light welterweight Manny Pacquiao

blackgold>>

Im not sure how this works might be a silly question.
But how did he become ranked no 1 in that weight class?

walshb

I don't know where you got those ratings from:

http://www.fightnews.com/?page_id=55

Scroll down to the Light Welter section:

Pac is getting a shot at the title; that doesn't mean he's world rated!

Fightnews rate him 1, even ahead of Hatton, who holds no belt.
Their rating are not official!

blackgold>>

I went onto boxrec and it showed him ahead of hatton.

Big Ears

blackgold>> wrote: »

I went onto boxrec and it showed him ahead of hatton.

They're computerised rankings and in no way official. In truth they shouldn't be ranking Pacquiao at Light-Welterweight as he's never fought there but people were complaining about him being ahead of Margarito in the Welterweight rankings and considering boxrec weren't going to change their system for that they decided to just move Pacquiao down to Light-Welterweight.

Richard Hatton is the Light-Welterweight champion of the World. Emmanuel Pacquiao is a more than worthy contender, and possibly the best contender at the weight which will make for a great fight.

blackgold>>

I was wondering how they had him there.As you said it's not a great way of doing it really.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Richard Hatton is the Light-Welterweight champion of the World. Emmanuel Pacquiao is a more than worthy contender, and possibly the best contender at the weight which will make for a great fight.

As far as I am aware he has no OFFICIAL title; the RING see him as the champion of the 140 lb weight class, but the RING, like boxrec, is not
official.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

As far as I am aware he has no OFFICIAL title; the RING see him as the champion of the 140 lb weight class, but the RING, like boxrec, is not
official.

Correct the Ring means nothing, just like the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO.

But just like in the old days when several men held claims to being World champion(much like the belt holders nowdays), eventually over time one man would distinguish himself as champion, and the man that would beat him would inherit his title if the fight was fought at that weight.

Kostya Tszyu distinguished himself as Light-Welterweight champion of the World and he lost that title to Ricky Hatton in 2005. Hatton is still the Light-Welterweight champion of the World and has defended his title 5 times aswell as having 2 fights at the weight above.

He is the Champion of the World and no sanctioning body can change that, Manny Pacquiao however can.

Unless you'd prefer to recognise Juan Urango, Andreas Kotelnik, Kendall Holt and Tim Bradley as champion of the World(but how can you have 4 , afterall only one person could be 'World Champion') ?

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

Correct the Ring means nothing, just like the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO.

But just like in the old days when several men held claims to being World champion(much like the belt holders nowdays), eventually over time one man would distinguish himself as champion, and the man that would beat him would inherit his title if the fight was fought at that weight.

Kostya Tszyu distinguished himself as Light-Welterweight champion of the World and he lost that title to Ricky Hatton in 2005. Hatton is still the Light-Welterweight champion of the World and has defended his title 5 times aswell as having 2 fights at the weight above.

He is the Champion of the World and no sanctioning body can change that, Manny Pacquiao however can.

Unless you'd prefer to recognise Juan Urango, Andreas Kotelnik, Kendall Holt and Tim Bradley as champion of the World(but how can you have 4 , afterall only one person could be 'World Champion') ?

So, by that logic, what will Dunne be if he wins tomorrow?

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

So, by that logic, what will Dunne be if he wins tomorrow?

A very good contender for the Super-Bantamweight championship of the World held by Israel Vasquez. Which considering Super-Bantamweight is the toughest division in boxing is no mean feat.

Fellow strong contenders include Celestino Caballero, Juan Manuel Lopez, Rafael Marquez, Daniel Ponce De Leon, Ricardo Cordoba(win or lose), poonsawat Kratingdaengym and Johnny Gonzalez.

With the likes of very good fighters such as Steve Molitor, Antonio Escalante, Toshiaki Nishioka among many other on the fringes.
There's so much depth to this division it's unbelievable.

walshb

So Dunne is a very good contender?

How's that? He's not even world rated.
A very good contender is a man at least ranked top ten
overall.

IMO, they can't all be very good contenders.
Prove it first with a win over a top ten fighter!

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

So Dunne is a very good contender?

How's that? He's not even world rated.
A very good contender is a man at least ranked top ten
overall.

IMO, they can't all be very good contenders.
Prove it first with a win over a top ten fighter!

lol, you asked me if he wins........the answer was presuming he won

If he lost then he's well below the likes of Escalante and even lower fighters(eg Looknongyangtoy or Munroe)

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

lol, you asked me if he wins........the answer was presuming he won

If he lost then he's well below the likes of Escalante and even lower fighters(eg Looknongyangtoy or Munroe)

Correct. I need to slow down!

fasterkayote_

pacquiao on hatton? it will be a masscre. will be worst than pacman did to de la hoya.

foams

fasterkayote_ wrote: »

pacquiao on hatton? it will be a masscre. will be worst than pacman did to de la hoya.

sorry but you have this all wrong. Hatton will have had an eight week training
camp with floyd snr. and will be too strong for pacman, time will tell.

All_in_Flynn

foams wrote: »

sorry but you have this all wrong. Hatton will have had an eight week training
camp with floyd snr. and will be too strong for pacman, time will tell.

I agree.

I think Hatton is the best in the world at this weight and probably the strongest. Hatton will be too big and strong for Manny and I can see him stoping him in the 4th or 5th.

Really looking forward to this fight, I love both fighters.

fasterkayote_

what did hatton proved recently ,be beaten by may weather, and has he fought any strong champion to get his record. in contrast pacquiao stopped barrera diaz marquez and de la hoya .those are world class boxers.pacmans experience,speed and strenght will cut hatton to pieces hatton may need an ambulance at the end...

fasterkayote_

oh btw i forgot morales as well. if anyone here have seen pacquiao's previous fight theyll know what im saying here.do you feel me brothers?

fasterkayote_

On May 2nd, after a negotiation process that would make the writers of “Days Of Our Lives” proud, Manny “Pac Man” Pacquiao and Ricky “Hit Man” Hatton will stand in the ring and we, along with them, will hear those words. After months of anticipation it will all come down to this; two warriors in the ring and the opening bell just moments away.
Before that bell rings let’s go “ringside” for color commentary and background on how this fight was made, the tale-of-the-tape for the two fighters, and a look ahead to what may transpire in that ring once the bell sounds.
Pacquiao vs. Hatton was officially signed, sealed, and delivered in late January after an on again-off again negotiating process involving PPV splits and purse guarantees. The original deal called for a 50-50 split of the PPV revenues. That was rejected outright by Pacquiao, who demanded 60-40 plus a guaranteed purse. After missing several signing deadlines and the fight being called off at one point, Manny agreed to a 52-48 PPV split with a $12 million purse guarantee. The fight is being promoted by Bob Arum’s Top Rank in association with Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions.
Manny Pacquiao enters the fight as the challenger, coming off a year reminiscent of what Henry Armstrong accomplished in a nine month period in 1937-38. Fighting in three different weight classes in three fights, Pacquiao won two world titles, in the Junior Lightweight and Lightweight divisions, and defeated Oscar De La Hoya at welterweight. Manny opened his 2008 campaign in March by winning the WBC Junior Lightweight title via 12 round decision over Juan Manuel Marquez. Next, in his debut fight at Lightweight he captured the WBC Title with a knockout victory over defending champion David Diaz. Pacquiao staked his claim to the title of 2008’s Fighter of the Year on December 6 with a dominant performance in stopping De La Hoya in 8 one-sided rounds, jumping over the 140 pound junior welterweight division to compete at 147.
Hatton, hailing from Manchester, England, is recognized by Ring Magazine as the lineal Junior Welterweight Champion, and will be the defending IBOCchampion, a title he won by defeating Juan Urango in 2007. Hatton is 2-1 in his last 3 fights, dating back to December, 2007 and his 10 round TKO loss to Floyd Mayweather, JR., in a battle for the WBC Welterweight Title. Since then the Hit Man has defeated Juan Lazcano by near shut out 12 round decision, and, in his most recent fight in November 2008 he soundly defeated Paulie Malignaggi, stopping the Magic Man in the 11th round.
Looking at the Tale of the Tape now, Hatton enters the ring with a professional record of 45-1, 32 KO’s. His height is listed at 5’7 ½” with a reach of 65.” It is expected Hatton will weigh-in between 139 and 140 lbs, his usual fighting weight.
Pacquiao’s professional record is 48-3-2, 36 KO’s. The Pac-Man stands in at 5’ 6 ½” and has a reach of 67.” His weight will remain a mystery until he steps on the scales, having never fought in the junior welterweight division before. Pacquiao weighed 129 for his March 2008 fight with Marquez, and as much as 142 in December for the super fight with Oscar De La Hoya. This fight will mark the fourth different weight division in which he has competed in as many fights.
Examining the numbers, Hatton will have a one inch height advantage, but Pacquiao will have a 2” advantage in reach. This is significant because Pacquiao likes to stay outside using his jab as a measuring stick, then his quickness to jump in with fast but powerful combinations. Conventional wisdom says that Hatton will be the stronger of the two at the 140 pound weight class, but if recent history has shown us anything it is that conventional wisdom goes out the window once the bell rings. Antonio Margarito was supposed to be the stronger of the two when he faced Sugar Shane Mosley on January 24, yet it was Mosley who easily pushed Margarito off at times in the fight and soundly defeated the WBA Welterweight champion. Before that, it was Manny Pacquiao who was supposed to be a near ‘sacrificial lamb’ to the bigger, stronger Oscar De La Hoya. However, boxing fans all saw what occurred there as the Pac-Man dominated the Golden Boy.
Looking at their respective records it can be stated with relative authority that Pacquiao has faced a better class of opposition than has Hatton. While the two share no common opponents with which to compare their performances, Pacquiao has faced the likes of Erik Morales (three times), Juan Manuel Marquez (twice), Marco Antonio Barrera (twice), as well as David Diaz and Oscar De La Hoya. Hatton’s record consists of only two huge names; Kostya Tszyu, whom Ricky stopped in 11 rounds in perhaps his finest performance, and Floyd Mayweather, JR., whom Hatton was stopped by in 10 rounds. Other names appearing on the Hit Man’s record include Juan Urango, Luis Collazo, and Jose Luis Castillo.
And now, for the fight itself. Once the bell rings there is a boxing axiom that while at times perceived as the dreaded “conventional wisdom” is one that history shows holds true, and that is: “speed kills.” Pacquiao will attempt to use his speed from the outset, setting a blistering pace and scoring with lightning fast
Combinations, while avoiding return fire from Hatton. Hatton meanwhile, will be attempting to come forward, pressing the attack, crowding the ever moving Pacquiao, hoping to force him into exchanges where the Hit Man can do damage. How Hatton goes about this may be the yardstick of his potential success or failure on this night. Ricky must not be preoccupied with landing shots to the head. He must be content to land as he can to the body in those moments when Pacquiao comes inside looking to land fast combinations. Hatton is a terrific body puncher and he must bring that talent to bear on Pacquiao if he has any hopes of success. Further, Hatton must not come straight in and straight up or he will be mere cannon fodder for Pacquiao’s pinpoint punches. The Hit Man must present angles to Pacquiao, making himself a difficult target and perhaps making Pac Man miss thus setting up the opportunity to “make him pay” as they say in boxing vernacular.
In studying the one fight that may be the closest to what we can expect on May 2 it can be found that Floyd Mayweather, JR., a speedster with fast hands like Pacquiao had much success in landing a left hook as Ricky came forward. Mayweather also was able to land straight right leads on Hatton even early in the fight when Hatton was having some measure of success. However, in that fight Hatton was always appearing to be leading for the head, a mistake as outlined earlier. He must go to the body in hopes of slowing Pacquiao down, an investment that could pay dividends even in this troubled economy if the fight gets into the later rounds.
Hatton’s penchant for cutting is troubling at best in this fight. Pacquiao’s sharp punching will undoubtedly bring forth the flow of blood from Ricky. Hatton is used to this, so his dealing it with it is not a concern, and his corner has proven skillful in keeping the cuts under control. But Pacquiao has shown in the past that he possesses a great killer instinct and is a terrific finisher. If he sees blood, he will attack it and continue to land on the area.
Another troubling aspect of the fight for Hatton is his seeming inability to ‘change up’ or adapt as the fight progresses. Against Mayweather, he was getting hit with the same punches over and over again because he came in the same way every time. In fact, as that fight wore on Hatton stopped moving his head all together and came straight in, again a big mistake as outlined previously. Like Mayweather, Pacquiao will find his niche; that punch that keeps working for him and he will land it as often as the opening presents itself. In this case, given that Pacquiao is a southpaw, it may indeed be the left hook. But in recent fights as Pacquiao has shown improvement in almost every aspect of his style he has become a much better right hand puncher as well. Thus, the straight right is not out of the question for Manny to land with authority as Mayweather did.
The final kink in Ricky Hatton’s armor, and the one that may prove the most
damaging in his quest to defeat the ‘Pound For Pound King’ Manny Pacquiao can be seen in Hatton’s last two fights, against Lazcano and Malignaggi. While seemingly dominant in both fights, Hatton appeared slower of both hand and foot. Perhaps Ricky is showing the wear of too many wars. Perhaps it is the effects of his infamous between fight weight gains. In either case, if he cannot catch Pacquiao with punches or move fast enough to cut off the ring then all will be lost.
Pacquiao, for his part, must attempt to keep the fight in the center of the ring,
something Mayweather did not do effectively. The key to this for Pacquiao will be his foot speed and constant punching. He must keep Hatton turning, off balance and unable to mount an offense. If need be Pacquiao can tie up the rushing Hit Man much as Sugar Shane Mosley did against Antonio Margarito; never allowing the “Tijuana Tornado” to ratchet up his attack.
If Pacquiao is successful in exploiting the weaknesses of Ricky Hatton, and if he punches with the same authority he displayed against De La Hoya, then I see this fight ending inside of nine rounds with Hatton bloodied, dropped, and stopped.

to the moderators this was taken from one of pacquiao's game anlalysis website. pls delete this if this is not allowed..

All_in_Flynn

fasterkayote_ wrote: »

what did hatton proved recently ,be beaten by may weather, and has he fought any strong champion to get his record. in contrast pacquiao stopped barrera diaz marquez and de la hoya .those are world class boxers.pacmans experience,speed and strenght will cut hatton to pieces hatton may need an ambulance at the end...

Iv seen all the fights you have mentioned above. There is no doubt that Manny is the more talented boxer but his talent will be nullified by hattons power and strength in this one.

You can not take anything from the Dela Hoya fight as quite simply the man was a shadow of his former self. Hatton would of stopped him in 2 rounds imo!

Hatton has fought and dismantled Castillo who took Mayweather very close and he beat a legend in kostya Tszyu! Granted, Manny has a much more distinguished C.V. but it really gets under my skin when people claim Hatton has fought nobody of note.

Im very confident that Hatton is going to stop him inside 6 rounds. I just think that this weight will be too much for Manny considering the strength of Hatton at the weight.

Prediction: Manny is dropped in the 5th after body shot and ref waves it off!

fasterkayote_

previous post deleted...as i started anew.
Apologies to the MODS.

fasterkayote_

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Iv seen all the fights you have mentioned above. There is no doubt that Manny is the more talented boxer but his talent will be nullified by hattons power and strength in this one.

You can not take anything from the Dela Hoya fight as quite simply the man was a shadow of his former self. Hatton would of stopped him in 2 rounds imo!

Hatton has fought and dismantled Castillo who took Mayweather very close and he beat a legend in kostya Tszyu! Granted, Manny has a much more distinguished C.V. but it really gets under my skin when people claim Hatton has fought nobody of note.

Im very confident that Hatton is going to stop him inside 6 rounds. I just think that this weight will be too much for Manny considering the strength of Hatton at the weight.

Prediction: Manny is dropped in the 5th after body shot and ref waves it off!

like what you said Sir 2nd round, however pacquiao cut off hatton into pieces even humpty mayweather sr coudnt put him together again. what a very big shame on hatton he didnt apologise to the thousands of brits who supported him...now do you have faith for pacquiao or would you call it a sheer luck...for us Filipinos we call it God's gracious Blessing...BRING it on to mayweather.......

joepenguin

fasterkayote_ wrote: »

10 of my mates gathered in 1 house with their familys and most with children, subscribed to sky PPV and set up a hi def projector with bose sound set up. have some hennesy, bud and loads of barbeque and squid, waited for all those pre fights until time came its hatton pacman time. breathless with anticipation didnt know what to expect. round one came box here jab there grab here. our pacman did it in style with awe and strenght just like the brits SAS speed agression surprise.......hatton received a connection from the right of pacman, stumbles. hatton being a valiant english gentleman gathered his composure carried on the fight with his in mind OMG just like nike cry JUST DO IT.....2nd round came a minute a second came just like anyone would have done it, once you sense your enemy is weak.. cut him here there and everywhere. poor hatton has been outclassed by mayweather now MOLESTED by a Filipino third world box fighter named PACMAN. who would expect this..pacman mostly fought in the vegas very unknown in the europe arena, where as hatton from manchester was the fighter of choice. i couldnt blame them the nation the pride the unity...i would have done the same..but Sir reality sits in..hatton couldnt take pacmans jab and strike..Ladies and gentleman its been a pleasure to post here being proud, being Filipino, being pro pacquiao...

Its a night to remember for us all but that must have been unbelieveable for you guys. I hope Pacquiao can take it all the way now and do a number on Mayweather.

eagle eye

fasterkayote_ wrote: »

like what you said Sir 2nd round, however pacquiao cut off hatton into pieces even humpty mayweather sr coudnt put him together again. what a very big shame on hatton he didnt apologise to the thousands of brits who supported him...now do you have faith for pacquiao or would you call it a sheer luck...for us Filipinos we call it God's gracious Blessing...BRING it on to mayweather.......

The guy was ko'd, out cold and you expect him to stand in front of a mic and start talking after it. :rolleyes:

Johnduddy

eagle eye wrote: »

The guy was ko'd, out cold and you expect him to stand in front of a mic and start talking after it. :rolleyes:

The mans obviously delirious after a stunning performance, respect to him, no point in picking holes in his rant

Rickard

fasterkayote_ wrote: »

like what you said Sir 2nd round, however pacquiao cut off hatton into pieces even humpty mayweather sr coudnt put him together again. what a very big shame on hatton he didnt apologise to the thousands of brits who supported him...now do you have faith for pacquiao or would you call it a sheer luck...for us Filipinos we call it God's gracious Blessing...BRING it on to mayweather.......

I'm part filipino but as Roach said, I don't think God is concerned about a boxing fight nor is he concerned about saving the queen or hatton.