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Daysha

Regarding the other "criticisms" of DCU FM in general, I'd take it with a pinch of salt. You can't expect a college radio station to be the next Beat 102-103 or FM104. But things on the radio do take a lot of preparation (I involved with it myself so I know the drill) and given the limitations a college radio station comes under, it's been doing very well all things considered.

Scattery

loumac wrote: »

How do you know I am not coming up to the pension anyway? This is University, not primary school.

I know that because I know most of the people involved in the news side of the radio station to see in face, and last time I looked, none were finding it hard to walk up the Hub steps. Correct me if I'm wrong.

loumac wrote: »

On Gaza, we were asked to conduct that interview (2 visiting academics to DCU) by a DCU lecturer if you must know so i'm sorry to disappoint on the "we nicked if from the Times" suggestion. We then got someone on the Israeli side of the argument to balance things out.

There you go - you say that the interview was a good thing to broadcast because a DCU lecturer asked you to do it. The same DCU lecturer who organised it, I presume. Of course he would have gone out of his way to get an interview. I don't think that as a news team you should do something JUST because someone asked you to do something. That isn't news, it's PR. And in terms of the "nicked from the Times" suggestion - obviously you didn't read what I said - I meant that the whole of the shows seem to not go beyond what the Irish Times would class as news. And that maybe some pieces should be lighter, things you might find in the Sun or the Mirror.

loumac wrote: »

You seem to have definite ideas about what kind of news that DCU wants. I would urge you and all of the other negative commentators to make some positive suggestions instead of uploading poisonous and acerbic comments. If DCU students are so interested in campus news/matters, I ask the question again? Why was the Hustings turnout so abysmal this year?

Eh, the Hustings turnout was quite good. I was there, and was there last year. Last year there were only 25 people, or so. I think on a Wednesday afternoon, the worst possible scheduling time, to have about 500 people come for part of it - I know I had to sneak off during parts of it because of other society committments - was quite good. Sorry if you don't.

loumac wrote: »

In case you hadn't noticed from other posts, this is a student station, we have no budget of note and the (student) team is dedicated to bringing news and topics of interest to the airwaves. Just because we don't bang on about the bar and campus res all the time does not mean we are not concerned with student issues. The SU presidential candidates will be debating on Monday; I doubt the Irish Times ran an article on same last week. (No offence to the candidates but I'm just trying to make a point here) Best of luck to Conor, Alan and Cillian by the way.

I know you don't have a budget - although no-one has explained where the 500 euro prize is coming from for the Afternoon Crew - and of course the Times didn't run an article on the candidates, there's no point being so sarcastic about it. But in terms of topics of interest: have you ever carried out a survey to ask what people want to hear about? If not, I put it to you, that your topics of interest are the topics of interest to a select group of Humanities students, not at all representative of the college as a whole.

loumac wrote: »

If we thought no one would listen to it, we wouldn't have aired it... For the record, our listenership tripled that hour, so for each of you there are two more that would disagree with you.

Exactly how many though. To say it tripled, without giving a base figure is meaningless. Absolutely meaningless! It's the type of thing a Government Press Officer would say ("The Government's poll ratings have increased by 30 per-cent" - without saying the polls, or from what they rose by 30 per-cent from). Tell me, if it tripled, what was the actual listenership: was it in the hundreds? Thousands? Or more than likely low tens? If it's more than I thought, I will apologise.

loumac wrote: »

For anyone out there that is genuinely interested and has some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, please bring it on.

I am sorry - to say I didn't provide any ideas is wrong - I have. Why is there no culture elements of the Current Affairs show? If the College View had no Arts section, I'd be asking the same thing. The most, from the times I have listened (and from the times I've been told about it) culture-related thing has been a vox pop on Eurovision. What's so wrong with breaking up the show with the occasional song, even something nice and avant-garde? Radio 1 is willing to play music, I'm sure you could too.

loumac wrote: »

Tune in Monday 3.05pm for the SU presidential election debate. www.dcufm.com

I will. I hope it is good, because I am interested. I just wish you wouldn't change the debate time three times in just over a week.

riemann

*shadow* wrote: »

People like you just annoy me so much. The news bulletins alone take an hour to put together, and as for those involved in the current affairs show and the news show, they dedicate an unreal amount of time to producing those show. As I've said before I reallly wish people would just stop slagging the radio off. If you don't like it fine, but don't criticise something you know nothing about. Everyone is more than welcome to come along and have a go, maybe then you will show some appreciation to those who dedicate all their spare time to it. I really don't know what is wrong with people. This is YOUR college Radio station, so as instead of B******* about it, get behind it and help make it better..constructive criticism I think they call it. Are you ready yet to spare some of your precious 'socialising' time?

*shadow* the people you refer to as preparing the news are obviously you and/or your friends, your defense of them is hopelessly irrelevant

The key point of your argument is and i quote "don't criticise". Basically this topic was set up so that Chris could get a few pats on the back and he didn't expect that people would be so blunt and open in their critisms.

You want people to get involved? Unfortunately I'm not studying communications and am not mates with Chris...

Do you know there is a database from which all the songs played have to be chosen from?

Also, I am doing a course which actually has some job prospects provided I work hard, so in my spare time i'll be relaxing listen to some good tunes in the company of some people with a taste in music that doesn't necessarily mirror that of the charts, neither of which is likely to be found in the DCUFM studio.

As for not slagging the show off, well if I dont like something, I am going to slag it off and where better than an anonymous forum which will be ignored. If you dont like and/or are offended then so be it.

Also I went too The Boat That Rocked the other day and it was awful kinda like...

legendal

riemann wrote: »

*shadow* the people you refer to as preparing the news are obviously you and/or your friends, your defense of them is hopelessly irrelevant

Hang on, did you just complain that somebody made a "hopelessly irrelevant" point? :rolleyes:

riemann wrote: »

Do you know there is a database from which all the songs played have to be chosen from?

A database which can be added to, I suspect. Bum point there.

riemann wrote: »

Also, I am doing a course which actually has some job prospects

Casual snobbery: check.
Evidence to support view that there's no jobs in radio: missing.

riemann wrote: »

As for not slagging the show off, well if I dont like something, I am going to slag it off and where better than an anonymous forum which will be ignored. If you dont like and/or are offended then so be it.

People have responded to this, including at least two people involved in the station, and all they're looking for is some constructive criticism and feedback from listeners. It's clearly not being ignored, and slagging it off for the sake of it is petty.

riemann wrote: »

Also I went too The Boat That Rocked the other day and it was awful kinda like...

Disagree there too

Look, if I'd my way I'd have them playing Springsteen and Coldplay, with a good mix of stuff from the 80s too all day long. But that's not what everybody wants, so I accept that they play some stuff I don't like. There's often songs that I do like though, so they get my kudos for that.

riemann

legendal wrote: »

Look, if I'd my way I'd have them playing Coldplay

I'm going to assume that this was some kind of attempt to interject some humor into the debate.

Either way you've given me some perspective on the matter. It could be a whole lot worse if some one like yourself was spinning the discs.

And reagarding the database, it is true and is completely unnecessary. If someone is trusted to present a show, they should be allowed to bring in a CD or whatever and play it.

I'm still smiling re above comment, it said more than all your previous ever could.

legendal

riemann wrote: »

I'm going to assume that this was some kind of attempt to interject some humor into the debate.

Casual snobbery: double check.

People are entitled to their own tastes and are allowed to disagree with you. I'm sure I'd hate whatever it is you listen to, doesn't mean you're not entitled to listen to it and like it. Although to be honest, I've no idea why I'm being that gracious with you.

riemann wrote: »

And reagarding the database, it is true and is completely unnecessary. If someone is trusted to present a show, they should be allowed to bring in a CD or whatever and play it.

Way to completely ignore my point :rolleyes: if it can be added to, it means that whoever wants to can come along and add their own songs to it. Do you have a look at someone's iPod and complain that the music comes from a database? At this stage, it wouldn't surprise me if you did...

riemann wrote: »

I'm still smiling re above comment, it said more than all your previous ever could.

Casual snobbery: triple check. Seriously, give it over.

riemann

legendal wrote: »

Casual snobbery: double check.

Casual snobbery: triple check. Seriously, give it over.

I might take your comments regarding my alleged snobbery a bit more seriously, if your username wasnt legend al.

Also I forgot to mention:
To name The Boss and Coldplay in the same sentence is surely breaking some law.

legendal

riemann wrote: »

I might take your comments regarding my alleged snobbery a bit more seriously, if your username wasnt legend al.

That's not snobbery.

riemann wrote: »

Also I forgot to mention:
To name The Boss and Coldplay in the same sentence is surely breaking some law.

Seeing as how you're making up stuff left, right and centre, why not go ahead and make up a law for me to break while you're at it.

You've also ignored many of the points I've made over the last page or two that show up the nonsense you've been posting. Care to defend any of them? Or could it be that you accept that that's not possible?

riemann

legendal wrote: »

That's not snobbery.


Seeing as how you're making up stuff left, right and centre, why not go ahead and make up a law for me to break while you're at it.

You've also ignored many of the points I've made over the last page or two that show up the nonsense you've been posting. Care to defend any of them? Or could it be that you accept that that's not possible?

Okay so.

Your point about the iPod is absolutely ridiculous. While it may be taken from a database namely an iTunes library. The library is kept by the owner of said iPod and they are free to add to it and delete as they see fit.

The rest of them aren't worth replying to.

Now I am retiring to my drawing for some cigars and brandy to watch MOTD2 and will not be replying to any more of your so called points.

legendal

riemann wrote: »

...they are free to add to it and delete as they see fit..

Just like a database at a radio station. So the point's completely valid.

riemann wrote: »

The rest of them aren't worth replying to.

Now I am retiring to my drawing for some cigars and brandy to watch MOTD2 and will not be replying to any more of your so called points.

In other words, you can't think of a rebuttal, and the 'fun' you had in arguing for the sake of arguing has been exhausted. No surprises there.

g5fd6ow0hseima

riemann wrote: »

You want people to get involved? Unfortunately I'm not studying communications and am not mates with Chris...

g5fd6ow0hseima

All your failure to acknowledge riemanns comments on the pathetic music you are playing on the show, day in, day out, surely must have raised a few eyebrows.

So, when is DCUFM going to go beyond this webiste:

http://acharts.us/ireland_singles_top_50

(actually, you might find a new tune or two from the list)

riemann

legendal wrote: »

Just like a database at a radio station. So the point's completely valid.

Look dude you obviously haven't a clue how its run so best not to make a fool of yourself.

You can't just add a song to the DCUFM database. Can I be any clearer?

monument

lookofthedraw wrote: »

As the Production Manager of the College View I am assuming that you are not stupid enough to make an accusation such as this without firm and concrete evidence.

..... [etc]

Hello... could I please make it clear that there is no official College View account on boards.ie. As far as I'm aware all posters who have talked about the newspaper or answers questions etc have also posted on other topics.

Any member of the College View posting is posting on their personal account, thus their views are their personal views.

lookofthedraw

monument wrote: »

Hello... could I please make it clear that there is no official College View account on boards.ie. As far as I'm aware all posters who have talked about the newspaper or answers questions etc have also posted on other topics.

Any member of the College View posting is posting on their personal account, thus their views are their personal views.

Hi Monument whilst in the college world this would be rosey in the real world this doesn't work.....the individual in question has indicated his role in the college view. You cannot seperate these once you identify yourself as such.

But thank you for the carification - now we know that this may be a personal grudge then any form of journalism - so then is this the journalistic standard that we can expect of all the senior management of the college view.....grudges other than real intripid journalism?

Slurmsy

lookofthedraw wrote: »

Bah Bah Bah

lol

Don't annoy me. Personal account, no offical associate with the CV. Just posting what I heard. Nice troll attempt though

Also, I don't have any personal issue with DCUFM. I actually know plenty of people who are involved with it, and know just how hard they work.

riemann

lookofthedraw wrote: »

Hi Monument whilst in the college world this would be rosey in the real world this doesn't work.....

Just as well were in college so.

monument

lookofthedraw wrote: »

Hi Monument whilst in the college world this would be rosey in the real world this doesn't work.....the individual in question has indicated his role in the college view. You cannot seperate these once you identify yourself as such.

This blog post by a wiser man than myself explains why you're wrong:

http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/disreputable-actions/

I would add: When talking about two different message board posts, it's like talking about two different conversations... so, one where he identifies him self, and then, on a different day and in a different post, another which you have a problem with.

dead-bob

This all seems very well reasoned and articulate.

It also seems to be an appropriate response to a statement on an obscure corner on the internet. I hope momument ramps up the cogency even more in his next few responses.

I personally think game soc is involved in this somehow. They always seem to be up to something, especially now since their coupe.

I think the lack of meat is after going to everyone's head. I hope slurmser apoligises like a mother bitch, it is exactly what should happen.

Any problems with this post? Contact my highly skillled legal hit team.

lookofthedraw

monument wrote: »

This blog post by a wiser man than myself explains why you're wrong:

http://universitydiary.wordpress.com/2009/04/07/disreputable-actions/

I would add: When talking about two different message board posts, it's like talking about two different conversations... so, one where he identifies himself, and then, on a different day and in a different post, another which you have a problem with.

I am sorry - have you actually properly read this piece - do they teach you critical discourse analysis in the BA in Journalism these days?

The Professor does say that staff should be entitled to freedom of speech but ONLY, and I directly quote "Only where the statements are factually inaccurate or potentially libellous have I (rarely) taken a different view.....It must be permissible for a university to protect its reputation, and in that sense it must be able to take appropriate action where it has been brought into disrepute by one of its employees."

If the statement is untrue the Production Manager of the College View should resign. If it true then he should be applauded for highlighting a gross abuse of trust that either the SPC placed in the station manager in funding the purchasing of these tickets, or what ever promoter or sponsor provided them.

The Professor in his blog post does not rule out disciplinary action against a employee that make an untrue or unlawful statement that brings the university into disrepute.....he in fact says that he may take a different view and believes that and I repeat to make sure you can get it into your head "It must be permissible for a university to protect its reputation, and in that sense it must be able to take appropriate action where it has been brought into disrepute by one of its employees."

If the station manager reads your colleagues post and your colleagues post is unfounded then he would be well in his rights to take legal action. And if the Editor of the College View does not see this as a disciplinary matter then I would have severe reservations about the integrity of the College View....not to take action would put serious doubt in the minds of your readership to the journalistic gutters the College View would stoop to just to get a story. If you think that a firm cannot fire you for bringing them into disrepute you have no grasp on reality. And if you think a paper or media outlet will hire you, you are in the wrong business.
In fact the arrogance of the production manager’s reply to me, and the childish in changing my post to ‘blah, blah, blah’ is astounding! You do realise that a discussion forum is a recognised publication these days, even by the established media, and this discussion forum is regularly quotes by both the Irish Independent and the Irish Times?

Furthermore you would also have to think about when you want to go out into the real world and actually get a real job - if this is untrue and you are indeed challenged legally on this, and in a court that is not in camera you will have a stain on your career that will be hard to remove.

I say this as a friendly warning, not to get at the College View which I enjoy reading immensly and think is a quality publication.

dead-bob

Banter reaching critical mass here!

It's interesting that the number of people reading the DCU board is exactly double the nubmer of people who take the internet seriously.

I tell you what though, for a speaker hung out of a window, the Radio is getting serious prizes. I have no view on what they do with said prizes though as I am afraid they will rescind my pulitzer.

dead-bob

lookofthedraw wrote: »

Bruce Willis is dead at the end of sixth sense.

What happened to spoiler quotes man?

dead-bob

riemann wrote: »

Samuel L Jackson is a evil villain to bruce willis' unbreakble man

WTF DUDE!

Some people want to enjoy shamalan!

Slurmsy

riemann wrote: »

AHhhhhhhhhhhh Dude.:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

No no no, I was in the wrong and unfair to Chris. I made the original post in a moment of passion, totally forgetting the interweb is serious business.

lol dead-bob, I think I love you.

dead-bob

Slurmsy wrote: »

The Village is set in the present and the people in the village are mad bastards

This is not on. I want to enjoy movies too.

riemann

dead-bob wrote: »

Please disregard all my comments as I am not well

Really?

dead-bob

Diarmsquid wrote: »

Slurmsy has brought Chris' name into disrepute, whereas the professor Ferdie was talking about was "expressing anti-establishment views".

PS The Happening Is plants killing people

Surely if he is in charge of the radio he is the establishment?

Also this is getting seriously crappy with the spoilers

riemann

dead-bob wrote: »

This is not on. I want to enjoy movies too.

And by movies you mean just M. Night Shyamalan movies?

dead-bob

riemann wrote: »

Really? also the character in memento has long killed his wife's rapist and is now just a roaming mad ****

I also enjoy original ideas.

And seriously, this thread should be B& for the movie ruining.

monument

Just to make it clear: I am not defending what anybody has said, I'm mealy pointing out people have a life outside the work they do.

Diarmsquid wrote: »

You can't really compare what Ferdie is talking about there to this situation.

Yes, you can.

The related issues as I see them are (a) a right to a private life, and (b) a right to private views.

lookofthedraw wrote: »

I am sorry - have you actually properly read this piece - do they teach you critical discourse analysis in the BA in Journalism these days? ...

The Professor does say that staff should be entitled to freedom of speech but ONLY, and I directly quote "Only where the statements are factually inaccurate or potentially libellous have I (rarely) taken a different view.....It must be permissible for a university to protect its reputation, and in that sense it must be able to take appropriate action where it has been brought into disrepute by one of its employees."

He only says he has taken action in such cases, that's all.

He does not say he has/will in all such cases etc, you're drawing a clear line when I disagree there is one.

lookofthedraw wrote: »

even by the established media, and this discussion forum is regularly quotes by both the Irish Independent and the Irish Times?

Do I know that the media quote the internet? Is that a rhetorical question?