Worst Mania in years? A few raw spoilers

Bubs101

Considering this is a big anniversary I'm amazed at just how bad the card is. Hunter vs. Orton has been done to death before hand, Edge vs. Cena vs. Show is useless. HBK vs. Taker will probably be good but it peaked 12 years ago which sounds ridiculous as I type it. Jericho vs. some old guy (looking like Lawler atm) is a **** sandwich. Henry and Kane in the MITB has killed my enthusiasm for it already. Matt and Jeff has no momentum and is not something I'd look forward to in the ring and then Christian vs. Swagger has already been wasted on ECW. No playboy tie in for the Divas has made it more useless then ever.

Is anyone who's not going actually looking forward to this and is anybody who is going regretting spending so much on such a weak card?

Brolly

Can't believe I spent this much on this card

I'm not that impressed by the build up so far. I think Orton v Triple H will be good as its "personal". Taker v HBK - its the match I was hoping for. Apart from that, there isn't much to get excited about. I am still hoping for Jericho v Stone Cold (unlikely I know). If its Lawler - thats gonna be my piss break in the Reliant Stadium!

Otis Driftwood

No

Big Show main eventing Mania.

CMpunked

Going so it should be good

bubs can you explain what the poll choices mean?

Like i would be picking the "Meh, its mania so it shouldnt be too bad...." option

Bubs101

No

The choices are fairly obvious. The question is crap Wrestlemania so if you think it is crap then say yes, if not then say no. People who are going have probably convinced themselvers it's great so it'd sway the poll if not accounted for.

If your on the fence then look at the title of the thread, compare it to recent mania's and then answer. Suppose the poll question could be worse mania since 2000 but even that card was better and had a good build, just failed to deliver

Rjd2

No

Bubs101 wrote: »

Considering this is a big anniversary I'm amazed at just how bad the card is. Hunter vs. Orton has been done to death before hand, Edge vs. Cena vs. Show is useless.

If Super Hunter who has buried Orton so many times finally does the job then that match could be saved. It has being done to death and they don’t put on great matches and the outcome is always the same, Super Hunter wins. MITB looks a mess to be honest and while I could get excited about Cena v Edge, now that withered away with the presence of the Big Show.

EdK

Admittedly the build is off to a rocky start but there are still 4 weeks of tv and i'm hoping there have some serious plans to beef it up

CMpunked

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EdK wrote: »

Admittedly the build is off to a rocky start but there are still 4 weeks of tv and i'm hoping there have some serious plans to beef it up

As long as its not just lathered with tag team matches with the participants being involved week in-week out.

That annoys the shít out of me

newballsplease

No

isnt this what wrestling these days is tho??? crap i mean!?

what matches would you have liked to see?
i would like to have saw some sort of ladder match between the 2 hardys.
i dont think theres any chance of taker losing his streak.

forget about stone cold etc... they're gone(if he was to come back for a once off,i think it would be a waste on jericho)
IMO all these matches have been done to death. its like for the last number of years its HHH,CENA,EDGE,UNDERTAKER,ORTON,BATISTA....

whoever wrestles who...its all the same.The spark has gone from wwe.

ShawnRaven

No

I was supposed to be going to this, I had made initial plans back in September, but pulled out due to credit crunch and conflicting event (which from a personal standpoint, i consider more important).

I'm actually glad i did, because i feel like i've dodged a bullet. I'm totally behind bubs101, but of course, ignorance being bliss, people who spent their last 3 grand aren't going to admit they blew it on a really bad wrestling card.

The amosphere will be awesome, no matter what year you go due to it being Mania, but then, i could go to a gig here for 60 quid and the atmosphere will be just as awesome and i'll still have nearly 3 grand in my pocket. Don't kid yourself, HHH doing the job isn't worth that much money out of your bank account.

The card isn't Mania IX standard of miserable proportions, but it's ranking right up there with 13 and 15. At least 15 had a good main event.

Bounty Hunter

MITB can still be salvaged, yes having Kane/Henry there is weird but with 7 superstars involved i think we might already have filled our big wrestler quota and you can expect people like Shelton Benjamin, Morrison, Mysterio and MVP to join the two behemots and CM Pun. Hell maybe they need a big guy or two in with all the high flyers for certain spots.
Edit: Just read that

Finlay is in the MITB match too, cant undersstand having all 3 of him Kane and Henry in a ladder centric match.

HHH vs Orton could be great depending on how they end it, tbh it already has enough build.

Jericho vs Austin maybe, it wouldent be long but it would be great.

HBK vs Taker, the match that everyone expects to steal the show

Big Show in the title match makes no sense whatsoever so this for me is the one really dissapointing one.

Hardy vs Hardy maybe hasnt been built well yet but there are many shows left and sure atm Wrestlers are turning up on all shows so they have time and it should be decent enough.

Ive no idea what the Divas are going to be doing at WM at all and wouldent actually be shocked if neither womens title is defended on the show

gimmick

Yup, its beginning to look like a Raw special at this stage. For those that are going, I would imagine the experience of the entire weekend will be class, but the event, matchwise, is going to suck ass.

Red Sleeping Beauty

No

ShawnRaven wrote: »

The amosphere will be awesome, no matter what year you go due to it being Mania, but then, i could go to a gig here for 60 quid and the atmosphere will be just as awesome and i'll still have nearly 3 grand in my pocket. Don't kid yourself, HHH doing the job isn't worth that much money out of your bank account.

The card isn't Mania IX standard of miserable proportions, but it's ranking right up there with 13 and 15. At least 15 had a good main event.

I knew you'd mention 13 and 15
The atmosphere I doubt would've been much at WM 13 though!

This card looks terrible. Question is though, who's going to job - Michaels or Taker ? :eek:

Red Sleeping Beauty

No

Wait, Edge vs Big Show for the strap ?
http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/matches/


Why ? Why oh why

SlickRic

Going so it should be good

i honestly don't believe they'll keep Big Slow in that match. it just makes no sense. you're ruining a perfectly good main-event standard, dare i say Wrestlemania standard match in Cena/Edge.

the key point is there's 4 WEEKS of TV left - plenty of time for things to change.

i honestly, in my heart of hearts, do not believe it will be crap. and i'm not even going! Taker/HBK, Orton/HHH, Stone Cold return (they couldn't possibly ruin that in Texas), MITB (it'll still be a spot fest as usual) yes you have three in Kane, Henry & Finlay who probably shouldn't be near the match, but one would be naive to think it won't be entertaining.

all in all it's not looking all that different from last year....

HBK/Taker will steal the show as HBK/Naitch did last year, i've no doubt.
HHH/Orton is being built FAR better than last years Orton/Cena/HHH imo.
WHC build is a joke compared to last year's Taker/Edge so far i'll admit, but there's still time.
MITB is very similar every year let's be honest.
We've no Floyd Mayweather type yet, who'll give us the surprise of the night.

and this all considering there's still 4 weeks left.

we can still be optimistic...no need to drive the stake into the heart of Wrestlemania 25 yet :pac:

Fozzy

Going so it should be good

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

This card looks terrible. Question is though, who's going to job - Michaels or Taker ? :eek:

Undertaker's going to win, obviously

Bounty Hunter

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

I knew you'd mention 13 and 15
The atmosphere I doubt would've been much at WM 13 though!

This card looks terrible. Question is though, who's going to job - Michaels or Taker ? :eek:

I cant see any point in HBK going over Taker at Mania, The deadmans streak will imo only be broken so as to really establish a new star, to psuh them through that glass ceiling so as to speak, such a victory would immediatley shoot up the profile of any new wrestler. But HBK already has done it all and doesent need the Streak stopper monike,r being Mr Wrestlemania and the Show stopper he is obviously a candidate to face Taker, a very credible one that not all fans would be sure wouldent beat the streak, but he shouldent and wont as far as im concerned

Bubs101

No

Fozzy wrote: »

Undertaker's going to win, obviously

Can't believe anybody would even question that. I'm not too confident that their match will be that good though. HBK hasn't had a good match in months so the wheels might finally be coming off the cart

No

Yeah I have to agree with most people in this thread that this is turning into the worst Wrestlemania card in years which will be made even worse if it does indeed turn out to be Jericho Vs Lawer :rolleyes:

I think the WWE think that most people will order the PPV just because its the 25th anniversary (and their probably right) but I honestly don't think Ill waste my money because of the crap card.

OrtonViper

Going so it should be good

I think this Mania will be great.

HHH v Orton-Could be a classic if done right and as it is going could be one of the best rivalrys of recent dare I say all time!

WHC-Not happy but it can't be much worse then HHH v Cena v Orton last year.

HBK v Taker-This has the hairs on the back of my neck standing up. This could be one of the greatest matches ever.

Hardy saga-It's a kind of meh to me but I don't think it will be bad.

Jericho saga-I would bet any money in the world that it won't be Lawler. My bets are SCSA or Ric Flair so it could be decent.

Cena if not in WHC-He will fight Hogan if he's not in WHC but I think he will be.

MITB-Won't be anyworse thean anyother year.

I think someone said Jericho v SCSA would be a waste, how did they come up with that.

callaway92

No

OrtonViper wrote: »

I think this Mania will be great.

HHH v Orton-Could be a classic if done right and as it is going could be one of the best rivalrys of recent dare I say all time!

WHC-Not happy but it can't be much worse then HHH v Cena v Orton last year.

HBK v Taker-This has the hairs on the back of my neck standing up. This could be one of the greatest matches ever.

Hardy saga-It's a kind of meh to me but I don't think it will be bad.

Jericho saga-I would bet any money in the world that it won't be Lawler. My bets are SCSA or Ric Flair so it could be decent.

Cena if not in WHC-He will fight Hogan if he's not in WHC but I think he will be.

MITB-Won't be anyworse thean anyother year.

I think someone said Jericho v SCSA would be a waste, how did they come up with that.

GTFO

OrtonViper

Going so it should be good

Personal rivalrys are always the best, and there is none more personal then this. Although every rivalry these days are siad to be personal

Diabhal Beag

No

Waht I would like to know is how disappointed the fans travelling to WM25 are with the card. For their sake I hope the card improves a lot

EdK

I am travelling and I'm currently alittle disappointed but all it takes is one or two big matches to turn it around, plus the atmosphere will still be incredible and I have a whole host of other events planned which will still make it an unbelievable few days

Kane-N-Nite

Going so it should be good

I couldnt be happier.

EdK

How did you go from questioning how good it would be to being so happy in a day?

Kane-N-Nite

Going so it should be good

EdK wrote: »

How did you go from questioning how good it would be to being so happy in a day?

Kanes in MITB & Kozlov is out of the Taker picture. Exactly what I wanted.:)

callaway92

No

EdK wrote: »

How did you go from questioning how good it would be to being so happy in a day?

+1

Kane-N-Nite

Going so it should be good

callaway92 wrote: »

+1

I think I answered the question.

callaway92

No

Kane-N-Nite wrote: »

I think I answered the question.

i was saying i agreed with his point..i didnt say anything to you KTHXBAI

Kane-N-Nite

Going so it should be good

callaway92 wrote: »

i was saying i agreed with his point..i didnt say anything to you KTHXBAI

I answered the question to which EdK asked & you still said "+1".

MickL

Going so it should be good

As i said in the other WM25 thread, Big Show is getting his final payment (WM titleshot) for taking a broken nose from Mayweather is the only reason he has made it into the match, it would not surprise me one bit if the WHC Match was mid card, possibly before the Taker, michaels match,

And there is not a hope in hell jerry lawlor is going to wrestle at WM25 FACT

pingu_girl

ShawnRaven wrote: »

. I'm totally behind bubs101, but of course, ignorance being bliss, people who spent their last 3 grand aren't going to admit they blew it on a really bad wrestling card.

The amosphere will be awesome, no matter what year you go due to it being Mania, but then, i could go to a gig here for 60 quid and the atmosphere will be just as awesome and i'll still have nearly 3 grand in my pocket. Don't kid yourself, HHH doing the job isn't worth that much money out of your bank account.

To be fair 3 grands a bit of an exaggeration there, its costing me under a grand and thats with a 4 star hotel for 5 nights, tickets for Hall of fame, Raw, ring of honor, Axxcess and touted tickets for mania(could have got them cheaper if we waited). Not costing much more than what a summer sun holiday would cost when you concider all our entertainment is included.

Little Shyte wrote: »

Waht I would like to know is how disappointed the fans travelling to WM25 are with the card. For their sake I hope the card improves a lot

Its not looking nearly as good as last years was, this time last year but Arra theres still 4 weeks left they just need to get the finger out.

Mania itself isn't looking THAT bad except for the MITB.

I recon Edge vs Big Show could change yet (hopefully)

Hardy Vs Hardy should be good except I know ill be sickened by Jeff winning. They just need to build up the feud more but there's still a few weeks to go.

Shawn Micheals Vs The Undertaker has the ability to be amazing.

Orton Vs Triple H should be good too I'm really enjoying the build up to this...again.

Cena will have to be in a big match also.

I'll be totally heart broken if Jericho isn't in a decent match though.

CMpunked

Going so it should be good

Wasn't the idea of the MITB conceived to give those guys who weren't always going to be the obvious competitors in a ladder match(kane, finlay, etc) a reason to be in one?

pingu_girl

It was indeed, but there are much more entertaining wrestlers who are still not in a match and could have taken there spots such as
Chris Jericho, John Cena, Rey Mysterio, Cody Rhodes,Ted DiBiase, Shelton Benjamin, Ken Kennedy, Hurricane Helms, JBL, Brian Kendrick, John Morrison, Kofi Kingston, RVD, Christian and Evan Bourne.

CMpunked

Going so it should be good

pingu_girl wrote: »

It was indeed, but there are much more entertaining wrestlers who are still not in a match and could have taken there spots such as
Chris Jericho, John Cena, Rey Mysterio, Cody Rhodes,Ted DiBiase, Shelton Benjamin, Ken Kennedy, Hurricane Helms, JBL, Brian Kendrick, John Morrison, Kofi Kingston, RVD, Christian and Evan Bourne.

I agree whole heatedly about your list, bar one exception..

pingu_girl wrote: »

JBL

....?

pingu_girl

Obviously not the greatest in ring wrestler there ever was.... But id rather watch him in a match than Henry or Kane anyday. Plus he's hilarious on the mic

paddy_5000

Edge and the big show are not used to being in the main event at mania, as both of them only main evented 1 each. So i reckon they will do there best to put on a great match..As far as Jerico v Lawler..I would have a better match with Jerico than lawler would lol. There is only one thing that can save mania this year and that is the power of HULKAMANIA:)

EdK

pingu_girl wrote: »

It was indeed, but there are much more entertaining wrestlers who are still not in a match and could have taken there spots such as
Chris Jericho, John Cena, Rey Mysterio, Cody Rhodes,Ted DiBiase, Shelton Benjamin, Ken Kennedy, Hurricane Helms, JBL, Brian Kendrick, John Morrison, Kofi Kingston, RVD, Christian and Evan Bourne.

Fair list but RVD isnt employed by the WWE

pingu_girl

I know but If they can get him to enter the rumble I'm sure its possible for him too compete in money in the bank.

Ruu_Old

No

paddy_5000 wrote: »

Edge and the big show are not used to being in the main event at mania, as both of them only main evented 1 each. So i reckon they will do there best to put on a great match..As far as Jerico v Lawler..I would have a better match with Jerico than lawler would lol. There is only one thing that can save mania this year and that is the power of HULKAMANIA

Quiet you!

EdK

pingu_girl wrote: »

I know but If they can get him to enter the rumble I'm sure its possible for him too compete in money in the bank.

If he comes in for another one shot deal you know he isnt going to win the match, so there is no real point in him being in it, even though he'd be great

pingu_girl

"Anything is possible in the world wrestling federation!" :pac:

CMpunked

Going so it should be good

pingu_girl wrote: »

"Anything is possible in the world wrestling federation!" :pac:

And everything is predictable with the world wrestling entertainment!

rossie1977

once i heard it announced for texas i wasn't going anyway, willie nelson sang those lyrics for a reason

on paper the card doesn't look good but are people forgetting NWO already raw EC, on paper that looked horrible. WM20 lesnar and goldberg and takers long awaited comeback, on paper both looked great, in reality they stank worse than rotten eggs

after mania 20 i knew wwe wasn't going to go overboard for mania 25

everyone was pissed when flair and hogan didn't get it on at WM8, however in its place macho/flair put on a match we wouldn't have seen had hogan been in there with ric.

whatever happens with the edge world title match, this won't be a main-event match, it will be well down the card perhaps 4th from top, taker/hbk will be ahead of it and orton/HHH will headline. HHH doesn't want another world title match taking up the spotlight

Degag

No

I think that Edge vs. Show would blow big time but (the most likely outcome) a triple threat with cena included could be a pretty good match... HHH vs. Orton and Taker vs. Michaels will definately deliver... i'm sure they're planning to do something good with the big guys in MITB (whether it will be good is the question)

Jericho's angle is very strange, it will be totally underwhelming concidering the strenght of his promo's to be anyone other than Hogan, stone cold, flair or foley (yeah, i know). The match is also not likely to go longer than 10 minutes so again it has to be sold on the legacy of the opponant not the quality of the match.

callaway92

No

Are people so stupid and slow to think they will actually put Edge vs Big Show on..Heel vs Heel..LOOOOOOL....It wont be that..Chances are it will be Cena vs Edge in a NO DQ match or else a triple threat match with the 3 of them...Probably the no DQ match though

orestes

callaway92, your posts in this thread are bordering on trolling, rein it in.

FutureGuy

No

There is ZERO chance that Edge vs Big Show is a 1-on-1 Wrestlemania main event. Cena will either replace Show or it will become a triple threat.

Either way, I couldn't care as there is no build up for it whatsoever.

CMpunked

Going so it should be good

Wonder what the angle will actually be that leads into mania for the WHC.

Like we know this and next weeks show, and nothing great seems to be stemming.

Will they have Show turn face?

Or have Vickie turn on Edge and have him turn face? Leading to a long awaited E&C reunion?

Brolly

Can't believe I spent this much on this card

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Or have Vickie turn on Edge and have him turn face?

I hope not...Edge is a great heel.