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Single mothers allowance and council house

  • 21-03-2009 06:03PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,176 ✭✭✭✭


    Allo'

    Question Im wondering about.

    Girl has a child and father left soon after. She now has a council house awarded to her for financial hardship.

    She is now living with her new boyfriend over 2 years or so which to be fair disqualifies her for the benefit in the first place but.......

    She is now pregnant by the new boyfriend so would not be considered a single mother at all unless of course like many couples they will just claim he does not live there and is not going to stay with her.

    What is the situation here? Will the council simply remove her from the house and give to somebody who actually is entitled to it?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    When she was given the house she met the criteria required to get a council house so they cant really take it back. Think of it this way, if you bought a ticket in a draw and won first prize you would present the ticket to claim the prize. Once the prize is handed over you no longer need the ticket and can throw it away, the prize is still yours.
    As for her claiming single mothers allowance, thats a different story. If she is living with a man she is married by common law and has to tell social welfare. They then assess them both and decide if they are entitled to social welfare.
    It surprises me to see so many people asking questions about other peoples entitlements. Do they think that by getting people knocked of the dole their own circumstances will improve?
    I once heard it said that theres two types of people in Ireland, type one will look at a big house on a hill and say 'someday Im going to have a house like that', type two will say 'look at that big house on the hill, lets burn the bas***ds out'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭axel rose


    Offy
    Are you for real? Of course reporting people falsely claiming SW will improve the situation for the majority! The same feckless losers who commit fraud and those who support them are the first to whinge when the schools are overcrowded, hospitals are crammed and taxes rise!
    For some unknown reason I cant ask for tips on burglary but this site accommodates those who advise fraud. I have questioned those a few times here but the mods never respond.

    report report report!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭chasm


    Do you know for sure that they havent informed the council that her partner is now resident in the house? Many single parents are allocated houses and then meet a new partner, who moves in-They are fully entitled to do this but they are supposed to inform the council (as are all tenants) of any changes in circumstances-which perhaps they have done.

    If she is claiming one parent family payment, whilst living with the father then as axel rose said that is fraud, which will probably be looked on more seriously than the council house side of things to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,176 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    I KNOW that she has not informed the council of the new tenant/partner but Im not asking about advice on how and when to report her.

    Im asking about her situation. If the new live in partner, who is the father of the 2nd child, is clearly living there(when the child is born) then when they tell the council will the council tell them to pack their bags?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    Berty wrote: »
    I KNOW that she has not informed the council of the new tenant/partner but Im not asking about advice on how and when to report her.

    Im asking about her situation. If the new live in partner, who is the father of the 2nd child, is clearly living there(when the child is born) then when they tell the council will the council tell them to pack their bags?

    No they wont. They might alter her rent but they cannot evict her for moving a boyfriend in.
    axel rose yes I am for real, you fail to see the bigger picture axel rose. What unmarried mothers claim from the government whether or not the claim is legitimate is a small fraction of social welfare. Most women who do claim unmarried mothers allowance do not do it to try and commit fraud, they do it to ensure their children are feed as the father of said child/children are twats that ran out on their kids. Most women that do claim when they shouldnt, dont drive BMW's, they struggle to put food in their childrens bellies. I pay taxes now, from 2005-2007 I didnt pay one cent in tax and I worked all that time. Does that make me guilty of fraud? What do you think axel rose? During that period I was a company director and as such I could claim back taxes for just about anything. I was involved with Enterprise Ireland so you can be sure my books were well audited and I was well coached by the government on how to NOT PAY TAX and all in a legal way. What money is handed out by the government to single mothers that make fasle claims is nothing in comparison to what the government write off from company directors each year. I dont support fraud axel rose but I do support my fellow human where I can, every week I pay enough tax to cover at lease one mother and child and do you know what axel rose? Im happy to do it. I dont give out about the government raising taxes, I do give out about them cutting social welfare. Their my views and its my tax money so Im entitled to them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭axel rose


    HEY MODS
    I want to break the law! I was thinking of robbing my neighbours car but apparantly I cant ask how to do that here so I will do what my 'lovely' matey here does and rip off his fellow citizen. Sooooooo
    • I dont want to pay tax anymore-how do I achieve this?
    • I want a medical card even though Im not eligible
    • Ah sure why not FIS and LPA when we are at it.
    By the way I just want to take the opportunity to bitch about how the government are a bunch of lying thieving losers. :rolleyes:

    Word to the wise Offy some people in this country contribute, some people need support and others are lying thieving wasters. Single parents who are not eligible for LPA may be eligible for FIS. There is no need for them to be on the breadline, if they cancel Sky,give up the smokes, sell the new car and stop going out. Straving children my arse! FYI I work in this field and see it regularly enough-no money for food but puffs away on fag.
    (by the way paragraphs arent taxed! :))


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,176 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    axel rose wrote: »
    (by the way paragraphs arent taxed! :))


    :D LOLZ


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    axel rose wrote: »
    HEY MODS
    I want to break the law! I was thinking of robbing my neighbours car but apparantly I cant ask how to do that here so I will do what my 'lovely' matey here does and rip off his fellow citizen.
    Thats just to childish to comment on.

    axel rose wrote: »
    • I dont want to pay tax anymore-how do I achieve this?
    • I want a medical card even though Im not eligible
    • Ah sure why not FIS and LPA when we are at it.

    Set up your own company and employ people instead of depending on people to employ you. Cant help with the medical card one, sorry. If you set up your own company and are unemployed before hand you can claim social welfare, not sure if its back to work or FIS or what but if your entitled to it then claim it, unless your worried about some people being bitter at the claims office because........well I dont know why your bitter so you can better answer that.
    axel rose wrote: »
    There is no need for them to be on the breadline, if they cancel Sky,give up the smokes, sell the new car and stop going out. Straving children my arse!
    Are you trying to suggest all people claiming LPA are smokers that go out all the time, have new cars and sky tv? I disagree with your opinion.
    axel rose wrote: »
    (by the way paragraphs arent taxed! smile.gif)
    Neither are manners, Id love to be a single mother claiming for the first time and asking your advice on filling out a form, Id say you are really helpful to citizens that are entitled to their claim. Why do you appear to hate single mothers axel rose?

    Regardless of that we live in a country where help is available for single mothers (thank god) and if they get a council house they are entitled to they can move a boyfriend in if they like. If this causes you distress take it up with a politician. They passed the laws that made these services available and as a majority of Irish people dont begrudge single mothers getting council houses and getting on with their lives the laws that provide for them remain. Period.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭axel rose


    Ah Offy!
    Either you didn't read my posts or completely missed my point.
    I have no problem with people getting and using what they are entitled to. I do however have a huge problem with scumbags/thieves/wasters claiming for entitlements that they are not eligible for. I also have an issue with the fact that the mods on this site accommodate and promote this practice. The mods on this site routinely turn a blind eye to posters who advise others to lie and claim for aid they should not get.

    Single parents, disabled and unemployed people who need aid should and do get aid. I am talking about wasters who are not eligible for LPA, who earn too much to qualify for FIS but decide that I should pay for their sky movies, their kids runners and their fags. I hate and abhor (yes abhor :p) anyone who claims any benefits they are not entitled to.

    To think that anyone who is not entitled to any benefits is forced to commit fraud to stop themselves from starving is naive at best. I honestly don't have a problem with single parents, I was just referring to that particular benefit as it was on the OP.

    Manners offy would include putting paragraphs in your posts so that they could be read easily. (BTW I have found someones sense of humour here, Is it yours?)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    axel rose wrote: »
    Ah Offy!
    Either you didn't read my posts or completely missed my point.
    I have no problem with people getting and using what they are entitled to. I do however have a huge problem with scumbags/thieves/wasters claiming for entitlements that they are not eligible for. I also have an issue with the fact that the mods on this site accommodate and promote this practice. The mods on this site routinely turn a blind eye to posters who advise others to lie and claim for aid they should not get.

    Single parents, disabled and unemployed people who need aid should and do get aid. I am talking about wasters who are not eligible for LPA, who earn too much to qualify for FIS but decide that I should pay for their sky movies, their kids runners and their fags. I hate and abhor (yes abhor :p) anyone who claims any benefits they are not entitled to.

    To think that anyone who is not entitled to any benefits is forced to commit fraud to stop themselves from starving is naive at best. I honestly don't have a problem with single parents, I was just referring to that particular benefit as it was on the OP.

    Manners offy would include putting paragraphs in your posts so that they could be read easily. (BTW I have found someones sense of humour here, Is it yours?)

    I dont have a sense of humour that Im aware of:D, manners axel rose also involves not blaming the Mods for the content of peoples posts. Perhaps I have misunderstood what you said, apologies if that be the case.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭axel rose


    Grand so Mr Offy :)
    I agree that I cant blame the mods for the content of other peoples posts but I can blame them for their tolerance of their content. For arguements sake, lets say I called you a dickhead- Id be banned or at least red carded for the content of my post- and rightly so. (assuming you are not a dickhead ;)). However it appears to be acceptable to ask and advise others to lie to the HSE and SW in order to get benefits people are not entitled to. There has never been any input from the mods in this regard, I have asked about this a couple of times but I dont get replies :(.

    (Now about my neighbours car-How do I hotwire the thing, I always wanted a 1997 Punto)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 jakey4000


    They won't kick her out of the house. To be honest you have to do a lot to be thrown out of a council house. They'll just review her rent. The rent goes up for any adults you have living with you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,916 ✭✭✭RonMexico


    Has anybody got contact details for reporting social welfare fraud?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭axel rose


    There are 2 numbers
    01-7043000 central control section

    or dedicated office
    071-9672648

    I just found a website central.control@welfare.ie

    Just to point out that you dont need to leave a name if you dont want to, they are not intimidating and just ask as for as much information as you can give.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    The Quaker Isaac Pennington wrote in 1667:
    Our life is love, and peace, and tenderness; and bearing one with another, and forgiving one another, and not laying accusations one against another; but praying one for another, and helping one another up with a tender hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭axel rose


    What in the name of good christ is that? :confused:
    Do you have the same attitude to the scumbags that would rob your house? Or is this hippy crap just for people who steal our taxes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    Live and let live. My fear about reporting a woman on lone parents/deserted wives/one parent family payment or whatever its called these days is that if the adult suffers so too will the child. Its not the childs fault if the parent is commiting fraud.
    I put myself through college on one parent family payment/back to education (only after 16 months when they finally sorted out the claim) and it wasnt easy. Try walking in someone else's shoes before you condemn them. Do you know her story for sure OP? Can you prove in court that she is commiting fraud? If your only proof is that her boyfriend has moved in with her then you have no proof.
    I spent five years in the AIT on one parent family payment/back to education, now I pay more tax every week than I got every week on social welfare, maybe it was worth the governments money to pay me social welfare for those five years? Theres two sides to every coin. I didnt have a new car, sky tv, go out all the time, etc. nor did any of the single parents in college when I was there.
    I also have a three bedroom council house, I pay €1000 per month in rent (means tested), a four bedroom private house in Athlone costs around €800 per month. I'd say it was worth the governments time to pay me one parent family payment for those few years.
    PS a single parent with three kids could expect about €550 (figures from 2005) a week from the government for going to college. They make more every week from me for that investment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭tomred1


    Offy wrote: »
    Can you prove in court that she is commiting fraud? If your only proof is that her boyfriend has moved in with her then you have no proof.

    That all the proof the case needs. What planet are you on?

    If the the person tells the council her boyfriend has moved in, then the council will review the rent and i'm sure the social welfare will find out as the council will be looking for forms to be filled out be the social welfare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭chasm


    tomred1 wrote: »
    That all the proof the case needs. What planet are you on?

    If the the person tells the council her boyfriend has moved in, then the council will review the rent and i'm sure the social welfare will find out as the council will be looking for forms to be filled out be the social welfare.

    That is slightly out of context! Offy did ask "Do you know her story for sure OP? Can you prove in court that she is commiting fraud? If your only proof is that her boyfriend has moved in with her then you have no proof."

    In other words does the op know for 100% fact that they are commiting fraud.
    They may have told the social and the council- just because they havent told the OP does not mean it isnt so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    Offy wrote: »
    Live and let live.

    Would that also apply to someone who stolen your car ?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    jhegarty wrote: »
    Would that also apply to someone who stolen your car ?
    I am anti-violence, anti-war and anti-gettingintoaflamewar so if I caught someone trying to steal my car I think I would call the guards rather than try to kill them.
    The point being the OP only knows her boyfriend moved in, the OP never said for a fact that social welfare were not informed and the OP never said they knew for a fact that the council was not informed. The question was will the council evict her because her boyfriend moved in. Based on my experience as a lone parent living in a council house the answer I give is no they will not evict her because of this. Anyone that wants to offer a different view is more than welcome to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Just_lil_ole_me


    Hiya the girl can put her new boyfriends name on the rent book and a certain amount of his income will be taken for the rent i think it's 33% i wonder if the boyfiend is working or claiming the dole because he could claim the family dole for the girl and two children.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Acoustic


    personally i dont think any woman who has a kid should be given a house , unless she's paying mortage and if her bf left then help her out

    this whole " sure have a kid the social will give you a house " attitude needs to stop , i know countless women who did this and have live in boyfriends and never intend on buying " why when they get €900-€1000 s month towards what there doing "

    yet you see countless couples buying homes and because the decline in economy you see them work 2 jobs and still lose homes while these freeloaders get to stay in homes

    that has to stop , im gonna report alot of the women i know , and polish people whom i know dont work and aint looking and yet only worked here for 6 months and still 2 years later claim benefits

    call me a RAT all you want , but if everybody did this , maybe we'd have money for the extra schools , hospitals etc

    people cop on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Just_lil_ole_me


    Acoustic wrote: »
    personally i dont think any woman who has a kid should be given a house , unless she's paying mortage and if her bf left then help her out

    this whole " sure have a kid the social will give you a house " attitude needs to stop , i know countless women who did this and have live in boyfriends and never intend on buying " why when they get €900-€1000 s month towards what there doing "

    yet you see countless couples buying homes and because the decline in economy you see them work 2 jobs and still lose homes while these freeloaders get to stay in homes

    that has to stop , im gonna report alot of the women i know , and polish people whom i know dont work and aint looking and yet only worked here for 6 months and still 2 years later claim benefits

    call me a RAT all you want , but if everybody did this , maybe we'd have money for the extra schools , hospitals etc

    people cop on




    OMG are you for real ???

    I fell pregnant on my 1st child and my partner left me and went to England leaving NO forwarding address. I had a great job and had been working for years and fully intended to go back to work, she was then born 7 weeks prem and just as my maternity leave ended she was 6 months old and taken ill with bacterial meningitis ????? She also relapsed and developed fluid on her brain so i could not go back to work as she was a full time job. How was i then supposed to get a morgage when all i was entitled to was loan parents which barley covered formula nappies transport to and from hospital don't mind anything else.

    She is fine now and i have another child who was also sick as a baby so i would not lose one precious moment with my children.

    I am in a council house and pay rent which has been done through a means test, so what's the problem??? My rent is paid the council are not losing out when my kids are old enough i fully intend to go back to work and buy the house i am in i was just lucky enough to get a first steo onto the ladder. I think everybody is entitled to that !

    Some people are genuinely in need of housing and i think your attitude is appaling!!!!


  • Posts: 3,925 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OMG are you for real ???

    I fell pregnant on my 1st child and my partner left me and went to England leaving NO forwarding address. I had a great job and had been working for years and fully intended to go back to work, she was then born 7 weeks prem and just as my maternity leave ended she was 6 months old and taken ill with bacterial meningitis ????? She also relapsed and developed fluid on her brain so i could not go back to work as she was a full time job. How was i then supposed to get a morgage when all i was entitled to was loan parents which barley covered formula nappies transport to and from hospital don't mind anything else.

    She is fine now and i have another child who was also sick as a baby so i would not lose one precious moment with my children.

    I am in a council house and pay rent which has been done through a means test, so what's the problem??? My rent is paid the council are not losing out when my kids are old enough i fully intend to go back to work and buy the house i am in i was just lucky enough to get a first steo onto the ladder. I think everybody is entitled to that !

    Some people are genuinely in need of housing and i think your attitude is appaling!!!!

    And spending the money wisely too :rolleyes:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=59124900#post59124900


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Acoustic


    im sorry to hear about your kids

    but if u have a kid , stay in ur mothers , theres alot of women ( not saying you ) have a kid so they get a house............. is that right ???

    my attitude is of 80 % peoples feelings , there just to sensitive to say it here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21 Just_lil_ole_me


    Acoustic wrote: »
    im sorry to hear about your kids

    but if u have a kid , stay in ur mothers , theres alot of women ( not saying you ) have a kid so they get a house............. is that right ???

    my attitude is of 80 % peoples feelings , there just to sensitive to say it here


    My mother isn't around !

    Nah i think that circumstances should be monitored strictly and things like that take time, i think any girls out there that bring a precious life into the world just to get a house well there is something really wrong with them.

    I pay my rent in my council house and i paid tax for years i just fell into unfortunate circumstances.

    Single people on the dole also get rent allowance and your not picking on them ???? I just think that some people are genuinely in need of help with housing and i was one of them and greatly appreciate it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Acoustic


    My mother isn't around !

    Nah i think that circumstances should be monitored strictly and things like that take time, i think any girls out there that bring a precious life into the world just to get a house well there is something really wrong with them.

    I pay my rent in my council house and i paid tax for years i just fell into unfortunate circumstances.

    Single people on the dole also get rent allowance and your not picking on them ???? I just think that some people are genuinely in need of help with housing and i was one of them and greatly appreciate it.

    the difference is , there not getting €900-€1000 towards rent

    €50 a month if there lucky , but they will come down hard on everybody

    theres me , single bloke 28 mortgage and just put on a 3 day week ok

    and just because i have a house i was told today i will get €42 , now im embarrassed to be on the dole for 2 days

    is it fair you get that money and i dont ??? even though i could lose my home if i dont pay it ???

    its like rewarding people for opening their legs , pay the consequences or live up to ur actions


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭Offy


    Acoustic wrote: »
    is it fair you get that money and i dont ??? even though i could lose my home if i dont pay it ???

    its like rewarding people for opening their legs , pay the consequences or live up to ur actions

    Im sorry for your bad luck but directing anger at who you think is the problem will help no one. We set up the system we live in, we set up the housing policies the government offer to us. We voted for all of it.
    Just because you've had some bad luck doesnt give you reason to hate people that have it even harder than you. How many single mothers do you think sit at home every day minding their children because they cant get jobs?
    Hows your job going? If you lose it do you think it will be easy to get another one? Will sitting at home everyday doing nothing make you a scum-bag? It could be you sat at home reading this with no job and no sign of one and through no fault of your own.
    She got a house because she was entitled to one because we decided to vote for the politicians that made the rules about who gets council houses. The council cannot take it back because her boyfriend moved in with her. If she ever buys it off the council they will finance it and the rent she paid will (at least in part) be taken of the value of the house. Not a bad deal really just for spreading your legs is it? Makes more sense than taking out a mortgage from a bank and paying two or threes times as much for your home and running the risk of loosing it if you cant keep up the repayments. No point in hating single mothers in council houses because they use the system we all set up, thats what we set it up for.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭chasm


    Single people on the dole also get rent allowance and your not picking on them ????
    Acoustic wrote: »
    the difference is , there not getting €900-€1000 towards rent
    €50 a month if there lucky ,

    I think you will find that single people on the dole get a lot more than E50 a month!



    Single person Maximum supplement
    Dublin, Kildare and Wicklow €130 per week (Dublin and Wicklow) €120 per week (Kildare)
    Longford, Westmeath, Laois and Offaly €100 per week
    Clare, Limerick and Tipperary North €100 per week (Clare and Tipperary North) €110 per week (Limerick)
    Cavan, Monaghan, Louth and Meath €90 per week (Monaghan and Cavan) €115 per week (Louth and Meath)
    Donegal, Leitrim and Sligo €90 per week (Donegal and Leitrim) €100 per week (Sligo)
    Carlow, Kilkenny, Waterford, Wexford and Tipperary South €115 per week
    Galway, Mayo and Roscommon €115 per week
    Cork and Kerry €100 per week (Kerry) €115 per week (Cork)


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