Cycing Trivia....for a piece of pie....

penfold83

Name the seven riders who have won the Tour de France whilst being their countries National Road Race Champion.....since World War 2.

Try naming all 7 in the one post (i.e. not one guess per post) and we'll see who gets closest!

For a bonus point, name the only one of the seven riders who won the tour as National Road Race Champion AND National Time Trial Champion.

God Speed...

Billy Whizz

Fairly certain the bonus answer is Riis. The others will probably be before my time :P

CheGuedara

What kind of pie are we talking about here?

penfold83

Drugs pie. A nandralone and EPO crust with a centre of creamy testosterone.

Chips Lovell

Fausto Coppi, Charly Gaul, Frederico Bahamontes, Eddy Merckx, Bernard Hinault, Bjarne Riis, Jan Ullrich.

Bonus answer is Bahamontes.

penfold83

Seems you're the only one interested in a piece of pie el tonto?

You're not far wrong, you got 5/7. But Bahamontes isn't one of them, so the bonus answer aint right!

Want me to tell you the full answer?

Chips Lovell

Oops, just realised Bahamontes was a double national champ in 1958 not '59. I'm wondering if I was wrong about Charly Gaul too. He was a multiple Luxembourg champion, but it looks like he didn't win it the year he won the Tour.

I'm pretty sure I'm right about Coppi, Merckx, Hinault, Riis and Ullrich. Let's see if I can get the other two.

Chips Lovell

Right, are the other two Ferdi Kubler in 1950 and Fignon in 84? Double winner was Riis.

penfold83

You are indeed, correct with those 5.

Charly Gaul, unbelievably, was Luxembourg national champion every year from 1956-1962 except for 1958, the year he won the tour.

By the way, I'm basing these answers on a presumption that every year the national championships took place before the tour, as they do now. Otherwise, the answers could be a little bit skewed. It's very hard to find out the exact dates of these kind of races that far back.

Chips Lovell

penfold83 wrote: »

By the way, I'm basing these answers on a presumption that every year the national championships took place before the tour, as they do now. Otherwise, the answers could be a little bit skewed. It's very hard to find out the exact dates of these kind of races that far back.

Yeah, that's what makes it tricky. Most are held before the Tour these days, but it's hard to check for way back then. Old photos though are handy.

penfold83

el tonto wrote: »

Right, are the other two Ferdi Kubler in 1950 and Fignon in 84? Double winner was Riis.

Yep, those are the other two. And the double was indeed Riis whilst EPO'd up to the max.

Be honest now, did Mr.Wikipedia lend a hand? Ahem....

penfold83

Actually, sh!te, I've just realised I can't count up to 8. There are in fact 8 riders in the list I have in front of me, not 7.

So there's one more...

Chips Lovell

The first five I got I knew off the top of my head and checked to make sure. The other two were helped along by http://www.cyclingwebsite.net/

Chips Lovell

Eight? Now I'm stumped.

penfold83

If I remember rightly, the 8th fella waived his right to wear the full national champions jersey and chose instead to go for the trim on the sleeves. I don't ever remember him wearing the full national champions jersey.

Lumen

penfold83 wrote: »

Seems you're the only one interested in a piece of pie el tonto?

Chips Lovell

Still no joy. I take it my revised list of seven is right now?

mr. pleasant

sure indurain must have won a spanish championship in one of those 5 years?

Chips Lovell

mr. pleasant wrote: »

sure indurain must have won a spanish championship in one of those 5 years?

Nope. And amazingly Anquetil never won a national championship either.

mr. pleasant

yes!

Miguel Indurain started the 1992 Tour de France with only the colours of the Spanish flag on his arm bands because the sponsor wanted the maximum exposure.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/jul08/jul03news

and

http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/hof/spanien.Indurain.htm

Chips Lovell

mr. pleasant wrote: »

yes!



http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/jul08/jul03news

and

http://www.trap-friis.dk/cykling/hof/spanien.Indurain.htm

D'oh. I read through the list twice and missed it because of the double surname.

Chips Lovell

OK, who are the four riders to win the Tour as reigning World Champion?

mr. pleasant

lemond, hinault, merckx and bobet?

Chips Lovell

mr. pleasant wrote: »

lemond, hinault, merckx and bobet?

Correct

mr. pleasant

okay, i just went through this list:

http://www.cyclinghalloffame.com/races/results/results_worlds_road_race.txt

and those four have each won min. 3 tdf, so there was a good chance

penfold83

el tonto wrote: »

D'oh. I read through the list twice and missed it because of the double surname.

Indurain is indeed the correct answer. Won the Spanish nationals in 1992.

Hermy

If you're not already familiar with it http://www.memoire-du-cyclisme.net/ is a great resource for cycling results going back to the earliest races.