The "True" Test of Strength

Jonny303

Sitting in glasgow airport at 4 this mornin, saw a big group of 12-15 year olds sitting around arm wrestling.

got me messing around with one of the lads afterwards trying to work out what really gives the power in an arm wrestle. i knw the bicep would be worked, but i can imagine it would be what gives the driving power. from messing around i thought possibly chest? i know it would be a mix of everything, bt obviously there is one main muscle group that is the centre point.


and before someone gets smart, this is not an undercover thread of "how do i win at arm wrestling":p

Hanley

Forearm, shoulder, lat and bicep strength would probably be key.

podge57

they all seem to have pretty huge forearms and biceps

they have huge hands too, but that may be because of other factors

Jonny303

now i wouldn no a huge amount about differnt arm ratios, bt to me a bicep of 60cm, i would have expected a forearm to be a bit less than 57, making me think that forearm would have a lot to do with it. yes/no?

BossArky

I was at a work event in Vienna back in summer 07. They had a lot of random stuff laid on as entertainment for the party at the end of the week long work bit.

Entertainment included a pretty big discotheque :pac: with stuff such as stilt walkers, cone-heads, chain-saw junglers (I think - maybe I was drunk?) and arm wrestling.

Anyway, the arm wrestling fellows were apparently some of the best juniors in the world. Think I arm wrestled the fellow ranked 2nd in the world...(obviously he beat me back in the days when I weighed around 70kg - he wouldn't have a chance now )

He said something about the back being important. I cannot remember if he meant my back was strong... or if I should focus on holding with the bicep and reverse curling with the back?

Anyway, I'd take him now :pac:

Hanley

It's important to remember that arm wrestling is incredibly technical. It's not just a case of smashing someones hand into the table. They tend to use their entire body as leverage!

cardio,shoot me

we can all see that from them nearly falling of the stand

amacachi

Just watch the armwrestling championships when they're on Eurosport2, the lads weight 100kg+ for a reason;)

But really, that **** ain't armwrestling, armwrestling is sittin down with your elbow on the table.

Hanley

amacachi wrote: »

Just watch the armwrestling championships when they're on Eurosport2, the lads weight 100kg+ for a reason;)

But really, that **** ain't armwrestling, armwrestling is sittin down with your elbow on the table.

So the sports governing body has got it wrong?

You might want to let them know so they don't embarrass themselves any further :rolleyes:

MagicMarker

Quality:)

amacachi

Hanley wrote: »

So the sports governing body has got it wrong?

You might want to let them know so they don't embarrass themselves any further :rolleyes:

Ah, well if someone at the top decides something then it must be right!

I'm just saying that I don't particularly like it since it's meant to be armwrestling yet seems to involve quite a few other parts of the body. Is it OK for me not to like it?

rubadub

Be careful arm wrestling with poor technique you can do serious damage, and not just when facing super strong people. There are load of arms being broken on youtube by normal people just messing about.

The Davestator

as well as bicep, the rotar cuff muscles (muscles on shoulder blade) are really important. Any muscle that rotates the humerous bone involves the rotar cuff muscles.

The Davestator

...I obviously meant 'rotator' cuff muscles.

Hanley

amacachi wrote: »

I'm just saying that I don't particularly like it since it's meant to be armwrestling yet seems to involve quite a few other parts of the body. Is it OK for me not to like it?

Of course it's ok for you not to like it. But that's not what you said....

You said "that **** isn't armwrestling". Which it clearly is...

amacachi

Hanley wrote: »

Of course it's ok for you not to like it. But that's not what you said....

You said "that **** isn't armwrestling". Which it clearly is...

In my opinion it's not armwrestling. It's called armwrestling, but it's not what I would call armwrestling, that's all.

Hanley

amacachi wrote: »

In my opinion it's not armwrestling.

I take issue with statements like that.

You can't say... "in my opinion, X is not X", basing it solely off preconceived notions of what you think it SHOULD be.

It's like me saying "in my opinion, the 100m sprint is not the 100m sprint because I disagree with the difference".

It makes no sense like.

MagicMarker

amacachi wrote: »

In my opinion it's not armwrestling. It's called armwrestling, but it's not what I would call armwrestling, that's all.

huh? ...... like..... huh?

It's not arm wrestling because they use more than just their arms? Are you seriously saying these words?

Do you like football? Because I'm sure footballers use more than just their feet.

amacachi

MagicMarker wrote: »

huh? ...... like..... huh?

It's not arm wrestling because they use more than just their arms? Are you seriously saying these words?

Do you like football? Because I'm sure footballers use more than just their feet.

Which Football? Or are you saying that Aussie Rules, American Football, Canadian Football, Rugby Union and League, Gaelic, Soccer and any other you can think of because they have the same official name?

Rugby Union isn't Rugby League, because they've different rules. That analogy clear enough?

cardio,shoot me

ive got to agree with amaachi on this one, there just leaning into it, arm wrestiling is meant to be a no leverage sport with one hand behind the back

podge57

amacachi wrote: »

Which Football? Or are you saying that Aussie Rules, American Football, Canadian Football, Rugby Union and League, Gaelic, Soccer and any other you can think of because they have the same official name?

Rugby Union isn't Rugby League, because they've different rules. That analogy clear enough?

but armwrestling is a sport.

therefore armwrestling is what happens in the sport of armwrestling

MagicMarker

amacachi wrote: »

Which Football? Or are you saying that Aussie Rules, American Football, Canadian Football, Rugby Union and League, Gaelic, Soccer and any other you can think of because they have the same official name?

Rugby Union isn't Rugby League, because they've different rules. That analogy clear enough?

But they don't have the same official name.

Rugby League is called Rugbly League,
Rugby Union is called Rugby Union,
Armwrestling is called armwrestling.

rubadub

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

arm wrestiling is meant to be a no leverage sport with one hand behind the back

"meant to be" according to who? The schoolyard bully's rulebook?

There is clearly a lot of leverage involved in the offical sport. Schoolyard/home rules are all going to vary hugely for soccer, rugby, armwrestling, pool etc -it is a lot easier if people stick to sporting body rules when discussing things. I could complain that steve davis never dropped his pants and ran round the table when his opponent got a perfect break! the fecker is not playing real pool at all.... (he does play pool BTW)

cardio,shoot me

i know who steve davis is , but it just seems that the with the "commerceliastion" of the sport, the form went to SH!T, i mean if u asked someone for an arm wrestle and they started falling of the edge of the table,ud call it cheating.

Hanley

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

just seems that the with the "commerceliastion" of the sport, the form went to SH!T

Sport evolves..... surely "sh!t" form is bad and dangerous? But "good" form allows you to use your own body in the most efficient way when performing a set task, provided it is within the rules.

So is the form in those videos sh!t or good by that criteria?

delllat

in those videos they are using the entire bodys muscle groups,along with leverage,bodyweight,momentum,technique and power

theres no point complaining that theyre using sh!t form if the rules allow all those techniques then ud be an idiot not use them (and a loser!)

even the big champion guy throws his body weight towards the floor when bring his opponents down (not using muscle alone) even while wrestling guys half his weight

shamblertine

podge57 wrote: »

they all seem to have pretty huge forearms and biceps

they have huge hands too, but that may be because of other factors

That Denis Cyplenkov dude is a monster! How can you get forearms and hands like that? Anyone know his workout routine? I searched google but couldn't find anything. Is it only possible to get like that with steroids? I seen pictures of that guy when he was younger and he was far smaller than he is now...

Also it says he is 140kg, surely not? Thats what, bout 22 stone, he only looks about 16 stone.

Transform

shamblertine wrote: »

That Denis Cyplenkov dude is a monster! How can you get forearms and hands like that? Anyone know his workout routine? I searched google but couldn't find anything. Is it only possible to get like that with steroids? I seen pictures of that guy when he was younger and he was far smaller than he is now...

Also it says he is 140kg, surely not? Thats what, bout 22 stone, he only looks about 16 stone.

You want to know his program!!!!

Like you just follow it and your going to look like him - things really do not work that way with training i.e. following a genetic freak or steroid users program is not suitable for the average trainee

shamblertine

Transform wrote: »

You want to know his program!!!!

Like you just follow it and your going to look like him - things really do not work that way with training i.e. following a genetic freak or steroid users program is not suitable for the average trainee

I know I'm never going to be his size, but I could be like him on a smaller scale if I followed his program (in terms of what exercises he does) don't you think?

I'd like my forearms to be almost as big as my upper arms, think that looks cool, so I'd like to have the same symmetry as him but on a smaller scale obviously.

Hanley

shamblertine wrote: »

Also it says he is 140kg, surely not? Thats what, bout 22 stone, he only looks about 16 stone.

You haven't met many 16 stone muscular guys have you?

I weight 17.5 stone and I'd say my upper arms are only about the size of that dudes forearms.

cardio,shoot me

Hanley wrote: »

Sport evolves..... surely "sh!t" form is bad and dangerous? But "good" form allows you to use your own body in the most efficient way when performing a set task, provided it is within the rules.

So is the form in those videos sh!t or good by that criteria?

that form is very dangerous , many people break their arms in competitive arm wrestling

Hanley

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

that form is very dangerous , many people break their arms in competitive arm wrestling

So is the form dangerous, or is the sport dangerous?

At what position on the table do you usually see peoples arms break?

Transform

emmmmmmm no that still is not going to fly.

whats your current program and stats? start with that might help to get you on the right track

kevpants

shamblertine wrote: »

That Denis Cyplenkov dude is a monster! How can you get forearms and hands like that?

Human growth hormone. In his case the side effect of massive hand growth seems to give him an edge!

shamblertine wrote: »

Anyone know his workout routine?

shamblertine wrote: »

He only looks about 16 stone.

ladowack

one of the most famous armwrestles in history (not for the faint hearted!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDrijM0H_Uc

BTW Magnus is one of only 5 who can close Coc #4, regarding arm wrestling he mentions if you can control your opponents wrist you will win.

shamblertine

kevpants wrote: »

Human growth hormone. In his case the side effect of massive hand growth seems to give him an edge!

So whats HGH, is it just a type of steroid? do you have to inject it? what are the pro's and con's of it?

podge57

shamblertine wrote: »

So whats HGH, is it just a type of steroid? do you have to inject it? what are the pro's and con's of it?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hgh

cardio,shoot me

ladowack wrote: »

one of the most famous armwrestles in history (not for the faint hearted!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDrijM0H_Uc

BTW Magnus is one of only 5 who can close Coc #4, regarding arm wrestling he mentions if you can control your opponents wrist you will win.

i was actually gonna post this link for hanley, here is where its dangerous

The Guvnor

ladowack wrote: »

one of the most famous armwrestles in history (not for the faint hearted!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDrijM0H_Uc

BTW Magnus is one of only 5 who can close Coc #4, regarding arm wrestling he mentions if you can control your opponents wrist you will win.

Within reason controlling the wrist is the absolute key.
If you can break (not literally) the opponents wrist at the start as in snap/move it back they then have no control and no leverage from which to use their strength.

Arm Wrestling is a waste of time by and large and I never give into it anymore - the chance of doing a tendon or elbow etcera is not worth it. Made all the worse IMO when you have two equally matched guys with not a lot of technique re: the wrist and the 'match' lasts a few minutes. You can see that most of the pro matches are over in seconds.

Cyplenkov is an animal. Props to the lad who thought he was 16 stone.

Hanley - upper arm, same size as his forearm - how close to the wrist are we talking mate?:D

delllat

The Guvnor wrote: »

Within reason controlling the wrist is the absolute key.
If you can break (not literally) the opponents wrist at the start as in snap/move it back they then have no control and no leverage from which to use their strength.

Arm Wrestling is a waste of time by and large and I never give into it anymore - the chance of doing a tendon or elbow etcera is not worth it. Made all the worse IMO when you have two equally matched guys with not a lot of technique re: the wrist and the 'match' lasts a few minutes. You can see that most of the pro matches are over in seconds.

Cyplenkov is an animal. Props to the lad who thought he was 16 stone.

Hanley - upper arm, same size as his forearm - how close to the wrist are we talking mate?:D

that guy could be an advert for chemical engineering ,i have never seen a natural man with arms like those,bodybuilders included

he looks dangerous though

Hanley

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

i was actually gonna post this link for hanley, here is where its dangerous

What does it proof?

The guy using what you'd call "good" form got his arm broken.

The guy using the "bad"/"dangerous" form won.

cardio,shoot me

neither of them had good form in my book as they where both leaning, but if they werent using this competitive form id say there would be less injuries.