Coaches in Hot-Seat

Chanandler Bong

Well here it is .. 2009 and like most of us ... here are a couple of guys worried about their jobs:

Tom Cable :OAK: The very fact that he is working for Crazy Al Davis means that he has to have a CV ready. Cable has to come out and win at least 10 games to keep Davis on the blue pill...

Sean Payton :NO: Payton was a genius two years ago getting the Saints to their first ever NFC Championship game. However that was then and this is a what have you done for me lately business. The Saints invested a lot last year with very little ROI. Ownership is tossing money out there again and look for Payton to be gone if he can not get the defense to hold other teams.

Norv Turner :SD: Yes I know Norv got them to the playoffs but lets be honest with ourselves. This team is under achieving in a big way. San Diego has the best rosters in a division of meritocracy yet best they could do was 8-8. Yes I know they beat the Colts in the playoffs but look what a truly elite team (the Steelers) did to them. Norv must be thinking deep into the playoffs in 09

Jack Del Rio :JAX: Ok, in the "how is this guy still around" category, the Jags should have been a contender last year instead they were getting their golf clubs ready around November. Del Rio has to get this team on the right track this year or he is probably gone.

Marvin Lewis :CIN: If Del Rio is in the category; Lewis leads the pack. Marvin Lewis has completely lost control of this team and now his best receiver; TJ; is gone and would not even consider re-signing with the club.

Dick Jauron :Bills: The Bills are a sad sad case. 5-0 to start last season only to be the odd man out in the race for the AFC East championship game. The Bills have also obtained the services of sideshow TO .... In a town know for its Blue Collar and non-flash the idea of a TO there seems to be a bit mental to me.

Mike McCarthy :GB: 1 year after Favre and still there. Rightfully so I would say, Rodgers actually performed quite well and Favre could not last the season in NY. However the problem is the defense of the packers fell on its face. Also a lot of Fans are still upset with what happened to Brett Farve and how he was treated..... McCarthy maybe the sacrificial lamb here if another mediocre season is pending

Lovie Smith :Chi: There is very little Love for Lovie these days. Lovie Smith took the Bears to the Superbowl two years ago but the front office has not made the right moves. Going to a superbowl buyes you a year or two but now the check has come due and the Bears must get back to the playoffs.

kev_s88

i can totally understand how Jack Del Rio is still at the Jaguars...there was very little he could do to stop the downfall they suffered last season...we lost our startin C in training camp... and lost starting T and G in the very first game of the season...also take into account borderline starter T Richard Collier being shot before season started...and when ya consider that it was the Jags running game that got them so far in the past, they were always gonna struggle...Collier lost out for the starting job at the start of the season and then got shot...too many players missing to do a good job...rushing attack died as did the pass protection for Dave Garrard...

so i can understand how they are willing to give Del Rio another shot and think he will do a good job providing the big players stay out of harms way and they can rebuild the attacking lines

Karlusss

Cable - he coached his way into a permanent position there so I don't think he's under that much pressure. That said, Al Davis is a nutjob.

I think the Bills are going to do well next season too, so that will relieve Jauron of pressure if that happens.

Everyone else though, maybe apart from Mike McCarthy, spot on. Can see Marvin Lewis not lasting the first half of the season once it turns out that Carson Palmer isn't going to actually make them win.

eagle eye

Well Norv Turner should be gone already imo. I totally agree on Sean Payton as well, its shocking that an offence like that did not make the playoffs its just sick really.

Chanandler Bong

kev_s88 wrote: »

i can totally understand how Jack Del Rio is still at the Jaguars...there was very little he could do to stop the downfall they suffered last season...we lost our startin C in training camp... and lost starting T and G in the very first game of the season...also take into account borderline starter T Richard Collier being shot before season started...and when ya consider that it was the Jags running game that got them so far in the past, they were always gonna struggle...Collier lost out for the starting job at the start of the season and then got shot...too many players missing to do a good job...rushing attack died as did the pass protection for Dave Garrard...

so i can understand how they are willing to give Del Rio another shot and think he will do a good job providing the big players stay out of harms way and they can rebuild the attacking lines

Maybe when the team moves to LA they'll want a fresh start
Still, they had a major fall-off last year, and major deficiencies at skill positions

Chucky the tree

Josh McDaniels: He's already disliked by alot of Broncos fans after the cutler incident, if he has a losing season he's in alot of trouble.

kev_s88

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

Maybe when the team moves to LA they'll want a fresh start
Still, they had a major fall-off last year, and major deficiencies at skill positions

haha another comedian :rolleyes:....personally i wouldnt mind seeing them head off to LA...id prefer them to say in Jacksonville, but if anyone has to move to LA i hope its the Jags...

i agree he's in danger but i definitely think he deserved another shot...its not like last year was all caused by bad coaching decisions (although Jerry Porter and Drayton Florence were awful)...so hopefully he can do something with a healthy team this year

Chanandler Bong

kev_s88 wrote: »

haha another comedian :rolleyes:....personally i wouldnt mind seeing them head off to LA...id prefer them to say in Jacksonville, but if anyone has to move to LA i hope its the Jags...

i agree he's in danger but i definitely think he deserved another shot...its not like last year was all caused by bad coaching decisions (although Jerry Porter and Drayton Florence were awful)...so hopefully he can do something with a healthy team this year

Yeah i'd say you never get sick of hearing that kev!,

i think a move to LA would be a great move, such a sports-mad fanbase. I have family there and still listen to sports radio from the LA area frequently and they deeply dislike being in Raider Nation media-wise.

kev_s88

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

Yeah i'd say you never get sick of hearing that kev!,

i think a move to LA would be a great move, such a sports-mad fanbase. I have family there and still listen to sports radio from the LA area frequently and they deeply dislike being in Raider Nation media-wise.

haha no one wants to be associated with Raider nation...i just think its unfortunate that LA has had recent bad luck with not getting a GOOD football market

SimComSports

Surely the Oakland Raiders problems are easy to solve in 5 steps

1. Sign David Beckham from over the road when he returns from Italy. Get the offense to within 15 yards of the Red Zone and kick it... 2 trips a quarter = 24 points a game... Simple really :D
2. Hire Plaxico Burress as Head of Security and provide him a tank to shoot himself with this time.
3. Hire their Gun'vor as an aging free-agent Center
4. Hire Michael O'Leary as Head of Contract negotiations, this would guarantee half their overpaid undertalented players would be forced to bagagge handle for Aer Lingus. Hey, at least theres a Union!!
5. Pay me $2m a year to tell them what they're doing wrong.

If all else fails bring back Madden.....

heyjude

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

i think a move to LA would be a great move, such a sports-mad fanbase.

If LA has such a great sports-mad fanbase, how come they lost both the Rams and Raiders to smaller cities like St. Louis and Oakland ?

Point is, the LA fans are very fickle, give them a high scoring glamorous all star winning NFL franchise and they might turn out to support them, but give them a middling team with an 8-8 record or worse and be prepared for thousands of empty seats. On present form the Jaguars would be closer to 8-8 than superbowl contenders and I doubt they'd be surefire sellouts in LA.

As for laughing at the Raiders and their recent serious demise, it is curious how supporters of teams that have never even been to a superbowl, not talk about having won one, feel qualified to poke fun at the Raiders, who it should be remembered, do have a Superbowl appearance within the past decade.

Hazys

heyjude wrote: »

As for laughing at the Raiders and their recent serious demise, it is curious how supporters of teams that have never even been to a superbowl, not talk about having won one, feel qualified to poke fun at the Raiders, who it should be remembered, do have a Superbowl appearance within the past decade.

tbf they havent done much since their last Super Bowl visit but give players ridiculous contracts and cut them the next year, fire coaches after 1 season, some terrible draft picks, give Randy Moss away for a 4th round pick because he was washed up, etc.

Fair deuce for sticking up for your team but not many other teams have done so much reckless dealings to shoot themselves in the foot each year.

tallaghtoutlaws

heyjude wrote: »

As for laughing at the Raiders and their recent serious demise, it is curious how supporters of teams that have never even been to a superbowl, not talk about having won one, feel qualified to poke fun at the Raiders, who it should be remembered, do have a Superbowl appearance within the past decade.

You don't need to be qualified to laugh at the comedy show that is the Raiders in fairness. A joke is a joke no matter what way you look at it. Al Davis in fairness has turned them from one of the best teams to quite frankly one of the worst. His mental state is questionable at the best of times and he is lucky he even gets fans into the stadium. If it were not for those fans entering those gates during the season he would have lost that franchise along time ago. He can count himself lucky he has such patient die hard fans.

davyjose

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Al Davis in fairness has turned them from one of the best teams to quite frankly one of the worst.

Lets be fair lads, the only way he was able to do that was because he turned them into one of the best in the first place. And that only fell apart after a certain tuck rule play. I don't mean to stir things up (although I'm a bit grumpy today :pac:;)), but it's a little bit annoying when the Pats fans start giving the Raiders sh!t when their downward spiral only began on a certain cold january day in New England 7-odd years ago, after a certain rule we've never seen before, or since, was called.

Kidding aside, Al Davis was doing just fine up until then.

tallaghtoutlaws

davyjose wrote: »

Lets be fair lads, the only way he was able to do that was because he turned them into one of the best in the first place. And that only fell apart after a certain tuck rule play. I don't mean to stir things up (although I'm a bit grumpy today :pac:;)), but it's a little bit annoying when the Pats fans start giving the Raiders sh!t when their downward spiral only began on a certain cold january day in New England 7-odd years ago, after a certain rule we've never seen before, or since, was called.

Kidding aside, Al Davis was doing just fine up until then.

My opinion has nothing to do with the fact im a Pats fan. Tuck rule or not Al Davis was always insane. The onlder he got the worse it got though. And the Pats have nothing to do with the Epic Failure that is Al Davis ffs.:rolleyes:

What would you have said if I wasnt a Pats fan in all fairness? Just out of interest?:rolleyes:

Karlusss

Wow, I hadn't realised that all the Raiders' mishaps dated back to an official calling a rule that's in the NFL rule book. Pretty unfortunate for the Raiders that they have to follow the same rules as everyone else in the league alright.

Hazys

I was watching the NFL Network a couple of weeks ago and they had the Top 10 controversial calls on.

The Tuck Rule was near the top. I dont understand why it was so controversial if the rule is in the rule book and the refs called it correctly

jdivision

davyjose wrote: »

after a certain rule we've never seen before, or since, was called.

Kidding aside, Al Davis was doing just fine up until then.

That's incorrect, happened Tony Romo against the Cardinals last season, went to throw the ball, changed his mind, ball came out, Cards dived on it. TD! No wait, reviewed, no TD cos of the tuck rule. Safety? No, counts as an incomplete pass. Nearly cost us the game too. and that looked way more like a fumble than Brady's did.

eagle eye

Jeebus Davyjose, as you said you were cranky but you cannot blame one decision in one game on the total collapse of a franchise.

Al Davis is a major problem and as long as he remains there its not going to improve. The fact that Davis saw fit to take a deal from the Bucs for Jon Gruden shows just how clueless the man is. I was delighted to see that come back to haunt him the very next season. He has got progressively worse since then, and all the coaches getting sacked is just ridiculous. How on earth can you expect a coach to work when his job is under threat every week as Kiffin's was last season up until he was actually fired. He also decides on who is drafted by the looks of things. Not a good situation at all. I'm not sure what age the man is now but he must be in his 80's, its sad to see him on this path, he was a legend and he is ruining those memories for a lot of Raiders fans.

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

My opinion has nothing to do with the fact im a Pats fan. Tuck rule or not Al Davis was always insane. The onlder he got the worse it got though. And the Pats have nothing to do with the Epic Failure that is Al Davis ffs.:rolleyes:

What would you have said if I wasnt a Pats fan in all fairness? Just out of interest?:rolleyes:

I could easily pick something out about nearly every other nfl team in the league at rolf at them so that wouldnt be too difficult. Every team has a slump, this is ours. Still pretty impressive though that in the decade of our slump we still made a SB final.


There so many other owners in the nfl who are 10 times worse then Al Davis because they dont really give a **** about there team or winning football. I think Al's made some horrendous decisions in the late 7 years but I can still accept he's done with the 100% intention of trying to make the Raiders a better football team. He also has no porblem pumping plenty of money into them to get them back to the top, unlike other tight fisted owners. I can certainly think of better owners to have but I can also think of plenty of worse owners/franchises who will probaly never make a play-off let alone a SB appearance for a long long time.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

Al Davis is a major problem and as long as he remains there its not going to improve. The fact that Davis saw fit to take a deal from the Bucs for Jon Gruden shows just how clueless the man is. I was delighted to see that come back to haunt him the very next season.

How? Gruden wanted to leave and Al managed to bend the Bucs over in that deal, made fooking mess of the draft picks though. Grudens been shown up for the poor HC he is, he had Monte kiffin hold his hand all the way through, as soon as Monte says he's leaving it goes tits up and the players dont want him. Atleast Al got the last laugh this year though, beating them in the last game of season to stop them going to the play-offs and get Gruden the sack.

While I didnt like the Lane Kiffin firing he has doing a great job of proving all right about him being a snake the way he has acted at Tennessee so far.

eagle eye

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How? Gruden wanted to leave and Al managed to bend the Bucs over in that deal, made fooking mess of the draft picks though. Grudens been shown up for the poor HC he is, he had Monte kiffin hold his hand all the way through, as soon as Monte says he's leaving it goes tits up and the players dont want him. Atleast Al got the last laugh this year though, beating them in the last game of season to stop them going to the play-offs and get Gruden the sack.

While I didnt like the Lane Kiffin firing he has doing a great job of proving all right about him being a snake the way he has acted at Tennessee so far.

Iirc before the Gruden trade is that Al wanted to change the offense and Gruden didn't want to change it and it came to a stage where Gruden would not sign a new contract because of that.
I just think that its since then that Al Davis seems to have lost the plot, and I think age might have a lot to do with it.
Lets be fair he was a great man back in the day, but the years take their toll and you start believing that you and not your coaches know the best way to run the team. Being an ex coach he finds it impossible to stop meddling by the looks of things. He really needs to retire and trust other people to run the organisation, I'm saying you need a new GM and let him hire the coach he wants. Its time the man retired.

Chucky the tree

eagle eye wrote: »

Iirc before the Gruden trade is that Al wanted to change the offense and Gruden didn't want to change it and it came to a stage where Gruden would not sign a new contract because of that.
I just think that its since then that Al Davis seems to have lost the plot, and I think age might have a lot to do with it.
Lets be fair he was a great man back in the day, but the years take their toll and you start believing that you and not your coaches know the best way to run the team. Being an ex coach he finds it impossible to stop meddling by the looks of things. He really needs to retire and trust other people to run the organisation, I'm saying you need a new GM and let him hire the coach he wants. Its time the man retired.

The reason he meddles is because he hires bad coaches - Gruden, Callahan, Shell and Kiffin. We had a great draft in 07 and 08, we've stopped spunking money on FA wasters aswell so it seems the old man has finally gotten it right and has us on the right track. So far this is the best off-season in years. The problem is Al got desperate to win and he wanted it straight away, he's already come out and said he doesnt expect us to be in the play-offs for another few years and he seems to be finally building through a solid team through the draft. If we manage to get Raji in the first or a good DT in the second I'll go into next with a bit of confidence in us doing well.

tallaghtoutlaws

You know Im not going to quote anyone but will say this. If you honestly think Al Davis is not insane and shouldnt leave the Raider then you are actually smoking weed or something hallucent. The guy is clearly insane and has been sliding down the hill for years.

Yes there is some other F*ck wit GMs and Owners out there but you know what we are not talking about them.

My original quote was to Davyjose for saying it was the tuck rule decision that made al davis insane :rolleyes: I siad it wasnt as Al Davis was already heading down the slippery slop of insanity. How can anyone deny this he is ruining the raiders with absolute hair brain decisions every year.

Anyway thats all im saying on this. If you clearly think otherwise sure thats your opinion but I will say take off those sun glasses indoors.

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

You know Im not going to quote anyone but will say this. If you honestly think Al Davis is not insane and shouldnt leave the Raider then you are actually smoking weed or something hallucent. The guy is clearly insane and has been sliding down the hill for years.

Yes there is some other F*ck wit GMs and Owners out there but you know what we are not talking about them.

My original quote was to Davyjose for saying it was the tuck rule decision that made al davis insane :rolleyes: I siad it wasnt as Al Davis was already heading down the slippery slop of insanity. How can anyone deny this he is ruining the raiders with absolute hair brain decisions every year.

Anyway thats all im saying on this. If you clearly think otherwise sure thats your opinion but I will say take off those sun glasses indoors.

What has he done that's so insane? Honeslty, I'd love to it hear it, I could do with a laugh.

Hazys

"What do you want Adam?" LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzDwTLaaY_0

I wouldn't mess with the man but his skills as a GM have deminish in the past few years.

bobby wade

Now I don't know a lot about him or the Raiders but any man who purposely limits Marcus Allen in his prime is not right

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

What has he done that's so insane? Honeslty, I'd love to it hear it, I could do with a laugh.

Im not going down a road of arguing with you as I couldnt be bothered. But I will mention the one of many things that makes him an idiot and insane things like offering sh*t players huge contracts i.e Tommy Kelly and the whole Kiffen Cable situation. Sunglasses in a dark room Chucky. Answer what you want Im not getting into an endless argument with you.

Chucky the tree

I just think if your going to make retarded claims you should atleast back them or, or even try. If your not bothered arguing the point why bother typing your ****e in the first place? Very trollish carry on really.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I just think if your going to make retarded claims you should atleast back them or, or even try. If your not bothered arguing the point why bother typing your ****e in the first place? Very trollish carry on really.

Trollish carry on? haha whatever I did have a long response written out just now but I just deleted it. Its clear you are biased and just want a back and forth argument and I couldnt be bothered find someone else to argue with.

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Trollish carry on? haha whatever I did have a long response written out just now but I just deleted it. Its clear you are biased and just want a back and forth argument and I couldnt be bothered find someone else to argue with.

tbh I wouldnt waste my time, I doubt you know anything aobut the raiders/players anyway so your just gonna roll the same old same old media based tripe.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

tbh I wouldnt waste my time, I doubt you know anything aobut the raiders/players anyway so your just gonna roll the same old same old media based tripe.

Are you kidding me haha please dont insult my intelligence.

I have been supporting the NFL the last 17 years. I spend alot of time in the US. I play and Coach American football. I spend alot of time around guys who have played at all levels in the US when Im there and guys who know more than both of us here. So Im going to say probably know as much as you or more.

Look chucky its obvious you have never agreed with any of my opinions on here and everytime I post you you argue it so look I dont care get a grip. I could care less about getting into an argument about the Raiders. It seems you are just looking for an argument. Look if you ever want to put my knowledge to the test I will pm you my mobile number or we can meet up for a pint

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Are you kidding me haha please dont insult my intelligence.

I have been supporting the NFL the last 17 years. I spend alot of time in the US. I play and Coach American football. I spend alot of time around guys who have played at all levels in the US when Im there and guys who know more than both of us here. So Im going to say probably know as much as you or more.

Look chucky its obvious you have never agreed with any of my opinions on here and everytime I post you you argue it so look I dont care get a grip. I could care less about getting into an argument about the Raiders. It seems you are just looking for an argument. Look if you ever want to put my knowledge to the test I will pm you my mobile number or we can meet up for a pint

I never doubt your knowledge on NFL, I'm sure it's alot better then mine but I doubt your knowledge on the Raiders players, Tommy Kelly was most definitly over payed but certainly isnt a ****e player. I might not agree with your posts or what you say(cant say I've noticed though, certainly not as much as Eagle eye ) but I am not really looking for an argument. However if you going to come and say Al davis is insane and any who disagrees is just as bad as him then of coruse I'm going to bring you up on it.

As I said, if you dont want me picking on your posts then dont mention the raiders again. I'm pretty sure If I was to go on about the Pats being cheaters etc etc you'd provide your opinion on it so dont be suprised when I do the same.

Chanandler Bong

I want in on this..

Al Davis is senile and the Pats are cheaters

fight fight fight

davyjose

Chucky the tree wrote: »

tbh I wouldnt waste my time, I doubt you know anything aobut the raiders/players anyway so your just gonna roll the same old same old media based tripe.

B'ah, the Raiders suck, dude. We all know that, and it's not TO's fault Media based Tripe is to blame for a streak of losing seasons? My hole I'm sure the Raiders would dominate had it not been for TO's wild predictions? :rolleyes:

Karlusss

Chanandler Bong wrote: »

Al Davis is senile and the Pats are cheaters

You would think that somebody would have word-filter blocked any Caps Lock comments about BELICHEAT or CHEATRIOTS from the ESPN blogs, but no.

Chucky the tree

davyjose wrote: »

B'ah, the Raiders suck, dude. We all know that, and it's not TO's fault Media based Tripe is to blame for a streak of losing seasons? My hole I'm sure the Raiders would dominate had it not been for TO's wild predictions? :rolleyes:

What? When did I say they didnt suck? When did I say it was the media's fault for our losing streaks? What wild predictions did he make?