Error or some kind of Dole fraud?

老大

Live on my own at the moment and havnt rented out to any non friends in the past,
but last week got a letter (brown envelope / strip of sticky tape on the back) addressed to a non-national at my address. I didnt open it but it was locally postmarked and reminded me and im almost sure it was from the dole office (as my friend years ago got one and i got one same years ago)

I just put a strike through the name and address and wrote return to sender on it person does not live here, and An Post can look after it. (not sure if its legal to open post myself??)

Again today, get another letter (different name) but you can clearly see through the address label where it says Health Service Executive, and holding it up to the light you can make out supplementary welfare something, but there is a ref number and i can make out an address where it came from.

PArt of me thinks its just an error but is anyone else getting these letters addressed to other people at their homes??
Im deffo going to write to the HSE in case someone is trying to use my address as some kind of fraud or something.

Anyone know who best to report this to ??

thks

Abi

Id have taken both to the local social welfare officer. Sounds like a scam to me.

turgon

Be a devil. Keep the money, its what the Taoiseach would do

Sharpshooter

I agree with Abigayle, get the feckers in trouble.
We can't afford to be carrying anyone now.

Saibh

I would ring the HSE instead of writing to them - open the letters.

Gummy Panda

one way to solve this OP..

BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!!

老大

Gummy Panda wrote: »

one way to solve this OP..

BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN!!

haha yeah, good idea ! :P

Ok opened it, and it was indeed from a walfare officer about someones claim for rent relief and supplementary welfare [wont go into detail too much]

Anyway i've wrote to the welfare officer enclosing the letter explaining that the person(s) dont live here and that my address isnt rented out and I didnt want my home to be in some way used to defruad the state :eek:

Case closed... for now :cool:

banshee_bones

that sounds seriously scketchy! :eek:

keep us posted!!

ownknee

turgon wrote: »

Be a devil. Keep the money, its what the Taoiseach would do

Ha ha ha...
Not sure if this one would get away with that but certainly our previous Taoiseach might have thought about it...

dvpower

Its those non nationals ripping off our social welfare system again...


... or maybe just an address mix up.

ownknee

dvpower wrote: »

Its those non nationals ripping off our social welfare system again...


... or maybe just an address mix up.

Oh for Gods sake...if I hear another person giving out about non nationals again I might just get sick.
While I have no doubt there are a number of non nationals scamming, I find it very hard to assume they are ALL scamming.
No one batted an eyelid when these non nationals were doing work Irish people didn't want to do when times were good. But now the sh*t has hit the fan the non nationals are to blame for scamming the welfare system.
I worked with non nationals & I have to say they would put us to shame, as much as we hate to hear it, it is actually true.
Also I might add that there are enough Irish people who are scamming the welfare system even when you couldn't turn in the street but you would get hit with a job offer.
Instead of concentrating your energy into discriminating against non nationals, why don't you ask why there isn't someone going around checking out people who are signing on & still working either full time or part time?
And don't tell me it's not happening, it has probably never been as rampant as it is now.

AnonoBoy

No no - their scam has worked perfectly.

They used to live at your address and legitimately claimed social welfare. But then they left and moved out of Ireland to another country. And now due to a clerical error, some paper work is still being sent to them at their old address.

What a scam!!!!!


Those geniuses.

Sorry - Those Geniui!!!!!!

You can never compete with these masterminds of welfare fraud. No way, no how!

jhegarty

ownknee wrote: »

Oh for Gods sake...if I hear another person

They need to scam sometimes, can't have Swan for dinner every night.

dvpower

ownknee wrote: »

Instead of concentrating your energy into discriminating against non nationals ...

I didn't think my post needed the inclusion of a sarcasm tag. Looks like I was wrong.

Abi

Here we go again.


/can of worms opened

CreepingDeath

Abigayle wrote: »

/can of worms opened

They're eating our worms as well ?

dvpower

老大 wrote: »

Live on my own at the moment and havnt rented out to any non friends in the past

Ok OP. So you've established that the people that the letters were addressed to didn't live at your address.

AnonoBoy wrote: »

They used to live at your address ...

OP. You were wrong. They did live at your address. See.

AnonoBoy wrote: »

...and legitimately claimed social welfare.

How do you know this s**t?

AnonoBoy wrote: »

But then they left and moved out of Ireland to another country.

Do you happen to have a forwarding address? Can you give it to the OP to forward on the mail to.

Abi

CreepingDeath wrote: »

They're eating our worms as well ?

Ye. They use worm meat and various árse burning spices to make their own sausages.

We'll be left with nothing.

tolosenc

You don't happen to live at 123 Fake St., do you OP?

Daroxtar

ownknee wrote: »

I worked with non nationals & I have to say they would put us to shame, as much as we hate to hear it, it is actually true.

I'm absolutley sick to death of tripe like that. Put us to shame??
No they would not.They might put you to shame but the vast majority i worked with spent most of their time with a phone in one hand and a fag in the other waiting beside a corner so they could spot the foreman coming and pretend they were doing something. Any culchie working on a site would and regularly did in my experience sh1te from a height on them.

They might shame you in attendance rates, turning up every single day, some still out of their minds with drink or drugs. But when their mates all make sure they can get a couple of hours kip in a locked room while they cover for them then i suppose that makes it ok. To hell with health and safety when there's easy money to be made, right?

All i hear is "Oh the molvanians are so much better than us". ARE THEY BOLL O X. Thats submissive defeatism and its pathetic.

To repeat a famous line Where's your fkn pride?

Thank you, end of rant.

Gummy Panda

Daroxtar wrote: »

Any culchie working on a site would and regularly did in my experience sh1te from a height on them.

Are you trying to say that culchie builders are better then Dublin builders?




/leaves thread with spoon in hand

Daroxtar

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Are you trying to say that culchie builders are better then Dublin builders?




/leaves thread with spoon in hand

Of course we are. We built dublin. If the dubs hadn't kept slowing us down and robbing our tools we'd never have needed foreigners in the first place.

dvpower

Daroxtar wrote: »

Of course we are. We built dublin.

I always suspected that culchies were to blame for the state of the place.

Daroxtar

dvpower wrote: »

I always suspected that culchies were to blame for the state of the place.

We might have built the kip but we're not daft enough to live there

dvpower

@Daroxtar Location: Meath, but from Sligo
Bit of an immigrant yourself by the look of it.?

Terry

dvpower wrote: »

@Daroxtar Location: Meath, but from Sligo
Bit of an immigrant yourself by the look of it.?

Damn Connaught people.
Cromwell should have sent them all to hell.

Daroxtar

dvpower wrote: »

@Daroxtar Location: Meath, but from Sligo
Bit of an immigrant yourself by the look of it.?

Damn Connaught people.
Cromwell should have sent them all to hell.

I'm a native migrant. Not a flag waving colonist who missed the boat home circa 1922.

Agent Smith

Terry wrote: »

Damn Connaught people.
Cromwell should have sent them all to hell.

wait.... whats Connaught then?

ownknee

Daroxtar wrote: »

I'm absolutley sick to death of tripe like that. Put us to shame??
No they would not.They might put you to shame but the vast majority i worked with spent most of their time with a phone in one hand and a fag in the other waiting beside a corner so they could spot the foreman coming and pretend they were doing something. Any culchie working on a site would and regularly did in my experience sh1te from a height on them.

They might shame you in attendance rates, turning up every single day, some still out of their minds with drink or drugs. But when their mates all make sure they can get a couple of hours kip in a locked room while they cover for them then i suppose that makes it ok. To hell with health and safety when there's easy money to be made, right?

All i hear is "Oh the molvanians are so much better than us". ARE THEY
BOLL O X. Thats submissive defeatism and its pathetic.

To repeat a famous line Where's your fkn pride?

Thank you, end of rant.

My pride is very much in tact, thank you for asking. I expressed an opinion, my opinion from my experiences working with nationals & non nationals & what I wrote is not sugar coated for the benefit of my rant, it is indeed true.
While I accept you had a different experience & therefore a different opinion, I don't accept your lack of manners by cursing in YOUR rant. By all means post your opinion but you're only showing your own ignorance by using that kind of language in that context.

Turd Ferguson

Wait...what was this thread about again?

AnonoBoy

dvpower wrote: »

How do you know this s**t?

Because I am the evil genius immigrant! Muuhhhahaahhaaaa!!!

I was just putting it out there dvpower - most likely explanation really.

BaconZombie

BACON...

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Wait...what was this thread about again?

Professey Chin

BOFH_139 wrote: »

BACON...

Mmmmm breakfast roll

Gummy Panda

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

Wait...what was this thread about again?

DINO RIDERS!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpuhLkh358Y

Slidey

Thread needs more cake..

Daroxtar

ownknee wrote: »

My pride is very much in tact, thank you for asking. I expressed an opinion, my opinion from my experiences working with nationals & non nationals & what I wrote is not sugar coated for the benefit of my rant, it is indeed true.
While I accept you had a different experience & therefore a different opinion, I don't accept your lack of manners by cursing in YOUR rant. By all means post your opinion but you're only showing your own ignorance by using that kind of language in that context.

No bother so. If you're happy to be shown up by them then i'm quite happy that you dont accept my choice of language. Thank god you only had to read it. I dread to think of the damage that would have been caused to your ears if you ever heard this kind of horrific language in real life.
Btw, this is the after hours forum. For somewhat more Politically correct forums with more delicate language i suggest looking in the soc.section

Mena

Slightly off-topic, but are you, by law, permitted to open somebody else's mail in Ireland? I know it's a criminal offence in many other countries, including the UK and the States... Anyone know the position here?

shezzie

to the OP

this is a major scam...i work for an post and yes it is very illegal to open anyone elses mail no matter what the reason genuine or not you can get fined and or jailed for it...

i work in social welfare and finacial services section and know this to be a big scam in some cases some people have had to go to the police as they received dozens of these letters. in some cases soc wel and h s e have investigated people with so many claims going to one address.be careful..

my advice would go to your local post office and ask for an MP58 form this is a form for all mail enquiries,include a letter with the names of those involved so far...you dont know what else they could be using your address for..by law we have to deliver every letter sent as we dont know who does or doesnt live at addresses or who does/doesnt want what letters so unless you do something productive you may still get them..

i dont believe every foreign national can be tagged with the scammers tag though from my experience they are the most rude, abusive and physically threatening. yes irish definately have their moments. but there alot of very nice hard working foreign nationals too that should be remembered too.

good luck OH

老大

shezzie wrote: »

to the OP

this is a major scam...i work for an post and yes it is very illegal to open anyone elses mail no matter what the reason genuine or not you can get fined and or jailed for it...

i work in social welfare and finacial services section and know this to be a big scam in some cases some people have had to go to the police as they received dozens of these letters. in some cases soc wel and h s e have investigated people with so many claims going to one address.be careful..

my advice would go to your local post office and ask for an MP58 form this is a form for all mail enquiries,include a letter with the names of those involved so far...you dont know what else they could be using your address for..by law we have to deliver every letter sent as we dont know who does or doesnt live at addresses or who does/doesnt want what letters so unless you do something productive you may still get them..

i dont believe every foreign national can be tagged with the scammers tag though from my experience they are the most rude, abusive and physically threatening. yes irish definately have their moments. but there alot of very nice hard working foreign nationals too that should be remembered too.

good luck OH

Thks Shezz,

didnt get more letters since last one, and the HSE didnt write back to me yet. (although i wouldnt expect them to come back until late this week at the earliest anyway).

Other posters: :P no i dont live at 123 fake st !

El Siglo

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Because I am the evil genius immigrant! Muuhhhahaahhaaaa!!!

"Immigrants, I knew it was them, even when it was the bears I knew it was them!"

ownknee

Daroxtar wrote: »

No bother so. If you're happy to be shown up by them then i'm quite happy that you dont accept my choice of language. Thank god you only had to read it. I dread to think of the damage that would have been caused to your ears if you ever heard this kind of horrific language in real life.
Btw, this is the after hours forum. For somewhat more Politically correct forums with more delicate language i suggest looking in the soc.section

It's not that my ears are sensitive because believe me I use language like that everyday. Look I owe you an apology so I'm sorry.
It's called having a crap week & if a random person on the street made accidental eye contact with me I would probably have ranted at them.
Luckily enough for the random strangers I looked demented enough for them to keep a safe distance.
And in my fit of self pity & anger I didn't bother looking to see what forum I was in, even if I had I probably would have gone off the deep end anyway.
So hopefully no hard feelings & if I sound a bit too uppity in future feel free to let me know.

shezzie

ah big hug ownknee, having one of those weeks myself and its only monday..i know its not the thread but big hugs to you:):)does that make it any better

ownknee

shezzie wrote: »

ah big hug ownknee, having one of those weeks myself and its only monday..i know its not the thread but big hugs to you:):)does that make it any better

Strangely enough it does! After reading some of the other posts on other forums though I feel like a bit of a git for giving out.
Ah well theres always one isn't there.

shezzie

thats what "boards" is for to me - opinions both sides - we all have those days so respect :)another hug for the road:)

Daroxtar

ownknee wrote: »

It's not that my ears are sensitive because believe me I use language like that everyday. Look I owe you an apology so I'm sorry.
It's called having a crap week & if a random person on the street made accidental eye contact with me I would probably have ranted at them.
Luckily enough for the random strangers I looked demented enough for them to keep a safe distance.
And in my fit of self pity & anger I didn't bother looking to see what forum I was in, even if I had I probably would have gone off the deep end anyway.
So hopefully no hard feelings & if I sound a bit too uppity in future feel free to let me know.

No bother at all. I've been guilty of similar offences here in the not to distant past. And wasn't that quick in apologising either. And got my wrists slapped too! Respect to you, and if you do loose the plot about something, shure what harm? Nothin like a good loud roar to ensure calm and quietness follows. Anyway, best get back on topic before powers that be react and infract.

ownknee

shezzie wrote: »

thats what "boards" is for to me - opinions both sides - we all have those days so respect :)another hug for the road:)

Thanks for that & sure have one yourself...
Theres opinions & theres spending too much time on my moral high horse. Anyway we'll stop talking about it before someone cracks up!:p

Capt'n Midnight

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/Customer+Service/cust-howwehelp.htm#wrong_address

If you are receiving mail for someone else, please let us know and we will try and resolve it.

Why is this happening?

* There may have been a previous occupant at the address who has not redirected their mail or changed their address.
* By law we have to deliver the mail to the stated address (not the named person).

Solution: Return the item to us.

* Mark the item ‘Return to sender’ and put it into a Post Box.
* If it is convenient, please help us by putting it through the correct letterbox. If this happens frequently, please let us know and we will try to resolve it.
* You can re-post the item in a Post Box, or give it to your Postperson

Capt'n Midnight

Mena wrote: »

Slightly off-topic, but are you, by law, permitted to open somebody else's mail in Ireland? I know it's a criminal offence in many other countries, including the UK and the States... Anyone know the position here?

Yes it's illegal here

Postal and Telecommunications Services Act, 1983
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1983/en/act/pub/0024/sec0084.html

84.—(1) A person who—
[GA]

( a ) opens or attempts to open a postal packet addressed to another person or delays or detains any such postal packet or does anything to prevent its due delivery or authorises, suffers or permits another person (who is not the person to whom the postal packet is addressed) to do so, or

( b ) discloses the existence or contents of any such postal packet, or

( c ) uses for any purpose any information obtained from any such postal packet, or

( d ) tampers with any such postal packet,

without the agreement of the person to whom the postal packet is addressed shall be guilty of an offence.

ownknee

Daroxtar wrote: »

No bother at all. I've been guilty of similar offences here in the not to distant past. And wasn't that quick in apologising either. And got my wrists slapped too! Respect to you, and if you do loose the plot about something, shure what harm? Nothin like a good loud roar to ensure calm and quietness follows. Anyway, best get back on topic before powers that be react and infract.

Right well thanks for accepting the apology...not many people would be big enough to do that.

Mena

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Yes it's illegal here

Postal and Telecommunications Services Act, 1983
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1983/en/act/pub/0024/sec0084.html

Cheers. I looked for an hour and couldn't find it. I blame.. uhm.. The poor diet the swans have...

Damn gypsies/travelers/polish/knackers/junkies/The-Citizen (delete as applicable)