I LUV VAN HALEN

brendansmith

Always stayed away from them, thought they were real sh1t but lately i find i can get enough of them.

*The terrible lyrics
*the upbeat songs
*the incredible, original guitar riffs and solos :eek::eek::eek:


Songs like humans being, dance the night away, running with the devil. Amazing.

If only there wasnt so many egos competing on the same stage, I know they are touring but that could fall through at any moment.

Anyone else wanna say anything?

ShawnRaven

Humans Being was bloody terrible, it was done with a very reluctant Sammy Hagar on board who initially rejected it for a greatest hits compilation in 96 (although it ended on it anyway) and was done for the Twister soundtrack.

It's often considered the blasting cap for the band exploding later that year, although the two Van Halen brothers didn't exactly help with the whole Roth in for a couple of songs idea.

They are touring but they're a shell of their former selves, Eddie's son, Wolfgang is miming the bass over Alex's recording and Roth, good as he was, isn't 24 anymore.

Worth going through their stuff up til Balance, steer well clear from Van Halen III where Gary Cherone tried to be the second coming of DLR...

... and failed miserably!

Grid.

talk of them co-headlining with G'N'R for upcoming gigs, says Classic Rock?

nyarlothothep

The Jump video is funny. More bands should do that now, giving thumbs up to the camera and grinning cheesily

g5fd6ow0hseima

Kings of cheese

Nea

Whoa, whoa, whoa Jamie's Cryin'

That is all

mike65

Thier best is teh win, thier worst is awful!

So here's a cracker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySoUc7-Tv80

ShawnRaven

Gridlock wrote: »

talk of them co-headlining with G'N'R for upcoming gigs, says Classic Rock?

If you've heard recent live Van Halen, it would put you off going to see GNR.

grames_bond

to quote bowling for soup's song 1985:

wheres the miniskirts made of snake skin,
and who's that other guy singing in van halen?!

ShawnRaven

grames_bond wrote: »

to quote bowling for soup's song 1985:

wheres the miniskirts made of snake skin,
and who's that other guy singing in van halen?!

To be fair, I liked Sammy Hagar in Van Halen, i think he did a much better job of the vocals. He didn't have the presence of DLR, but he and Eddie definitely connected a lot better, and it worked as a better song writing partnership. After all, you can only sing about getting bombed and laid so many times.

I also think Balance was highly underrated and badly promoted in 1995 too. Of course, a Rock Band getting haircuts in the mid 90s generally is a putoff for promotion. Ask Metallica.

brendansmith

ShawnRaven wrote: »

If you've heard recent live Van Halen, it would put you off going to see GNR.

And If you've seen recent GNR, it would put you off going to hear live Van Halen.

ShawnRaven

brendansmith wrote: »

And If you've seen recent GNR, it would put you off going to hear live Van Halen.

I did see them in 2006, and i'd easily go again. At least Axl still has his voice. Roth is bloody terrible now.

Nice try though, check.

brendansmith

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I did see them in 2006, and i'd easily go again. At least Axl still has his voice. Roth is bloody terrible now.

Nice try though, check.

Roth never had a great voice in fairness. Eddie is the star and Roth is a nice bonus. The kid is a bit of a buzz kill alright.

Axl on the otherhand is just touring with a GNR covers band minus the singer.

ShawnRaven

brendansmith wrote: »

Roth never had a great voice in fairness. Eddie is the star and Roth is a nice bonus. The kid is a bit of a buzz kill alright.

Roth never had a great voice, but he was able to use it to the best of his ability, unfortunately that ran out many years ago. And Eddie's been a miserable git since his false hip in 1995.

Axl on the otherhand is just touring with a GNR covers band minus the singer.

Have you actually seen them live? Or are you just repeating off what the "Internet sayz?"

grames_bond

ShawnRaven wrote: »

To be fair, I liked Sammy Hagar in Van Halen, i think he did a much better job of the vocals. He didn't have the presence of DLR, but he and Eddie definitely connected a lot better, and it worked as a better song writing partnership.

ah yeah i liked sammy too, i just think thats a catchy lyric! but i think in a front man, presence can at times be more important than pure vocals ya kno?

ShawnRaven wrote: »

After all, you can only sing about getting bombed and laid so many times.

someone better tell motley crue!! :pac:

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Of course, a Rock Band getting haircuts in the mid 90s generally is a putoff for promotion. Ask Metallica.

its like samson...should neevr have gotten a hair cut!!

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I did see them in 2006, and i'd easily go again. At least Axl still has his voice..

totally agree, twas a brilliant gig imo and i was amazed at how good axls voice was.....and that he came on bang on time!!

ShawnRaven

grames_bond wrote: »

but i think in a front man, presence can at times be more important than pure vocals ya kno?

Not when you're listening to CDs or mp3's.

someone better tell motley crue!! :pac:

They'll be in zimmerframes still talking about taking walks on the wild side!

its like samson...should neevr have gotten a hair cut!!

Read an interview on him at the time, he was extremely depressed at the time, f*cked off home in the middle of a TV appearance and shaved it all off.

totally agree, twas a brilliant gig imo and i was amazed at how good axls voice was.....and that he came on bang on time!!

Too bad the same couldn't be said for Bumblefoot's guitar playing. Nothing was on time there at all!!

nyarlothothep

mike65 wrote: »

Thier best is teh win, thier worst is awful!

So here's a cracker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySoUc7-Tv80

I've never heard that song before but its a classic already. Can't get it out of my head. The production is excellent, I like the use of reverb and eq, there's a very crisp fresh sound on the tracks. The guitar playing is assured and fluid and the vocal delivery is both melodic and has character. I mean this trumps 99% of mainstream rock/pop today.

ShawnRaven

nyarlothothep wrote: »

I've never heard that song before but its a classic already. Can't get it out of my head. The production is excellent, I like the use of reverb and eq, there's a very crisp fresh sound on the tracks. The guitar playing is assured and fluid and the vocal delivery is both melodic and has character. I mean this trumps 99% of mainstream rock/pop today.

Yep, it's also a tune that saw a court case at the end of the 80s after Tone Loc had sampled part of the guitar riff for Wild Thing, without permission. Eddie won the case and later pressings of the album credited Eddie in the song.

StormWarrior

I absolutely love DLR, I have this video:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/David-Lee-Roth-VHS/dp/6302374340/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1237671123&sr=8-6
and it is awesome, it has some of his music videos and interviews, and it is full of multicoloured spandex, big hair, funny costumes, silly dancing, and total cheesiness. I think VH with Sammy were rubbish, Dave was by far the best. Disappointingly though, I saw Dave live in 2003 and he seemed like he didn't really want to be doing it any more, his heart wasn't in it. He is a paramedic now apparently!

ShawnRaven

StormWarrior wrote: »

He is a paramedic now apparently!

When he's not touring with the Van Halens

nyarlothothep

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Yep, it's also a tune that saw a court case at the end of the 80s after Tone Loc had sampled part of the guitar riff for Wild Thing, without permission. Eddie won the case and later pressings of the album credited Eddie in the song.

Strangely enough I find the production, mix and mastering far better than a lot of whats out there atm. The guitars for example Opeths Blackwater Park are too compressed for my liking and tend to muddle into each other, granted there is a lot more layering. When I contrast it to this song, I prefer the clarity of the mix.

brendansmith

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Have you actually seen them live? Or are you just repeating off what the "Internet sayz?"

Yeah I saw them in 2006, same concert as you. I heard the Christina Agularas 'I am beautiful' played as a guitar solo and I saw a bunch of strangers playing the GNR songs while Axl sang over them.

Meh

Chuchu

Ah now the bauld VH... this is a great thread... early VH for me all the way... Unchained... kicking song and Panama is one of the best rock songs ever written and great to drive to with the windows down on a sunny day... but have any of you seen any of the really early interviews with Lee Roth?? Too funny, he is bloody priceless... here's a particularly funny one from 1981:

ShawnRaven

brendansmith wrote: »

Yeah I saw them in 2006, same concert as you. I heard the Christina Agularas 'I am beautiful' played as a guitar solo and I saw a bunch of strangers playing the GNR songs while Axl sang over them.

Meh

Problem is they weren't a bunch of strangers. And if you knew your music, you'd have heard of most of them. They weren't the Illusion line up, but if you were expecting anything else before you bought the ticket, then you're off your rocker.

grames_bond

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Problem is they weren't a bunch of strangers. And if you knew your music, you'd have heard of most of them. They weren't the Illusion line up, but if you were expecting anything else before you bought the ticket, then you're off your rocker.

spot on!

and did you know that a few of those "strangers" were touring musicians with gnr during the illusion tours! so they know their stuff!

so exactly who is in the current Van halen lineup?

ShawnRaven

grames_bond wrote: »

spot on!

and did you know that a few of those "strangers" were touring musicians with gnr during the illusion tours! so they know their stuff!

so exactly who is in the current Van halen lineup?

At present the Van Halen line up is.

David Lee Roth - Vocals
Eddie Van Halen - Guitars
Alex Van Halen - Drums
Wolfgang Van Halen - "Bass"

(bass is quoted as it's been reported several times that Wolfie is really only miming the bass over a set of Michael Anthony dubs)

Ger8150

Nice to see DLR back with Van Halen but its too little too late, should have done it in 1996. Now that would have been HUGE.

Love the early stuff, Aint Talkin About Love, Panama, Unchained. Not really too gone on the "Van Hagar" era.

David Lee Roth all the way for me on this one.

brendansmith

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Problem is they weren't a bunch of strangers. And if you knew your music, you'd have heard of most of them.

Completely irrelevant. They weren't gnr.

ShawnRaven wrote: »

They weren't the Illusion line up, but if you were expecting anything else before you bought the ticket, then you're off your rocker.

I went to see Axl, ive been a big fan of gnr for decades and if i cant see the whole band i was willing to just see axl, now that thats done I dont feel the need to massage his ego and pretend that gnr are still touring and making great music because lets face it.They are not.

ShawnRaven

brendansmith wrote: »

Completely irrelevant. They weren't gnr.

Strictly your opinion, several others disagree too.

I went to see Axl, ive been a big fan of gnr for decades and if i cant see the whole band i was willing to just see axl, now that thats done I dont feel the need to massage his ego and pretend that gnr are still touring and making great music because lets face it.They are not.

Again, strictly your opinion, which several others disagree with too.

brendansmith

The fact that axl is the only existing member is hardly 'strictly my opinion' apart from dizzy of course.

Go ahead type gnr into google images search and see what comes up. You guessed it my opinion is right there too.:D:D:D

grames_bond

brendansmith wrote: »

The fact that axl is the only existing member is hardly 'strictly my opinion'.

*cough* dizzy reid *cough* (was in the illusion line up!)

ShawnRaven

brendansmith wrote: »

The fact that axl is the only existing member is hardly 'strictly my opinion' apart from dizzy of course.

Go ahead type gnr into google images search and see what comes up. You guessed it my opinion is right there too.:D:D:D

Times have changed, move on rather than mulling over one lineup that lasted pissing time and created one album.

Life's too short, build a bridge or something.

brendansmith

Tbh GNR have lost the magic. The Chinese Democracy sold on the strength of AOD and UYI 1 & 2 and anyone ive talked to says it was a disappointment.

The next album would want to be amazing to spark any interest imo.

On topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFUVmLVqRzc

Class song

Motley Crue

grames_bond wrote: »

*cough* dizzy reid *cough* (was in the illusion line up!)

Check lineup info here (now swap Robin Finck for DJ Ashba)
http://www.dailymusicguide.com/Features/chris_pitman_axl_rose_guns_n_roses_chinese_democracy_25112008_1631.aspx

ShawnRaven

brendansmith wrote: »

Tbh GNR have lost the magic. The Chinese Democracy sold on the strength of AOD and UYI 1 & 2 and anyone ive talked to says it was a disappointment.

I don't buy that at all. How can you say an album sold on the strength of it's predecessors when the band were as good as dormant for 15 years? Tell it like it is, the album sold because people bought it because they were interested in hearing what the hell they sounded like after such a long absence. Which brings me to the next question

If people heard Oh My God from the End Of Days sountrack and didn't like it, then why did they buy Chinese Democracy and expect it to be any different? Especially when they knew the majority of the Illusion lineup walked years earlier. If you know you're ordering the sh*t sandwich, then don't complain on how bad it tastes, simple as. It wasn't Appetite II, it wasn't Illusion III, but if you were expecting either, then you had rocks in your head.

The next album would want to be amazing to spark any interest imo.

I think it will generate interest because Chinese Democracy got slated so much that again, people are sheep and will listen to it to see if they do slide further down.

On topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFUVmLVqRzc

Class song

This i do agree with, won an MTV award that year as well if i recall correctly.

brendansmith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlX4EbY5E5U

Amazing pre-chorus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5ncwO8EB5w

Celebrate good times c'mon. Amazing song.

120_Minutes

ahh van halen. some great songs, some cack songs.

Heres one of my fave "van hagar" songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aTYp8-O96M

and for all you fighting over roth/hagar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkPuu2PAzM

Nephilim Wolf

I was never mad about the Sammy Haggar stuff, but obvisouly I love the most of the David Lee Roth stuff.

bohsmug

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Roth never had a great voice, but he was able to use it to the best of his ability, unfortunately that ran out many years ago. And Eddie's been a miserable git since his false hip in 1995.



Have you actually seen them live? Or are you just repeating off what the "Internet sayz?"

Right back at you sir. Have you seen Van Halen recently?
Best gig of my life 23rd May last year, Madison Square Garden, Van ****ing Halen! Roth was awesome as was Eddie. I was at the side of the stage, 5 seats up on Wolfies side. I'm telling you he was playing. That miming stuff is bull****.

It's Roth for me anyway. Don't really have any time for Van Hagar but Poundcake is a great song. Chickenfoot sound decent too.

Dave's vocals from Runnin' with the Devil; http://www.thetyser.com/

ShawnRaven

bohsmug wrote: »

Right back at you sir. Have you seen Van Halen recently?
Best gig of my life 23rd May last year, Madison Square Garden, Van ****ing Halen! Roth was awesome as was Eddie. I was at the side of the stage, 5 seats up on Wolfies side. I'm telling you he was playing. That miming stuff is bull****.

It's Roth for me anyway. Don't really have any time for Van Hagar but Poundcake is a great song. Chickenfoot sound decent too.

Dave's vocals from Runnin' with the Devil; http://www.thetyser.com/

I haven't personally, although I know about five personal friends who did. And they're not Hagar disciples or anything.
I like both eras myself personally. I think one could do with the other failed miserably. Hagar has the voice but his stage presence is somewhat bland. Roth ain't much of a vocalist, but you're guaranteed an awesome show.

bigeasyeah

Great band.A lot of bands could learn from them too.

adox

Saw them in 84 at Castle Donnington and they were fantastic.
DLR for me all the way. Even his first solo album Eat Em And Smile is a classic.

Anyways, I`m somewhere in there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLB7g-kG-rU