work wants wage back....

glezo

hi all,

can somone tell me where is my rights here..

i left a job 3wks ago as the contract was up, but thankfully i walked straight into a new job the following monday..

but my last employer had a standing order set up to pay my wage into my account..

the first week in my new job i noticed that they had put in a wage that week and not thinking anything of it i taught it must be a week owed to me (like a wk in lieu)

he rang me the other day to say about it as he only got his bank statement and found it out..

i called into him today and he asked me to payback the money not in a bulk but a bit every wk..
i said at the moment i will pay back 10 euro a wk, and he said WHAT 10e it would take @$%& weeks to pay off, you can do better than that..

i said leave it with me..

but all along im thinking its not my fault its the banks for paying the money when they were told not to only a week before
also it cud be ex boss for givin them a wks notice

can anybody shed any light on this suitation and give me info so i can go back and tell him stick his 10e a wk up his [EMAIL="a@se"]a@se[/EMAIL]

aoibhebree

I'd imagine you'll legally be obliged to pay them back. If you didn't earn the money, how would you expect to be able to keep it?

ScouseMouse

If you mistakenly paid someone to much money, wouldn't you like them to pay it back ?

glezo

been honest it was'nt my fault the bank/ ex boss messed up
so why should i have to pay back

plus it made me more angry when ex boss made out that 10e was an insult to offer to pay back at least i made a efford

vms7ply9t6dw4b

If you dont give it all back to him theres a good chance that at some stage in the future your penis is going to fall off...

Karma Baby!




In all seriousnes though, give it back you wouldnt like it if the shoe was on the other foot so to speak.
And unless the amount you owe him is 40, offering to pay back 10 a week is an insult.

aoibhebree

glezo wrote: »

been honest it was'nt my fault the bank/ ex boss messed up
so why should i have to pay back

Yes, but if the bank/ex-boss had messed up and accidentally not paid you your last weeks wages, you wouldn't be so willing to let it go would you?

glezo wrote: »

plus it made me more angry when ex boss made out that 10e was an insult to offer to pay back at least i made a efford

Maybe he hadn't expected you to have spent the money ... seeing as you weren't entitled to it. In fact, he sounds pretty reasonable to be allowing you to pay it back in installments at all!

JennyAnt

This happened to me before, the bank actually paid my ex employer back the money, and I paid the bank back - wait for it - €10 a week by standing order! I felt I had to pay the bank back, didn't want it to affect my credit status! Took me 13 months to pay them back, but they were happy enough that at least I was making an attempt at repayment!

Nody

glezo wrote: »

can anybody shed any light on this suitation and give me info so i can go back and tell him stick his 10e a wk up his [EMAIL="a@se"]a@se[/EMAIL]

I'd tell you to be an adult and wise up but seeing how you post I'd say that is a waste of time. Instead I'll simply say that yes, your "offer" was an insult and for you to hope you'll never going to run into anyone your ex boss talks to about you. Considering the size of Ireland that is more likely then you may think.

glezo

Nody wrote: »

I'd tell you to be an adult and wise up but seeing how you post I'd say that is a waste of time. Instead I'll simply say that yes, your "offer" was an insult and for you to hope you'll never going to run into anyone your ex boss talks to about you. Considering the size of Ireland that is more likely then you may think.

you dont know my suitation to say to me that my offer was an insult, im a lone parent with 2 young kids and its difficult mony wise..

at leased i offered to pay the money back even doh it was only 10 euro, to the likes of me 10 euro is a lot of money

glezo

Emma Teeny Yo-yo wrote: »

If you dont give it all back to him theres a good chance that at some stage in the future your penis is going to fall off...

Karma Baby!




In all seriousnes though, give it back you wouldnt like it if the shoe was on the other foot so to speak.
And unless the amount you owe him is 40, offering to pay back 10 a week is an insult.

by the way im a woman not a man, so you can keep your stupid comment with the penis joke

and for starters i never mentioned how much it was, so no need to make up your own amount of 40 euro, and add a comment of been an insult to offer it to him

If I was him I would ring your new job and explain to your new boss what you're like.

Understand how you thought it could have been money you were owed, but then what did you spend it on? You weren't expecting it so did you just go out and buy clothes for yourself or toys for the kids?

May I ask roughly how much money there was?

Locamon

Know this will upset a few of the previous posters but if you had already spent the money before your boss notified you there was a mistake -then it was an honest mistake on your part and neither the bank nor your ex boss could argue you had done anything overly wrong and offering to pay it back in installments seems fair enough.
But if the money was 'resting in your account' as Father Ted used to say you should pay it back immediately.
This is my moral view of it not sure on the legality of any of it.

Musha

How can you have spent the money that did not belong to you? You were not expecting it or budgeted for it. So why don't you have it to give back?

martinr5232

What would you do if your ex employer offerd to pay you your last weeks wages at €10 a week for whatever duration.

glezo

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

If I was him I would ring your new job and explain to your new boss what you're like.

Understand how you thought it could have been money you were owed, but then what did you spend it on? You weren't expecting it so did you just go out and buy clothes for yourself or toys for the kids?

May I ask roughly how much money there was?

i have told my new boss about it, and they have said it was crazy that he wouldn at least accept the amount i offered
they totally agree with by saying it was their own fault..

i explained i taught it was money that was owed to me via wk in lieu !!!

and no i dont spend money on my self by the way so i didnt blow it on clothes like... and how dare you bring my kids into this topic by saying that i went spending it on them with toys,
i spent the money on a esb bill, car tax and new excaust for the car

and no i wont say how much it was,

Deank

Not sure of the legal rights here OP, but morally and ehtically you owe the money you've been over paid, in the current economic climate you are one of few lucky ones who left a job without been made redundant and had another job to go to. Okay your former employer and or their bank messed up a standing order and you got money that was not due to you, your former boss is been fair by asking you to pay back in installments instead of a lump sum which I'm sure if it went legal he / she would be entitled to. I can understand that you have 2 children to look after, but if you hadn't budgeted the money you shouldn't have spent it, it was not yours to do so.

dh0661

OP -
If I were your old employer I would most definitely make contact with your new employer, there is probably not a lot your new employer can do straight away, but I presume that you might be on a probation period ?

New employer is not going to be impressed with the way you treated old employer = OP being told at the end of her probation period "not suitable" for position.

Also consider that for your next employment you might be asked for references from your past two employers.

I wonder how those would read ? - OP I'll leave that to you own imagination.

glezo

dh0661 wrote: »

OP -
If I were your old employer I would most definitely make contact with your new employer, there is probably not a lot your new employer can do straight away, but I presume that you might be on a probation period ?

New employer is not going to be impressed with the way you treated old employer = OP being told at the end of her probation period "not suitable" for position.

Also consider that for your next employment you might be asked for references from your past two employers.

I wonder how those would read ? - OP I'll leave that to you own imagination.

can you tell me please cause i dont understand but
how excatly did i treat my ex employer?????????????????????????????/

baldbear

It's not your money. You didn't earn it so you should just pay it back. It's not worth the hassle.

nesf

glezo wrote: »

can anybody shed any light on this suitation and give me info so i can go back and tell him stick his 10e a wk up his [EMAIL="a@se"]a@se[/EMAIL]

It's been covered multiple times on here. You owe him the money and he's entitled to get it back. You're usually entitled to pay it back in instalments but you have to pay it back. So get over it and deal with it.

dh0661

glezo wrote: »

can you tell me please cause i dont understand but
how excatly did i treat my ex employer?????????????????????????????/

TBH I think that your getting a bit too smart for your boots with that reply.

Stop playing the victim and pay back the money your old boss accidentally over paid you.

eth0_

Grow up and pay the money back and stop acting like such a victim. If you don't repay it you are a THIEF and word will get around - Ireland is a small place.

thepensioner

Hi Glezo,

You have my sympathy, but unfortunately I have to agree with the majority. Simply put, its not your money & I believe you should pay it back. Mistakes happen, yes your previous employer made a mistake by overpaying you but if the shoe was on the other foot & you were underpaid then would you not look for the money back? Mistakes happen, fixing them is whats important. Circumstances can be difficult & you've spent the money. Talk to your previous employer & explain your circumstances. Meet them half way, & pay over a reasonable amount of time.

As others have mentioned Ireland is small & everyone talks. Simply put, don't let you future employment by jeopardised by a single weeks wages.

Good luck with your decision

thepensioner

doolox

My father once received payment for a similarly named steel contractor in the order of several thousand at a time when men were men and money was money.
He immediately made arrangements with the bank to sort it out and was told that if he had spent it he would have been immediately had his account closed because a banks customers have a duty of care to ensure accuracy of all payments they receive and cannot spend what is not theirs.
A similar law exists for money found by people, it is not theirs to keep but must be reported and deposited with An Garda Siochana, if after a year and a day it is not claimed it becomes the property of the finder.
Just to keep it and say nothing is a crime.
Similar mechanisms exist for underpayment of tax, I know people who for one reason or another were short in their tax payments and then had to endure weeks without pay in order to pay back the tax owing.
Revenue will however take instalments from PAYE taxpayers if arrangements are made and hardship would ensue otherwise but are much stricter with self-employed who are presumed to be more expert on tax affairs and of which a higher level of compliance is expected.
Offer bigger installments and try to pay off in 2 months or so would be my play on this, most businesses operate on 30 day credit terms from receipt of invoice but would stretch to 60 if pushed.
As to the danger of trouble with your new boss this is doubtful unless old boss takes you to the small claims court or something on public record which cannot be ignored.
If you are good at your job such difficulty will be forgotten about fairly quickly, unless of course your work involves money or book keeping where you would be expected to be on top of all money matters, both private and company ones.

the_syco

glezo wrote: »

you dont know my suitation to say to me that my offer was an insult, im a lone parent with 2 young kids and its difficult mony wise..

at leased i offered to pay the money back even doh it was only 10 euro, to the likes of me 10 euro is a lot of money

Maybe so, but try maybe €100 back a week. If worse comes to worse, and you really piss the ex-boss off, he may just ask for all of the money back straight away. And yes, he's legally entitled to get it back.

Y2J_MUFC

eth0_ wrote: »

If you don't repay it you are a THIEF and word will get around - Ireland is a small place.

Extending this logic, Obama will find out because of the six degrees of separation, then you'll really be screwed. :rolleyes:

The more the OP posts the more it's what I expect from girl's with kids. The world doesn't owe you because you've had kids. Get that through you're head before you post again.

eth0_

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

The more the OP posts the more it's what I expect from girl's with kids. The world doesn't owe you because you've had kids. Get that through you're head before you post again.

Banned for a week for this offensive comment.

Xiney

You do owe your ex boss the money.

However, if you believed that the payment was a week in lieu and spent it, and paying it back at 10 euro a week is all you can afford, then your boss will have to live with that.

Raiser

Why should your ex Boss have to pay your car tax, new exhaust and ESB bill?

- Does he go for spins in your Motor and leave light on all over your home?

That said; I can see how this type of thing can be a pain and it did happen through no fault of the OP, maybe a fair compromise in these situations would be that the person who receives in error is only obliged to pay back some portion, say 75% of the total in compensation for the inconvenience etc.

Xiney

You may also want to visit MABs

If you are living paycheck to paycheck with no buffer and two children, you could probably use some budgeting advice.

dan1895

Not an expert on this by any means but this happened to someone i know not too long ago. they did a bit of research (i dont know where) and found that 1. you are legally obliged to pay the money back and 2. you can pay it in installments of €1 a week if you like.
so if ten euro a week is all your willing to pay back then thats fine and your old employer will just have to learn not to screw up again.

glezo

dh0661 wrote: »

OP -
If I were your old employer I would most definitely make contact with your new employer, there is probably not a lot your new employer can do straight away, but I presume that you might be on a probation period ?

New employer is not going to be impressed with the way you treated old employer = OP being told at the end of her probation period "not suitable" for position.

Also consider that for your next employment you might be asked for references from your past two employers.

I wonder how those would read ? - OP I'll leave that to you own imagination.

to smart for my boots hey,

you were the one who said i must consider this suitation for my cv in the future.. and also whats this about been on probation period ?????

explain please

you haven a clue wat was said between me and my ex boss to say anything that you have
things was all on gud terms and i said i be back to him with wat i can afford to pay

so please as i said explain what you mean by all

glezo

thanks xiney and dan....

yes im living from one paycheck to the next and it is tough but im getting by,

and dan thanks for that bit of info..
reason i went on this in first place was to ask why he refused to except my offer of 10euro a week, at least i offered to pay it off rather than someone elses way of going further with it...

but no ive been torn apart here on this thread for just asking advice.

cheers again dan and xiney

michael_23

Its fairly clear that this is an erroneous transaction. If i was in your position i would pay back the cash immediately. Karma etc. That tenner a week lark is taking the p*ss...... If you wernt expecting it, then you cant have factored it into any budgeting decisions

leeroybrown

michael_23 wrote: »

Its fairly clear that this is an erroneous transaction. If i was in your position i would pay back the cash immediately. Karma etc. That tenner a week lark is taking the p*ss...... If you wernt expecting it, then you cant have factored it into any budgeting decisions

In fairness, if you're tight on cash the amount of money that you have in your bank account has a major bearing on what you spend. The normal practice here is to agree a repayment over time but I'd definitely agree that €10 per week does seem far too low. Even at minimum wage that repayment would take well over six months which is excessive.

MagicMarker

Errr, the money's not yours so you have to pay it back.

Personally, if I'm leaving a job then I make damn sure I know what's owed to me.

meathstevie

Someone said not paying back would make the OP a "THIEF"..which is nonsense as the OP did not take the money or arranged for the money to end up in her account. Since either her former employer or his bank screwed up the only problem for the OP is that she could be xx euro in debt to her former employer if the mistake was his and untill further notice that's still a civil matter. If the bank put the money from the ex-employer's account in her account AFTER being notified by the ex-employer not to pay out that particular standing order anymore than it's the bank's problem.

glezo

meathstevie wrote: »

Someone said not paying back would make the OP a "THIEF"..which is nonsense as the OP did not take the money or arranged for the money to end up in her account. Since either her former employer or his bank screwed up the only problem for the OP is that she could be xx euro in debt to her former employer if the mistake was his and untill further notice that's still a civil matter. If the bank put the money from the ex-employer's account in her account AFTER being notified by the ex-employer not to pay out that particular standing order anymore than it's the bank's problem.

well thats wat i taught also, it was either one of them that screwed up but reading through all these threads here i was thinking maybe i was wrong that somewhere along the line, maybe the bank/ex boss is allowed to f>ck up with payment and for the person to be accountable for the mistake..

to the other post that was posted, my money goes into a seperated acc to pay of certain bills and i dont look into that acc, only bout once a mth

Shelflife

glezo times are hard for everyone and maybe your employer is strapped for cash as well.

its a genuine mistake, prob because the banks take an age to sort out standing orders. if your on €400 a week then that would take 10 mths to pay off thats prob stretching it a bit and i feel that its a bit unfair on your old employer, if he forgot to pay you your last wage and he offered a €10 a week to i dont think it would sit well with you.

talk to your old emp and work something a bit fairer out with them.

if you are living week to week explain this to them , im sure that they understand. but a chat mabs would be a good idea as well.

good luck op

sunnyside out

Shelflife wrote: »

glezo times are hard for everyone and maybe your employer is strapped for cash as well.

its a genuine mistake, prob because the banks take an age to sort out standing orders. if your on €400 a week then that would take 10 mths to pay off thats prob stretching it a bit and i feel that its a bit unfair on your old employer, if he forgot to pay you your last wage and he offered a €10 a week to i dont think it would sit well with you.

talk to your old emp and work something a bit fairer out with them.

if you are living week to week explain this to them , im sure that they understand. but a chat mabs would be a good idea as well.

good luck op

thanks shelflife,

but even if it takes 10mths or wat ever, its the point that at least im going to pay him off
dont worry, sorted out something 2nite so at least he will get half the money on money

MagicMarker

sunnyside out wrote: »

thanks shelflife,

but even if it takes 10mths or wat ever, its the point that at least im going to pay him off
dont worry, sorted out something 2nite so at least he will get half the money on money

Hi Glezo.

You should probably remember to log out of your alt account when you reply to this thread.

BroomBurner

Jesus, reading through some of these replies, I'm kind of ashamed of some of ye. The OP posted looking for advice on where she stood with regards paying a certain amount of money back to her ex boss for a mistake he made.

OP, I think a couple of people have already mentioned the possible legality of it, so if I was in your position, I would talk again with your ex boss and maybe see if you could have a base amount of €10 per week but that you will pay more of it back when you have it in smaller lump sums.

whoopdefukindo

glezo wrote: »

been honest it was'nt my fault the bank/ ex boss messed up
so why should i have to pay back

plus it made me more angry when ex boss made out that 10e was an insult to offer to pay back at least i made a efford

Being honest, why are you even asking what to do? It is not your money. It was given to you by mistake.

Give it back to the person to whom it belongs.

BroomBurner

whoopdefukindo wrote: »

Being honest, why are you even asking what to do? It is not your money. It was given to you by mistake.

Give it back to the person to whom it belongs.

Did she ever say that she wasn't going to give it back?

nesf

BroomBurner wrote: »

Did she ever say that she wasn't going to give it back?

In her first post she was looking for information so she could tell him to stick the 10 euro a week up his arse.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

sunnyside = banned

eth0_

sunnyside out wrote: »

thanks shelflife,

but even if it takes 10mths or wat ever, its the point that at least im going to pay him off
dont worry, sorted out something 2nite so at least he will get half the money on money

Hmmm....so you've got a new house and you're looking to get furniture for it...yet you aren't in any hurry whatsoever to repay money that isn't yours?

Charming.

BroomBurner

nesf wrote: »

In her first post she was looking for information so she could tell him to stick the 10 euro a week up his arse.

I read that as frustration on the OP's part for offering to pay what she could and being rebuffed, quite angrily by the sounds of it. Granted, it was a bad reaction to have, but then her ex boss also had a bad reaction to her initial offer. She did actually also ask what the story with it legally, if anyone could shed any advice on it.

This whole thread is mental, the amount of people that have shown themselves to just love dancing on people when they're down. Congratulations.

nesf

BroomBurner wrote: »

I read that as frustration on the OP's part for offering to pay what she could and being rebuffed, quite angrily by the sounds of it. Granted, it was a bad reaction to have, but then her ex boss also had a bad reaction to her initial offer. She did actually also ask what the story with it legally, if anyone could shed any advice on it.

This whole thread is mental, the amount of people that have shown themselves to just love dancing on people when they're down. Congratulations.

Or people who believe that people need to be adults and take responsibility for themselves. Legally, you have to give the money back and morally you should want to do it regardless of whether you were legally obliged or not.

dingding

MagicMarker wrote: »

Hi Glezo.

You should probably remember to log out of your alt account when you reply to this thread.

Yet another sign of the op's integrity.