Most silly comment by a so called rugby "expert"

twinytwo

I dont read the star for obvious reasons but i say a pic of BOD on the back so i decided to read the article....... Some english rugby "expert" said that england deserved to win the six nations because they played the best, most exciting rugby:rolleyes: then yaps on about how they only lost to us by a point and they were robbed of the championship.. needless to say he dosent metion that the scoreline completely flattered the English.... I was there thinking dude what 6'Ns were you watching. I mean if we could all get paid to write complete nonence

chupacabra

Thats what you get for reading the Star.

ScholesyIsGod

If O'Gara hadn't been having such an off day with the boot we'd have been about 20 points clear before Armitage got their try. A lot of the guys on Sky Sports and BBC are saying similar things about how they should have beaten us, strange really.

Latchy

The English dont do losing very well .

Remember the soccer team used to have the mentality of just showing up to win matches at ( old ) wembly ,regardless of the oppositions strengths or weakness's .

ScholesyIsGod

What i think is strange about it is that at the London Irish game the next day Woodward said Ireland should have won by 20 or 30 points and the boys in the studio agreed, then as time went by they seemed to forget what happened in the first 75 minutes of the game and decided to concentrate on the scoreline instead.

anonymous_joe

latchyco wrote: »

The English dont do losing very well .

Remember the soccer team used to have the mentality of just showing up to win matches at ( old ) wembly ,regardless of the oppositions strengths or weakness's .

Reign in there.

They may well, but, and a big but, look at what they say.

England almost beat Wales. They also almost got spanked in the same game.

We almost thrashed them, we should have, O'Gara missed a rake of kicks, and we showed our worrying inability to really score tries, and England scored a try and were suddenly very dangerous.

If we'd shown two comebacks like that we'd react the same way.

ScholesyIsGod

Ya but they suddenly looked dangerous for 2 minutes of the 80. They could have nicked it, but they were poor in that game and we were far superior granted it was of our own making that we allowed them to still be in with a shout but the like of Will Greenwood seem to be of the opinion that England were the better side, which they clearly were not.

We scored 12 trys in 5 games thats not a bad return, the main thing is that we got trys when we needed them.

Latchy

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Reign in there.

They may well, but, and a big but, look at what they say.

England almost beat Wales. They also almost got spanked in the same game.

We almost thrashed them, we should have, O'Gara missed a rake of kicks, and we showed our worrying inability to really score tries, and England scored a try and were suddenly very dangerous.

If we'd shown two comebacks like that we'd react the same way.

Agreed . But doesn't every team in the 6 nations have it's share of luck ? So If Ireland had there's in that game ( which I have to admit was the only game I didnt see in 6 nations ) then the english down through the years have had there's to .But no team of course wins a competition on luck alone .

Serenity Now!

They've got tough competition.
Some of the comments on provincial teams, ELVs, Lions selections in this forum are hilarious.

thehighground

Opening poster makes an interesting point. I re-watched the Wales v Ireland game last night, this time with BBC commentary and it was unbelievable as to how biased it was. There were two Irish players who could do no wrong (BOD & POC) and just got the praise for everything. The rest were picked on for everything they did wrong, a level of criticism which was not levelled at the Welsh players. Of course there audience is British with the odd Paddy commentator to make it look like its balanced (and of course, Irish people don't blow their own trumpet in the same way as the English media do).

For example:

Kearney was dismissed - his chance of the Lions gone because of one mistake at the end of the Welsh game which they pounced on.

Luke Fitzgerald hardly gets a mention - and Luke had a excellent 6Ns - consistently excellent - great defense.

Tommy Bowe - just didn't get the praise he deserved.

Donnacha O'Callaghan - hardly mentioned was Ryan Jones' cheap shot of a trip on O'Gara which lead to a penalty against Wales. They focussed on DOC's lack of dicipline (not Jones') and how lucky DOC was that he wasn't carded! Same with Leamy. These two got it throughout the match. I know what DOC & Leamy would say (well we've got 2 HCup medals & a GS medal in our arse pockets )

The rest of the Irish team was irrelevant really to the game.

As for O'Gara - they just never stopped criticising him (mostly about how he was getting run over by the Welsh, but failing to mention that the Welsh did not get through him) and were frequently far too close and never got pinged for it - and in comparision to Jones - who got turned over 3 times in possession in the first half, on one occasion which nearly lead to Fitzgerald's try (except pass was forward) - it wasn't really criticised. They droned on and on when O'Gara made a mistake (like kicking it out on the full which happened once I think).

My take on it as this stage is that since obviously most the commentators are old pros, they want their own to go on the Lions who basically you have to rubbish the main opposition. They know that BOD & POC will go, so they keep heaping all the praise on those two. I actually get annoyed at this stage that all the praise is heaped on BOD for that tackle in the Scottish game, when in fact the praise should really been heaped on Tommy Bowe. Thing is, there are a couple of England players who could make the wings/FB position.

As for O'Gara - he is viewed as the main competition for OH - they want to rubbish him by highlighting his faults continually - they just want Johnny/Cips to travel.

Pity is that with all the British based media readily available here, we get to hear it. They don't hear what anyone else has to say (or maybe we are too nice) to actually slate their players as they slate ours.

Podge2k7

chupacabra wrote: »

Thats what you get for reading the Star.

+1

BarryM

"The English dont do losing very well ......"

This remark, IMO, justifies the subject of this thread.....

RuggieBear

thehighground wrote: »

Opening poster makes an interesting point. I re-watched the Wales v Ireland game last night, this time with BBC commentary and it was unbelievable as to how biased it was. There were two Irish players who could do no wrong (BOD & POC) and just got the praise for everything. The rest were picked on for everything they did wrong, a level of criticism which was not levelled at the Welsh players. Of course there audience is British with the odd Paddy commentator to make it look like its balanced (and of course, Irish people don't blow their own trumpet in the same way as the English media do).

For example:

Kearney was dismissed - his chance of the Lions gone because of one mistake at the end of the Welsh game which they pounced on.

Luke Fitzgerald hardly gets a mention - and Luke had a excellent 6Ns - consistently excellent - great defense.

Tommy Bowe - just didn't get the praise he deserved.

Donnacha O'Callaghan - hardly mentioned was Ryan Jones' cheap shot of a trip on O'Gara which lead to a penalty against Wales. They focussed on DOC's lack of dicipline (not Jones') and how lucky DOC was that he wasn't carded! Same with Leamy. These two got it throughout the match. I know what DOC & Leamy would say (well we've got 2 HCup medals & a GS medal in our arse pockets )

The rest of the Irish team was irrelevant really to the game.

As for O'Gara - they just never stopped criticising him (mostly about how he was getting run over by the Welsh, but failing to mention that the Welsh did not get through him) and were frequently far too close and never got pinged for it - and in comparision to Jones - who got turned over 3 times in possession in the first half, on one occasion which nearly lead to Fitzgerald's try (except pass was forward) - it wasn't really criticised. They droned on and on when O'Gara made a mistake (like kicking it out on the full which happened once I think).

My take on it as this stage is that since obviously most the commentators are old pros, they want their own to go on the Lions who basically you have to rubbish the main opposition. They know that BOD & POC will go, so they keep heaping all the praise on those two. I actually get annoyed at this stage that all the praise is heaped on BOD for that tackle in the Scottish game, when in fact the praise should really been heaped on Tommy Bowe. Thing is, there are a couple of England players who could make the wings/FB position.

As for O'Gara - he is viewed as the main competition for OH - they want to rubbish him by highlighting his faults continually - they just want Johnny/Cips to travel.

Pity is that with all the British based media readily available here, we get to hear it. They don't hear what anyone else has to say (or maybe we are too nice) to actually slate their players as they slate ours.

erm...the bbc commentators were eddie butler (former welsh captain) and phillip mathews (former Irish captain). I thought they were grand.

The rest of the analysis was ok. I didn't think the bbc were overly biased tbh....it definitely wasn't the love-in that the RTE show was but then it is aimed at different audiences and has to sate the english, scottish and welsh viewing public. What would the other counties think if they were subjected to the one-eyed nature of the rte broadcast...

perhaps you are just too used to the decidedly (and rightly, being our national broadcaster) biased rte commentary and analysis?

connundrum

thehighground wrote: »

Opening poster makes an interesting point. I re-watched the Wales v Ireland game last night, this time with BBC commentary and it was unbelievable as to how biased it was.

I did the same - did you see after the game where the BBC woman was presenting BOD with the bottle of champagne for Man of the Match?

She gives it to him and says - I suppose you'll get drunk on that long into the night.

BOD rolls his eyes says a quick thanks and legs it away.

She possibly didn't mean it, but it came across as quite patronising.

Just a side point anyways..

Stev_o

connundrum wrote: »

I did the same - did you see after the game where the BBC woman was presenting BOD with the bottle of champagne for Man of the Match?

She gives it to him and says - I suppose you'll get drunk on that long into the night.

BOD rolls his eyes says a quick thanks and legs it away.

She possibly didn't mean it, but it came across as quite patronising.

Just a side point anyways..

Because rugby isn't known to have a huge drinking culture after winning a title match :rolleyes:

anonymous_joe

Stev_o wrote: »

Because rugby isn't known to have a huge drinking culture after winning a title match :rolleyes:

Uhm. After any match?

Stev_o

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Uhm. After any match?

Yes but a title match would be double your normal session in the pubs:p

thehighground

RuggieBear wrote: »

erm...the bbc commentators were eddie butler (former welsh captain) and phillip mathews (former Irish captain). I thought they were grand.

I wouldn't mind Eddie Butler. With Phillip Mathews you have the old provincial rivalry and of course the inbuilt Irish begrudgery, not to mention the Humphs v ROG rivalry! I was actually quite shocked by an article that Tyrone Howe wrote for the Belfast Telegraph after the AIs which cut O'Gara to pieces and came across to me as quite personal - or appealing to his audience maybe!

The rest of the analysis was ok. I didn't think the bbc were overly biased tbh....it definitely wasn't the love-in that the RTE show was but then it is aimed at different audiences and has to sate the english, scottish and welsh viewing public. What would the other counties think if they were subjected to the one-eyed nature of the rte broadcast...

Butler did not criticise the Welsh at all. Tony Ward is actually quite critical. I thought Austin Healey was good (but even he just picked out the bad Irish stuff)! As I said, Jones being turned over 3 time was hardly mentioned.

Its well worth watching both commentaries.

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

twinytwo wrote: »

I dont read the star for obvious reasons but i say a pic of BOD on the back so i decided to read the article....... Some english rugby "expert" said that england deserved to win the six nations because they played the best, most exciting rugby:rolleyes: then yaps on about how they only lost to us by a point and they were robbed of the championship.. needless to say he dosent metion that the scoreline completely flattered the English.... I was there thinking dude what 6'Ns were you watching. I mean if we could all get paid to write complete nonence

the star's a piece of shít newspaper, the only time I buy it is when thers free bets for cheltenham in it and tbh my 7 year old brother could write a better sports article than some of those luuthers!!

Latchy

BarryM wrote: »

"The English dont do losing very well ......"

This remark, IMO, justifies the subject of this thread.....

As in silly comment ? Ok let me rephrase that .The English dont like to lose .

old boy

you do not have to tune into the beep for o gara knockers, this forum has more than its share of them.

stephen_n

This is a bit like saying 20 years ago when there were feck all foreigners here that the Irish weren't racist LOL


Our commentators are just as biased in the main as the English ones just we choose not to see it!

Climate Expert

stephen_n wrote: »

This is a bit like saying 20 years ago when there were feck all foreigners here that the Irish weren't racist LOL


Our commentators are just as biased in the main as the English ones just we choose not to see it!

Our commentators should be biased as they representing the Irish broadcaster for the Irish people.

Commentators and pundits for the BBC are supposed to be neutral to all of the home nations.

NotWormBoy

I don't mind a commentator being a bit biased, especially a co-commentator. They love their rugby, and they're usually past internationals, which means they usually love their country too. I'd prefer hearing a bit of emotion in their voices as opposed to complete neutrality.

I like yer man who does the main commentary for the BBC with Brian Moore as co - Eddie Butler is it? He gets it right in my eyes (usually) - he rightly is pleased when England score, but he seems to appreciate good rugby regardless of where the team is from. Take is commentary of Dempsey's try against England in Croker as a good example.

People can go over the top though - Brian Moore (much as I love his commentary) does it sometimes, especially when he gets into rows with Butler and Wood.

ScholesyIsGod

Eddie Butler is a former Welsh international, i wouldn't think he's overly pleased when England score.

As for Brian Moore i cannot stand that man, he's so bias and the things he comes out with really annoy me, during the Wales and England game one of the English players threw a punch at Alun Wyn Jones and Moore says that Jones deserved to be decked one, i dont like to hear commentators saying things like that. Plus he hates the Irish.

NotWormBoy

He's Welsh? Well, you learn something new every day. Sub Wales in for England there then. ;-)

My point is that he seems to get enthusiastic when tries are scored, and gets into the intensity of the game - and if a try is worth it, he'll reflect that in the tone of his voice when commentating - regardless of who's scoring against whom.

toomevara

ScholesyIsGod wrote: »

Plus he hates the Irish.

With all due respect, what a silly comment...Moore grumbles about everyone, he's an equal opportunity rugby misanthropist, who regularly and memorably labels English players' 'halfwits' .He also happens to be a fine, fine judge of the game, an excellent rugby intellect and an excellent commentator.

On what concrete evidence (not hearsay and a general subjective feeling that anyone who looks and sounds like him must 'hate' an entire nation) do you base your assertion?...

CoDy1

Stephen Jones Sunday Times FTW

The man talks complete and utter horsesh*t and is comletely welsh biased.

He has henson starting on the Lions test team before BOD and Flannery as a PROP!.

That says it all..:rolleyes:

stephen_n

Climate Expert wrote: »

Our commentators should be biased as they representing the Irish broadcaster for the Irish people.

Commentators and pundits for the BBC are supposed to be neutral to all of the home nations.

Of which Ireland is not one!!

As too the first part of your statement that Irish broadcasters should be biased well then why would we have the right to complain about any other broadcaster being biased so. I think all Broadcasters should be biased towards their country of origin if they are passionate about the game and their country then it's a given that they will be or else you'd end up with a load of bland idiots totally detached from the audience.

Climate Expert

stephen_n wrote: »

Of which Ireland is not one!!

As too the first part of your statement that Irish broadcasters should be biased well then why would we have the right to complain about any other broadcaster being biased so. I think all Broadcasters should be biased towards their country of origin if they are passionate about the game and their country then it's a given that they will be or else you'd end up with a load of bland idiots totally detached from the audience.

It is in fairness, BBC Ulster and all that.

stephen_n

Climate Expert wrote: »

It is in fairness, BBC Ulster and all that.

Well yes that's true but in reality I think the pop of England is 58 million and the pop of Wales Scotland and NI combined is about 8 so it would be like the argument that RTE should broadcast it's match coverage in Irish!