2 Military Personnel shot dead in NI

Local-womanizer

It has been posted in AH,just thought I would post it here aswell.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7930837.stm

Hope to god it isent what many people think it is,dissident republicans.It has been talked about in the last few days of renewed attacks.:(

Thoughts go out to the Families of all those involved:(

A good point from the SDLP:"They need to understand this is not an attack on British army but the Irish people who have voted for and value above all else peaceful politics and democratic accommodation."

(Mods,if you feel the need to remove it as it is in another forum do.If so,sorry for the trouble in advance)

marco murphy

Something suspicious about the timing in this.
Better wait for more facts.

andrewdeerpark

I only hope its not some scumbag supposed Irish freedom fighter splinter group or the like; last thing the country needs now is the NI conflict kicking off.

See how Sinn Fein reacts...

This seems like a duck shoot of unarmed people pure butchery and the murderers should have no safe house or hiding place, our thoughts are with the families of the dead.

Again we do need more facts to make a definite conclusion.

spadder

Perestroika wrote: »

Something suspicious about the timing in this.
Better wait for more facts.

Yeah, all week we have been hearing that they are raising their alertness level.
It was even on Joe Duffy during the week:

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/europe/ireland

Do you think this was a sectarian murder or something else?

Duffers

RIP. Hope the people injured make a recovery. I also hope this does not signify the beginning of a new wave of activity from the IRA scum.

Perestroika wrote: »

Something suspicious about the timing in this.
Better wait for more facts.

Care to elaborate on that?

Zuiderzee

Tragic and pointless murder

iceage

Duffers wrote: »

RIP. Hope the people injured make a recovery. I also hope this does not signify the beginning of a new wave of activity from the IRA scum.




Care to elaborate on that?

Like many I'm sure, I'm truly saddened by last nights events, and have to admit that I believed that there was a chance that the peace would continue in the north but as we all know the threat level had been recently reviewed, this is all common knowledge.

now is not the time to let speculation take over and tempers flare. The facts are coming so lets wait.

As for these murdering bastids, their intentions are clearly to upset and derail the processes in place, they've been trying recently lets not allow this to happen.

Condolences to the family and muckers of these two lads, may they rest in peace. At ease lads...



Addition: More details coming down the grapevine... :mad: Am going to find somewhere quiet, to count to 10. and start counting again for a while........

lostexpectation

the interesting thing was that a batch of soldiers just left there for afghanisatan

Duffers

iceage wrote: »

Like many I'm sure, I'm truly saddened by last nights events, and have to admit that I believed that there was a chance that the peace would continue in the north but as we all know the threat level had been recently reviewed, this is all common knowledge.

now is not the time to let speculation take over and tempers flare. The facts are coming so lets wait.

As for these murdering bastids, their intentions are clearly to upset and derail the processes in place, they've been trying recently lets not allow this to happen.

Condolences to the family and muckers of these two lads, may they rest in peace. At ease lads...



Addition: More details coming down the grapevine... :mad: Am going to find somewhere quiet, to count to 10. and start counting again for a while........

You're dead right mate, Perestroika ignore my question please.

marco murphy

Duffers wrote: »

You're dead right mate, Perestroika ignore my question please.

Heres a fact thats not on the news, the CCTV system was ''under maintenance''.
Fishy fishy.

marco murphy

spadder wrote: »

Yeah, all week we have been hearing that they are raising their alertness level.
It was even on Joe Duffy during the week:

http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/travelling-and-living-overseas/travel-advice-by-country/europe/ireland

Do you think this was a sectarian murder or something else?

I wuldn't rule it out being MI5

iceage

Perestroika wrote: »

Heres a fact thats not on the news, the CCTV system was ''under maintenance''.
Fishy fishy.

Really, where'd you get that nugget? and as to the mention of MI5 isn't that all a bit James Bondish or is there something else you'd like to share with us.

TomRooney

at the end of the day it is terrible to see any human lose there life, but the fact is no british troops have any right to be on irish soil, let alone 4000 of them in the 6 countys.

the fact remains and history has thought us, that although there may be lulls in activity as long as there are british troops occupying irish soil, then there will be those who oppose them.

steyr fan

TomRooney - do YOU oppose them?

Poccington

TomRooney wrote: »

at the end of the day it is terrible to see any human lose there life, but the fact is no british troops have any right to be on irish soil, let alone 4000 of them in the 6 countys.

the fact remains and history has thought us, that although there may be lulls in activity as long as there are british troops occupying irish soil, then there will be those who oppose them.

I'm gonna come right out and say this even though it'll most likely get me in trouble... You're scum. You're nothing more than an IRA apologist, in other threads, speaking of how if an IRA man is killed that they will be "Martyrs for Ireland", that the IRA hold the moral high ground and practically applauding the IRA's actions. I sincerely hope you don't serve in the DF anymore because if you do, you're a disgrace to the uniform.

We voted away our constitutional right to the North back in 98, get ****ing over it. Most people thankfully have moved away from your ignorant and hate filled way of thinking.

Oh and before you feel the need to mention it like you usually do, yes I know you were in Liberia. :rolleyes:

martinr5232

Sounds like someone wants to serve in two armys.

minidazzler

TomRooney wrote: »

at the end of the day it is terrible to see any human lose there life, but the fact is no british troops have any right to be on irish soil, let alone 4000 of them in the 6 countys.

the fact remains and history has thought us, that although there may be lulls in activity as long as there are british troops occupying irish soil, then there will be those who oppose them.

Yep, and those who oppose by violent action's are scumbag piece's of ****. This was an act of terrorism, simple as, they also shot, civilians you must remember. Or is your memory clouded by your absolute stupidity. You IRA-sympathising cnut.

Your second paragraph, I can shorten it for you, that simple phrase that those "nationalist"* cnut's use. No Surrender. Fcuk you, and the organisation you so blatantly support.


*I put nationalist in "" because I do not believe those gun-toting cnuts are actually nationalist. I am a nationalist, I love my country, they are just power-hungry criminals.

arybvtcw0eolkf

TomRooney wrote: »

at the end of the day it is terrible to see any human lose there life, but the fact is no british troops have any right to be on irish soil, let alone 4000 of them in the 6 countys.

the fact remains and history has thought us, that although there may be lulls in activity as long as there are british troops occupying irish soil, then there will be those who oppose them.

I agree completely.

Scratch the surface of this country and the same problem exists - there's a British occupation, and that will always be resisted by Irish men and women.

But recent history has shown us that resistance can be through peaceful, political means & the ballot box, not the armalite.

I'm in no way making excuses for this terrible act, but the blood of generations of Irish resistance fighters run's deep and we shouldn't fool ourselves into a false sense of security about this.

And make no mistake that we're not targets ourselves, both from within the nationalist-republican & the loyalist communities - we should all be on our guard.

Btw, Poccington and Minidazzler are banned from this forum for two weeks - personal abuse.


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cyrusdvirus

[paraphrasing the idiots who support this attack]Lord knows those 2 pizza boys were an obvious target..... i mean how dare they just go do their jobs. Obvious sympathisers with the british. Long live
our brave freedom fighters who shoot unarmed delivery men.... [/paraphrasing the idiots who support this attack]



The animals who carried out these shootings are scum. Pure and simple. There is no justifacation for these attacks no matter how you try and view it

Run_to_da_hills

Sounds like an inside job, apparently these soldiers had "armed security personnel" which did not give any resistance. This is just another excuse for Gordon Browne to extend police state surveillance to Northern Ireland , the roll out of ANPR CCTV, the national ID, new anti terror measures and electronic smart card border control. Watch this space.

twinytwo

TomRooney wrote: »

at the end of the day it is terrible to see any human lose there life, but the fact is no british troops have any right to be on irish soil, let alone 4000 of them in the 6 countys.

the fact remains and history has thought us, that although there may be lulls in activity as long as there are british troops occupying irish soil, then there will be those who oppose them.

Last time i checked no one has the right to commit murder like a coward on irish soil either.


What is with them trying to justify the killings of the pizza guys by saying they were collaborators... how is delivering a pizza collaborating???

BigDuffman

Cant believe the scumbag drug dealing provo's are back at it again. I thought it was all over. A pointless killing. Not to mention the civilians that were killed in the process.

At the end of the day, as has been stated above. As long as their are troops occupying the North there will be tension. But murdering young lads wont solve anything. The "Brits are out" so to speak. The boys in question where off to Afghan. So what was achieved by killing? Besides outrage on both sides of border. The "cause" has never looked so weak and pittyful as it has now.

Some might even say cowardice. As when the occupation was in full swing for the last 5 years or so you barely heard a squeak from the scum. But when the troop numbers where at their lowest they start taking pot-shots again.

I'm usually not so pathetic or pedantic, but this annoys me...Mr. Rooney for such a patriot, it would be nice to see you spell at least our own country with a capital "I". Good man, yourself.

RIP to the lads. Such a waste.

lazybhoy

Mairt wrote: »

I agree completely.

Scratch the surface of this country and the same problem exists - there's a British occupation, and that will always be resisted by Irish men and women.

But recent history has shown us that resistance can be through peaceful, political means & the ballot box, not the armalite.

I'm in no way making excuses for this terrible act, but the blood of generations of Irish resistance fighters run's deep and we shouldn't fool ourselves into a false sense of security about this.

And make no mistake that we're not targets ourselves, both from within the nationalist-republican & the loyalist communities - we should all be on our guard.

Btw, Poccington and Minidazzler are banned from this forum for two weeks - personal abuse.


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The free state army was not/is not is in a position to take on the loyalist population in NI if Britain withdrew, many of whom have military training in the UDR, etc. Without proper intellience corps, proper resources etc.

It would have been a meatgrinder, It would have taken seriously casulties, and nor would the population in the republic wanted that.

Lets not forget the IRA also killed freestate soldiers.

lazybhoy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Sounds like an inside job, apparently these soldiers had "armed security personnel" which did not give any resistance. This is just another excuse for Gordon Browne to extend police state surveillance to Northern Ireland , the roll out of ANPR CCTV, the national ID, new anti terror measures and electronic smart card border control. Watch this space.

Civilian security staff protecting barracks on the cheap is a disgrace.

christophicus

Just to clarify, the delivery people have not died yet afaik, nor does it sound like they will from what I've heard on the news.

arybvtcw0eolkf

lazybhoy wrote: »

The free state army was not/is not is in a position to take on the loyalist population in NI if Britain withdrew, many of whom have military training in the UDR, etc. Without proper intellience corps, proper resources etc.

It would have been a meatgrinder, It would have taken seriously casulties, and nor would the population in the republic wanted that.

Lets not forget the IRA also killed freestate soldiers.

Your assuming alot there.

Whilst I want the British out of the north there is a peaceful, democratic and popular way forward.

My biggest fear for a long time was that the Brits would pullout and leave a divided Ireland, and a bloodbath in their wake. Thankfully my fear's were never realised.

But TomRooney has taken alot of abuse here for speaking the truth too, there is a tension in Ireland and while there's a foreign occupation here there'll always be a threat to both its forces and establishment - AND TO US IN THE FREE STATE!.

Guys, don't be fooled into thinking the likes of the RIRA, CIRA etc are not getting intelligence on us here in the south too, they are!.

But anyway, these murder's and the debates following them reminds me of the oration of Padraig Pearse over the grave of O'Donovan Rossa, and in particular the last paragraphy ..

"Life springs from death; and from the graves of patriot men and women spring living nations. The Defenders of this Realm have worked well in secret and in the open. They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but, the fools, the fools, the fools! — They have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace."

Lads, if this doesn't break the ceasefire now while the British establishment remain in Ireland it will happen again, maybe not today or next week - or even in the next ten years. But it'll happen again, as sure as Maggie Thatcher will die screaming it'll happen again.

Duffers

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Sounds like an inside job, apparently these soldiers had "armed security personnel" which did not give any resistance. This is just another excuse for Gordon Browne to extend police state surveillance to Northern Ireland , the roll out of ANPR CCTV, the national ID, new anti terror measures and electronic smart card border control. Watch this space.

I'm not too sure but generally camp gates are guarded by the MPGS who are all ex squaddies. They would not be involved in an inside job.
Mairt...I m not too sure what the message of your post is there?
Your views do, however, show that there are many shades of grey in the spectrum of opinions on Nationalism. It's not as simple as some other posters would have it.
I just hope that these murdering scum are brought to justice.

Leadership

Disappointing thread for me, many of you should know better I have just re-read this a few times and basic point being made is that it is ok for any British service man to be taken out if he is in Ireland.

Duffers

Leadership wrote: »

Disappointing thread for me, many of you should know better I have just re-read this a few times and basic point being made is that it is ok for any British service man to be taken out if he is in Ireland.

Agreed, I am disappointed with some of the sentiments expressed too.
Maybe I need to re read the thread as I am not 100% clear on some of the posts and what they are trying to say...but the idea that two blokes getting some scran are a 'legitimate target'...what can I say? I am left slack jawed by some of the posts on this subject in other threads and have to wonder about this country. There are a lot of folks making a lot of sense, and then there are a few making some boderline sympathiser statements, and then there are the lunatic crew frothing at the mouth. Of whom I would say Tom Rooney is one. That's not a swipe at him personally, before I get banned too, but a comment on the opinions he is expressing.
Two unarmed young sappers killed, how can you justify that?? It's got naff all to do with politics, those who feel that it does are legitimising the actions of the criminal scum who comitted this act of barbaric violence

arybvtcw0eolkf

Duffers wrote: »

Mairt...I m not too sure what the message of your post is there?
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I'll try to break it down.

As long as there are British forces in Ireland there will always be a resistance.

Resistance doesn't have to be the Armalite, peace and unity WILL come from the ballot box. There's a peaceful and democratic process steering us towards an eventual united Ireland - I truely believe this.

But the gunman will always lurk in the shadows, he'll watch us all - on both sides of the border!.

He's our enemy.

Duffers

Thanks Mairt.
I agree with you on quite a few points which I think you've articulated very well, but there are other areas where I totally disagree.

BigDuffman

This is running off topic here, but I just have to say it. I'd consider myself as patriotic as can be. But a united Ireland is not realistic in our lifetimes. Kill as many young soldiers as you want. But Ireland as a nation does not have the resources to go into the north and govern it.

We would not be able secure it or maintain it. We can barely manage to keep the republic afloat and police the south. Never mind having a load of crazed loyalist scumbags launching an internal terror campaign. Both the Gardai, DF and government would not be able to deal with the situation if the UK washed its hands and gave us back the 6 counties tomorrow.

The only way is through peacefull negotiations and political movement.

Northern Ireland is a massive drain on the UK, its only a matter of time before things change.

I would dream about a united Ireland but unfortunately that is all it will be, a dream.

TouchingVirus

I'm going to chime in with Mairt on this one folks ..if you scratch the surface there are still a lot of people who are opposed to British soldiers on Irish soil. Sectarian attacks still happen, even if it's less frequently. Catholics still feel intimitated in Protestant areas of Belfast and vice versa.

There is a peaceful resolution to this, a civilised resolution. But there will always be those willing to ignore the will of the people they claim to represent and take up arms and start shooting the **** out of each others, and that is just the way it is.

And by the way, to make myself clear, I do have sympathy for the families and friends of those soldiers who were callously murdered and I hope the perpetrators are caught and brought to justice, I just don't want to read about 100 republicans shot against a wall in retaliation and a return of tit for tat violence in the North - things were just started to get remotely positive...

realismpol

Inside job. Totally. I was watching bbc news earlier in the week and they were doing special reports on bbc northern ireland on wednesday night on how there was an increased threat based on intelligence:rolleyes: from the real ira and that there was going to be an attack. As if on queue we get an attack on Saturday. I guess this is coming from the same intelligence organisation that found wmd's in iraq...oh wait yes it is.

Theres definetly too many inconsistencies and conincidences for me to believe this attack was anything but an inside job and i would urge people to examine the background information before this attack too. Firstly the real ira hasn't killed a british soldier since 1997.
They have had ample opportunity to kill british soldiers in the 12 years since 1997.And the style of the attack doesn't sound much like them either. Usually they plant bombs not open fire on troops from point blank range. The attack seemed amatuer. Even for the real ira such an attack proves pointless. The whole pizza delivery thing too sounds like a effort to stir up as much public rage as possible to the 'animals' as possible. I have my doubts as i always do with intelligence agencies and governments particualarly ones who have been proven to be corrupt. We will now wait for the proposed legislation which will no doubt stamp all over the civil rights of the people to defeat the 'ficticious ' terrorists. Problem, reaction, solution. Nanny state britain is at it again.


Funny how an attack comes in the middle of the worst economic ****storm ever and when the politicians/police both here in the republic and in the u.k are being examined for their shady ties to both criminal organisations(prime time last week) and in the u.k(rbs bank) and their cosy relationship to the now defunct international banker cartels. No better way to get people's mind off this then to stir up the whole northern ireland issue. That way the people will come crawling back to them for their 'security' and no doubt the legislation will be inacted to do this. There is so much shady things going between the corrupt people that run our countries its hard to believe a single thing they tell you anymore. If you don't think they are capable of arranging the above you are extremely naive.

Irish_Army01

Mairt wrote: »

I'll try to break it down.

As long as there are British forces in Ireland there will always be a resistance.

Resistance doesn't have to be the Armalite, peace and unity WILL come from the ballot box. There's a peaceful and democratic process steering us towards an eventual united Ireland - I truely believe this.

But the gunman will always lurk in the shadows, he'll watch us all - on both sides of the border!.

He's our enemy.

I'm glad you clarified that Mairt..But as Duffers has said Some of your comments are grey.. In my opinion borderline Sympathiser ..I hope I'm wrong.

Duffers

realismpol wrote: »

Inside job. Totally. I was watching bbc news earlier in the week and they were doing special reports on bbc northern ireland on wednesday night on how there was an increased threat based on intelligence:rolleyes: from the real ira and that there was going to be an attack. As if on queue we get an attack on Saturday. I guess this is coming from the same intelligence organisation that found wmd's in iraq...oh wait yes it is.

Theres definetly too many inconsistencies and conincidences for me to believe this attack was anything but an inside job and i would urge people to examine the background information before this attack too. Firstly the real ira hasn't killed a british soldier since 1997.
They have had ample opportunity to kill british soldiers in the 12 years since 1997.And the style of the attack doesn't sound much like them either. Usually they plant bombs not open fire on troops from point blank range. The attack seemed amatuer. Even for the real ira such an attack proves pointless. The whole pizza delivery thing too sounds like a effort to stir up as much public rage as possible to the 'animals' as possible. I have my doubts as i always do with intelligence agencies and governments particualarly ones who have been proven to be corrupt. We will now wait for the proposed legislation which will no doubt stamp all over the civil rights of the people to defeat the 'ficticious ' terrorists. Problem, reaction, solution. Nanny state britain is at it again.


Funny how an attack comes in the middle of the worst economic ****storm ever and when the politicians/police both here in the republic and in the u.k are being examined for their shady ties to both criminal organisations(prime time last week) and in the u.k(rbs bank) and their cosy relationship to the now defunct international banker cartels. No better way to get people's mind off this then to stir up the whole northern ireland issue. That way the people will come crawling back to them for their 'security' and no doubt the legislation will be inacted to do this. There is so much shady things going between the corrupt people that run our countries its hard to believe a single thing they tell you anymore. If you don't think they are capable of arranging the above you are extremely naive.

Yawn.

twinytwo

Mairt wrote: »

I'll try to break it down.

As long as there are British forces in Ireland there will always be a resistance.

Resistance doesn't have to be the Armalite, peace and unity WILL come from the ballot box. There's a peaceful and democratic process steering us towards an eventual united Ireland - I truely believe this.

But the gunman will always lurk in the shadows, he'll watch us all - on both sides of the border!.

He's our enemy.

Britsh Soldier with Accuracy International AW50 > Gunman lurking in shadows

TomRooney

Poccington wrote: »

I'm gonna come right out and say this even though it'll most likely get me in trouble... You're scum. You're nothing more than an IRA apologist, in other threads, speaking of how if an IRA man is killed that they will be "Martyrs for Ireland", that the IRA hold the moral high ground and practically applauding the IRA's actions. I sincerely hope you don't serve in the DF anymore because if you do, you're a disgrace to the uniform.

We voted away our constitutional right to the North back in 98, get ****ing over it. Most people thankfully have moved away from your ignorant and hate filled way of thinking.

Oh and before you feel the need to mention it like you usually do, yes I know you were in Liberia. :rolleyes:

childish rant, get educated and grow up child.

Morpheus

The above (by realismpol) is nothing short of an abominable snowman of a conspiracy theory.

you honestly think that this was done to somehow make right the political decisions being made in handling the recession in not only the UK but also the Republic?

You think that the UK would carry out the killing of two of its own to benefit politicians not only there but here too?

That you've made this post your first says a lot.

You also say it was amateur? in what sense? because innocents were caught in the crossfire? Because they only killed two? look at the facts:

They managed to not only gun down a large number of people initially but they held their nerve (AT THE FRONT GATES OF A UK ARMY BARRACKS) long enough to approach the injured and attempt to finish them off (tragically killing two) in a second volley, all the time preventing the guards at the gates from getting a clear shot at them either by positioning the victims between them and the guards (going by news reports) or maybe by using suppresive fire on the guard house.

They had planned this attack for some time, that much is obvious and they had no regard for civilians, much like the Omagh bombing.

It has all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack because thats what it was!!! The RIRA are scum and the attack a shameless attempt to drag this corpse of a war from its godforsaken grave, one which THE MAJORITY of people both sides of the border have time and again said that they want nothing to with.

TomRooney

steyr fan wrote: »

TomRooney - do YOU oppose them?

i dont advocate voilence.
i do however believe the 6 countys belong to the irish nation and are part of the original 9 county ulster.

also i believe there should be no british troops on any part of irish soil.

twinytwo

TomRooney wrote: »

childish rant, get educated and grow up child.

This coming from Mr Tom" Im a soldier better listen good boy" Rooney

José Alaninho

BigDuffman wrote: »

Cant believe the scumbag drug dealing provos are back at it again.

Real IRA claimed responsibility. Nice try though!

..... :rolleyes:

arybvtcw0eolkf

TomRooney wrote: »

childish rant, get educated and grow up child.

I'm getting sick of your attitude, stop winding them up.

And in particular a member whose been banned and can't reply.

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TomRooney

Mairt wrote: »

I agree completely.

Scratch the surface of this country and the same problem exists - there's a British occupation, and that will always be resisted by Irish men and women.

But recent history has shown us that resistance can be through peaceful, political means & the ballot box, not the armalite.

I'm in no way making excuses for this terrible act, but the blood of generations of Irish resistance fighters run's deep and we shouldn't fool ourselves into a false sense of security about this.

And make no mistake that we're not targets ourselves, both from within the nationalist-republican & the loyalist communities - we should all be on our guard.

Btw, Poccington and Minidazzler are banned from this forum for two weeks - personal abuse.


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i agree with this.

but i think where the support for these groups come from is the lack of any real political struggle.

Provisional sinn fein, are in a perfect position to institute a political struggle but they dont want to rock the boat, and have just become like the sdlp and others.

believe or not these groups have a lot more support than the media would lead you to believe, if they hadnt they wouldnt be able to carry out such actions as this.

realismpol

an abominable snowman of a conspiracy theory? Wow great comeback there seriously thats good. And the pic too....just genius.

Of course you were watching the prime time episode last week which clearly showed up the links between drug dealers and members of the gardai hierarchy last week weren't you? You did see how an ordinary member of the public reported a man who was importing drugs into the state and selling them. When reported the special garda unit passed the information back to the drug smuggler who then sent people around to threaten the people at their homes.

When his case came up in the courts recently orders from the 'top' were sent to let the drug smuggler one of the largest in ireland off. The case was dismissed and this particular person got off scott free because he threatened to spill the beans on who was involved, but nah your right nothing corrupt ever happens. Anglo irish bank...just a conspiracy theory folks nothing to see here go back to sleep. The real ira exists......they just decided to attack now the first time in 12 years because of the weather. No coincidence that the politicans are in major trouble, that we are facing the worst ecomomic crisis in the history of mankind due to their banking buddies, the anti elitist anti european sinn fein is on the rise, that links between criminal organisations and police are starting to show up, that gordon brown is under investigation for links to corrupt banking carels in the u.k. Totally unlinked. Try to see the bigger picture the old boundaries you think of the u.k and ireland don't exist at the top. Its all one big party of corruption where you look for me and i look out for you.

you honestly think that this was done to somehow make right the political decisions being made in handling the recession in not only the UK but also the Republic?

You think that the UK would carry out the killing of two of its own to benefit politicians not only there but here too?

That you've made this post your first says a lot.

yes it says i don't trust them one inch. Do i think the uk would carry out the killing of its own troops to serve their own agenda. Boy are you naieve. Your still living in the little bubble aren't you where you think the folks at the top are looking after you and have your best intentions in mind...No thats ok theres nothing wrong with that at all and your entitled to that opinion.

Duffers

TomRooney wrote: »

i dont advocate voilence.
i do however believe the 6 countys belong to the irish nation and are part of the original 9 county ulster.

also i believe there should be no british troops on any part of irish soil.

Yes, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
But what does it have to do with the actions of these scumbags(or 'volunteers' as you laughably called them)?
In relating these killings to anything political you attempt to give them justification.

TomRooney

Mairt wrote: »

I'm getting sick of your attitude, stop winding them up.

And in particular a member whose been banned and can't reply.

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firstly mairt, i replied before i knew they have been banned, secondly considering the abuse they threw at me, i think my reply was very restrained.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Irish_Army01 wrote: »

I'm glad you clarified that Mairt..But as Duffers has said Some of your comments are grey.. In my opinion borderline Sympathiser ..I hope I'm wrong.

Your very wrong, I'm totally opposed to violence.

But I do also recognise there's a terrible history on our island, and like I said 'scratch the surface and you'll find a festering, unhealed wound'.

Its like Pearce said .. "The defenders of this realm have worked well in secret and in the open. They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us, and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything. They think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace."

We have been lulled into a false sense of security, a belief that the bad man had disappeared into the shadows & gone forever - he hasn't, and I've said this already too (I don't know how you can think I sympathise with these fvck wits) 'He's our enemy too'.

Lads without going into operational talk, EVERY serving soldier here on this forum should be very well aware that we're being watched. If you think dissident replublican's only have the British establishment in its sights your VERY, VERY wrong.

arybvtcw0eolkf

TomRooney wrote: »

firstly mairt, i replied before i knew they have been banned, secondly considering the abuse they threw at me, i think my reply was very restrained.

Ok Tom, I take that back.

TomRooney

Duffers wrote: »

Yes, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
But what does it have to do with the actions of these scumbags(or 'volunteers' as you laughably called them)?
In relating these killings to anything political you attempt to give them justification.

the actions of these volunteers (i call them such because thst is what they are)
are a consequence of the ongoing british presence in the north east of the country, dont forget these are men from the area, who consider themselves to be irish, yet every day see the continuing presence of a foriegn power in there land.

there is no real political representation for them, so through desperation they see armed struggle as there only way forward.

it is strange how you can and others in the 26 countys can be so judgemental of these people when you dont know much about the situation as is obvious with the rants about "scum bag this" "terrorist that"

the british are the masters of deception and you buy in to every bit the media feeds you.

i look at the situation as an independant non alligned, and get nothing but childish rants and scorn. this is the reaction of uneducated minds.

the fact is the leaders of 1916 had rotten vegatables thrown at them when they entered the GPO, the hunger strikers where largly ignored, and any military action by Republicans these days will be simply termed "terrorism"

you have to look beneath the surface, what is the agenda of the people making such claims and using all the media at there disposal to enforce there ideas.

as i said i dont advocate voilence, but i understand why it exists.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ok incase any of you guys missed it.

THERE HAVE BEEN TWO BANNINGS IN THIS THREAD.

By the nature of this forum I expect a little more discipline and restraint than we might find in (for example) AH.

Most of us here are serving, or ex members of the Defence Forces. In my eyes PDF & RDF are equal here, and I expect us to hold higher standards in our behaviour here than most other forums.

The two lads banned were very good members here, I liked them and appricated what they brought to the forum. Hopefully they won't take offence and will be back in two weeks, but they left me with no choice.

Right, having said that. I expect you guys to step up to the mark and not let yourselves down, or my trust in you.

Even the slightest hint of trouble (particularly in this most sensitive thread) and I'll stick the boot in straight away..

Now, carry on!.