Dental Treatment in Hungary?

maria28

Has anyone been to Hungary for dental treatment?

Can you recommend a good clinic?

I need 2 implants, 3 fillings, 1 crown!!!!!:D

btkm8unsl0w5r4

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Cephei

To be honest with you I wouldnt bother goign abroad..I needed similar work and was considering budapest but if you factor in travel expenses accomodation and time travelling you will find its far less hassle and around the same price to go up North.. I have a dentist I am using that I am extremely happy with and would be glad to recommend them to you..I will send you a PM as if I recommend here my post will probably be deleted for 'advertising'..

maria28

\hi, can you give me contact details for this dentist in N Ireland
Maria28

Cephei

Hi, I sent you a private message with the details. If you dont have it I will resend..

ciaracp

edited at OPs request

maria28

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jamesy08

Hi.id appreciate some information Re;Your dentist up North
Thanks

BogOak

haven't got a quote from the hungarian crowd (access smile) yet but i'd also be interested in checking out this dentist up north. also wouldn't mind hearing anyone's feedback on the hungarian option if they've tried it.

fmhickey

Hi

Can i get that number for the dentist in Northern Ireland aswell.

Thanks

ciaracp

edited at OPs request

Gaz1614

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vegagalway

Hi,

My friend got an implant done in Hungary before christmas and she got on really well. I think she saw the dentist in Dublin before she went over, she said it was a great service. I can get the name of the company from her if you like..

EileenG

I'm in the middle of dental treatment in Hungary. So far, I'm very impressed with it, not lest because I can get appointments when it suits me. Prices quoted are about 60% of prices here, and quality of work is better.

Certainly for me, because I live close to the airport, it's actually easier to get to Budapest than to the North.

dentalnurse

hi all
dental treatment here in the republic is crazy money, your looking at 1500 for RCT and a crown on one tooth, i hear up north its much cheaper! although your on your own to find a good one as dentists in the republic will not refer up north (its a dentist thing!)
I personally would not go abroad because of the aftercare (whatever about expense of travelling and accom. it would still prob be cheaper) , if u are in a spot of bother afterwords there is no dentist i know of that will look kindly on seeing u as he/she hasnt carried out the treatment!!!
So going up north (as close to the border as possible) is your best option, it might be a lil bit more expensive than bulgaria or turkey but you have a security net and chances are with that amount of work there will be a few bits here and there that wont go right and slow the process down.
Ill just give u a quick example. A patient of ours went to india to have his teeth done, he needed two crowns and came back with twelve, granted they were cheaper, but he didnt need them!! he was having a problem with a lower molar, my boss took him in (much to his dislike but couldnt see the man left in pain) and xrayed it. It turned out the post was drilled into the side of his root!! the tooth had to be extracted. Since then three more have been extracted. he now has a partial denture on the bottom.
All i can say is just be careful and weigh up your options!!

dentalnurse

Sorry just realised i sounded really negative, there are some really good clinics abroad too and their work is of a really high standard, all id be worried about is the aftercare!! Let me know how it goes!!

EileenG

I got a bone graft done in Budapest, came home, and the clinic organised a local dentist to take out the stitches a couple of weeks later. I believe that's standard. Anything you pay to an Irish dentist for aftercare is subtracted from the Hungarian cost.

To be honest, one of the things that sold me was that it takes months to get an appointment for anything major at home, and I can ring up with about a week's notice and they'll get me done in Hungary. I have to work round children, college, work and a bunch of other things, it makes a huge difference if I get an appointment that doesn't clash with Brownies and taekwondo etc.

vegagalway

Yeah I know what you mean about the Irish dentists being releuctant to do anything for you afterwards, thats what put me off. But my friend is getting all her aftercare done in Dublin the company have a clinic there for all the aftercare and that. I'm going in for a consultation this weekend myself as its easier for me to get back in there for aftercare than if I had to go up north again if I needed to..

adelcrowsmel

There was a group of women on tv3 - Ireland AM one morning - part of the glow makeover and 2 of them went over to Budaperst to get their teeth done. I can't remember the name of the company but they said that they had all the consultations and aftercare in Dublin and just the dental work bit done in Budapest If I remember right I think they said all information about the clinic was on the website - either tv3 or glow makeover

vegagalway

The place I'm going to is called Denteast, they seem very helpful and my friend is really happy with them so hopefully all will go ok

adelcrowsmel

I just found it there on the glow makover website - the company is called Madenta

http://www.madenta.ie

The women who went can't recommend it highly enough!

ciaracp

edited at OPs request

georgieporgy

i'm a dentist practising in the 'south'. just last week i had a nice lady in my office requesting a repair to a broken filling. as i attended to the problem she casually shared that she had gotten some work done 'up north' last year.

after she left i asked my receptionest if she had noticed the crowns on this lady's front teeth. "Yes!" she answered.

now the point is - she shouldn't really have noticed them.;)

EileenG

In that case, you are probably the best person to ask this: what is your situation if you get crowns and you feel they are the wrong colour or size for your mouth? I got crowns years ago (in Dublin) and I never felt they were the right colour or size. In that situation, what can you do? Can you reasonably ask your dentist to take them out and replace them with ones that are a better match? Do you have to pay for crowns that are not right?

The thing is, they are always in before you get a good look at them and how they fit in your mouth.

georgieporgy

There is a reason for crowns to be expensive. a lot of issues are involved. to get 'invisible' natural looking crowns requires skill and experience on the part of the clinician and everyone else involved in the manufacturing process. we have more materials available today than years ago. i do nicer crowns now than i did 20 years ago. so then, if money is not an issue and the dentist doesn't have to cut corners, the dentist will work with an excellent lab. a waxup of the planned work can be done on a cast of your teeth so both you and the dentist can get an idea of what the end result will look like. your temporary crowns will be copies of this waxup. they can be adjusted easily if they don't look right. when satisfied with the temps the real ones can be made up. with modern photography to assist us it is easy to get a good colour match to your existing teeth. furthermore the colour of the natural teeth may be lightened (expensive and pain free, and permanent if done right).
if they don't look right at the fit stage just say so and they will be adjusted or redone. if they seem ok , because you can be disoriented from anaesthetic and a moutfull of cottonwool , and you change you mind a month later and are not really happy with the appearance just go back and say so. i would much rather redo a case than have the individual tell all their friends who did a crappy job.

georgieporgy

EileenG wrote: »

I got a bone graft done in Budapest, came home, and the clinic organised a local dentist to take out the stitches a couple of weeks later. I believe that's standard. Anything you pay to an Irish dentist for aftercare is subtracted from the Hungarian cost.

"To be honest, one of the things that sold me was that it takes months to get an appointment for anything major at home, and I can ring up with about a week's notice and they'll get me done in Hungary. I have to work round children, college, work and a bunch of other things, it makes a huge difference if I get an appointment that doesn't clash with Brownies and taekwondo etc.

"

There does seem to be that notion that one has to wait months for a dental appt in ireland. most dentists i know will see a patient in pain 'today'. as for big cases, i think most dentists would see them yesterday!
i schedule 4 days a week. i keep the fifth free so i can fit in the 'big case' that appears unanounced. if nothing turns up i get a day off.
i suppose some offices like to say they are so good that they are extremely busy and you have to wait, a bit like being asked if you have made a reservation in an empty restaurant (i'm talking celtic tiger days of happy memory .)
Turning people away is sometimes a power thing on the part of front desk staff. i think the recession will sort out a lot of that behaviour.
just for fun why don't you or someone phone 10 dental offices, say you need all your upper teeth crowned for your wedding which is in 8 weeks time. can they accommodate you?

EileenG

I needed an implant, and the few dentists who do them in any sort of accessible area all had waiting lists of months, not weeks. Plus they were a lot more expensive than I've been quoted for similar work in the North or abroad.

I have young children who need looking after, so going to Budapest is purely a trip to the dentist, there's no holiday element for me. I wouldn't do it if I didn't feel it would work out better.

aare

georgieporgy wrote: »

just for fun why don't you or someone phone 10 dental offices, say you need all your upper teeth crowned for your wedding which is in 8 weeks time. can they accommodate you?

You are VERY wicked!

As far as I can see...implant work is far cheaper in Hungary than anywhere...crowns don't seem to be much different between Hungary and the North, not when you factor in accomodation (and allow for the bootload of shopping you bring back )

As for the quality of crowns...if you really don't like them, OF COURSE you should say something...

People often don't realise that crowns can be reshaped, to an extent, after they have been fitted.

...and if you you have a really bad colour match or an unfortunate shape the dentist should replace them free of charge...

...and a little hint on natural looking crowns...apart from the canines...don't be TOO hung up on exact symetry...not unless you really WANT to look like Simon Cowell...:D

EileenG

No, definitely don't want to look like Simon Cowell. But I have very small teeth, and whoever makes the crowns seems to have problems with that. They always seem to be bigger than my own teeth.

aare

EileenG wrote: »

No, definitely don't want to look like Simon Cowell.

Who does? (<not even him)

As far as I know, apart from closing gaps, this thing about "big teeth" is literally a fashion...the prevailing US idea of beauty is BIG TEETH...

But it doesn't suit everyone...not AT ALL...if you get the right (kind, co-operative, cosmetic minded) dentist you could easily have the length of your existing crowns ground down a little...and it should hardly cost a thing...

(If any dentist, know any reason why this proceedure cannot be performed, speak now, or for ever hold your peace? )

Just try for a minor adjustment to the front top 6 and see how you feel?

I just had two incisors shortened and it made a tremendous difference (to me, other people probably barely noticed I had anything changed at ALL).

Also, crowns don't always sit perfectly first time...if your occlusion is uncomfortable (a sort of "bruised" feeling on your jaw under the tooth) a crown may need a little grinding? Into a better fit.

georgieporgy

In my practice we can provide single tooth 'basic' implants (crown included) for 2000 euro. however the price can be as high as 3000 depending on type of implant and aesthetic requirements, and whether bone grafting is needed. ( for example, skipping the waxup stage mentioned in an earlier post saves cash). I use a north american lab.

what are they charging in Hungary these days?

Simon Cowells teeth really do look excessively white and artificial.. But in America lots of people insist on ultra white and maybe he was influenced by that.

When i say 'invisible crowns' i mean crowns that blend in with your natural teeth. they can be any colour and straight or crooked. the patient usually makes the choice. Strangely enough most ask for straight and white....

aare

georgieporgy wrote: »

In my practice we can provide single tooth 'basic' implants (crown included) for 2000 euro. however the price can be as high as 3000 depending on type of implant and aesthetic requirements, and whether bone grafting is needed. ( for example, skipping the waxup stage mentioned in an earlier post saves cash). I use a north american lab.

what are they charging in Hungary these days?

€690 - €890 depending on type...

I'll pm you a page link so you can comment on the types for us without being co-opted into advertising?

georgieporgy wrote: »

Simon Cowells teeth really do look excessively white and artificial.. But in America lots of people insist on ultra white and maybe he was influenced by that.

My dad's backup dentures look more natural! It's not just the colour, it's the shape...totally, even with about THE most aging shape possible...can't help wondering if, maybe he has a gum/jaw problem that mean they can't be a better shape...*shudders*

That "ultra white" is a mistake, except perhaps, in the VERY young (if their natural teeth are still that white). It's one of those things like skin tone becoming lighter with age, along with hair...teeth are MEANT to be a little darker as we age, and the eye is not fooled...

georgieporgy wrote: »

When i say 'invisible crowns' i mean crowns that blend in with your natural teeth. they can be any colour and straight or crooked. the patient usually makes the choice. Strangely enough most ask for straight and white....

Absolutely, I used have and "invisible" front crown which was indistinguishable from my real teeth in shade or shaping, absolute work of art, another was brighter, and not so great...

Something I wish someone had explained to me YEARS ago was the totally different aesthetics of single "invisible" crowns and extensive crowning...

You really need to understand the difference any changes will make to the perception of remaining teeth too, that can be a surprise.

georgieporgy

That 690-890 fee is for the implant under the gum. you need to add more for abutment and crown. They don't clarify that in their advertising. The average layman reading it could not be blamed for assuming that 690-890 was the total amount. It's really twice that.

When we say 'implant' here we generally mean the whole thing, the finished tooth in your mouth.

johnm.

adelcrowsmel wrote: »

I just found it there on the glow makover website - the company is called Madenta

http://www.madenta.ie

The women who went can't recommend it highly enough!

Hey,

*** mode edit probable spam ****.

Big_G

EileenG wrote: »

In that case, you are probably the best person to ask this: what is your situation if you get crowns and you feel they are the wrong colour or size for your mouth? I got crowns years ago (in Dublin) and I never felt they were the right colour or size. In that situation, what can you do? Can you reasonably ask your dentist to take them out and replace them with ones that are a better match? Do you have to pay for crowns that are not right?

The thing is, they are always in before you get a good look at them and how they fit in your mouth.

Not necessarily. With large cases, I like to temp bond the crowns or veneers for a couple of days. I also get a diagnostic wax-up done before, during the treatment planning phase so that the patient gets an idea of what things might be like at the end.
With all due respect to georgieporgy, no dentist likes to have a big case with time pressure fall into his lap, especially the more inexperienced ones. I also think that very few receptionists worth their salt would turn away a patient for a power trip. If mine did and I found out, I would be very upset. I currently have a two week wait and I work 6 days a week. I wouldn't turn away a high pressure case, but I would like some time to plan and carry out treatment. As tailors would say, measure twice, cut once. As I would say, do you want it done fast or do you want it done right?

EileenG

While I'm glad you take your time and try to do a good job, it doesn't really answer my question. What are your rights if you get a crown and it isn't right?

Big_G

EileenG wrote: »

While I'm glad you take your time and try to do a good job, it doesn't really answer my question. What are your rights if you get a crown and it isn't right?

This is something you should discuss with the original dentist. It is always a question of what your desired outcome was vs. what was possible to achieve for that tooth. Generally speaking, I always will review the crowns I've placed if asked. If the patient is unhappy I will try and rectify that situation, any way that I can.
I'm not sure of your rights, to be perfectly honest.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

toldidental wrote: »

Hi Maria,
One of our patient recommend us the site and the forum. As we experienced it is not an easy decision to for dental treatment abroad wothour amy recommendation. You can ask somebody about the experience.If You need any feed back reagding our dental services let me know.
Orsolya

Yes good communication is important with a dentist :rolleyes:
Please read the charter before posting here. This feels very much like spam to me. I am keeping an eye on this one.

aero2k

Mina Lazy Fort wrote: »

Yes good communication is important with a dentist :rolleyes:
Please read the charter before posting here. This feels very much like spam to me. I am keeping an eye on this one.

Hello Mod,
I want to assure everyone that this is not spam. I am the client ****** refers to in her post - you can see me in the case histories on her site (case #9).
This is my first post here - I normally lurk over on Athletics - but having just returned from Hungary this thread caught my eye and I sent ***** the link, thinking she might be able to help people. I won't go into a review of the treatment as I had implants which will need a few months before I can chew hard/crunchy things, but I can certainly recommend the quality of service. I felt I was treated like a human being and everything was friendly and unhurried. Also, they seemed to be trying to minimise the amount of work recommended rather than trying to maximise revenue. I have had some (excellent btw) crowns done in the US, but in retrospect I think I'd have been fine with just root canal fillings and I suspect the recommendation reflected the US obsession with cosmetically perfect teeth vs. merely functional ones.
There are good and bad dentists everywhere (***** mentioned to me about having to repair some poor quality work done in bigger, fancier clinics) so I'd recommend looking around until you find people you feel comfortable with, particularly if you need major work as I did. I'm not trying to give anyone a free advert - I have no connection with this clinic prior to becoming a client, although I do now regard them as friends - and I am not receiving any inducement to make this post, or the testimonial on the website. I value my independance and objectivity and I wouldn't accept any such reward, and I think I'm enough of a judge of people to say that ***** wouldn't make such an offer either.
I'll be happy to provide any further information anyone requires, either on this forum or by PM.
John

Please read the charter before posting. thems the rules.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

aero2k wrote: »

Also, they seemed to be trying to minimise the amount of work recommended rather than trying to maximise revenue. I have had some (excellent btw) crowns done in the US, but in retrospect I think I'd have been fine with just root canal fillings .

Every back tooth (eye tooth backwards) should have a crown after root canal treatment. The chances of it fracturing badly are much greater without a crown. Infact you might not have those teeth now except for the crowns.

aero2k wrote: »

I won't go into a review of the treatment as I had implants which will need a few months before I can chew hard/crunchy things,

Best practice is not to load the implants in function untill they are fully integrated. Immediate loading is risky IMHO. This is a risk with rapidly carried out treatment.

Powdered gloves leave a residue on your hands (most dentists use latex powder free gloves because some patients are allergic). So in this photo you can see a dentists or nurses BARE HANDS in a patients mouth :eek:


What do the dentists hear think of this result



Seeing as they are being used as advertisments I think this is fair game.

georgieporgy

It's difficult to judge from one photo but I would have 2 concerns.

1- John is a bruxer. There is significant wear on all the adjacent teeth. The implants were loaded immediatly? Are they fully in occlusion or out of the bite? If they are temps and not fully in occlusion I probably wouldn't worry too much.. I suspect however that that is not the case.
2- he may have difficulty maintaining hygiene around the implants what with the aesthetic gum work etc.

John, I suggest you invest another 100euro. Go into any prosthodontist in the free world and ask for an assessment while there is still time.

As for the first photo, I couldn't possibly have an opinion. All the important bits are hidden by lips and fingers.

aero2k

georgieporgy wrote: »

As for the first photo, I couldn't possibly have an opinion. All the important bits are hidden by lips and fingers.

The first photo is not me.

John

aero2k

Mina Lazy Fort wrote: »

Seeing as they are being used as advertisments I think this is fair game.

I gave the clinic in question permission to use the photo (second one above) on their website. I did not give anyone permission to use it here, and in fact you didn't ask me for permission. I know this is an anonymous forum but I feel very uncomfortable having my particular case discussed in public. Are there not some rules about this kind of thing?

I recognise that I have had a part in opening this particular can of worms, however my sending this web address to the clinic and my first post here was just to point out that it is possible to have a good service abroad. I deliberately stayed away from discussing the details of the work as it's too early to comment on the outcome.

John

davo10

The case photos on toldidental should deter anyone from using their services. Firstly they are astonishingly poor quality and some are out of focus, many hide the back teeth and one of the most important aspects of complex dental treatments, the occlusion (bite). The aesthetic result of the bridgework/crowns is from a bygone era, they are monochromatic and tombstone shaped, the pink porcelain attached to crowns to compensate for resorbed tissues is bulky/overcontoured and without doubt a food/plaque trap. Midlines are all over the place and in one case a full mouth reconstruction has been undertaken at one visit without any contact points being retained to maintain occlusal height and facial vertical dimension. It is pot luck if lab got heights of teeth right and the patient may suffer TMJ problems in the future if unable to adapt to even slight change in vertical dimension when teeth in contact. Immediate loading of implants is not recommeded by any of the reputable implant companies though I am aware that Nobel Biocare have conducted studies. It is physiologically impossible for sufficient bone/implant integration to have occurred after 10 days to predictably withstand the forces put on the implant prosthesis by the opposing dentition. Also i am not convinced that the abutments shown on the photos are titanium, they look like etched alloy, perhaps toldidental could post the implant system used and a link to studies recommending immediate loading. (incidently if you view the websites for Nobel/Straumann/ankylos/3i etc you can view their 5yr/10yr etc study results)

btkm8unsl0w5r4

aero2k wrote: »

I gave the clinic in question permission to use the photo (second one above) on their website. I did not give anyone permission to use it here, and in fact you didn't ask me for permission. I know this is an anonymous forum but I feel very uncomfortable having my particular case discussed in public. Are there not some rules about this kind of thing?

I recognise that I have had a part in opening this particular can of worms, however my sending this web address to the clinic and my first post here was just to point out that it is possible to have a good service abroad. I deliberately stayed away from discussing the details of the work as it's too early to comment on the outcome.

John

So you recommend this clinic without knowing the outcome of treatment? The clinic owner was on this very thread touting for business, his user name was the clinic name, you named the clinic and pointed us to your case on the web site. How is linking to those picture publically available on the internet making you any more uncomfortable. If you hold yourself up as a example , I think you have to be open to critique.

(the picture are only linked , they are not stored on boards.ie in any way. I have not copied them.)

BTW: the first photos is just to show the lack of gloves...To a patient a lot of this work can look good, but even a 3rd year dental student could see some of the problems. We all have problems with treatment, and sometimes you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear, But usually I show my best cases.

Check out case 5 - OMG

davo10

That's the one that really caught my eye, full mouth recon in one go. Shocking aesthetics, monochromatic tombstone teeth, overhanging margins, no gaps near gingiva for effective cleaning, open margins on right side where I hope it is cement visible, the crowns on back two teeth are blanching gingival tissues, no reproducable record of where intercuspal position was, no reproducable record of orriginal vertical dimension, wow.

aero2k

I would like to respond to some of the issues raised in response to my posts. OP I regret the apparent hi-jacking of your thread, but I hope you find the discussion useful anyway. Of necessity this is a long post, I’ll do my best to keep it coherent. I haven’t figured out how to quote multiple posts so I have named the posters and put their words in blue.

Fitzgeme you posted:

So you recommend this clinic without knowing the outcome of treatment? The clinic owner was on this very thread touting for business, his user name was the clinic name, you named the clinic

I didn’t mention the outcome. I was careful to only refer to the fact that I found the service to be good. In fact I specifically stated that I would have to wait 3 months before chewing hard/crunchy food. I didn't post to recommend the clinic, I posted in response to the accusations of spamming. I felt indirectly responsible as I had made the clinic owner aware of the existence of this site and thought I might have inadvertently placed her in a bad position. I thought she might find the exchange of opinions useful in preparing answers to the kind of questions potential Irish clients might have. I had considered posting earlier but didn’t want to find myself in the position of recommending something to people when I have no knowledge of their particular circumstances. I thought it might be helpful to the OP if there was a discussion with some input from a clinic outside Ireland. I did not suggest to the clinic owner that she advertise her clinic here. I did not read the rules before making my first post but presumed advertising was a no-no. I believe I did not name the clinic (as you edited my post I can’t check) but merely mentioned the Christian name of the owner, which was mentioned in her post labeled by you as potential spam. As you did not edit out her name or username, I presumed it was okay to mention it. I apologise if I was wrong in this presumption.

Fitzgeme you continued:

..and pointed us to your case on the web site. How is linking to those picture publically available on the internet making you any more uncomfortable. If you hold yourself up as a example , I think you have to be open to critique.

I pointed to my pictures to show that I was a real person with no connection to the clinic and that I was the person referred to in the clinic owner’s post, lest anyone think I was a figment of her imagination. I gave her permission to use my photos on the site as an illustration of their work. I did not give her or anyone else permission to host a case review by dentists who appear happy to pass a verdict on the basis of a small photo. There is a full human being attached to those implants, with a long medical and dental history, and a unique set of circumstances. I would have expected any dentist to at least make some basic enquiries into those circumstances before passing comments. I’d be happy to sit in a room with any individual or group of dentists here and discuss the treatment in conjunction with my dental history and personal circumstances.

Fitzgeme you posted earlier:

Please read the charter before posting. thems the rules (sic)

Let me quote from said charter:

Positive recommendations for a good dentist, orthodontist, etc. is allowed however any negative comments about a named professional could be construed as liable (sic) and will be deleted, followed by a permanent banning.

Fitzgeme you invited negative comments about a clinic that had already been named:

“Seeing as they are being used as advertisments I think this is fair game”

unless of course you meant they were fair game for praise, which would be an unusual use of the phrase to say the least.

Davo10 was happy to oblige

“The case photos on ********* should deter anyone from using their services”.

He named the clinic and the post was entirely derogatory. Then you ( Fitzgeme)added

“Check out case 5 – OMG”.

Do either of you know all the dental history of these patients and the full details of the treatment. Do you know if they were happy with the work? Are you aware of the long term outcomes?

I await deletion and banning as per the charter that you drafted.

I am not making any comments on the actions of the clinic owner in posting, and as I’m not a dentist I won’t make any technical comments either. I have no doubt about the ability of dentists on this site to do excellent work on teeth, and I don’t have a huge issue with prices bearing in mind everything costs more here. Having read some of the posts here however I now have huge doubts about the ability, or willingness, of a significant number to treat a whole patient rather than merely a set of teeth.

I’d love to be convinced otherwise.

John

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Thanks Aero2k. The charter point I was leaning you towards was the 50 post or 2 months spam rule. Have a read again.

You seem upset, sorry about that. I understand you feel you had a good experience with your dentistry abroad and would like to tell others about it. I understand that. Unfortunately the technical quality of the work in the photos is very poor for the most part. I am not saying that some of it is not good. But with the sheer amount of work carried out the technical quality is extremely important, you wont care about it now but you will in the future.

Usually I will not comment on work done abroad on a public forum, but seeing as the practice owner came on here personally to pimp for work I think this should be brought to peoples attention.

Large scale work such as this takes time and experience to do properly. The reason its is expensive here is that you won dentist will often send you to a specialist to get this done. It takes a lot of time and patience.

Its not about what you are having done, its about who does it. If you cannot get the correct person to do it, dont do anything. Wait. You only get once chance to place implants or cut on teeth, its a non renewable resource.

No I dont now the patients history in these cases, however that does not explain the obvious technical and aesthetic problems there for everyone to see. This is not a consumer issue it is a health issue.

aero2k

Hi Fitzgeme,

I wasn't upset so much on my own behalf as on behalf of the clinic owner. I can't help feeling that things would have panned out very differently if I'd posted the pics, attributed them to a named Irish clinic, and invited comments, favourable or otherwise. I'll admit a bias here in that I believe all Irish professions place protecting their status ahead of the welfare of their clients. I may be wrong, but there's plenty of evidence to support this view.

Mina Lazy Fort wrote: »

Thanks Aero2k. The charter point I was leaning you towards was the 50 post or 2 months spam rule. Have a read again.
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I have read the 50 post / 2 month rule. However, it appears my first post preceded that post from tbh by about 4 hours. As regards the forum charter I have already admitted not reading it prior to posting - nevertheless I think my posts have complied with the spirit, if not the letter of the rules. I have no objection to any of the rules here and will always adhere to them when posting. I regret the fact that the clinic was named in public and I'd have been a lot happier to only pass on details by PM. As you mention I was very happy with the experience I had there, however I didn't want to find myself in the situation of saying "this is the world's most fantastic dental clinic and I think you're all missing out if you don't go there immediately". Dentists might discuss technical issues in an objective manner, however it's impossible for us as patients not to be subjective. What I'm trying to say, albeit in a very long-winded way, is that just because one person finds a place good doesn't mean the next person automatically will. It may mean, however, that the place is worth serious consideration.

I suppose what I'm looking for is balance. All of the responses I've seen here from dentists regarding treatment abroad have been overwhelmingly negative. I think it's fair to say that just like any other profession there are good, bad, and indifferent dentists everywhere. I haven't seen anyone post about it, but I'm sure some of you have found yourselves trying to repair or salvage work done by some of your Irish colleagues.
Despite the impression I may have created, I don't have a bias against the dental (or medical) profession in Ireland, and I have had some very good experiences here. I do think some of the charges, especially for routine work, are excessive, however in most cases it's not worth the hassle of going abroad. There is also the risk of needing some aftercare - again this risk is present with all treatment, though of course it's a lot more inconvenient if you have had treatment abroad. We need to accept that there is a certain level of risk in all courses of action, and we need to satisfy ourselves that we are comfortable with the balance between risk and reward for whatever choice we make. In my personal case I never considered having the work done here because it would have been a huge amount of money to spend on myself - if I had the money I'd be spending it on my family first. For me, and I suspect many people reading these threads, the choice was abroad or not at all. In that context, constructive and objective comments are helpful, foreign dentist bashing is not.

I take your point about having the work done by a specialist - in my case the implants were placed by someone who does nothing else.

Finally, as recommended by someone on here, I sought a second opinion on the work I had done. Apart from not being impressed with the colour match of the artificial gum (a common problem apparently) and advising me on the importance of good hygiene (as the Hungarian clinic had done), the peridontist I spoke to expressed no cause for concern. I'll report back here in a few months when I've had an opportunity for a good chew.

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aero2k wrote: »

Finally, as recommended by someone on here, I sought a second opinion on the work I had done. Apart from not being impressed with the colour match of the artificial gum (a common problem apparently) and advising me on the importance of good hygiene (as the Hungarian clinic had done), the peridontist I spoke to expressed no cause for concern. I'll report back here in a few months when I've had an opportunity for a good chew.

Second opinions are a bit useless after the irreversable proceedure is complete. If you are happy with your treatment why bother?

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Mina Lazy Fort wrote: »

Second opinions are a bit useless after the irreversable proceedure is complete. If you are happy with your treatment why bother?

The uselessness of second opinions didn't prevent you from giving yours, and soliciting others. Strangely, the specialist I attended didn't seem to think his opinion was useless.
It seems that dentists, just like doctors, differ. A fellow dentist on here suggested I get a second opinion "before it's too late". I have to admit that curiosity got the better of me. Was there something evident in the photos that nobody wanted to say out loud? Would an Irish dentist say "oh no, now all your teeth are going to fall out, just because you went abroad". I was very happy with my treatment, but of course statistically the outcome is uncertain. I felt the odds were in my favour as I'm a non-smoker in good general health. Given that yourself and your colleagues were happy to raise issues on here, I thought it prudent to see if a specialist had any cause for concern about the treatment I've had. I'll be having a follow-up visit with the Hungarian dentist and I wanted to be in a good position to raise any such concerns. In the event there were none.
I believe the only (but very significant) irreversible part of the procedure was the placement of the two implants. I have no reason to doubt either the competence of the implantologist or the quality of the implants themselves, so that leaves the possibility of rejection or problems due to early loading. Due to the nature of my bite, I believe the latter is diminished in effect. So now it's a question of wait and see.