Worried..what will happen now

MeMyself&I

I don't know if this is a PI, but i have been so worried since news of trouble in the north starting again.

I feel so sick and worried, i cant believe this is starting agin. Im a nervous wreck.

Sorry if this is the wrong thread/forum.

I just have an awful sickening feeling of things to come, i live in a border town, my brother is a guard at another border town. Im not normally a worrier, i just cant shake this sick feeling, as if i know something bad will happed again.

Maybe im just having a bad day

ManOfMystery

I think we're all nervous that it will kick off again. I live in the North and have no desire at all to return to the ways of old, all because of the ridiculous actions of a minority who do NOT have the support of the majority.

There's definitely tension in the air today.

MeMyself&I

Its so bad, im so scared, also my boyfriend is british, so im scared something will happen him when he comes over to visit. It might sound silly to other people, but its really getting to me.

Im afraid something will happen him or my brother. What gives this group of people the right to start all this again.

tbh

it's horrible. Here's what you can do tho.

If you know something, you tell the cops.
If you hear some asshole going on about the 'RA in some pub, tell him he's an asshole.
If you're somewhere where people collecting for the provos shakes a fundraising tin in your face, tell them you're not giving them anything.
Sign books of condolences for the victims.

Let these murdering scumbags know that that THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR US and we are not going to let them do this to us.

Zaph

While I can appreciate the OP's concerns, and what happened is truly shocking, I should just remind everyone that this is PI, not politics, so there will be no discussion about the rights or wrongs of what happened or the politics involved. The OP has an anxiety issue, let's stick to helping her with that, ok?

Thanks

Zaph

MeMyself&I

Yes i dont want to get into the whole politics of this.

I am just genuinely frightened and scared. I was young when this was all happening, so it went over my head. Now i fully understand how dangerous life will be.

I just want to move out of this country

tbh

I understand - what I was offering wasn't political opinion, but a very simplistic method for you to try to gain as much control as possible. Realistically, terrorism is a small but significant part of life these days, and no-where in the world is safe. I work all over the world - last September I barely missed being blown up in Pakistan, to the extent that I still shake when I think about it now. In Mexico, I was in a crowd when someone threw a live grenade and killed four people. Unfortunately, all I can do is control my own actions. When I hear someone offer lazy generalisations, I confront them on it. It's my way of proving that I won't be bullied or terrorised into apathy. It probably won't save a single life, but it works for me.

I've been worrying about the same thing all day. My family live in the north and I really thought things were getting better, not worse. The police shooting happened where my granny and cousins live. We go there all the time. I've had a really uneasy feeling all day, worrying about my parents and what if something happened, what if they were caught in a bomb. It's a feeling I had around the time of the Omagh bombing when I was only 13, I had forgotten how crap it is to worry about being blown up every time you go into town (there used to be a small bomb found at least twice a week). My mum is English as well so I worry that she'll meet some nutcase somewhere. I really hate Northern Ireland. I'm begging them to move away, because my anxiety is back and wrecking my head. I know my mum hates living there anyway and things are even worse now. I resent my dad for making us move there. I feel jealous of people who didn't have to grow up in such a poisonous environment and have to defend their background and avoid walking down certains streets in their school uniform and get interrogated by soldiers every time they went somewhere in the car. I get irritated when people don't realise how that kind of environment can affect you. I constantly think how much easier my life would have been if we'd stayed in England and how much less paranoid and nervous I'd be. If I'd only had to worry about boys and spots instead of my relatives getting kneecapped or being blown up. Oh well. There's my whine for the day.

dny123456

Dont know why you're worrying... these are just a few scumbags who want to make a name for themselves. They are not the 'provos' as were or anything remotely similar. They are not organised and have no wide support amongst the public. I'd be more worried about the drugs gangs in dublin, than the so called continuity or real. They'll be banged up within the year. Don't give them more credit than they are due, just a group of chavs striving for fame.

Lollipops23

i thought i was the only one who spent the day worrying that it would all kick off again:(i really think that it's going to be ok; the country has moved on so much and people just won't allow all their hard work to go down the drain after 10 years of peace and progress. try not to worry; there's very little any of us can do, and this may all just be a blip on an otherwise immaculate radar.

ManOfMystery

dny123456 wrote: »

Dont know why you're worrying... these are just a few scumbags who want to make a name for themselves. They are not the 'provos' as were or anything remotely similar. They are not organised and have no wide support amongst the public. I'd be more worried about the drugs gangs in dublin, than the so called continuity or real. They'll be banged up within the year. Don't give them more credit than they are due, just a group of chavs striving for fame.

No harm to you but that's a load of rubbish. The Real IRA have been operating since 1997 and the Continuity IRA since 1986. They'll not just disappear quickly or it would already have happened. And they may just want to make a name for themselves, but it's resulting in the deaths of innocent people, whether they have support or not. Calling them chavs striving for fame is probably a compliment, but lets not forget that many of these 'chavs' as you put it are armed to the teeth and have undergone training. Perhaps if you lived 10 miles the murder spot like I do you would be a little less dismissive and flippant about this.

dny123456

There will always be gangs of these names, what I mean is the perps of these particular crimes will be locked up fairly quickly. The gangs of these names and possibly in the future of other derived names will always exist. This doesnt mean that they are some scary organisation capable of anything other than minor activities. Not willing to downgrade the effects it has had on the families of the victims, or indeed those expressing fear on this thread, but it isn't, nor will it be, a return to situation which previously existed here. So you really do should try not to be fearful, that is their purpose and is the only thing that they can realistically achieve.

Living '10 miles' from incident no more qualifies you to comment on this than those living in Rathmines can comment on the goings on in Ballymun!

... BTW I spent 18 years of my life living in a staunchly republican area 3 miles from the border, where my family remains, if you want to go quoting meaningless distances!

My grandmother and most of my aunts and uncles live YARDS from where the police officer was killed. Lived there myself for a while. It's scary when something is that close to home, you're watching CNN and you see pictures from the street you used to play in, the houses you walked past every day. I'm just hoping my cousins (who have up the IRA and similar sh*te on their bebos) would have more sense than to join these murdering scumbags.

tom-thebox

Hopefully the powers that be will come down on it hard, and the people up to anything at all, again , and again, and again , toss them into a paddy wagon repeatly in the early am, dont give them room to move.

ManOfMystery

dny123456 wrote: »

There will always be gangs of these names, what I mean is the perps of these particular crimes will be locked up fairly quickly. The gangs of these names and possibly in the future of other derived names will always exist. This doesnt mean that they are some scary organisation capable of anything other than minor activities. Not willing to downgrade the effects it has had on the families of the victims, or indeed those expressing fear on this thread, but it isn't, nor will it be, a return to situation which previously existed here. So you really do should try not to be fearful, that is their purpose and is the only thing that they can realistically achieve.

Living '10 miles' from incident no more qualifies you to comment on this than those living in Rathmines can comment on the goings on in Ballymun!

... BTW I spent 18 years of my life living in a staunchly republican area 3 miles from the border, where my family remains, if you want to go quoting meaningless distances!

Distance is not meaningless. When it's on your doorstep it tends to hit home, hence why its easy for us to turn a blind eye to things that happen hundreds/thousands of miles away.

Time will tell if you're right but these particular dissidents originally branched off from the provisional IRA so it's not like they're the new kids on the block. They're experienced and have been around a long time - I don't think they'll be disappearing soon, as much as I would like them to.

aare

Last time I was in the North...only a month ago...I stopped to asked directions from a fairly well groomed "ould wan"...she was really "off" with me and was glaring at my (southern) numberplate as if it had an obscene suggestion on it...

I couldn't BELIEVE it (it was actually so incredible that I couldn't get my head round it to give her any "'tude" in return)...talking about it a hour or so later, neither could anyone else, surely that stuff has been over as long as my teenaged years?

...and now it's back...and the "80 miles up the road" I often visit, has, at least, in my mind, become an alien war zone again...

I can only compare that to waking up from a nightmare and finding out it wasn't a nightmare at all.

Except, in truth it is NOT really back.

Then, a whole community was divided, everyone had something to be bitter about and someone to be bitter towards...

This is totally different...isolated, out of time.

Think of it as a few displaced gangbangers without any real cause, trying to define themselves, and their messed up lives, by taking real shots at some innocent, worthwhile, young men, and some of those young men were killed...terrible, tragic...a sickening waste...

The shock you feel is the best protection we all have, because, believe me, you aren't feeling that shock alone tonight...most of the country is with you...

Most of us, from any community, just WILL NOT let it happen again.

The people who did this are just nutjobs...and nutjobs are always with us, whatever they call themselves, or whatever justification they hide behind...

craichoe

Bad things happen everywhere in Ireland:

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/1-30-2003-34634.asp

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/eyaucwkfidgb/

Just as examples, Theres never good news, just bad, all you can do is live your life and do whats within your control.

Really hope it doesnt kick off again though !

Bottle_of_Smoke

tbh wrote: »

it's horrible. Here's what you can do tho.

If you know something, you tell the cops.
If you hear some asshole going on about the 'RA in some pub, tell him he's an asshole.
If you're somewhere where people collecting for the provos shakes a fundraising tin in your face, tell them you're not giving them anything.
Sign books of condolences for the victims.

Let these murdering scumbags know that that THEY DO NOT SPEAK FOR US and we are not going to let them do this to us.

Unless he's some asshole in your group of friends at the bar, that, is a very silly thing to suggest.

Barryx

This thread is quite political...

To the OP, three people have been killed. Its not a lot. You have a far greater chance of you or one of your relatives dieng in a car crash than of being targeted by the C/RIRA.

If you want my opinion, your concerns are excessive and hyperbolic. You should have a greater fear of being one of the 5,400 people (and growing) who will die prematurely due to social inequality and deprivation annually, for which is violently enforced through the Irish state, which your mother is a member.

As one of the mods said, less of the politics. Whats pumped out on the media, or what is considered a "common perception" is not necessarilly the correct, or only view point. I for one disagree with much of the political sentiments in this thread. We can all go shouting scumbags and "chavs", I think it should be kept seperate from a personal issue myself.

D.Q

Barryx wrote: »

This thread is quite political...

To the OP, three people have been killed. Its not a lot. .

Tell that to their families. Thats one of the most ridiculous posts I'v seen in a long time.

Barryx

DieselQueen wrote: »

Tell that to their families. Thats one of the most ridiculous posts I'v seen in a long time.

Im sure their families would be proud to see them in desert fatigues, primed and ready to slaughter innocents in Afghanistan. How noble.

The biggest terrorists on this island are the British state. Those two soldiers were part and parcel of it.

aare

Barryx wrote: »

Im sure their families would be proud to see them in desert fatigues, primed and ready to slaughter innocents in Afghanistan. How noble.

The biggest terrorists on this island are the British state. Those two soldiers were part and parcel of it.

Oh for heaven's sake, cut that out...I am no fan of the British Government, but the lads who died were an electrician and a footballing carpenter of Cypriot origin...they were taking a pizza delivery, and probably thanking their lucky stars that they sidestepped the building recession by signing up...

...and when you get to my age you realise they were just kids with their whole lives before them.

Barryx

aare wrote: »

Oh for heaven's sake, cut that out...I am no fan of the British Government, but the lads who died were an electrician and a footballing carpenter of Cypriot origin...they were taking a pizza delivery, and probably thanking their lucky stars that they sidestepped the building recession by signing up...

...and when you get to my age you realise they were just kids with their whole lives before them.

I do not agree with these attacks insofar as it is not politically constructive. Its a disgrace that they have not even bothered to apologise, or acknowledge their wrong doings in shooting delivery men.

However, those soldiers who died were part of an institution of far greater violence and terrorism than any paramilitary organisations which exist. They were a cog in the wheel, and trained to murder.

Though of course, with all the props, nice words, uniforms, suits and displays - British state murder and violence has an aura, or screen, of legitimation. Though of course its not legitimate.

Those soldiers who died should be considered in quite a bad light for what they were a member of. A filthy barbarous institution of mass violence. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSISL7317520080822

Zaph

Barryx banned for two weeks for ignoring a very specific moderator instruction near the top of this thread.

Zaph

OK, having reviewed the thread I can't see it going anywhere other than turning into a debate on politics or who lived closer to a dangerous part of Northern Ireland.

Thread closed.