Rep of Ireland should be ready

Riddle101

Firstly I understand that it is hard to predict what will happen so it is hard to be ready these days, but giving the current situation up north, it's sort of made me think.

Secondly. I know most people are propeberly thinking, this is going to be like my other thread I made a while back where I bascially said Ireland needs a plan for emergencies such as therrorist attack but giving the current situation with these dissidant republicans it has made me think that maybe I'm not so crazy to think we need a plan

Thirdly. Do you think the Rep of Ireland should be ready for the events of an IRA attack? I know it sounds kind've stupid, but these dissidents are unpredicatible. On the Adrian Kennedy show on Monday Republicans phoned up calling us(The Republic) Traitors and sell outs, And that made think about the RIRA's opinion on the Republic. They don't care anymore, they look at us as traitors and therefore they'll most likely look at us as the enemy as well, therfore no one is safe from these terrorists. Not that they didn't already pose a threat us anyway but i'm just syaing, giving the RIRA's recent activity in the North, there's no telling whether or not they might try to do something on Republic soil. Who's to say that tommorow a soldier in the PDF might get shot outside Cathal Brugha barracks, or a garda even when he's walking the streets in Rathmines where they frequently patrol. Should the Republic sit on the arse waiting for the IRA, or should we do something before it's late. I don't want there to be anymore deaths caused by the IRA, here or in the North. I want peace between the two nations and Britain, but the IRA won't give us peace, not until they decide that this ancient rivaliry they have with Britain is over which is most likely never to happen as long as IRA dissidents continue to poison children's minds with this misguided vision of fighting for a United Ireland and down with the Brits, there will be no peace. But I don't know what do you think

BTW I know my thread is morely directed at the Rep of Ireland, but I also mean Northern Ireland too, when I say we need to be ready because we're all in this together

Sleepy

Society can't let itself be dictated to by a handful of simpletons who don't know when they've lost.

These idiots will die out in time.

Dannyboy83

Even morally retarded, dissident murderers need a support base.

And you can't bomb people into supporting your cause - only into resenting it.

deadhead13

Didn't you get Willie O' Dea's Emergency Handbook. We also have the Office of Emergency Planning.

LordSutch

If the UFF/ UVF/ etc were still smoking guns i'de be worried about retaliatory murders all over Ireland, but they have openly stated that (on this occassion) they are not going to embark on revenge attacks .......

oscarBravo

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Even morally retarded, dissident murderers need a support base.

Unfortunately, that support base was out in force last night petrol-bombing the police.

kerry4sam

oscarBravo wrote: »

Unfortunately, that support base was out in force last night petrol-bombing the police.

Just went looking for a link to this and "NI Chief Constable Sir Hugh Orde has said there are 300 dissident republicans involved in a campaign to destroy the NI peace process ... Reports say officers were pelted with stones and petrol bombs were hurled at PSNI vehicles."

from http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0315/northviolence.html

mikemac

Relax. Minister of Defence Willie O'Dea will sort this

The Irish military & Gardai have worked with the British forces before to prevent the IRA from using Ireland as a base, and somehow I doubt they've stopped simply because of the peace process. There is a history of co-operation between our two countries, and I hope it continues.

As for terrorist attacks on this country, I'm sure there's plans in place. Somehow I expect they're pretty crap plans, and would likely fail in the extreme, but we've never really been attacked before. We'll just have to learn just like any other country thats on the receiving end.

AlekSmart

Riddle101 sez...

On the Adrian Kennedy show on Monday Republicans phoned up calling us(The Republic) Traitors and sell outs, And that made think about the RIRA's opinion on the Republic. They don't care anymore, they look at us as traitors and therefore they'll most likely look at us as the enemy as well,

This is something which has been REALLY worrying me in recent days.
In common with MOST Leinster Based citizens of the Republic I know many many people who now travel up to Northern Ireland on a regular basis to do their shopping.

This situation,brought about in part by the poorly considered actions of a less than competent Minister for Finance,has altered the very basic lifestyle of THOUSANDS of Irish Citizens.
Today we learn that this Minister now recognizes the error of his VAT Increase,yet has no idea of what else he can do except to further drag the country down to the level of his own personal lack of ability.

Now,the worrying aspect for me is that to the likes of the "Patriots" who operate on the fringes of the Republican Movement every Citizen of The Republic who travels across the Land Frontier is doing so voluntarily and thereby supporting Her Majesty`s Treasury to a very significant degree.

If anybody just looks at an aerial shot of the Approaches to Newry they can see scope for the sort of thing we associate with Israel or the Palestinian question.....

It`s a scary thing to be contemplating but I sure hope somebody other than some raving juiced-up lunatic "Freedom Fighter" is doing the thinking !!

thebigcheese22

It irks me when people refer to this fictional country of the 'Republic of Ireland'. The name of this country is IRELAND, not Rep of Ireland, If you wanna start a thread about the security of this country, you could at least get the name of the country right.

thebigcheese22

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

It irks me when people refer to this fictional country of the 'Republic of Ireland'. The name of this country is IRELAND, not Rep of Ireland, If you wanna start a thread about the security of this country, you could at least get the name of the country right.

There is a difference... :rolleyes:

LordSutch

My 'impression' is that that the security forces in the Republic are far less ready to deal with a terrorist outbreak than their counterparts in Northern Ireland.

AlekSmart

There is a difference...

Yes there is.....

Its even more marked too....

During the Emergency (1939-198?) the State had huge stencils painted on the landscape to warn beligerent avaitors of the country over which they were flying.

I think they used the OFFICIAL name of the country as laid down in Bunreacht na hEireann.....

The Name of the Country shall be ÈIRE.

thebigcheese22

Camelot wrote: »

My 'impression' is that that the security forces in the Republic are far less ready to deal with a terrorist outbreak than their counterparts in Northern Ireland.

Well in fairness, the amount of attacks in Northern Ireland far outstrip those in Ireland so thats fairly easily explained

thebigcheese22

AlekSmart wrote: »

During the Emergency (1939-198?) t.

Eh the Emergency was what we called World War 2 1939-1945, I'd advise ya brush up on your history

AlekSmart

I think,if checking is called for,that you`ll find that in the immediate aftermath of the War,known elsewhere as The Second World War the fledgling Irish State had so much to attend to that the actual declaration of an Emergency was never rescinded.

This was only noticed in the 1970`s (from memory) when a civil servant needed to make some intricate reference to an Act of the Oireachtas only to find it was governed by a continuning State of Emergency.

I believe(again from memory) that the Dàil of the day had to officially pass a motion officially ending the Emergency,many decades after it (WW2) had ended globally.

An Irish solution to an Irish problem !!

Thanks WiKi !!!

thebman

Camelot wrote: »

My 'impression' is that that the security forces in the Republic are far less ready to deal with a terrorist outbreak than their counterparts in Northern Ireland.

Come on, our police are much better at planting evidence :P

thebigcheese22

AlekSmart wrote: »

I think,if checking is called for,that you`ll find that in the immediate aftermath of the War,known elsewhere as The Second World War the fledgling Irish State had so much to attend to that the actual declaration of an Emergency was never rescinded.

This was only noticed in the 1970`s (from memory) when a civil servant needed to make some intricate reference to an Act of the Oireachtas only to find it was governed by a continuning State of Emergency.

I believe(again from memory) that the Dàil of the day had to officially pass a motion officially ending the Emergency,many decades after it (WW2) had ended globally.

An Irish solution to an Irish problem !!

Thanks WiKi !!!

Ah right I didnt know that, thats very interesting!

Apologies for my ignorance lol we were never told that in class! :pac:

wilson10

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

It irks me when people refer to this fictional country of the 'Republic of Ireland'. The name of this country is IRELAND, not Rep of Ireland, If you wanna start a thread about the security of this country, you could at least get the name of the country right.

I think for the time being at least, when discussing Ireland, north & south, it can be helpful to use the term "Republic of Ireland" simply to differentiate between the two entities, particularly for those non Irish contributors and subscribers who may otherwise find it confusing.

After all the term is acceptable to the Irish Government and used extensively by various departments.

ejmaztec

After 20 posts, have we decided which country we're talking about yet, or do we take it as read?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Is it possible that the f-wit who phoned up Adrian Kennedy was a paid actor. They (the radio station) have definitely used this tactic before.

Regarding the RIRA hitting down south; there's no way they can discrimate over those who support their campaign and those who don't.

mrtaylor1981

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Even morally retarded, dissident murderers need a support base.

And you can't bomb people into supporting your cause - only into resenting it.

But their supported by the morally retarded. I would not underestimate the fanticism of these murders and their supporters.

dresden8

AlekSmart wrote: »

I think they used the OFFICIAL name of the country as laid down in Bunreacht na hEireann.....

The Name of the Country shall be ÈIRE.

Article 4

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/upload/static/256.htm

Took 10 seconds to find.

Poccington

Camelot wrote: »

My 'impression' is that that the security forces in the Republic are far less ready to deal with a terrorist outbreak than their counterparts in Northern Ireland.

May I ask how you formed this impression?

I'm going to assume you have first hand experience of what's going on in the DF and Gardai with regards Intel etc. that has helped you to form such an impression?

daveirl

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4arc

i think that an attack in the republic would be a very unwise move for these 'dissidents' as the irish government would be forced to track them down and would leave them fighting a two-front war against the norths and the republic's security forces not to mention the loss of support from moderate dissidents and their supporters in the south.

am i wrong in thinking that these people are so elusive because of the apparant ease with which they can cross the border? any attack on the republic would make this more difficult.

bmaxi

By their actions over the last week these people have already committed an attack on the Republic. We have guaranteed that we will allow the principle of consent to be the governing factor in the future position of Northern Ireland and by attacking there they have attacked here.
These people have no mandate and the support of only a few misguided throwbacks, along with the usual guttie element that just likes to cause mayhem. I never thought I'd see the day when I would agree totally with Martin Mc Guinness but that day came when he called them traitors. I've yet to hear any of them say what we have to gain from their actions and that's because there is nothing to gain.
The security forces, North and South, should have our complete support in rooting them out.

SEPT 23 1989

did Dev not intern IRA men during WW2 and then when they went on hunger strike let them die? i think the state should go out of their way to crush these criminal outcasts once and for all,99% of the population of the island wont not give a toss about seeing the backward inbreds rot in jail for the rest of their lives

oscarBravo

dresden8 wrote: »

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/upload/static/256.htm

Took 10 seconds to find.

And another ten seconds to find the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948:

It is hereby declared that the description of the State shall be the Republic of Ireland.

Can we stop having this stupid conversation now, please?

dresden8

Does the constitution not trump all?

diverdriver

Camelot wrote: »

My 'impression' is that that the security forces in the Republic are far less ready to deal with a terrorist outbreak than their counterparts in Northern Ireland.

Your impression is incorrect. Two examples from my own personal experience, the ARW practice dealing with dissidents. I've seen evidence of that. Plus all known supporters and activists in the Republic (as opposed to the North of Ireland) are watched overtly by Special Branch. To the extent that people seen to be involved with or friends of them are stopped and questioned. This is a regular occurence and ongoing.

If anything the security forces here are better placed to deal with them than the North.

Is it possible that the f-wit who phoned up Adrian Kennedy was a paid actor. They (the radio station) have definitely used this tactic before.

Not just possible, it's likely he was a set up. It's so blatant it's a wonder they get away with it.

oscarBravo

dresden8 wrote: »

Does the constitution not trump all?

Unless you can clearly show that the 1948 Act is unconstitutional (hint: there's a difference between the name of a state, and the description of a state, and it's equally valid to refer to a state by its description as by its name), this silly conversation is over.

AlekSmart

this silly conversation is over.

Can we stop having this stupid conversation now, please?

I have a suspicion this one could run and run.....

Great legal minds have been exercised over less important items.....Remember the long running saga of Mhuine Beag vs Bagnalstown many years ago...and more recently Dingle....

Is there not a provision somewhere within the Irish Statute Book which sez that in the event of a divergence of meaning between the two Languages the IRISH version shall have precedence ?

Next !!

dresden8

oscarBravo wrote: »

Unless you can clearly show that the 1948 Act is unconstitutional (hint: there's a difference between the name of a state, and the description of a state, and it's equally valid to refer to a state by its description as by its name), this silly conversation is over.

Well, no, I've never taken the 1948 Act to the Courts so of course I can't prove it's unconstitutional.

You're still wrong though.

oscarBravo

dresden8 wrote: »

You're still wrong though.

What have I said that is incorrect?

sceptre

Oh, good lord. When you get threads about the level of readiness of security forces in the event of a terrorist attack that switch into a thread about what the country is properly to be called in all online references, no wonder this country (which henceforth I shall call "that near-bankrupt pseudoCatholic country west of Wales" in the hope that everyone will whine about it so the actual topic of conversation never gets addressed) has been doing little for the past few months other than mutual finger pointing.

If the terrorists decide to take us down, they'll just try to get directions to the local post office, that'll confuse us.

Do you guys know where someone is talking about if they use the phrase "Rep of Ireland"? Good. Now stop deliberately turning your knickers inside out before declaring that they're twisted. It just looks silly. Even in that near-bankrupt pseudoCatholic country west of Wales, which I currently call home.

Officially, "Ireland" is the name of the state. It's also the name of the island, which is why "Republic of Ireland" is officially the description of the state, as a state that de facto covers a large portion, but not all, of that island. Now, if people were pushing the "Eire" mantra, you might have a point, but seriously, to tn-bpCcwoW citizens like myself, you're just wasting electrons.


Wasn't the point of this thread the readiness of whatever this country is called?

ejmaztec

I thought that this was the TV forum where a discussion was taking place about the "moving" island in Lost.:o

AlekSmart

"Sceptre and Crown come tumbling down".......

diverdriver

but seriously, to tn-bpCcwoW citizens like myself, you're just wasting electrons.

Too clumsy, how about Eire. It says it on the stamps and the passport. There really is no such place as Ireland. This word was forced on us by the English when came here to start '800 years of oppression'. Damm their black hearts. Na hEireann, Eirinn and Eire are the only true titles of this Holy Country, West of Wales (HCWW) or Cymru (HCWC). I'm proud to be a Fir Eireannach, just not proud enough to learn to speak the language.

On the other hand, how about ROI, that seems to have taken off lately. Like USA, UK, it's shorthand. 'Hi there, I'm Paddy, all the way from the ROI.'

PS: The odd thing about 'Eire' is that when an English person uses the term. We Irish (Eireannach) all get offended as if it was some kind of insult even though it's the official name of the country in our own language.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

diverdriver wrote: »

Not just possible, it's likely he was a set up. It's so blatant it's a wonder they get away with it.

So.... why are we having this conversation when the only "evidence" is a faked radio-show phone-in...? I mean - has anyone from the RIRA actually stated that they might consider the possibiltiy of targetring the republic? Ever?

diverdriver

diverdriver wrote: »

Too clumsy, how about Eire. It says it on the stamps and the passport. There really is no such place as Ireland. This word was forced on us by the English when came here to start '800 years of oppression'. Damm their black hearts. Na hEireann, Eirinn and Eire are the only true titles of this Holy Country, West of Wales (HCWW) or Cymru (HCWC). I'm proud to be a Fir Eireannach, just not proud enough to learn to speak the language.

On the other hand, how about ROI, that seems to have taken off lately. Like USA, UK, it's shorthand. 'Hi there, I'm Paddy, all the way from the ROI.'

PS: The odd thing about 'Eire' is that when an English person uses the term. We Irish (Eireannach) all get offended as if it was some kind of insult even though it's the official name of the country in our own language.

Well, I can't see what the issue is since you're writing in English.. Republic of Ireland works fine for me.

Dannyboy83

Camelot wrote: »

If the UFF/ UVF/ etc were still smoking guns i'de be worried about retaliatory murders all over Ireland, but they have openly stated that (on this occassion) they are not going to embark on revenge attacks .......

I think the problem is that they have no one to launch revenge attack on.

i.e.
cannot attack Sinn Fein
cannot attack PIRA
cannot attack Catholics/Nationalists

cannot find RIRA/CIRA


so who is left to attack?
Maybe they will murder some of the people where the petrol bombs were being thrown?

Dannyboy83

Sweet Jeebus, why all the BS about the name of the country?

We are called Little Britain, everyone knows that.

AlekSmart

We are called Little Britain, everyone knows that.

Hmmm R u sure...I thought that was Wales...Àn Bhreatain Bheag...???

Stones85

Riddle101 wrote: »

Firstly I understand that it is hard to predict what will happen so it is hard to be ready these days, but giving the current situation up north, it's sort of made me think.

Secondly. I know most people are propeberly thinking, this is going to be like my other thread I made a while back where I bascially said Ireland needs a plan for emergencies such as therrorist attack but giving the current situation with these dissidant republicans it has made me think that maybe I'm not so crazy to think we need a plan

Thirdly. Do you think the Rep of Ireland should be ready for the events of an IRA attack? I know it sounds kind've stupid, but these dissidents are unpredicatible. On the Adrian Kennedy show on Monday Republicans phoned up calling us(The Republic) Traitors and sell outs, And that made think about the RIRA's opinion on the Republic. They don't care anymore, they look at us as traitors and therefore they'll most likely look at us as the enemy as well, therfore no one is safe from these terrorists. Not that they didn't already pose a threat us anyway but i'm just syaing, giving the RIRA's recent activity in the North, there's no telling whether or not they might try to do something on Republic soil. Who's to say that tommorow a soldier in the PDF might get shot outside Cathal Brugha barracks, or a garda even when he's walking the streets in Rathmines where they frequently patrol. Should the Republic sit on the arse waiting for the IRA, or should we do something before it's late. I don't want there to be anymore deaths caused by the IRA, here or in the North. I want peace between the two nations and Britain, but the IRA won't give us peace, not until they decide that this ancient rivaliry they have with Britain is over which is most likely never to happen as long as IRA dissidents continue to poison children's minds with this misguided vision of fighting for a United Ireland and down with the Brits, there will be no peace. But I don't know what do you think

BTW I know my thread is morely directed at the Rep of Ireland, but I also mean Northern Ireland too, when I say we need to be ready because we're all in this together

I'm not sure if the above is a serious question. But from looking at PIRA and the distain they had for the 26 county state and the weapons and technology and support they had, PIRA wouldn't dream of any sort of attack, now there were a few incidents of shooting ROI forces, but in no way would they have done it.

As for the RIRA. Well I would assume they are organised the same way as the provisionals were, I would imagine they have kept "General Army Order No.8" in place, which states according to the green book, that under no circumstances whatsoever are 26 county forces to be engaged, and it should be stated that any weapons found are solely for use against the british forces of occupation.

The Republic is far too important an operational area for groups like this, PIRA people have stated it in countless books.

I'm sure we can all be rest assured that RIRA won't do anything to us down here.

They're fckin mad either way

bmaxi

Stones85 wrote: »

I'm not sure if the above is a serious question. But from looking at PIRA and the distain they had for the 26 county state and the weapons and technology and support they had, PIRA wouldn't dream of any sort of attack, now there were a few incidents of shooting ROI forces, but in no way would they have done it.

As for the RIRA. Well I would assume they are organised the same way as the provisionals were, I would imagine they have kept "General Army Order No.8" in place, which states according to the green book, that under no circumstances whatsoever are 26 county forces to be engaged, and it should be stated that any weapons found are solely for use against the british forces of occupation.

The Republic is far too important an operational area for groups like this, PIRA people have stated it in countless books.

I'm sure we can all be rest assured that RIRA won't do anything to us down here.

They're fckin mad either way

The provos may not have taken any deliberate direct military action in the Republic but their actions in the North led to others taking such actions.
The fact is, attacks against the Republic don't have to be direct military actions, any action that has a destabilising effect on the North will have a knock on effect here.
I think it's a selfish attitude to have, hoping that trouble will be confined to N.I. In 1998 we signed an agreement recognising the integrity of the N. I. state, this was supported by almost 95% of the electorate, now at the first hiccup, all people seem to worry about is "how will it affect us?".
In effect we recognised N.I. as a friend and to paraphrase the old adage, "the enemy of my friend is my enemy".

Serenity Now!

Stones85 wrote: »

They're fckin mad either way

Mad, deluded, anti-democratic or oblivious to the wishes of the majority of people living on this island...the list is endless when it comes to those ignorant animals.

ionix5891

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

so who is left to attack?
Maybe they will murder some of the people where the petrol bombs were being thrown?

and nothing of value would be lost...

Wheely

Riddle101 wrote: »

Firstly I understand that it is hard to predict what will happen so it is hard to be ready these days, but giving the current situation up north, it's sort of made me think.

Secondly. I know most people are propeberly thinking, this is going to be like my other thread I made a while back where I bascially said Ireland needs a plan for emergencies such as therrorist attack but giving the current situation with these dissidant republicans it has made me think that maybe I'm not so crazy to think we need a plan

Thirdly. Do you think the Rep of Ireland should be ready for the events of an IRA attack? I know it sounds kind've stupid, but these dissidents are unpredicatible. On the Adrian Kennedy show on Monday Republicans phoned up calling us(The Republic) Traitors and sell outs, And that made think about the RIRA's opinion on the Republic. They don't care anymore, they look at us as traitors and therefore they'll most likely look at us as the enemy as well, therfore no one is safe from these terrorists. Not that they didn't already pose a threat us anyway but i'm just syaing, giving the RIRA's recent activity in the North, there's no telling whether or not they might try to do something on Republic soil. Who's to say that tommorow a soldier in the PDF might get shot outside Cathal Brugha barracks, or a garda even when he's walking the streets in Rathmines where they frequently patrol. Should the Republic sit on the arse waiting for the IRA, or should we do something before it's late. I don't want there to be anymore deaths caused by the IRA, here or in the North. I want peace between the two nations and Britain, but the IRA won't give us peace, not until they decide that this ancient rivaliry they have with Britain is over which is most likely never to happen as long as IRA dissidents continue to poison children's minds with this misguided vision of fighting for a United Ireland and down with the Brits, there will be no peace. But I don't know what do you think

BTW I know my thread is morely directed at the Rep of Ireland, but I also mean Northern Ireland too, when I say we need to be ready because we're all in this together

Bit ridiculous and over the top.........

AlekSmart

Bit ridiculous and over the top.........

As was Omagh,and so many other "operations" so beloved of those whom I think Riddle101 is attempting to depict ?