Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Fair sentence?

  • 13-03-2009 11:16am
    #1
    ronbyrne2005
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,494 ✭✭✭


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/actor-guilty-of-sex-with-boy-14-1666682.html

    A 14/15 year old boy set up Gaydar account claiming to be 19 and had consensual sex with 2 men in 40s. Both men got 2 years in jail today for sex with minor. Seems a bit harsh considering consensual nature, the fact many young gay men become active with older men at such an age etc. One of the guys was formerly an actor in Fair City.
    When you see some of the sentences handed down for what IMO are much more serious "crimes" you have to question such sentences.
    The boy was clearly mature enough to set up an account with a dating website seeking out sex. It's not like a teacher having a gay relationship with a young innocent student.
    Are these convictions likely to negatively impact on young men exploring their sexuality? The story reminds me of that gay tv series set in manchester where one of the main guys was having a gay relationship with a 15 YO teen.


«1

Comments

  • #2
    Berty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,154 ✭✭✭✭Berty


    Look. Dont Fvck Children. Thats all you need to know. :rolleyes:


  • #3
    Wagon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭Wagon


    If that little bastard lied about his age then it's not the two men's fault. They shouldn't have been locked up for it. If anything, id be asking how a 15 year old manages to set up an account on the internet for casual sex with men. But of course he's only young :rolleyes: bit of a joke to be honest.


  • #4
    BaconZombie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,813 ✭✭✭BaconZombie


    You would get more time then that for "piracy".
    ronbyrne2005 wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/actor-guilty-of-sex-with-boy-14-1666682.html

    A 14/15 year old boy set up Gaydar account claiming to be 19 and had consensual sex with 2 men in 40s. Both men got 2 years in jail today for sex with minor. Seems a bit harsh considering consensual nature, the fact many young gay men become active with older men at such an age etc. One of the guys was formerly an actor in Fair City.
    When you see some of the sentences handed down for what IMO are much more serious "crimes" you have to question such sentences.
    The boy was clearly mature enough to set up an account with a dating website seeking out sex. It's not like a teacher having a gay relationship with a young innocent student.
    Are these convictions likely to negatively impact on young men exploring their sexuality? The story reminds me of that gay tv series set in manchester where one of the main guys was having a gay relationship with a 15 YO teen.

    He told then his real age after they meet and before they have sex.
    And for him setup up an account, if he can pick a DOA from a drop down list that shows him as been over 18, he is able to setup an account.
    I have to block that site in my last job due to the HR Manager spend all day on it, the proxy server does not need to see some of stuff that is on that site.
    Wagon wrote: »
    If that little bastard lied about his age then it's not the two men's fault. They shouldn't have been locked up for it. If anything, id be asking how a 15 year old manages to set up an account on the internet for casual sex with men. But of course he's only young :rolleyes: bit of a joke to be honest.


  • #5
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    BOFH_139 wrote: »
    You would get more time then that for "piracy".


    Arrrgghhhh!!!


  • #6
    jim o doom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    I thought there was a legal defense that was acceptable on the basis that you though the minor was over age.. as used by persons who had met younger women in pubs where obviously the minimum age requirement is 18..

    Although that might be Ireland and not elsewhere.

    Not saying it's OK to sleep with a young person, but if yer more or less tricked into it.

    In relation to the story itself - he claimed to be whatever age on the site, but might the people he was with have been informed upon meeting of his true age? not many 15 yr olds look over 18, some do, but not many.


  • Advertisement
  • #7
    Zadkiel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Zadkiel


    BOFH_139 wrote: »
    He told then his real age after they meet and before they have sex.
    If this is the case the sentences are too lenient imo


  • #8
    tony1kenobi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭tony1kenobi


    Thomas Rogers?

    I bet he fcuking does..............


  • #9
    Gone Drinking
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭Gone Drinking


    Gaydar, radar for finding gays.. ho ho

    What will those crazy homosexuals come up with next!


  • #10
    ronbyrne2005
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,494 ✭✭✭ronbyrne2005


    jim o doom wrote: »
    I thought there was a legal defense that was acceptable on the basis that you though the minor was over age.. as used by persons who had met younger women in pubs where obviously the minimum age requirement is 18..

    Although that might be Ireland and not elsewhere.

    Not saying it's OK to sleep with a young person, but if yer more or less tricked into it.

    In relation to the story itself - he claimed to be whatever age on the site, but might the people he was with have been informed upon meeting of his true age? not many 15 yr olds look over 18, some do, but not many.

    is 17 not a bit old for age of consent for consensual gay sex? UK is 16 Europe even younger. If it's morally and legally acceptable there, why not here?


  • #11
    jim o doom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    ronbyrne2005 wrote: »
    is 17 not a bit old for age of consent for consensual gay sex? UK is 16 Europe even younger. If it's morally and legally acceptable there, why not here?

    wow now there fella! I never said anything about whether or not the age of consent was at an acceptable level or not.. I just said about the relative age of a person as directly compared to the consent age..

    What the age of consent SHOULD be is a whoooooole nother argument! :)


  • Advertisement
  • #12
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Berty wrote: »
    Look. Dont Fvck Children. Thats all you need to know. :rolleyes:

    Amen.


  • #13
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ronbyrne2005 wrote: »
    Fair sentence?

    They haven't been sentenced yet.

    Secondly, as he told them his age, they've no defence really. He's the minor, they're of the legal age of responsibility. Others turned up, took one look, realised he was a kid and legged it. Rather unfortunately all were questioned by the Gardai during the inquiry.


  • #14
    Wagon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭Wagon


    BOFH_139 wrote: »
    He told then his real age after they meet and before they have sex.
    Ah i see, again i miss something. Suitable sentence i suppose.
    And for him setup up an account, if he can pick a DOA from a drop down list that shows him as been over 18, he is able to setup an account.
    True. I still think it's a blurred case though. This little chap decided to set up an account to get a ride with some men and he did. It's pedophilia i suppose, but the men wearn't taking advantage of him. It was his own free will.


  • #15
    SV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭SV


    Why is it that everyone would be up in arms if it was 40YO men with a 15YO girl?
    but when it's a guy..not so much?


  • #16
    Dancor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,624 ✭✭✭Dancor


    ronbyrne2005 wrote: »
    is 17 not a bit old for age of consent for consensual gay sex? UK is 16 Europe even younger. If it's morally and legally acceptable there, why not here?

    See this is the thing, Is 14/15 really a good age for consensual sex. laws like that will be taken advantage of by people grooming these youngings for there wicked ways.


  • #17
    cotwold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭cotwold


    Well when i read what the op posted i thought that was clearly unfair and not in line with modern irish jurisprudence. However having read the report on the indo's website its totally fair, the boy told them his age before sex so they were complicit.
    Zadkiel wrote: »
    If this is the case the sentences are too lenient imo

    Hardly, the boy was still consenting. Its not as if he didn't want it.


  • #18
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    An actor and a courier who had sex with a 14-year-old boy have both been sentenced to two years in prison.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0313/internet.html

    Could have been far worse. I don't think they can have any complaints.


  • #19
    Zadkiel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Zadkiel


    cotwold wrote: »
    Well when i read what the op posted i thought that was clearly unfair and not in line with modern irish jurisprudence. However having read the report on the indo's website its totally fair, the boy told them his age before sex so they were complicit.



    Hardly, the boy was still consenting. Its not as if he didn't want it.

    They new he was 14 and knowingly broke the law, consent is not the issue its the fact that he's a minor


  • #20
    cotwold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭cotwold


    Zadkiel wrote: »
    They new he was 14 and knowingly broke the law, consent is not the issue its the fact that he's a minor

    Consent has to be an issue when you're considering sentencing. The law is the law so the men had to be guilty but you said they shouldve served longer sentences, why?

    If the men hadn't known his real age they could've got off.


  • #21
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    cotwold wrote: »
    Consent has to be an issue when you're considering sentencing.

    Legally children are not capable of giving consent - If that rule were removed there would be less to protect some abused children from further abuse. I think they recieved very lenient sentences.


  • Advertisement
  • #22
    snowy2008
    Closed Accounts Posts: 468 ✭✭snowy2008


    whos patrick dunleavey? i dont rememeber him in fair city, who did he play?


  • #23
    KTRIC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    teresa2008 wrote: »
    whos patrick dunleavey? i dont rememeber him in fair city, who did he play?

    A paedophile :pac:


  • #24
    ronbyrne2005
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,494 ✭✭✭ronbyrne2005


    If the boy was one month short of being 17 , would they still deserve 2 years in jail? Seems like a case of his family discovering the texts/images on his phone which he shared with the men and making him into a victim when he may have been perfectly happy with his sexual experiences.
    And to the previous poster that said it is paedophilia, look up the definition of paedophilia.


  • #25
    MicraBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MicraBoy


    I think the sentence is appropriate. This kid knew what he was doing, and the law is there to protect 14 year olds from themselves as much as to protect 14 year olds from others. The men were very foolish to follow through with their actions once they were told (once they were lied to) that he was 15. Two others walked away when they met him and saw/were told how young he was.


  • #26
    BaconZombie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,813 ✭✭✭BaconZombie


    NewsTalk is reporting that they have been sentenced to two year.
    Nodin wrote: »
    They haven't been sentenced yet.

    Secondly, as he told them his age, they've no defence really. He's the minor, they're of the legal age of responsibility. Others turned up, took one look, realised he was a kid and legged it. Rather unfortunately all were questioned by the Gardai during the inquiry.


  • #27
    BaconZombie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,813 ✭✭✭BaconZombie


    He is not listed on IMDB so he was never in Fail City.
    The Internet does not lie.
    teresa2008 wrote: »
    whos patrick dunleavey? i dont rememeber him in fair city, who did he play?


  • #28
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ronbyrne2005 wrote: »
    If the boy was one month short of being 17 ,.

    .....we'd be talking about a different case.

    ronbyrne2005 wrote: »
    Seems like a case of his family discovering the texts/images on his phone which he shared with the men and making him into a victim when he may have been perfectly happy with his sexual experiences.,.

    He refused to be involved in the case against them. This is irrelevant, as he's a minor. They aren't being charged with rape, or sexual assault.

    Secondly, he told them his age and they still had sex with him. This eliminates any defence of ignorance on their part. Thirdly, others who met up with him had the good sense to get away from him as fast as they could, either because they knew or suspected he was underage. They acted responsibly. Had these two acted similarily, they never would have been charged.


  • #29
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    BOFH_139 wrote: »
    NewsTalk is reporting that they have been sentenced to two year.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59399819&postcount=18


  • #30
    BaconZombie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,813 ✭✭✭BaconZombie


    Should he and anybody else {including the family members} who view the images be charged with view child pornography and then charge him creation and distribution of child pornography if they want to follow the letter of the law.

    /Disclaimer: The above it not something I'd like to see happen but it has in the post.
    ronbyrne2005 wrote: »
    If the boy was one month short of being 17 , would they still deserve 2 years in jail? Seems like a case of his family discovering the texts/images on his phone which he shared with the men and making him into a victim when he may have been perfectly happy with his sexual experiences.
    And to the previous poster that said it is paedophilia, look up the definition of paedophilia.


  • Advertisement
  • #31
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Not too sure the images were of him.....


  • #32
    Bottle_of_Smoke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    Both accused later acknowledged in garda interviews that the teenager admitted on meeting them that he was only 15 years old. They agreed that they were aware that the age of consent was 17.

    Can't really say it was unfair when this was the case. If I met a hot girl who told me she was 15 I'm sure I'd be tempted but I wouldn't run the risk knowing the implications.

    They're obviously not paedophiles, but they broke the law knowing full well they were doing it. No sympathy


  • #33
    Zadkiel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Zadkiel


    cotwold wrote: »
    Consent has to be an issue when you're considering sentencing. The law is the law so the men had to be guilty but you said they shouldve served longer sentences, why?

    If the men hadn't known his real age they could've got off.
    Morlar wrote: »
    Legally children are not capable of giving consent - If that rule were removed there would be less to protect some abused children from further abuse. I think they recieved very lenient sentences.

    Thanks Morlar


  • #34
    Ann22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭Ann22


    It's stomach turning, a 14yr old is a child. I don't give a fcuk whether he consented or not. I'm very curious to know who this Dunleavy fella is. His name isn't listed on the Fair City cast list. Seemingly he was in tv ads too.


  • #35
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Berty wrote: »
    Look. Dont Fvck Children. Thats all you need to know. :rolleyes:
    *Takes notes* DONT.......fvuk............children.

    So thats where ive been goin wrong.It all makes sense now


  • #36
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Ann22 wrote: »
    It's stomach turning, a 14yr old is a child. I don't give a fcuk whether he consented or not. I'm very curious to know who this Dunleavy fella is. His name isn't listed on the Fair City cast list. Seemingly he was in tv ads too.

    He might have just been an extra in the background...."Pub Customer 1"...."Pervert 3"....that kind of thing


  • Advertisement
  • #37
    Turd Ferguson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,193 ✭✭✭Turd Ferguson


    Berty wrote: »
    Look. Dont Fvck Children. Thats all you need to know. :rolleyes:

    Easier said than done my friend


  • #38
    pcworldsucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43 ✭pcworldsucks


    Cant see the issue here, two gay guys got put in jail. That is like sending kids to disneyland, they're gonna have the time of their lives in there.


  • #39
    Zadkiel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Zadkiel


    pcworldsucks wrote: »
    Cant see the issue here, two gay guys got put in jail. That is like sending kids to disneyland, they're gonna have the time of their lives in there.

    What now?:confused:


  • #40
    MicraBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MicraBoy


    Zadkiel wrote: »
    What now?:confused:

    Someone has been watching too much Oz.


  • #41
    john-joe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭john-joe


    be careful what you post online, if you ASS for it you will get it!!!!!!!!!!!!:o


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0313/internet.html


  • Advertisement
  • #42
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    ronbyrne2005 wrote: »
    is 17 not a bit old for age of consent for consensual gay sex? UK is 16 Europe even younger. If it's morally and legally acceptable there, why not here?

    Your brothers in NAMBLA feel your pain.:)


  • #43
    Spunge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    Would you be saying the same if it was a 15 year old girl ?


  • #44
    Zadkiel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Zadkiel


    Spunge wrote: »
    Would you be saying the same if it was a 15 year old girl ?

    Yes, the person's age was the issue. Not their sex


  • #45
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Spunge wrote: »
    Would you be saying the same if it was a 15 year old girl ?

    Giggidy


  • #46
    ben bedlam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 261 ✭✭ben bedlam


    The two men there should only ever leave jail in a body bag. Whatever about the boys intentions, they were the adults in that situation, and knew that they were engaging in sex with a minor. End of.


  • #47
    john-joe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭john-joe


    just seen the TV3 news, it showed pics of two men who had sex with teen.

    got 2 year sentence

    www.tv3.ie


  • #48
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    my mate ***** lost his virginity to a friend of his ma's (true story)
    he was 14 (about 20 years ago ) and when he told me i decided he was a legend

    do people think that she should have gone to jail?

    if ***** was gay whats the difference

    14 year old boys are horny i really think that there is a difference between 14 year old boys and 14 year old girls

    also the age of homosexual consent for boys is 15 not 17


    The heterosexual age of consent was set in the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1935. Homosexuality was decriminalised in 1993, following the ruling of the European Court in Norris vs. Ireland with the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 1993. This same act places an age of 15 on acts of "gross indecency" between male homosexuals, but with no definition of what these are.


  • #49
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Spunge wrote: »
    Would you be saying the same if it was a 15 year old girl ?
    18? Alllll riiiight :D


  • #50
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    I can't believe he's a teacher, he should be fired immediately IMO.


    Also, I think they got off very easily considering.


  • #51
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Tigger wrote: »
    also the age of homosexual consent for boys is 15 not 17 .
    I am nearly certain that the age of consent is 17.


  • Advertisement
Advertisement