The annoying things when Diving

donnchadhc

I'd thought I'd start this thread for people to get those annoying little diving bug bears off their chests. You know, the ones that make you wear through your mouthpiece! (and you may find an answer to a question you didn't know had an answer!)

So I'll start off, ice cream head! I hate it, espeically when your doing your pre-snorkels in Sandycove in January and your not even diving! :eek:

rediguana

When your mask keeps fogging up.

If you haven't shaved and your stubble means that water keeps getting into your mask.

When your oxygen runs down quicker than everyone elses.

How cumbersome all the equipment is to get on / off / wear.

When there are too many killer sharks around.

donnchadhc

Yeah the stubble thing is really annoying. Have you tried throwing a bit of vasoline across your 'tache? I find it works for me.

Moanin

rediguana wrote: »

When your oxygen runs down quicker than everyone elses.

What?

seadeuce

rediguana wrote: »

When your mask keeps fogging up.

If you haven't shaved and your stubble means that water keeps getting into your mask.

When your oxygen runs down quicker than everyone elses.

How cumbersome all the equipment is to get on / off / wear.

When there are too many killer sharks around.

Hmmm.....
more posts than dives methinks...

fmcc

Them killer sharks are cat,
If the gear is too cumbersome (which i think it is) then go free, get in and out quicker and see more fish.

When you are under pressure to get back and spend some time with family and your still waiting for the twat that landed at the time you were to set off instead of being ready, takes ages to get their gear on then has a problem with an o ring and needs someone else to get out of boat get keys open van find new o ring etc when you finally get off in the boat find that because of all the rushing said same person has forgotten fins/mask or such and cant dive any.

Benny-c

rediguana wrote: »

When your oxygen runs down quicker than everyone elses.

? x 2...:)

sunshinediver

rediguana wrote: »

When your mask keeps fogging up.

If you haven't shaved and your stubble means that water keeps getting into your mask.

When your oxygen runs down quicker than everyone elses.

How cumbersome all the equipment is to get on / off / wear.

When there are too many killer sharks around.

Hmmm Interesting... So do you go diving on bottles of Oxygen regularly then...??? :eek:

rahtkennades

sunshinediver wrote: »

Hmmm Interesting... So do you go diving on bottles of Oxygen regularly then...??? :eek:

Um...I'm sure that rediguana was talking about using a rebreather....right? Either that or I now understand the reason for the fear of killer sharks!

seadeuce

He's OC not RB.

On RB running down your oxygen would not apply; unless, of course, each dive was 12hrs long!

Put it down to a slip of the tongue.

Maybe a name change to Greeniguana would be more appropriate.

BTW that's one of the annoying things I find in scuba. Too many dumb posts on fora like this


Seadeuce

Scania

Diving officers are the worst pest, when it comes to diving. Frustrated traffic wardens!

donnchadhc

seadeuce wrote: »

Hmmm.....
more posts than dives methinks...

Considering he has over 1000 posts that would make him quite an experienced diver

loctite

Club politics.................
Gotta hate em... members who pretend to know it all, then head out in a boat with no fuel or in rough seas and loose 7 divers???

Pigeon Reaper

loctite wrote: »

Club politics.................
Gotta hate em... members who pretend to know it all, then head out in a boat with no fuel or in rough seas and loose 7 divers???

try to play nice. anyone can loose a diver or two once in a while.

personally I hate backscatter when trying to take a photo.

Borzoi

Indigestion - after I'm down for more than half an hour, I can be guaranteed it

Voldemort

rediguana wrote: »

When your mask keeps fogging up.

When your oxygen runs down quicker than everyone elses.

Yeah I agree with ^_____________^

rahtkennades

Pigeon Reaper wrote: »

personally I hate backscatter when trying to take a photo.

Is that when the fish make... No. 2s?! I guess that would ruin a good shot!

Pigeon Reaper

it could well be fish making number 2's. it's the reason diving camera have the flashes on the long extension arms to try and avoid the effect of the flash reflecting off all the particles(fish crap) in the water.

testicle

seadeuce wrote: »

BTW that's one of the annoying things I find in scuba. Too many dumb posts on fora like this

I see you were born a diver.

That post is not very fair on anyone. I'm sure novice divers hate the condascending attitude of certain people too.

Lobster

People who are more interested in rising up through the ranks than in actual diving. I'd prefer a well experienced buddy without a heap of qualifications anyday to a D.O with only a handfull of dives done in a few months.

The fact that the dives I don't go on end up being the best dives :mad:

And divers who use their arms to propel themselves!

mint man

Lobster wrote: »

:mad:

And divers who use their arms to propel themselves!

whats wrong with that ?
why does it bother you?
cause it doesnt look cool?
cause there not traveling along with they're arms folded?

Fluffybums

People finning over coral with all their bits and peices dangling below them and banging off the coral.

whosedaddy?

Lobster wrote: »

And divers who use their arms to propel themselves!

Those animals are called turtles... and are protected

Lobster

mint man wrote: »

whats wrong with that ?
why does it bother you?
cause it doesnt look cool?
cause there not traveling along with they're arms folded?

Because there is a good chance someone doing this will knock the regulator out of your mouth or hit you in the face, its also a waste of energy and increases air consumption.
This should be covered in training

mint man

Lobster wrote: »

Because there is a good chance someone doing this will knock the regulator out of your mouth or hit you in the face, its also a waste of energy and increases air consumption.
This should be covered in training

having the reg knocked out of your mouth is also covered in training,and if you fear this you shouldnt be in the water!
a fin could do the same .
as for a waste of energy ,hows that affect you ..it doesn't.
and yes it increases air consumption...but if the person is comfortable doing this then that's their business.
you should concentrate your diving on enjoying yourself:D

Lobster

mint man wrote: »

having the reg knocked out of your mouth is also covered in training,and if you fear this you shouldnt be in the water!
a fin could do the same .
as for a waste of energy ,hows that affect you ..it doesn't.
and yes it increases air consumption...but if the person is comfortable doing this then that's their business.
you should concentrate your diving on enjoying yourself:D

And what are the advantages? Its an unnecessary risk. But its only my opinion, I'm sure plenty of people do it without incident, I just don't like it and I try get trainees to stop doing it. Its good practice if anything.

mint man

Lobster wrote: »

And what are the advantages? Its an unnecessary risk. But its only my opinion, I'm sure plenty of people do it without incident, I just don't like it and I try get trainees to stop doing it. Its good practice if anything.

fair enough, but i dont think theres any risk really , my buddy dives like this and makes no odds to me , hes comfortable and happy and we have good dives.
i just hate when people dont like something cause its not deemed cool,and to some diving is all about image.
especially the macho men ,when i was in oz doing shallow dives and lads showing up in twinsets ,dir torches.....clowns,one of them had his jeep go on fire cause he left his torch turned on on the dash:Dlol.

Lobster

mint man wrote: »

fair enough, but i dont think theres any risk really , my buddy dives like this and makes no odds to me , hes comfortable and happy and we have good dives.
i just hate when people dont like something cause its not deemed cool,and to some diving is all about image.
especially the macho men ,when i was in oz doing shallow dives and lads showing up in twinsets ,dir torches.....clowns,one of them had his jeep go on fire cause he left his torch turned on on the dash:Dlol.

Completely with you on that one, more money than sense.

jivetalker

Lobster wrote: »

People who are more interested in rising up through the ranks than in actual diving. I'd prefer a well experienced buddy without a heap of qualifications anyday to a D.O with only a handfull of dives done in a few months.

The fact that the dives I don't go on end up being the best dives :mad:

And divers who use their arms to propel themselves!

Hi Guys, i'm the new guy. Just getting used to the whole boards concept.

Have to agree with above, i'm diving over 15 years and i'm just getting in the water to dive. No interest in rising up the ranks and getting qual's after quals. Seems like a lot of effort. And i definetly agree with an experienced dive buddy rather than the most qualified diver in the country. Less showing off and more time to just enjoy the dive

Lobster

Welcome to boards Jivetalker!

sunshinediver

jivetalker wrote: »

Hi Guys, i'm the new guy. Just getting used to the whole boards concept.

And i definetly agree with an experienced dive buddy rather than the most qualified diver in the country. Less showing off and more time to just enjoy the dive

You generally find qualifications and experience go hand in hand.

murrayp4

Borzoi wrote: »

Indigestion - after I'm down for more than half an hour, I can be guaranteed it

every time...:mad:

elcowboyspace

I got one, please tell me Im not the only one, When you spend a whole day in a cold wet suit and on the last dive the suit starts to squeeze one or more of your nuts up into your stomach and theres nothing you can do about it.

whosedaddy?

elcowboyspace wrote: »

I got one, please tell me Im not the only one, When you spend a whole day in a cold wet suit and on the last dive the suit starts to squeeze one or more of your nuts up into your stomach and theres nothing you can do about it.

TMI doesn't happen with my drysuit :rolleyes:

Scuba.ie

sunshinediver wrote: »

You generally find qualifications and experience go hand in hand.

Yea, but you do get folks that go from "zero to hero" a bit quick, in every agency...
One of my pet peeves is agency bashing, btw...

whosedaddy?

Divers that can't accept that rules, regulation and restictions might be there to protect lifes and not the hamper their deeper, longer, DCS attempts.

sunshinediver wrote: »

You generally find qualifications and experience go hand in hand.

Not necessarily... 500 dives on the Maledivs doesn't give you any experience nor "qualification" when diving in a cold and murky fresh water environement. Having obtained a particular specialty qualification X years ago, but never used it, doesn't give you much experience either....

Scania

You generally find qualifications and experience go hand in hand.

I know a two star monitor, who has never discovered what tides are all about. He goes diving without even checking a tide table and has no idea what way a tide is running or its speed. Result is he generally spend most of the dive fighting against the tide.

I had to explain to him that a tide does not change its direction on the hour of full or low tide, but different places has different time before or after when it changes.

vince

poor viz

sunshinediver

whosedaddy? wrote: »

Divers that can't accept that rules, regulation and restictions might be there to protect lifes and not the hamper their deeper, longer, DCS attempts.




Not necessarily... 500 dives on the Maledivs doesn't give you any experience nor "qualification" when diving in a cold and murky fresh water environement. Having obtained a particular specialty qualification X years ago, but never used it, doesn't give you much experience either....

totally agree, There's always exceptions. I did however say "generally". Cold water vs Warm water diving aside of course.

sunshinediver

Scania wrote: »

I know a two star monitor, who has never discovered what tides are all about. He goes diving without even checking a tide table and has no idea what way a tide is running or its speed. Result is he generally spend most of the dive fighting against the tide.

I had to explain to him that a tide does not change its direction on the hour of full or low tide, but different places has different time before or after when it changes.

You'll always get exceptions. How that guy passed his leading diver never mind M1 theory eludes me... Put him diving off the stack on irelands eye during a mid-tide spring. You'll be damn sure he'll check his tides in future, If he ever makes his way home from the Kish bank that is.

whosedaddy?

sunshinediver wrote: »

totally agree, There's always exceptions. I did however say "generally". Cold water vs Warm water diving aside of course.

I disagree - I believe that generally it doesn't go hand in hand.

Bit I also think one needs to differenciate between qualifications teaching you diving skills that can be applied to most day-to-day diving and then there are those "qualifications" that you may just never use / or in fact never really needed in the first place.... but they were cool to have.

Most divers get some qualifications at some stage, but other than that going about their normal diving, they never really use the qualifications they have obtained.. while the list of qualifications might be blinding, the reality is "generally" they wouldn't know much about it anymore...

The experience of particular environments by doing many dives far outweights the qualification they may have obtained a long time ago.

I actually prefer diving with a lesser qualified diver that knows his limitations than with a hot-shot "fill in your perferred agency hero title" that thinks he is gods gift to the dive world.

oh yes, those I-hot-shot-divers-that-have-seen-it-all,-but-bigger/better-than-you divers are really annoying too.

sunshinediver

whosedaddy? wrote: »

I disagree - I believe that generally it doesn't go hand in hand.

Bit I also think one needs to differenciate between qualifications teaching you diving skills that can be applied to most day-to-day diving and then there are those "qualifications" that you may just never use / or in fact never really needed in the first place.... but they were cool to have.

Most divers get some qualifications at some stage, but other than that going about their normal diving, they never really use the qualifications they have obtained.. while the list of qualifications might be blinding, the reality is "generally" they wouldn't know much about it anymore...

The experience of particular environments by doing many dives far outweights the qualification they may have obtained a long time ago.

I actually prefer diving with a lesser qualified diver that knows his limitations than with a hot-shot "fill in your perferred agency hero title" that thinks he is gods gift to the dive world.

oh yes, those I-hot-shot-divers-that-have-seen-it-all,-but-bigger/better-than-you divers are really annoying too.

I agree with you but I don't believe we are reading from the same page. Would I be correct in thinking you are PADI qualified and have done most of your diving in that structure?

I am a CFT diver and always have been and it was in this context that i made my statement above. The training structure within CFT is different. There is no such thing as a "wreck speciality" or "night dive speciality". As you progress thru the grades from 1* to 3* you will experience these type of dives, and anyone that's completed a 3* weekend will tell you it was a bloody tough year to get that qualification and they "generally" are quite experienced. The only "speciality" courses are DER, Cox'n, Nitrox and ER.

I certainly am not advocating one agency over another however It is my opinion that the qualifications in the CFT structure are fewer and more experienced based than many other organisations. It was coming from this background that I made the above statement.

sunshinediver

whosedaddy? wrote: »

I disagree - I believe that generally it doesn't go hand in hand.

Bit I also think one needs to differenciate between qualifications teaching you diving skills that can be applied to most day-to-day diving and then there are those "qualifications" that you may just never use / or in fact never really needed in the first place.... but they were cool to have.

Most divers get some qualifications at some stage, but other than that going about their normal diving, they never really use the qualifications they have obtained.. while the list of qualifications might be blinding, the reality is "generally" they wouldn't know much about it anymore...

The experience of particular environments by doing many dives far outweights the qualification they may have obtained a long time ago.

I actually prefer diving with a lesser qualified diver that knows his limitations than with a hot-shot "fill in your perferred agency hero title" that thinks he is gods gift to the dive world.

oh yes, those I-hot-shot-divers-that-have-seen-it-all,-but-bigger/better-than-you divers are really annoying too.

I agree with you but I don't believe we are reading from the same page. Would I be correct in thinking you are PADI qualified and have done most of your diving in that structure?

I am a CFT diver and always have been and it was in this context that i made my statement above. The training structure within CFT is different. There is no such thing as a "wreck speciality" or "night dive speciality". As you progress thru the grades from 1* to 3* you will experience these type of dives, and anyone that's completed a 3* weekend will tell you it was a bloody tough year to get that qualification and they "generally" are quite experienced. The only "speciality" courses are DER, Cox'n, Nitrox and ER.

I certainly am not advocating one agency over another however It is my opinion that the qualifications in the CFT structure are fewer and more experienced based than many other organisations. It was coming from this background that I made the above statement.

whosedaddy?

sunshinediver wrote: »

I agree with you but I don't believe we are reading from the same page. Would I be correct in thinking you are PADI qualified and have done most of your diving in that structure?

I am a CFT diver and always have been and it was in this context that i made my statement above. The training structure within CFT is different. There is no such thing as a "wreck speciality" or "night dive speciality". As you progress thru the grades from 1* to 3* you will experience these type of dives, and anyone that's completed a 3* weekend will tell you it was a bloody tough year to get that qualification and they "generally" are quite experienced. The only "speciality" courses are DER, Cox'n, Nitrox and ER.

I certainly am not advocating one agency over another however It is my opinion that the qualifications in the CFT structure are fewer and more experienced based than many other organisations. It was coming from this background that I made the above statement.

Nope, are wrong.
So for the records - Barakuda (German CMAS affiliate), SSI, PADI, TDI,... - I think I have a broad view of the underwater agencies.

... and I'm with Eoin on the agency bashing.

loctite

sunshinediver wrote: »

I agree with you but I don't believe we are reading from the same page. Would I be correct in thinking you are PADI qualified and have done most of your diving in that structure?

I am a CFT diver and always have been and it was in this context that i made my statement above. The training structure within CFT is different. There is no such thing as a "wreck speciality" or "night dive speciality". As you progress thru the grades from 1* to 3* you will experience these type of dives, and anyone that's completed a 3* weekend will tell you it was a bloody tough year to get that qualification and they "generally" are quite experienced. The only "speciality" courses are DER, Cox'n, Nitrox and ER.

I certainly am not advocating one agency over another however It is my opinion that the qualifications in the CFT structure are fewer and more experienced based than many other organisations. It was coming from this background that I made the above statement.

tis the same regardless wether you are club trained or otherwise...
It all depends on ego of the person not the agency...

You do a speciality course, does not make you a speciality diver, only experience will do that. The club by virtue of its star levels are the same as the basic progression through PADI, SSI etc. 1*-3* is almost comparable to OW -DM (or other agency equiv).

There is very little difference between Club and Agency training

donnchadhc

loctite wrote: »

tis the same regardless wether you are club trained or otherwise...
It all depends on ego of the person not the agency...

You do a speciality course, does not make you a speciality diver, only experience will do that. The club by virtue of its star levels are the same as the basic progression through PADI, SSI etc. 1*-3* is almost comparable to OW -DM (or other agency equiv).

There is very little difference between Club and Agency training

Sorry, I've got to disagree with you there. There are differences between the two. Progression through the agencies is by way of courses (your OW, AOW etc.) whereas in the club system you have to do a set number of dives and lectures before you do exams (I know DM is similar). Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one is better than the other just that there are differences. I just think these should be understood.

Anywhoo, when it comes to my diving buddy I always prefer to dive with someone I know. If that can't be done then I have a chat with whoever I'm going down with (hey, no puns here please ) and have a look at his/her log if I can and make sure I'm happy with them. Also, I think women are better divers than blokes (I'm a bloke btw). No macho crap.

loctite

donnchadhc wrote: »

Sorry, I've got to disagree with you there. There are differences between the two. Progression through the agencies is by way of courses (your OW, AOW etc.) whereas in the club system you have to do a set number of dives and lectures before you do exams

Same as PADI system for OW/AOW and Rescue too... have to do a set number of dives and theory before you sit exams.....

whosedaddy?

donnchadhc wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one is better than the other just that there are differences.

You are right - they are differnt.
But I'm not so sure you don't think one is better than the other.
but I better stop posting....

donnchadhc

whosedaddy? wrote: »

You are right - they are differnt.
But I'm not so sure you don't think one is better than the other.
but I better stop posting....

Your semi-right there, I must admit . I think PADI/SSI do it better to begin with, CMAS do it better in the intermediate bit and they're all basicly the same after that. Thats just my opinion. At the end of the day, its all about having experience (preferbly a wide range of experience).

Another pet hate of mine is divemasters you meet out in Thailand and such places who've only been diving a relatively short time (like six weeks:eek:). I just don't feel comfortable diving with some of them.

Lobster

donnchadhc wrote: »

Another pet hate of mine is divemasters you meet out in Thailand and such places who've only been diving a relatively short time (like six weeks:eek:). I just don't feel comfortable diving with some of them.

Same here, especially when they come here diving in cold water.

Benny-c

donnchadhc wrote: »

whoever I'm going down with (hey, no puns here please ) and have a look at his/her log if I can and make sure I'm happy with them.