Katie Taylor

sston

With all the threads about Bernard's fantastic achievement I don't think there's been any discussion of Katie's performance last weekend. I thought the fight was a cracker and the judges scoring was way out although Katie still won it pretty clearly but what an exhibition of women's boxing.

Both girls deserve massive credit and it was great to see Katie's talents being showcased on such a big stage.

Shane10

i missed katies fight have to say only saw it from lee's fight onwards. i dont know maybe im in a minority but watching women boxing just dosent seem right. u know what i mean.....its bad enough in a way 2 men doing it.

acontadino

thats only our culture.

Daroxtar

Shane10 wrote: »

its bad enough in a way 2 men doing it.

Blasphemer, Geddout!!;)

geuro

Yeah i thought she was great last week - she is a great ambassador for women's boxing and it was a great fight. And i definitely would. Not many boxers you can say that about

dardoz

I thought she was absolutely phenomenal. There really is nobody to challenge her which is kind of disappointing. The girl she fought was the Pan American champion and it was like watching Flash Gordon fighting Barney

mikethemouth

i think she is absolutely incredible and a world class act .

shes a fantastic ambassador for ireland and women's boxing.

while i am not a major supporter of womens professional boxing this girls boxing skills and brain make my argument redundant.

i hope ameteur womens boxing is included in london and katie brings home the gold.

Tippex

And lets not forget she is also an Irish womens football international.
An yes she was awsome on saturday night.

Jemmy

I'm not into boxing but I just wana say +1 on this, she was great imo.
I've met her a few times out and she's such a nice girl too!:)

walshb

dardoz wrote: »

I thought she was absolutely phenomenal. There really is nobody to challenge her which is kind of disappointing. The girl she fought was the Pan American champion and it was like watching Flash Gordon fighting Barney

There is plenty to challenge her. The world of womens boxing is growing
and growing. Look at China and the States.

There are more than enough
to challenge Katy.

She is simply superb, but it's not as
easy as it looks.

She has to work damn hard to stay top and the fight
with the yank showed this, despite the score, Katy was pushed very hard!

dardoz

If it were a professional fight, I would agree with you as the American was a bit of a brawler and managed to mix it up a few times.

However, it wasn't. It was amateur and was a walkover.

Every boxer has to work hard, it is Taylor's natural speed and precision that are undeniably better than anything I have ever seen in women's boxing.

mjon3105

It was great to see Katie get another GOLD for Ireland in this morning's final of the AHMET COMERT CUP in Istanbul. She was fighting not only her local opponent OZLEM DINC but also most of the vociferous Turkish audience.
For the record scoring went thus:

1-1
3-1
4-1
5-1

I'm sure you will read or hear more later on RTE and in the Online media reports.


Mike

Johnduddy

Cheers for this Mike, great stuff again Katie

Roll on 2012

cowzerp

The girl is awsome, fair play to her..

MBC

Yeah agreed with all that has been said..........she is amazing......fair play to her.

mikethemouth

not only did she win gold but she won best overall boxer for men and women

anybody here steve bunce mention her on his show stating that she is having prolems getting fights these days

she is the one true world class athelete we have

walshb

Apparently she has now won 53 from her last 54 fights. Wow. Anyone know who was the last person to beat her? I believe it was in early 2006 and was in the quarters
of the worlds!

I have a feeling in a while people will almost be trying to
downgrade her achievements. It always happens when
someone is so so good and the best of the best, people
then complain of the lack of challengers etc.

Well, I wont. Katy is the best, but she is being really challenged and pushed
and she can only beat women on the planet.

Maybe they will look elsewhere in the Universe for a challenger:)

joepenguin

As long as she keeps winning it doesnt matter what people say. She is in amature boxing and there is no hiding from anyone, no "good" promoters, no matchmaking etc etc world champion means champion of the world and thats what Katie is. Lets hope womens boxing makes the olympics.

mjon3105

I believe the answer to the question posed by WALSHB is that on 28 Sept she lost to the North Korean , KUM HU HUI HANG 28-13 in the 2005 World Championships quarter final when 18.

Whilst online I include an interesting report from MARY FOGARTY in the "Bray People" regarding the Royal Hotel show in Bray just three days after Katy had "hammered" Caroline Barry of the USA at O2. Makes interesting reading:"
Running for cover




By Mary FOGARTY

Wednesday April 01 2009

THE CROWD held their breath last Thursday night in the Royal Hotel as boxing hero Katie Taylor took on former Irish champ and European bronze medalist Ross Hickey from Grangecon in what would unfold as a frighteningly good exhibition match.
Hundreds of people crowded into the ballroom and got to their feet with a roar, as champ Katie climbed into the ring to face lightweight Ross who stepped in at the eleventh hour when Liverpool's Anastasia Cousins backed out of the bout.
Hickey and Taylor, who have sparred together before, produced three rounds of exceptional boxing. They sized one another up for the first three minutes and while there are no official points scored in an exhibition bout, onlookers agreed that Katie remained well ahead for the following two rounds.
Hickey only managed to tap Taylor a handful of times, with her speed and precision allowing the Bray sensation to land several blows on her opponent. The 22-year-old's coach and father, Pete Taylor, and brother Peter gave orders from ringside, with Taylor anticipating their instructions almost before the words were out.
'Hickey is a gentleman and a great guy. He had nothing to gain by coming out and stepping in. He did it as a favour and we really appreciate it,' said Pete.
Middleweight champion Jim Rock and Cllr. John Brady were there to present awards on the evening, which was organised to raise money for Bray Boxing Club. The final figure is expected to exceed €5,000. There were 14 clashes on the night, with members of the club going head to head with clubs all over the region.


'Thanks to everyone for supporting the event and all the sponsors who dug deep to help us out,' said promoter Shane Rowan, hinting at a bigger event in the town in June in front of a crowd of 2,500 people.
'The champion of Europe, champion of the world, ladies and gentlemen the champion of Bray,' exclaimed MC Gerry Fitzpatrick before the best amateur female boxer alive happily posed for photographs and signed autographs for her ecstatic fans.
- Mary FOGARTY

walshb wrote: »

Apparently she has now won 53 from her last 54 fights. Wow. Anyone know who was the last person to beat her? I believe it was in early 2006 and was in the quarters
of the worlds!

walshb

Thanks for the record clear up there.

As for Taylor and Hickey, wow. That's unusual isn't it?

While I agree the talent of Taylor is superb, she is still a woman
and fighting a man who is a LW/JWW would be a step too far.

I assume Ross didn't really exert or open up very much here?

I know it was an exhibition and unless Hickey hasn't been
training for quite some time, he still should have had a fairly routine
time with Katie. Is it being intimated in this report that
Hickey was less the fighter and had little answer for Katie?
That seems to be what the report is implying

mjon3105

I'd definitely agree with you. It is clear from Pete Taylor's comments that Ross Hickey stepped in at last minute with offer of an exhibition since "many hundreds" of tickets had been sold and had someone not appeared then the chairty would have suffered. I'm afraid there is no Irish female boxer who could have stepped in and I agree with Pete's comment that it was very gallant of him(Ross Hickey) to step in at last moment and save the show.. If that had happened on a major bill this exhibition would not have had to go ahead but rather than let down her fans and the many locals who had just seen her on TV a few days earlier against Caroline Barry then I'm sure that a "local solution" was found that satisifed every one especially the organisers.

I dont think it has any implications for either Katie or Ross - since she regularly spars with men anyway this was nothing new save that it was at a public performance. The news reporter commented as she saw it ,probably quite reasonably so but without any indepth knowledge of boxing male or female,she would not have been able to make any comparisons. You are right.


On another point, I think my previous answer was wrong for in June 2006. Katie did lose to Turkey's Gulsum Tatar 24-13 in the quarter final of the First Womens European Union Championship in Porto Torres, Sardinia so

Kate's new website seems to be a "work in progress" but its a good start.

www.katie-taylor.net



Mike/London

Johnduddy

walshb wrote: »

Thanks for the record clear up there.

As for Taylor and Hickey, wow. That's unusual isn't it?

While I agree the talent of Taylor is superb, she is still a woman
and fighting a man who is a LW/JWW would be a step too far.

I assume Ross didn't really exert or open up very much here?

I know it was an exhibition and unless Hickey hasn't been
training for quite some time, he still should have had a fairly routine
time with Katie. Is it being intimated in this report that
Hickey was less the fighter and had little answer for Katie?
That seems to be what the report is implying

I was at this show, the girl that Katie was due to fight pulled out at short notice so Ross did a favour to come up for an exhibition.

I wouldnt read too much into that local report, Ross didnt go all out and it was declared a "Draw" but Katie did land some good shots.

It was an exhibition (more like a sparring session really) with a packed ballroom of people having bought tickets to see Katie, Pete had to get a replacement - and Ross fair play, to him did the job.

sligobhoy67

that Kaite Taylor doc is on Setanta Ireland again at 8.30pm - worth a watch!

lostexpectation

the need to get these championships on rte full coverage

lynnemc

Katie is into the semi finals of the EU championships. She won her quarter final bout today in Bulgaria against Italian Cordio Giacoma 14-1

sligobhoy67

lostexpectation wrote: »

the need to get these championships on rte full coverage

lets start with getting the World Championships and the European Championships and then we should worry about the EU's.

lynnemc

Taylor is now into the final of the EU championships beating French girl 11-2.

Táck

well done katie, should be more media coverage of this

lynnemc

Taylor has just won gold at the EU championships !
thats 35 wins in a row !

Big Ears

Spectacular stuff as always, it's strange in a way but she's so good you expect her to win every fight(no matter what tournament and what level) and by big margins.
With that mindset it would be easy not to give her the full credit she's due but when you think about it what she's done is amazing.

35 wins in a row. 2 Gold medals at World Championships, 3 Gold medals at European Championships(or is it 4 now ?), and that's 2 Gold EU medals in a row, but I've fairly sure she has more then that. I think the fact that she's won so many golds I can't remember them all says everything.

walshb

Katy is Ireland's finest athlete and the worlds best boxer period.

The thing is, she is being tested and by some very good
female boxers. I have seen a couple of her bouts and the
opposition has been very tough, she simply is a step above, but make
no mistake about it, she earns the wins with real real effort!

peterako

Had the great pleasure of bumping into Katie Taylor at Dublin Airport as we were heading out on holidays.

While I have been aware of her (mainly) boxing achievements I have not really been following them (Boxing is not a sport I have much interest in...sorry).
I have 'always' rated her as a fantastic sportsperson. Up there (and possibly ahead of) the best we as a country have to offer. She's, simply put, World Class

After meeting Katie I was hugely impressed by her as a person.

As has been stated in previous posts in this thread, a great ambassador for Ireland and the Sport.

And now with one more fan

Peter

mjon3105

Whilst not a Boxing item, fans of Katie Taylor will be pleased to hear that she made a significant impact after appearing as a replacement in tonight's world cup match in Cork,as this extract from my match report suggests :

"Fresh from her outstanding win in the European Boxing championships at the weekend, Katie Taylor tonight helped Ireland to a 2-1 win in the World Cup against Kazahkstan in Turners Cross.

With Ireland level at 1-1 and less than 15 mins left, Irish Manager Noel King brought on all three substitutes in an effort to secure a badly needed win. Shannon McDonnell, Stephanie Roche and Katie Taylor joined the fray and within minutes the game had turned in Ireland's favour.

First, McDonnell tested the goalkeeper with a fine 85th minute effort and a minute later, Taylor powered an effort at goal but keeper Saratovtseva made a fine save - the Irish team kept up the pressure and Stephanie Roche got the all important winner,from three yards, in the 87th minute after Fiona O'Sullivan's effort had failed to reach its target.


In the opening half, Fiona O'Sullivan had put Ireland ahead on her home debut but in the 64th minute,the visitors had equalised - against the run of the play - with a fine 30 yards effort from Yekaterina Krassyukova yards against the evaded Emma Byrne in the Irish goal.


Now Katie Taylor hopes to have a well deserved three weeks break from sport. No doubt her opponents will breathe a sign of relief!


Mike

peterako

Big question:

How come Katie is not on this list:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/greatest_poll.html

Surely she has done enough now to be considered one of our greatest!

I can only think of one other Irish Sportsperson who has so dominated their sport (Sean Kelly).

AND Katie is a world class footballer too

Peter

future_plans

Its pretty outrageous that she's not on it. And that swimmer is??!!

Maybe Katie has to go and win a good honest Gold Medal before she makes it on there.

peterako

Personally I think Michelle Smith was very hard done by.
And that she was an outstanding competitor.

But that's another discussion.

As are drugs in sport (another discussion).

Katie should be on the list of Greatest!

She has plenty of good honest Gold medals.

Just no Olympic ones.

But that's not her fault and has until London (fingers crossed) been out of her control.

walshb

For some, Katie can never do enough and that is why she is not on the list.
Maybe if she wins tHe 100 metre sprint, boxinG gold and the marathon at the London games, she wilL be considered, because dominating boxing for 4 years withot defeat and winning many major and gobal titles just doesn't do it.:rolleyes:
Oh, and the Playing and being good enough to be slected to Play for Ireland

fryup

she's a good lookin chick.........hate to see her with a broken nose......which could easily happen

waterfordkick

Just as well Katie is Irish !!

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/08/21/sp-boxing-cuba.html?ref=rss

mr biazzi

Oh i love that women, she'd kill me tho.

joey54

peterako wrote: »

Big question:

How come Katie is not on this list:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/greatest_poll.html

Surely she has done enough now to be considered one of our greatest!

I can only think of one other Irish Sportsperson who has so dominated their sport (Sean Kelly).

Peter

Good question, poor show that she's not on it. She has achieved so much and doesn't get half the recognition she deserves. I've sent off an email asking RTE why she isn't on the list. Wonder will I hear back.

She's the perfect role model for kids. I've never actually met her but she comes across as a very modest, like-able person.

I was glad to see women's boxing get the go ahead for 2012. Hopefully Ireland will sit up and pay attention when this young lady achieves an Olympic medal.

Imagine the coverage which would be dedicated to a male boxer who has achieved what she has.

Pisco Sour

peterako wrote: »

I can only think of one other Irish Sportsperson who has so dominated their sport (Sean Kelly).


Peter

Sonia O'Sullivan absolutely dominated her sport from 1993-1995 and was at the very top level from 1992-2002, and has won an astonishing amount of medals during her career in Olympics, World, World Cross-Country and European Championships. Not to mention all the medals she was robbed of by drug cheats (1992 and 1993).

It is truely amazing and shameful that people forget this!

Running Bing

I know this debate has come up before but the reason she is not on the list is because the sport she competes in doesnt compare to the other sports represented on that list. You can say she is the most dominant in her sport so should be there but your not comparing like with like.


Lets not play the fools here....deep down we all know its the case and we all know why she is'nt there....and as I have said before she is a great athlete and seems a lovely person but she really doesnt belong there imo.

walshb

Running Bing wrote: »

I know this debate has come up before but the reason she is not on the list is because the sport she competes in doesnt compare to the other sports represented on that list. You can say she is the most dominant in her sport so should be there but your not comparing like with like.


Lets not play the fools here....deep down we all know its the case and we all know why she is'nt there....and as I have said before she is a great athlete and seems a lovely person but she really doesnt belong there imo.

Of course boxing doesn't compare to the other sports on the list. Jeez, it takes a special kind of athlete to box. This isn't putting one foot in front of the other, pedalling non stop, swinging a golf club etc. It's boxing, and obviously there are a hell of a lot more
women into running per se. Running is a sport an able bodied person can compete in. You are not going to get thousands of women competing in boxing. It's too tough and difficult. That is why Taylor is so special. She is the p4p best all around boxer in the world

Now, I feel that Katie is simply a far more versatile and skilled athlete than any Irish woman that has been. So, to simply use as an excuse, "the sport she competes in doesnt compare to the other sports represented on that list.", doesn't cut it.

You don't think there are women all over the world training as hard as Katie to beat Katie? There are plenty from the U.S., China, France, Britain, Cuba, all of Africa, and anywhere else you can think of. Are there more women competing in boxing than Running? No, but that is because boxing is a whole league above running in so many ways, and Taylor should get extra votes because she is dominating in a sport that is so so complex and tough

peterako

04072511 wrote: »

Sonia O'Sullivan absolutely dominated her sport from 1993-1995 and was at the very top level from 1992-2002, and has won an astonishing amount of medals during her career in Olympics, World, World Cross-Country and European Championships. Not to mention all the medals she was robbed of by drug cheats (1992 and 1993).

It is truely amazing and shameful that people forget this!

Totally off topic (as thread is about Katie )....but I'm a bit confused as to:

- Which drug cheats?
- What drugs?

As an ex-sprinter/jumper (i.e. Power Athelete) I can appreciate that steriods are an issue in these events.

And I have won a lot more medals than, say..., my GAA or Rugby mates. But then I had more opportinuty/events/meets I could get them in

Are you talking about EPO or Altitude training (effects are similar if not the same).....

And if so are you saying that African atheletes are cheating because they live/train at altitude :rolleyes:

I would rate a few other Irish Athletes higher than Sonya....

Dr. Pat (dominated Hammer in the first half of the 20th Century).

Tisdale..... etc.

Sonya was lucky to be born into the Era of Grand Prix athletics....hence the opportunity to be seen more and compete more.

Sonya was physically capable of doing better, but mentally seemed to bottle it when the Olympics came along. (My opinion)

She is/was VERY good though!

But another Cork girl has the potential to outdo her if she keeps her head together...Dervla (Dearbhla?)...

On Sean Kelly, only one other cyclist has dominated Road Cycling more than Sean, and it's NOT Lance Armstrong.

Eddie Merckx.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Kelly_%28cyclist%29

And, yes, Sean was caught for doping twice. In a sport that is addicted to doping.

But Sean, was ranked Number 1 in the World for much of his career...

And this brings us back onto topic

Katie is too

But, Running Bing, you're right, Boxing is not rated here possibly for a number of reasons are more to do with society than the sport

Peter

walshb

Gabriel Szabo won Gold in Sydney just pipping Sonia for the medal and Gabriel has a dodgy question mark over her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriela_Szabo

I believe Sonia may have been hard done by here

Dearbhla will not reach the heights that Sonia did. I cannot
see that level of success reaching O'Rourke

peterako

I think we've taken a tangent off topic here.

What we're starting to talk about is:

- Which Sport is 'tougher' to be best in
- Drugs in those sports

Thanks walshb for reminding me of Szabo

What we should(?) be talkinbg about is the 'Athlete' and in this thread about Katie Taylor.

And double thanks walshb be for putting me back on track with the post before that!

Peter

walshb

Level of competition, as in amount of participants, will always be higher in Track and Field, as these disciplines are innate in mankind. I add an extra point or two to the difficulty and toughness aspect that top class boxing brings.

Now, there are field events out there that are awesome, complex and tough and difficult, but the running, as in the sprints and distance races, are not as complex or technical as boxing. That is why you will have more people participating as well. The hurdles events are quite technical and difficult

I also take into account that Katie is more utterly dominating in her field.
She has lost 1 bout in 64 I think, and she has met women from all over
the globe.

After Taylor, I would have no problem electing Sonia.

Pisco Sour

peterako wrote: »

Totally off topic (as thread is about Katie )....but I'm a bit confused as to:

- Which drug cheats?
- What drugs?

As an ex-sprinter/jumper (i.e. Power Athelete) I can appreciate that steriods are an issue in these events.

And I have won a lot more medals than, say..., my GAA or Rugby mates. But then I had more opportinuty/events/meets I could get them in

Are you talking about EPO or Altitude training (effects are similar if not the same).....

And if so are you saying that African atheletes are cheating because they live/train at altitude :rolleyes:

I would rate a few other Irish Athletes higher than Sonya....

Dr. Pat (dominated Hammer in the first half of the 20th Century).

Tisdale..... etc.

Sonya was lucky to be born into the Era of Grand Prix athletics....hence the opportunity to be seen more and compete more.

Sonya was physically capable of doing better, but mentally seemed to bottle it when the Olympics came along. (My opinion)

She is/was VERY good though!

But another Cork girl has the potential to outdo her if she keeps her head together...Dervla (Dearbhla?)...

On Sean Kelly, only one other cyclist has dominated Road Cycling more than Sean, and it's NOT Lance Armstrong.

Eddie Merckx.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Kelly_%28cyclist%29

And, yes, Sean was caught for doping twice. In a sport that is addicted to doping.

But Sean, was ranked Number 1 in the World for much of his career...

And this brings us back onto topic

Katie is too

But, Running Bing, you're right, Boxing is not rated here possibly for a number of reasons are more to do with society than the sport

Peter

Sonia was robbed of

1) Olympic Bronze in 1992 by Tatyana Samolenko, the russian silver medallist who tested positive and was banned 6 months later

2) TWO World Championship Gold Medals in 1993 by Ma's Army Chinese who were not playing by the rules. They were doped to the gills and nobody in the athletics community respect their achievements. If it wasnt for these people (who came from nowhere, and dissappeared quickly into oblivion) Sonia would have been a FIVE time WORLD Champion.

Add to that the fact she has won THREE European Titles, and an Olympic Silver.

When I talking about cheating I am talking aboute performance enhancing drugs obviously

How on earth can you say that Derval will outpass her. Thats one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

Sean Kelly wasnt caught for doping, he was cleared by the UCI on both occasions (as far as I'm aware) so if they were happy that there was nothing illegal done, then I am too.

Pisco Sour

walshb wrote: »

Gabriel Szabo won Gold in Sydney just pipping Sonia for the medal and Gabriel has a dodgy question mark over her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriela_Szabo

I believe Sonia may have been hard done by here

Dearbhla will not reach the heights that Sonia did. I cannot
see that level of success reaching O'Rourke

Lads, get over Szabo, she was cleared.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/3047351.stm

walshb

04072511 wrote: »

Sonia was robbed of

1) Olympic Bronze in 1992 by Tatyana Samolenko, the russian silver medallist who tested positive and was banned 6 months later

2) TWO World Championship Gold Medals in 1993 by Ma's Army Chinese who were not playing by the rules. They were doped to the gills and nobody in the athletics community respect their achievements. If it wasnt for these people (who came from nowhere, and dissappeared quickly into oblivion) Sonia would have been a FIVE time WORLD Champion.

Add to that the fact she has won THREE European Titles, and an Olympic Silver.

When I talking about cheating I am talking aboute performance enhancing drugs obviously

How on earth can you say that Derval will outpass her. Thats one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

Sean Kelly wasnt caught for doping, he was cleared by the UCI on both occasions (as far as I'm aware) so if they were happy that there was nothing illegal done, then I am too.

I find it extraordinary that you are slating these so called dopers, yet Kelly is 'exonerated'? Look, the biggest problem isn't drugs in sport, it's red herrings and lame excuses for the taking of drugs. There is always some ridiculous excuse.

There have been many cleared of doping offences because there was cover ups and red herrings thrown in