the arrangments.
To me it looks like people already have their mind made up before the questions are being answered.

I understand where you are coming from Dancor, and I agree with parts of it but overall its a bit harsh.
It would be irresponsible of coaches to commit their fighters to a bout without making sure of the safety arrangements. As for putting fighters on shows, that dont belong to MMA gyms (i.e. untrained hardman), thats just
stupid.

Nothingcompares

dancor wrote: »

It seems to me that alot of people on this board feel that to run an event you need to be part of an elite exclusive MMA family of some sort. Fair enough this showdown thing in Galway seems like a circus that I wont attend, But instead of helping people out in promoting MMA everyone goes on about who is the ref? who is the judge? who is your father? what did he have for breakfast? where is your club? who have you rolled with? tea or coffee? etc etc. It comes across like they dont like other people coming on the ''scene'' without answering all the above questions to their liking.
Regardless of who is officiating anyone that steps into a ring or cage should know how dangerous it is, As should any promoter. A ref is not going to prefent every thing that can go wrong, no matter who he is. Thats what insurance and doctors are for, Although I hope to Batman that neither is needed after any event on a local scene.



Does the MMA leauge not cost €20 to enter? An amateur event that also has an admission fee. Is it because its Mark Leonard's event, a respected man in Irish MMA, that nobody has a problem paying this.
Its all about promotion. A promoter wants to make money. In music for instance alot of local bands pay to play even when tickets are being sold for the event. I dont agree witht his, but bands want to play, fighters want to fight. A promoter is there to accomedate this by charging them to get on his card, Although in this case its an MMA bandwagon that has been jumped on. Its been happening years and if something is going to be done about it, how about all the MMA clubs of Ireland do something about it or else its just going to keep on happening as MMA gets bigger.
If you like to work your ass off for months to put on a show to break even at the end of it then power to you, But a promoter wants to make money, hopefully with nobody getting hurt.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055507965
Above is a perfect example of what im talking about. Its happening in Egypt, Its not going to effect or conflict with anybodys card in Ireland, yet people still seem to have a problem, anyone that can agree to a fight is a big boy and should know to accept it only when they are happy with all the arrangments.
To me it looks like people already have their mind made up before the questions are being answered.

This is all bull ****. This isn't a case of me begrudging someone I don't know making money off MMA, it's a case of someone who has zero experience in MMA or anything similar trying to make a quick buck at the expense of the sports reputation and MUCH MORE importantly some kids face.

i wouldn't support a pro-wrestling event organised by a group of small time boxing promoters and a DJ because it promised girls in bikinis walking around. I wouldn't support a pro-boxing event event organised by a night club owner and a part-time postman because they promise Ricky and Bianca from Corrination street would be there. I wouldn't go to a gig in town that promised "the newest and best rock music acts" when the promoter is just getting a load of teenagers to pay him 50 euro to put their band on for 15 minutes.

MMA is about punching people in the face and kicking people in the head,it's not to be taken willy-nilly. Jugglers, fire breathing dragons, E class celebrities aside, this has the potential to be dangerous at worse, and disastrous at best.

SeeNoEvilagain

Well I taught muppets were just on Bebo but NO this place seems to be full of them.

WELL DONE LADS and ye go do the show which sounds like one I attended in America two years and they had dancers etc at it but US IRISH are not use to proper entertainment off course! I heard it being mentioned on the Ray Darcy show and said he would attend so already you are making names. Yes am sure trainers are concerned over safety so as long as that the show is insured etc. I see someone saying trying to make a quick buck? ha! What does he work at and am sure he'd love to be in your boots. I have been a boxer for many years (PRO) ands I was not into the MMA or UFC but recently I really have got into it but listening to some of these posts from MMA trainers and want to be fighters would turn me back off. My cousin has a Gym in New York where real UFC guys train. Keep up the good work guys and don't mind the negative ****e that us Irish throw out when we feel a bit envious. Well done and you can be guaranteed that the whole lot of my gang (40+) will be buying tickets!! Rock on ye guys!!!

SeeNoEvilagain

Oh my god boys!

Who is at the meeting? Who is the ref? Who THE **** ARE YE TO BE ASKING SUCH QUESTIONS? Who in god names are ye? How dare anyone ask questions like that unless the are in the fight / tournament? And what us Irish call RESPECTED in the business / hobbie for most would be laughed at in United States or England. Oh yes trust me!!! I am really happy I signed up for this!!!

roo1981

dancor wrote: »

But instead of helping people out in promoting MMA everyone goes on about who is the ref? who is the judge? who is your father? what did he have for breakfast? where is your club? who have you rolled with? tea or coffee? etc etc. Thats what insurance and doctors are for, Although I hope to Batman that neither is needed after any event on a local scene..

I've been training for a few years now and I'd hope my coach would ask those questions if I were going to fight on a card...if you dont ask you could end up with-

Dodgy ref? After watching Josie's circus in Donegal, its clear having a sh*te incompetent ref not only makes the show itself look like crap, it increases the potential for fighter injuries. Excluding straight KO's the ref should know when to stop a fight, that usually prevents the doctors and insurance from ever coming into play. Would dodgy refs be accepted in any other pro sport?

Dodgy judges? With tote betting and 'belts' on the line? Are you nuts?

Dodgy tea\coffee? Potential riot on your hands.

dancor wrote: »

Does the MMA leauge not cost €20 to enter? An amateur event that also has an admission fee. Is it because its Mark Leonard's event, a respected man in Irish MMA, that nobody has a problem paying this...

Yes it does-but it also doesnt have the door revenue that comes with a pro event, and at least gives fighters a start in a (relatively) non-pressurized, safe environment. Musicians arent getting repeatedly punched in the head with teeny gloves on.

dancor wrote: »

To me it looks like people already have their mind made up before the questions are being answered.

The questions should have been answered on the first page of this thread, or would have been if the promoter had a clue what he was at. A plagurised info pack screams dodginess of used car salesman proportions.

Fromvert

By the looks of things Seenoevil you have registered on boards to support two events which one if posted here and one is in the boxing forum that is also under a lot of scrutiny. So are you involved in the event? Me thinks you are.
Wow mentioned on the radio this must be legit. The people on this forum asking the questions are fighters or the coaches of fighters, so if they are not allowed to ask questions who is?
What good will an MMA 'event' be fightout MMA fighters from legitimate clubs?

Mark Hamill

dancor wrote: »

It seems to me that alot of people on this board feel that to run an event you need to be part of an elite exclusive MMA family of some sort. Fair enough this showdown thing in Galway seems like a circus that I wont attend, But instead of helping people out in promoting MMA everyone goes on about who is the ref? who is the judge? who is your father? what did he have for breakfast? where is your club? who have you rolled with? tea or coffee? etc etc.

You don't think that knowing who the refs and judges are is important? The difference between a good ref and a bad one can be a half dozen unprotected shots to the face of a downed opponent. If the judges are pure striking or wrestling or jitz judges, with no actual experience of actual MMA, then you are going to have some awful decisions made on the night.

dancor wrote: »

Regardless of who is officiating anyone that steps into a ring or cage should know how dangerous it is, As should any promoter. A ref is not going to prefent every thing that can go wrong, no matter who he is. Thats what insurance and doctors are for, Although I hope to Batman that neither is needed after any event on a local scene.

Insurance and doctors are in place on the absolute off chance that something goes wrong, they are not an excuse to get sloppy. You cant say to a fighter "Well the ref didn't really know what an armbar looked like, thats why he didn't pull that guy off you when you tapped. But look on the brightside, the insurance will cover physio and in a year or two, you'll be able to bend your arm properly"

dancor wrote: »

Does the MMA leauge not cost €20 to enter? An amateur event that also has an admission fee. Is it because its Mark Leonard's event, a respected man in Irish MMA, that nobody has a problem paying this.

There is no entry fee for spectators in the MMA League, so the money to pay for hall space, mat rental and medals has to come from somewhere.

dancor wrote: »

Its all about promotion. A promoter wants to make money. In music for instance alot of local bands pay to play even when tickets are being sold for the event. I dont agree witht his, but bands want to play, fighters want to fight. A promoter is there to accomedate this by charging them to get on his card, Although in this case its an MMA bandwagon that has been jumped on. Its been happening years and if something is going to be done about it, how about all the MMA clubs of Ireland do something about it or else its just going to keep on happening as MMA gets bigger.
If you like to work your ass off for months to put on a show to break even at the end of it then power to you, But a promoter wants to make money, hopefully with nobody getting hurt.

In MMA, a promoter should want to have a show with nobody getting hurt, hopefully making some money in the process, not the other way around.

dancor wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055507965
Above is a perfect example of what im talking about. Its happening in Egypt, Its not going to effect or conflict with anybodys card in Ireland, yet people still seem to have a problem,

Above is just a perfect example of wherever you try to put on a card, if you cant show you have the necessary experience and the right team of refs, doctors and judges, people are going to have problems with you.

dancor wrote: »

anyone that can agree to a fight is a big boy and should know to accept it only when they are happy with all the arrangments.

But what about the "big boy" who has never trained in a club before (remember, you don't need to be in a club to fight)and gets in the cage to look big in front of his mates, and then gets a broken leg, or a dislocated shoulder, or beaten to a pulp because he doesn't want to tap, his corner (if he even needs one!) doesn't think of throwing in a towel or the ref cant recognise that he has no idea what he is doing.

dancor wrote: »

To me it looks like people already have their mind made up before the questions are being answered.

Yes, but the people making up their minds are those deciding to hold a MMA event, and they are doing so before any questions, like "do we actually know whats involved in the running of a MMA event?", are being answered

Mark Hamill

SeeNoEvilagain wrote: »

Oh my god boys!

Who is at the meeting? Who is the ref? Who THE **** ARE YE TO BE ASKING SUCH QUESTIONS? Who in god names are ye?

Prospective spectators/fighters?

SeeNoEvilagain wrote: »

How dare anyone ask questions like that unless the are in the fight / tournament? And what us Irish call RESPECTED in the business / hobbie for most would be laughed at in United States or England. Oh yes trust me!!! I am really happy I signed up for this!!!

Is there a reason why you think this has to be privledged information?

Dancor

dunkamania wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from Dancor, and I agree with parts of it but overall its a bit harsh.

I didnt mean it to be, Although the elitists here can be just as harsh.

dunkamania wrote: »

It would be irresponsible of coaches to commit their fighters to a bout without making sure of the safety arrangements. As for putting fighters on shows, that dont belong to MMA gyms (i.e. untrained hardman), thats just stupid.

I 100% agree and I would have no sympathy for such a person.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

it's a case of someone who has zero experience in MMA or anything similar trying to make a quick buck at the expense of the sports reputation and MUCH MORE importantly some kids face.

And how can anybody get experience in MMA with all the narrow minds that want to keep it as some kind of elitist secret organisation thing only. Also what reputation? A few thousand people in this country know what MMA is. I dont think events like showdown2009 will help it get any better, but neither will shooting down every promoter who has not got their own gym and wants to make a living.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

i wouldn't support a pro-wrestling event organised by a group of small time boxing promoters and a DJ because it promised girls in bikinis walking around. I wouldn't support a pro-boxing event event organised by a night club owner and a part-time postman because they promise Ricky and Bianca from Corrination street would be there. I wouldn't go to a gig in town that promised "the newest and best rock music acts" when the promoter is just getting a load of teenagers to pay him 50 euro to put their band on for 15 minutes.

Nor would I

Nothingcompares wrote: »

MMA is about punching people in the face and kicking people in the head

I hope this is a joke.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

it's not to be taken willy-nilly. Jugglers, fire breathing dragons, E class celebrities aside, this has the potential to be dangerous at worse, and disastrous at best.

Again I agree with you on this, I do not support the format of these shows. Its more like a circus. And how can you have a royal rumble in a cage?

Raze_them_all

None of us have an elitest attitude, what we have is an informed one. The established shows in Ireland are established because they have answered all the questions we have asked here previously.

Also yes it does help that we know them personally, Trust is needed especially when you or one of your fighters is going to a show starting up. E.g. Roper threw his first show last year and cowzer is throwing his first one this year, They are well known and have been around the scene a while, I highly doubt they just went onto Marks website copied the rules and left it at that.

There shows were a success and will be a success because they have talked to other promoters and coaches about whats needed to put on a successful show and about the safety of fighters.

Nothingcompares

SeeNoEvilagain wrote: »

Well I taught muppets were just on Bebo but NO this place seems to be full of them.

OMG RAY DARCY ENDORSES THIS PRODUCT IT MUST BE GOOD!!!1111

Clive

dancor wrote: »

And how can anybody get experience in MMA with all the narrow minds that want to keep it as some kind of elitist secret organisation thing only.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055478242&

There's an example of a show that was not linked to any MMA gym or promoted by any active MMA coach/fighter etc etc.

The same questions were asked - who are the judges, who's the ref etc. Once people heard that a top ref was involved - it was clear that things were above board.

I salute any promoter who runs a professional show and makes money. More power to them.

I also salute the coaches and managers who are trying to protect both their fighters and the sport.