Travellers back on inner relief road

foggy_lad

there are now 6 caravans and associated vans dogs and kitchen and toilet waste parked up on the footpath just past the Eire og clubhouse and yet again the impotent council are doing very little to move these caravans on from their illegal camping ground.

do the council not care about local residents having to walk along the road instead of using the new footpath? are people's houses not devalued enough without having an illegal and unofficial halting site around the corner?


ps: i am not anti traveller but why did they park up on the footpath when the road is more than wide enough for a row of caravans etc without affecting the traffic flow?

SV

The council is afraid of them.
end of.


give the Gardas a ring, enough calls and they take action.

Jim K

Driving past the Tinryland club this morning and I see that some caravans have moved into an area just up from the clubhouse.
Maybe they are interested in football.

patrickc

theres nothing wrong with this thread so far, but i just want to bring peoples attention to this part of the forum charter

Note 2:- We understand that discussion of travellers can be a very touchy subject, which is why we ask for calm and common sense when posting. Terms such as pikeys, knackers, knick-knacks and the likes are deemed offensive and the use of such terms derail a thread into a bitch fest between anti-travellers and those defending them. The same is said to those who suggest that travellers should be all killed etc. To avoid this, we ask that when discussing them please just refer to them as "travellers" or "members of the travelling community". Discussion is not banned, but the use of stupid comments is banned. Thanks for your understanding.

just be mindful of this anyone posting in this thread


thanks

Patrick

testicle

foggy_lad wrote: »

i am not anti traveller but

Why is there always a but?

Whosbetter?

testicle wrote: »

Why is there always a but?

Well, there's always a 'but' where they're concerned.

The problems they create wherever they go are well known and documented.

If I were to give my own personal opinion on how to deal with them, I'd probably be banned for life!

For that reason, that's all I've got to say on it.

mikemac

Just keep calling the gardai and hassling your local councillors.
Be sure to remind your councillors that local elections are in June
Especially now they'll do their best for you.

Eventually they will take action, and then the cleanup begins.........

Jim K

Jim K wrote: »

Driving past the Tinryland club this morning and I see that some caravans have moved into an area just up from the clubhouse.
Maybe they are interested in football.

I see the caravans have moved from Tinryland GAA. Maybe they didnt like the style of football played there.

patrickc

i see theres about 6 caravans now on the eastern relief road.

darc

testicle wrote: »

Why is there always a but?

I am anti the section of travellers who continuously cause problems from March though to September in towns & cities throughout ireland.

Unfortunately for the many law abiding travellers, there is a huge minority of travellers who don't give a toss about environment / residents / businesses & who will use treathening behaviour to get their way.

The shoe must be put on the other foot and draconian laws, including immediate seizure of caravans / vehicles must be implemented and utilised to stop this annual scourge.

Thundercats Ho

Have they gone yet?
About 6-7 jeeps & caravans pulled up in the wexford road industrial estate today.

foggy_lad

7 caravans pulled up onto the footpath at the eire og club yet again on wednesday evening and as usual Carlow town/county councils are completly silent on the issue and about as usefull as the fleas on the travellers dogs.

Super-Rush

Its ridiculous that there has to be a court order granted before they can be moved

aynon

super-rush wrote: »

Its ridiculous that there has to be a court order granted before they can be moved

problem its because its a way of life, as much as i cant stop a Muslim praying on my property if they so chose to do it.(that i have against anyone praying, much less Muslims.)

Super-Rush

Could you really call parking up your caravan on private property, wrecking the place and telling the guards to f*** off when they tell you to move a way of life? I certainly could not. This is a criminal act, not a way of life. You might say that you couldn't do anything about someone of the Muslim faith from praying on your front lawn because it was their way of life, fair point, But say if i came into your garden, pitched my tent, took a sh1t in your fountain and told you to f*** off when you complained about it. You would be on the phone to the local constabulary and they would have me moved on in ten seconds flat. There is no difference between what i done and what the travellers do on a daily basis. The same crime was committed but one couldn't be punished until the proper procedures were followed. The only reason for this is because one involved travellers and one involved 'settled people'. I dont see this as a way of life i see it as a load of horse manure.

patrickc

whosbetter banned for a week, for making comments re killing travellers.

everyone else read the forum charter if you have any ideas re insulting travellers, harming them etc.


thanks

Patrick

aynon

patrickc wrote: »

whosbetter banned for a week, for making comments re killing travellers.

everyone else read the forum charter if you have any ideas re insulting travellers, harming them etc.


thanks

Patrick

rightfully so!

foggy_lad

whosbetter banned for a week, for making comments re killing travellers.

totally agree but i wish there was a way of banning these damned travellers from polluting the area here with rubbish and excrement.

mirror mirror

a good few years ago near where i live , people parked up on side of road.trash,horses and everything else associated with them all over the place. gardai came and they were laughed at. landowner came and he was threatened .so one night big dung spreader came full of dodo and covered the illegal park-up. next morning they were gone.2 jcbs cleaned up area and a few boulders were placed.no more illegal parking anymore.

foggy_lad

the travellers have invaded yet again! yesterday evening there were a few caravans but they multiplied overnight! also the local candidates would know nothing of this because they have been avouding rivercourt! maybe it is too far out or they are afraid of the travellers?

as said before the local councils are useless and not worth the allowances and expences they get when this is allowed to happen!

also i dont understand why the guards cant remove them as they are parked on the public roadway and footpaths! do they even do a proper check for tax and insurance and licences for travellers or do they consider it a waste of their time?

shenanigans1982

foggy_lad wrote: »

also i dont understand why the guards cant remove them as they are parked on the public roadway and footpaths! do they even do a proper check for tax and insurance and licences for travellers or do they consider it a waste of their time?

It comes down to the whole thing of one rule for them, one rule for everyone else.

I was in my parents yesterday and the council were doing a rubbish pick up. From first thing in the morning the whole road had to put up with vans driving up and down the road, rooting through bags outside their house and throwing whatever they didn't like the look of out onto the street, knocking on the doors asking if they had anything they didn't want and pretty much just feel intimidated by their presence while the guards drove up the road once as fast as they could while turning a blind eye.

Sh*t like that is really annoying.

Whosbetter?

Ah sure it's part of their unique culture.:rolleyes:

Our country desperately needs to preserve their way of life.

It's so important that these people get the 'ethnic status' that they are brilliantly entitled to.

So what if it costs us extra?


They're worth it.

mega man

foggy_lad wrote: »

there are now 6 caravans and associated vans dogs and kitchen and toilet waste parked up on the footpath just past the Eire og clubhouse and yet again the impotent council are doing very little to move these caravans on from their illegal camping ground.

do the council not care about local residents having to walk along the road instead of using the new footpath? are people's houses not devalued enough without having an illegal and unofficial halting site around the corner?


ps: i am not anti traveller but why did they park up on the footpath when the road is more than wide enough for a row of caravans etc without affecting the traffic flow?

You just have to put up with these people. I know how frustrating it can be dealing with the travelling community.
There was a case in Co. Mayo where residents were complaining about a family of travellers who planted themselves on the side of a GAA pitch and refused to move. They destroyed the place with rubbish. The locals decided to fight fire with fire and abandoned a truck load of dead animal carcass beside there site.
They left within two days from the smell. It was on the news.

foggy_lad

this crowd are gathering up a lot of copper wire and cable behind one of their caravans including a hot water cylinder and a lot of pipes that looks straight out of a house! they will like the ones that went before them leave their rubbish and dirt behind them and leave another patch of soil poisoned forever yet the green party are not interested in stopping them lighting their bonfires and polluting the athmosphere?

Whosbetter?

foggy_lad wrote: »

this crowd are gathering up a lot of copper wire and cable behind one of their caravans including a hot water cylinder and a lot of pipes that looks straight out of a house! they will like the ones that went before them leave their rubbish and dirt behind them and leave another patch of soil poisoned forever yet the green party are not interested in stopping them lighting their bonfires and polluting the athmosphere?

That's an intresting point!:D

foggy_lad

another lot of caravans and cars vans dogs etc has moved onto the footpath down by the eire og club! no bonus for guessing what they are here for(fire gutted buildings are usually an easy source of copper)

tombull82

I see that someone decided to not so politely ask the residence of the caravan on the new road to move on....

They just smashed all their windows in.... I wonder who would have been up to that :rolleyes:

ShayK1

foggy_lad wrote: »

another lot of caravans and cars vans dogs etc has moved onto the footpath down by the eire og club! no bonus for guessing what they are here for(fire gutted buildings are usually an easy source of copper)

I saw between 4 and 6 caravans down there maybe a month ago. I don't know if its the same crowd still there or a new crowd

foggy_lad

ShayK1 wrote: »

I saw between 4 and 6 caravans down there maybe a month ago. I don't know if its the same crowd still there or a new crowd

they are new they arrived this afternoon to use carlow as a toilet.
Obviously the council will do nothing until someone with money complains about these travellers as the council do not want to waste money on moving the travellers on.

Update - 15 caravans last count and many vans already turning up today with loads of wire from houses like cooker wire etc this is being brought into the field to be burnt when they feel they have scavanged enough! they are not finding all this copper stuff on the side of the road! also noticed a few of the vans have no tax or insurance details displayed but the guards cant be bothered as it is not serious crime that might get them a promotion!

babybel21

i dont mean to be mean but i'd rather travellers everywhere than scumbags. Sick of goin everywhere and seein scumbags!

shenanigans1982

babybel21 wrote: »

i dont mean to be mean but i'd rather travellers everywhere than scumbags. Sick of goin everywhere and seein scumbags!

Unfortunately in a lot of cases they are the same things.

babybel21

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Unfortunately in a lot of cases they are the same things.

im sorry but no der not. scumbags pretend to be travellers to give dem a bad name. but as bad as travellers are they would never harm anyone for fun! lets be fair guys!

patrickc

please refer to the forum charter when discussing travellers

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055183314

Note 2:- We understand that discussion of travellers can be a very touchy subject, which is why we ask for calm and common sense when posting. Terms such as pikeys, knackers, knick-knacks and the likes are deemed offensive and the use of such terms derail a thread into a bitch fest between anti-travellers and those defending them. The same is said to those who suggest that travellers should be all killed etc. To avoid this, we ask that when discussing them please just refer to them as "travellers" or "members of the travelling community". Discussion is not banned, but the use of stupid comments is banned. Thanks for your understanding.

Git101

Some time ago the county council put barriers on the carpark in Tullow (opposite the council offices/library) with an exit charge of 2 euros.

I'm sure the council would love to recover the cost of installing these barriers but nobody uses the carpark because of the charge.

They appear to have come up with a novel way of fundraising.

Earlier this week I noticed a group of travellers had taken up residence in the carpark. A total of maybe 6 or 8 vehicles so if ever they decide to move on the council could look forward to raising about 12-16 euros.
This is not a huge amount of revenue but it's better than nothing.

However there is some good news, as I passed by this morning I noticed that the number of vehicles had substantialy increased to maybe 20/25 so the council can now raise around 50 euros..... not bad eh !

mickos

that carpark is a bit of a joke alrite. it used to be fairly full all the time. Some bright spark sitting at his desk across the road gets thinkin there's a few quid to be made here and sticks up a barrier. Now no one uses it. Are Tullow people to mean to pay €2 for parking? I know I am anyway:D

tombull82

seen that coming. ;-)

shenanigans1982

babybel21 wrote: »

im sorry but no der not. scumbags pretend to be travellers to give dem a bad name. but as bad as travellers are they would never harm anyone for fun! lets be fair guys!

Seriously?

Maybe you should have been there to tell that to my girlfriend the night I ended up in a fight with one of them as we were walking home minding our own business.

Or maybe you could come up and explain that to my uncle whose son was stabbed by one because they were refused entry to a party.

Or tell it to my neighbour who had all his work tools robbed from his van by them.

Nobody would pretend to be a traveller, they have the reputation they have because of their actions.And while it's not all of them unfortunately the bad far outweigh the good ensuring that the image most people have of travellers is a negative one.

The Gish

Aw come on folks. These charges are required to pay for the traffic wardens that dont do their job, the litter wardens that are afraid to bring people to court for littering, the road workers that cant fill a hole properly, and oh yeah dont forget the junkets to far away places for the senior council employees and the elected representatives.
Thats my rant for Friday.

HugoIrl

What are taxes for then??? I'm sorry, I forgot they are for minister pensions, expenses, their big cars, blah blah blah.

(Thought I'd add to the rant:))

Git101

Bad news lads, I've just driven past the carpark and it would seem that our traveller friends have decided to move on.

Hold on, hold on that's not the bad news.

The bad news is........... somebody has removed the barrier from the exit so now the council will not get their 40/50 euros in parking fees..

That's it, no more road repairs this year.......

ShayK1

The annual graveyard mass is in Tullow tonight. It always attracts alot of the travelling community. Apparently alot of their deceased are buried in Tullow.

Git101

Spoke too soon.... They're back.... about 14 or 15 vehicles...

I thought that they may have been off doing a tarmac job or something but I see on another thread on this forum that there is a mass in Tullow that brings the Travellers to town..

Whosbetter?

ShayK1 wrote: »

The annual graveyard mass is in Tullow tonight. It always attracts alot of the travelling community. Apparently alot of their deceased are buried in Tullow.

Their headstones are a sight to behold, I'm told.:rolleyes:

patrickc

since this has merged into traveller talk also, going to move it with the other traveller thread

foggy_lad

ShayK1 wrote: »

The annual graveyard mass is in Tullow tonight. It always attracts alot of the travelling community. Apparently alot of their deceased are buried in Tullow.

why dont these travellers camp outside the graveyard in tullow then instead of crapping all over carlow? there should rea;;y be a law preventing more than two caravans on any street or road as it would constitute an illegal gathering.

Whosbetter?

foggy_lad wrote: »

why dont these travellers camp outside the graveyard in tullow then instead of crapping all over carlow? there should rea;;y be a law preventing more than two caravans on any street or road as it would constitute an illegal gathering.

Sorry Fog, It seems that these types can get away with what they like.
If mere mortals like us object, 'Pavee Point' & suchlike come down from Dublin shouting about 'their rights' , but yet never seem to provide some kind of an answer/compromise to the situation.

That's why the vast majority of right thinking people regard them as total scum!

And Y'know what? Who's to blame for this? Anyone ?

They've gone beyond any kind of recognition even in their own country & they only have their own selves to blame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

ShayK1

Lads, can ye ease up a little bit with the tone of your posts. I understand that you are mad but comments like this are pushing it a bit.

Whosbetter? wrote: »

That's why the vast majority of right thinking people regard them as total scum!

Thanks.

Whosbetter?

Sorry, I seem like a bit of an extremist on this.
But I'm old enough to remember when they were regarded as 'alright'

I, personally have had plenty of dealings with them in years gone by.

All good.

It's just that in the last few years or so, they decided to challenge the system. i.e. us.

They want to do what they like & then expect the rest of us to pick up the tab.

They've become drunk on tax-free earnings, inbreeding & benefits, paid for by you & me.

In return, what do we get?

Them, blathering about their rights & wanting us to shell out even more dosh to preserve their traditions as an 'ethnic minority'.

C'mon, lets get real about the situation.

Also. What are their traditions now anyway?


Sellin carpets?
Street brawling?
Robbing/stealing?
Antisocial behaeviour?

They need the Mother & Father of all public relations agencies to bring them back into any kind of acceptance with the public at large.

Sadly, they don't seem intrested in that.........

babybel21

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Seriously?

Maybe you should have been there to tell that to my girlfriend the night I ended up in a fight with one of them as we were walking home minding our own business.

Or maybe you could come up and explain that to my uncle whose son was stabbed by one because they were refused entry to a party.

Or tell it to my neighbour who had all his work tools robbed from his van by them.

Nobody would pretend to be a traveller, they have the reputation they have because of their actions.And while it's not all of them unfortunately the bad far outweigh the good ensuring that the image most people have of travellers is a negative one.

sorry but where exactly do you live??

i live in just outside carlow town and trust me der are many livin around here in caravans once nobody goes near them dey dont go near you!

last year a total and utter scumbag came at me with a knife ready to kill me or rape me i dunno what i was scared out of my mind dis was in the town jus beside st killians crescent and 4 travellers walked past and saw me crying with a knife to my throat and grabbed de guy off me and bet him up and den brought me home and made sure i was ok even offered me money thinkin stuff was stolen off me (obviously i refused) so i apologise that my dealings with them are different to others!

and of course i no there are bad ones out there and de fact that they have they're own laws in the eyes of the irish government and that they get more money than anyone else is very unfair but thats like sayin that all carlovians are scum when infact the majority of them are not.

I hate this topic but im a very arguementative person bout things that im strong about! hope nobody hates me for it!

foggy_lad

my gripe has nothing to do with their benefits or really what ethnicity they claim to have but more about the fact they can break the laws of the land without anyone taking any interest at all!

where are the guards when 15-20 caravans pull into a town? years ago carlow guards would have known these travellers were nearing town and would have stayed with them to ensure they did not break the law by trespassing or camping illegally, but now they can stop and set up their camp wherever they want knowing the guards wont go near they because it is too time consuming and the councils wont go to court to get them moved on aas they do not want to spend the money.

my main gripe is with the institutions of the state ignoring the rights of the majority of hard working people in favour of doing nothing and letting the travellers break as many laws as they want and tresspass anywhere not to mention the damage to the environment from their fires.

there are plenty of halting sites so travellers camping illegally should be subject to having their vans caravans etc impounded immediately. saying that you do not get on with another family on a halting site is not a good enough reason to break the laws of the land!

SV

babybel21 wrote: »

sorry but where exactly do you live??

i live in just outside carlow town and trust me der are many livin around here in caravans once nobody goes near them dey dont go near you!

last year a total and utter scumbag came at me with a knife ready to kill me or rape me i dunno what i was scared out of my mind dis was in the town jus beside st killians crescent and 4 travellers walked past and saw me crying with a knife to my throat and grabbed de guy off me and bet him up and den brought me home and made sure i was ok even offered me money thinkin stuff was stolen off me (obviously i refused) so i apologise that my dealings with them are different to others!

and of course i no there are bad ones out there and de fact that they have they're own laws in the eyes of the irish government and that they get more money than anyone else is very unfair but thats like sayin that all carlovians are scum when infact the majority of them are not.

I hate this topic but im a very arguementative person bout things that im strong about! hope nobody hates me for it!

Well with your story you won't appreciate the countless times I've had death threats made against me by members of the travelling community.
I've had a few made by general scum as well but nothing close to that of the former.