saler bull

locky76

I have a angus bull for the last three years and his feet are fairly shagged at this stage, i find it hard to keep his weight under control, so i'm thinking of moving him on and upgrading to a saler bull, i'm led to believe that they are as easy calving as the angus however they produce a bigger, better coloured calf.
Is this true and what sort of price would i expect to pay for a decent saler bull?
I operate an Autumn calving herd so i won't be buying for another ~6 months.

irish_bob

locky76 wrote: »

I have a angus bull for the last three years and his feet are fairly shagged at this stage, i find it hard to keep his weight under control, so i'm thinking of moving him on and upgrading to a saler bull, i'm led to believe that they are as easy calving as the angus however they produce a bigger, better coloured calf.
Is this true and what sort of price would i expect to pay for a decent saler bull?
I operate an Autumn calving herd so i won't be buying for another ~6 months.

my brother whos a full time farmer has had 3 saler bulls running with fresian heifers and also cleaning with the cows on his dairy farm over the past number of years
he uses them because they are very easy calving , every bit as easy calving as an angus , however , i would say the calves out of dairy cows anyway are not that much better than angus , however the charectheristic that distinguishes saler cattle more than anything else are thier temperament , saler,s are extremly wild cattle , and when i say wild , they make limousins look like lambs , dont let anyone tell you any different , ignore breeders as no breeder will ever admit that his breed has flaws , especially when it comes to docility

personally i would not be a fan of the breed , the only place i believe that they excel is as a suckler cow , they have plenty of milk and due to their pelvic structure , they can calve an elephant which is why some farmers cross double muscled charolias on pure bred saler cows , the saler bullocks however are not that special , they are leggy buggers and of course very wild , in reality , they have never really caught on

djmc

My brother breeds and sells salers from what i heard they are easy calving and are have a big frame he also has arubrac had a bull until last year was the most easy calving bull i ever had his calves came on well would have more musle than salers and was very quite
I just sold him cause I was low on dairy stock and need more replacments

leg wax

locky76 wrote: »

I have a angus bull for the last three years and his feet are fairly shagged at this stage, i find it hard to keep his weight under control, so i'm thinking of moving him on and upgrading to a saler bull, i'm led to believe that they are as easy calving as the angus however they produce a bigger, better coloured calf.
Is this true and what sort of price would i expect to pay for a decent saler bull?
I operate an Autumn calving herd so i won't be buying for another ~6 months.

are you in suckling or dairy.i would prezume its dairy it all depends on what you are doing with the resulting calf this in my opinion is important before chooseing a breed

wiggy123

true..depends on the cows u have i do think--in choosing a bull...
as they will be calving the calf+rearing it!

also-as leg wax says depends on ur system..what ur goin to do with the resulting calves!

locky76

i have an autumn calving suckler herd, i've 25 cows and i am part time therefore a small live calf (hence saler or angus) is better than a mad limousine or a fine big charolais stuck coming out of the cow!

leg wax wrote: »

are you in suckling or dairy.i would prezume its dairy it all depends on what you are doing with the resulting calf this in my opinion is important before chooseing a breed

leg wax

what breed of cow do you have? most beef breeds are easily calved it just takes managment and very little time . i am part time and have my cows in calf to belgian blue,i had trouble with one cow and this was not the breeds fault it could have happened with a aberdeen. restrict diet of cow before she calves and they will spit and fart out most breeds.

wiggy123

i breed angus cattle..hav found this year--
some of the cows fire the calves to quick..ie,they never break the sack around them..

then others hav been aided...

silage quality was poor--bad round bales..but i give them flake maize+dairy nuts..about 3lb each cow-through out the winter! and they had access to mineral licks+salts

locky76

i've half bred limousines, half bred simmentals and a mix and gather of whiteheads, charolais' and anguses.
i keep them tight alright on the grazing for the months of june and july and they calve away grand to the polly, i'm just nervous to get a different breed, a lot of horror stories from lads with high mortality rates etc. etc.
cheers for the advice anyway!

leg wax wrote: »

what breed of cow do you have? most beef breeds are easily calved it just takes managment and very little time . i am part time and have my cows in calf to belgian blue,i had trouble with one cow and this was not the breeds fault it could have happened with a aberdeen. restrict diet of cow before she calves and they will spit and fart out most breeds.

leg wax

wiggy123 wrote: »

i breed angus cattle..hav found this year--
some of the cows fire the calves to quick..ie,they never break the sack around them..

then others hav been aided...

silage quality was poor--bad round bales..but i give them flake maize+dairy nuts..about 3lb each cow-through out the winter! and they had access to mineral licks+salts

wiggy are you trying to sell a bull to locky:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D

wiggy123

nope!

everyone to there own..cattle breeds--etc!

aghead

I'm actually surprised by your ignorance irish bob, i may refer you to John Shirley's article last month in the irish farming independant, "the belief that salers in ireland can be flighty, maybe their intelligence makes them wary of poor Irish stock people and it's the men rather than the cattle in ireland that need educating", quote from the article

Unrivalled calving ease 97% percent unassisted compared to angus 93%, a pelvic capacity of 12% greater on average than any other continental breed, amoungst highiest docility figures in france. We're killing full blood saler bulls for the kk italian kepak scheme under 24 months, with over 75% u grading, between 450-520 kgs carcase weights, in fact "too heavy" for such scheme. although i'm not a fan of the said bull "rio", but search volcan FR6340864030 in icbf database and your misconceptions of saler carcase traits will be addressed.

irish_bob

aghead wrote: »

I'm actually surprised by your ignorance irish bob, i may refer you to John Shirley's article last month in the irish farming independant, "the belief that salers in ireland can be flighty, maybe their intelligence makes them wary of poor Irish stock people and it's the men rather than the cattle in ireland that need educating", quote from the article

Unrivalled calving ease 97% percent unassisted compared to angus 93%, a pelvic capacity of 12% greater on average than any other continental breed, amoungst highiest docility figures in france. We're killing full blood saler bulls for the kk italian kepak scheme under 24 months, with over 75% u grading, between 450-520 kgs carcase weights, in fact "too heavy" for such scheme. although i'm not a fan of the said bull "rio", but search volcan FR6340864030 in icbf database and your misconceptions of saler carcase traits will be addressed.

before you go accusing people of ignorance , re- read my nine month old post , i refer to the saler,s pelvic structure which allows easy calving

i stand by my assertion that they are extremley wild cattle , in fact anyone ( bar breeders who will never admit thier breed is wild ) ive spoken to on the subject has entirely agreed

aghead

That the most ridiculous, ignorant statement i've read to date: "Extremely wild cattle" and i suppose limmo's are wild too yaa? sur ever red coloured breed are nuts ya? red mountbelliards? norweigan reds? red dexters? mri;s?

How can support this claim? They're are not 2500 saler females in the country but yet they're all mad, but 170,000 saler females in france prove otherwise?
Everyone you've spoken to? which comprises of who?? can you tell me why it is, that in france they are regarded as one of the most docile breeds??

We are running a 40 cow ped saler herd, along with a few charls and commercials, you or any stranger can lay your hand on every saler we possess in the field without exception. As is the case with the majority of men who keep salers, full blood or crossbreds.

Poor stockmanship, poor facilities and poorhusbandry lead to "wild" cattle, not even wild just flighty. sur with no interaction with people on an off farm for weeks if not months at time? what would you expect? Docility is less than 5% heritable so how can you justify these claims? especially with the crossbreds? as

where did you come up with "leggy buggers"? you're crossing them with holstein freisians how can you expect otherwise? from bucket reared? and not even properly finished?

saler

ah the lord what an ejit, clearly doesnt know his cattle or breeding, I have saler cattle since 1990 and never had any trouble with docility or calving, I get good prices for my weanlings and they grow and fatten well, they are much bigger cattle than the angus. You will never have hoof problems with them either as they have a dark hoof which alot of other breeds dont have. They are a great cross with the charolais or bb and have plenty of milk. If you handled your cattle more you would have no docility problems. And by the way docilty is a trait that you can select for, we have Saler cows and they would follow you around the field and the shed, get you facts right before you go mouthing off about one of the best economically viable breed of cattle in the country

leg wax

saler wrote: »

ah the lord what an ejit, clearly doesnt know his cattle or breeding, I have saler cattle since 1990 and never had any trouble with docility or calving, I get good prices for my weanlings and they grow and fatten well, they are much bigger cattle than the angus. You will never have hoof problems with them either as they have a dark hoof which alot of other breeds dont have. They are a great cross with the charolais or bb and have plenty of milk. If you handled your cattle more you would have no docility problems. And by the way docilty is a trait that you can select for, we have Saler cows and they would follow you around the field and the shed, get you facts right before you go mouthing off about one of the best economically viable breed of cattle in the country

a certain animal droppings come to mind bull :P

irish_bob

saler wrote: »

ah the lord what an ejit, clearly doesnt know his cattle or breeding, I have saler cattle since 1990 and never had any trouble with docility or calving, I get good prices for my weanlings and they grow and fatten well, they are much bigger cattle than the angus. You will never have hoof problems with them either as they have a dark hoof which alot of other breeds dont have. They are a great cross with the charolais or bb and have plenty of milk. If you handled your cattle more you would have no docility problems. And by the way docilty is a trait that you can select for, we have Saler cows and they would follow you around the field and the shed, get you facts right before you go mouthing off about one of the best economically viable breed of cattle in the country

some people are just too sensitive when it comes to other people airing thier views , if everyone thought the same , the world ( and internet forums ) would be a very boring place , as for your order that i get my facts straight , you confuse opinion with fact

i tell it as i see it , my experience with saler cattle is that they are very wild , if that isnt your experience , good for you

mossfort

there seems to be a salers breeders club getting going in the farming forum:D