Chad coverage

Local-womanizer

It seems our lads are getting alot of media attention lately.Good to see aswell.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/refugees-look-for-odea-to-deliver-the-goods-1653737.html

Is this because of the mission change-over,George Clooney,Big Willie and his tash or Dermot Earley predicting danger levels to increase for the soliders as a result of the battles in Sudan?

The Irish Daily Star had a 2 page cover in todays paper.Some good pics in it.

Please God they all stay safe and get home in one piece:)

TomRooney

Local-womanizer wrote: »

It seems our lads are getting alot of media attention lately.Good to see aswell.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/refugees-look-for-odea-to-deliver-the-goods-1653737.html

Is this because of the mission change-over,George Clooney,Big Willie and his tash or Dermot Earley predicting danger levels to increase for the soliders as a result of the battles in Sudan?

The Irish Daily Star had a 2 page cover in todays paper.Some good pics in it.

Please God they all stay safe and get home in one piece:)

its all propaganda to serve the militarys interest, there is no high threat level in chad for irish troops.

minidazzler

TomRooney wrote: »

its all propaganda to serve the militarys interest, there is no high threat level in chad for irish troops.

The whole Idea of a Discussion board, is you put forward and arguement, then BACK IT UP.


What do you base this assessment on?




I am not saying you are right or wrong, but I just want to here your Basis.

Poccington

TomRooney wrote: »

its all propaganda to serve the militarys interest, there is no high threat level in chad for irish troops.

Any basis for such a statement? I'd hate to think you're talking ****e.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Lads, don't feed the clown guy (troll).

Local-womanizer

Back to civilised chat:D

Media hype or not, its good to see them in the publics eye.Sometimes you would think we dident have an Army serving abroad.In the Indo the other day it mentioned how the rebels are part backed by the chinese,wonder if there is any truth behind that?

Apparenty the fighting is going to spill over from Sudan into the Irish controlled areas.Dermot Earley said the Irish wont stand by and let the refugees be harrassed.

Whats the difference between a EU led mission and a UN led one,apart from the finacial point of veiw?

neilled

Mairt wrote: »

Lads, don't feed the clown guy (troll).

Exactly.

Lads, feeding times over, put the trough away!

neilled

Local-womanizer wrote: »

Back to civilised chat:D

Media hype or not, its good to see them in the publics eye.Sometimes you would think we dident have an Army serving abroad.In the Indo the other day it mentioned how the rebels are part backed by the chinese,wonder if there is any truth behind that?

Apparenty the fighting is going to spill over from Sudan into the Irish controlled areas.Dermot Earley said the Irish wont stand by and let the refugees be harrassed.

Whats the difference between a EU led mission and a UN led one,apart from the finacial point of veiw?

Mandate and ROE would have to go through more political hoops before being implemented.

BigDuffman

By propaganda, maybe the above troll might implying that the DF is being pushed more into the public eye so people see them in a positive manner and actually doing something. By this I mean the average joe soap thinking "sure all they do is sit in their cushty barracks getting free meals and being paid by our tax money, they dont even fight any wars, why do we need them etc. etc."

Whereas when they are made more aware of the actual good work done by the PDF they mightn't be so quick to lash out.

And besides it makes a nice change from the female officer fool whinging!

Poccington

Free meals? Jesus I think I'm working in the wrong barracks if there's free meals on the go in other barracks!

There was a 2 page spread in the Sun about the lads as well. They were talking to locals, with some of the locals saying the never want the lads to leave because there presence has changed their lives.

minidazzler

Poccington wrote: »

Free meals? Jesus I think I'm working in the wrong barracks if there's free meals on the go in other barracks!

There was a 2 page spread in the Sun about the lads as well. They were talking to locals, with some of the locals saying the never want the lads to leave because there presence has changed their lives.

*Yuck, spit, argh, eww* I hate that "Newspaper". The Scum!!! In fact all redtops are ****e!!!

Poccington

minidazzler wrote: »

*Yuck, spit, argh, eww* I hate that "Newspaper". The Scum!!! In fact all redtops are ****e!!!

Reading Dear Deidre while on your lunch is quite enjoyable! Plus, any paper that supports the lads is ok in my book... Oddly enough, they had another page about the lads in Chad today.

Anyway, I buy the Sun and the Irish Times... One for nonsense, one for news

minidazzler

Poccington wrote: »

Reading Dear Deidre while on your lunch is quite enjoyable! Plus, any paper that supports the lads is ok in my book... Oddly enough, they had another page about the lads in Chad today.

Anyway, I buy the Sun and the Irish Times... One for nonsense, one for news

Michael O Toole has a piece in Todays sun as well, (he posted it on a different site I use) Read the bit about Reservist's going to Kosovo, there is an interview with the COS, and now a Platoon has 10 people:D:D!!!! he is a good enough Journo though, for a Ginger!!!

TomRooney

minidazzler wrote: »

The whole Idea of a Discussion board, is you put forward and arguement, then BACK IT UP.


What do you base this assessment on?




I am not saying you are right or wrong, but I just want to here your Basis.

my basis for this is the fact i have served in the defence forces and have been overseas with them, and i still have many friends still there, i know personaly 4 people who were on the last trip they said it was handy, i know 5 blokes on the trip just gone out and they have told me its handy also they said it was safer and easier than Liberia.

so that is what i base my opinions on what do you lot base your on....reading the star newspaper...?

TomRooney

Mairt wrote: »

Lads, don't feed the clown guy (troll).

and your supposed to be a moderator, very mature post there mairt.

the defence forces will never be sent to a truly hostile area such as iraq or afghanistan it is not in there remit.

so dont be trying to put across false impressions about the force.
i have served in the defence forces long enough to know as much as anyone does, i have been overseas and done courses galore.

that is not to say the basic training of the defence forces is not as good as any army internationaly, it is and its better than most, but the most hostile of all operations the defence forces have been in is the congo 50 odd years ago followed closely by the Leb. both

TomRooney

Mairt wrote: »

Lads, don't feed the clown guy (troll).

and your supposed to be a moderator, very mature post there mairt.

the defence forces will never be sent to a truly hostile area such as iraq or afghanistan it is not in there remit.

so dont be trying to put across false impressions about the force.
i have served in the defence forces long enough to know as much as anyone does, i have been overseas and done courses galore.

that is not to say the basic training of the defence forces is not as good as any army internationaly, it is and its better than most, but the most hostile of all operations the defence forces have been in is the congo 50 odd years ago followed closely by the Leb.

TomRooney

Mairt wrote: »

Lads, don't feed the clown guy (troll).

and your supposed to be a moderator, very mature post there mairt.

the defence forces will never be sent to a truly hostile area such as iraq or afghanistan it is not in there remit.

so dont be trying to put across false impressions about the force.
i have served in the defence forces long enough to know as much as anyone does, i have been overseas and done courses galore.

that is not to say the basic training of the defence forces is not as good as any army internationaly, it is and its better than most, but the most hostile of all operations the defence forces have been in is the congo 50 odd years ago followed closely by the Leb. both of which are

minidazzler

TomRooney wrote: »

my basis for this is the fact i have served in the defence forces and have been overseas with them, and i still have many friends still there, i know personaly 4 people who were on the last trip they said it was handy, i know 5 blokes on the trip just gone out and they have told me its handy also they said it was safer and easier than Liberia.

so that is what i base my opinions on what do you lot base your on....reading the star newspaper...?

Did I give an opinion on the Chad mission? I don't read newspaper's, especially Red-tops.

Thank you for supplying your reasoning, that is all I wanted, I still am not going to agree or disagree, because I don't know, I am not there, and while I know people there, I won't be talking to them until they get back. So thank you for your insight.

TomRooney

BigDuffman wrote: »

By propaganda, maybe the above troll might implying that the DF is being pushed more into the public eye so people see them in a positive manner and actually doing something. By this I mean the average joe soap thinking "sure all they do is sit in their cushty barracks getting free meals and being paid by our tax money, they dont even fight any wars, why do we need them etc. etc."

Whereas when they are made more aware of the actual good work done by the PDF they mightn't be so quick to lash out.

And besides it makes a nice change from the female officer fool whinging!

Duffman me oul shegosha

have you ever heard the saying dont teach your granny how to suck eggs..? it applies here, there is nothing you or anyone else on this forum could tell me about the PDF, i have been there done that and done it again.

there is no need for 10,000 full time troops in ireland, the vast majority of which spend there days sweeping roads that are already clean, or picking up cig buts, or mopping floors that dont need to be mopped. or sitting in a gaurdroom looking at sky movies, or maybe an hour or two marching around the sqaure like recruits just coz theres nothin better to do, or my old favourite hiding in there living in rooms, or locker rooms wasting time untill they can shoot off home. not to mention the half hour break they get from 10 to half 10 then there 1 hour 45 min break from 12 untill 1:45.

besides over seas trips which account for about 500 each trip,
and <SNIPPED - NO MENTION OF OPERATIONAL MATTER HERE - NEXT TIME YOU'LL BE BANNED> what do the defence forces do....nothing

a full time force of maybe 4000 would suffice with the remainder as part time troops like in sweden, that would be more than adeqaute.


not to mention the biggest drains on the defence forces, the officers, who are mostly incompetent fools who only got in coz there daddy was a colonel, who spend 4 years in college courtesy of the tax payer only to retire after 9 years with a pension while they go off to work in a bank or such with the degree the tax payer paid for.

Local-womanizer

Poccington wrote: »

Reading Dear Deidre while on your lunch is quite enjoyable! Plus, any paper that supports the lads is ok in my book... Oddly enough, they had another page about the lads in Chad today.

Anyway, I buy the Sun and the Irish Times... One for nonsense, one for news

Good auld Deride,got me through many of lifes problems!

I read the Sun in college,1 because its only 50 cent,and 2 its a bit of light entertainment.I usually read the Indo after to get the true story.

Tom Rooney,in the paper it said the situation has potential to get much worse.And where the Irish are operating would be in the direct firing line of the troubles in Sudan etc.No one said it was extremly dangerous over there.

iceage

you know what.....I had a massive post asking Tom to cheer the fcuk up, then I lost it cos I hit the Esc button!!!!!!!:mad:

So heres the shortened version...

Cheer the fcuk up Tom! So...obviously a senior NCO, having a pop at those under you, and moaning about those above you.:D

I haven't served in your PDF so tell me to sod off if you like but there are guys in here who have done, who will do, and those who hope to.

Please do share with them and us your experience and wealth of knowledge I'm honestly asking you to, I'm NOT taking the piss. As you said "was there, done it, and stole the T shirt" make yourself feel a bit better by doing what you were trained to do, pass it on.

minidazzler

iceage wrote: »

you know what.....I had a massive post asking Tom to cheer the fcuk up, then I lost it cos I hit the Esc button!!!!!!!:mad:

So heres the shortened version...

Cheer the fcuk up Tom! So...obviously a senior NCO, having a pop at those under you, and moaning about those above you.:D

I haven't served in your PDF so tell me to sod off if you like but there are guys in here who have done, who will do, and those who hope to.

Please do share with them and us your experience and wealth of knowledge I'm honestly asking you to, I'm NOT taking the piss. As you said "was there, done it, and stole the T shirt" make yourself feel a bit better by doing what you were trained to do, pass it on.

haha, you could have just pressed Ctrl + Z. That usually gets it back!!!

Irish_Army01

TomRooney wrote: »

Duffman me oul shegosha

have you ever heard the saying dont teach your granny how to suck eggs..? it applies here, there is nothing you or anyone else on this forum could tell me about the PDF, i have been there done that and done it again.

there is no need for 10,000 full time troops in ireland, the vast majority of which spend there days sweeping roads that are already clean, or picking up cig buts, or mopping floors that dont need to be mopped. or sitting in a gaurdroom looking at sky movies, or maybe an hour or two marching around the sqaure like recruits just coz theres nothin better to do, or my old favourite hiding in there living in rooms, or locker rooms wasting time untill they can shoot off home. not to mention the half hour break they get from 10 to half 10 then there 1 hour 45 min break from 12 untill 1:45.

besides over seas trips which account for about 500 each trip,
and <SNIPPED - NO MENTION OF OPERATIONAL MATTER HERE - NEXT TIME YOU'LL BE BANNED> what do the defence forces do....nothing

a full time force of maybe 4000 would suffice with the remainder as part time troops like in sweden, that would be more than adeqaute.


not to mention the biggest drains on the defence forces, the officers, who are mostly incompetent fools who only got in coz there daddy was a colonel, who spend 4 years in college courtesy of the tax payer only to retire after 9 years with a pension while they go off to work in a bank or such with the degree the tax payer paid for.

We do have Troops in Afghanistan..Not much but they are there...As for Chad, It is a tough Deployment..I haven't been yet but I'm volunteering for the next rotation.

Chad is a spark waiting to ignite and Our Guys are on the Front line should if and when it does. The conditions alone make it a hard deployment. I have Mates there now and Know Sgts from the ARW who were first out there told me it was tough..but I guess you know better..:rolleyes:

TomRooney

Irish_Army01 wrote: »

We do have Troops in Afghanistan..Not much but they are there...As for Chad, It is a tough Deployment..I haven't been yet but I'm volunteering for the next rotation.

Chad is a spark waiting to ignite and Our Guys are on the Front line should if and when it does. The conditions alone make it a hard deployment. I have Mates there now and Know Sgts from the ARW who were first out there told me it was tough..but I guess you know better..:rolleyes:

well i have been overseas to Liberia and have been on recce missions into sierra leone with the UN, i also have close friends of mine, of the highest military character namely combat medics, snipers, UAV operators and NCO`s all telling me it is an easier trip than Liberia.

maybe you would find it tough being away from your mammy.

as for irish troops being in afghanistan it is only in an administrative role (paper work) miles and miles away from the contact zone and there is only 3 or 4 there, so it is not a good example at all in fact it proves my point all the more.

twinytwo

TomRooney wrote: »

my basis for this is the fact i have served in the defence forces and have been overseas with them, and i still have many friends still there, i know personaly 4 people who were on the last trip they said it was handy, i know 5 blokes on the trip just gone out and they have told me its handy also they said it was safer and easier than Liberia.

so that is what i base my opinions on what do you lot base your on....reading the star newspaper...?

And i personally know where osama bin laiden is:rolleyes:

TomRooney

twinytwo wrote: »

And i personally know where osama bin laiden is:rolleyes:

and your point is...? are you trying to say your a member of Al Quieda...?

twinytwo

TomRooney wrote: »

and your point is...? are you trying to say your a member of Al Quieda...?

My point is you can say all the stuff you want on the internet that dosent make it true without proof

lazybhoy

twinytwo wrote: »

My point is you can say all the stuff you want on the internet that dosent make it true without proof

Dont you know Mr Rooney is a local bar stool black ops legend who went through PDF basic twice but on another thread got its length wrong.

Back on topic, the Star is a sensationalised read, has anyone read articles on this in the Irish times etc ?

Lets hope things dont get worse.

neilled

lazybhoy wrote: »

Dont you know Mr Rooney is a local bar stool black ops legend who went through PDF basic twice but on another thread got its length wrong.

Back on topic, the Star is a sensationalised read, has anyone read articles on this in the Irish times etc ?

Lets hope things dont get worse.

And what was a supporter of Republican Sinn Fein doing with the Free Staters anyway?

Irish_Army01

TomRooney wrote: »

well i have been overseas to Liberia and have been on recce missions into sierra leone with the UN, i also have close friends of mine, of the highest military character namely combat medics, snipers, UAV operators and NCO`s all telling me it is an easier trip than Liberia.

maybe you would find it tough being away from your mammy.

as for irish troops being in afghanistan it is only in an administrative role (paper work) miles and miles away from the contact zone and there is only 3 or 4 there, so it is not a good example at all in fact it proves my point all the more.

I'll tell ya the first time I was away from my Mammy..And there not doing Admin..As this picture quite clearly Shows and this one. Both of them Pictures taken in Afghanistan and at the scenes of suicide attacks in Kabul. But you know better:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Poccington

TomRooney wrote: »

well i have been overseas to Liberia and have been on recce missions into sierra leone with the UN, i also have close friends of mine, of the highest military character namely combat medics, snipers, UAV operators and NCO`s all telling me it is an easier trip than Liberia.

maybe you would find it tough being away from your mammy.

as for irish troops being in afghanistan it is only in an administrative role (paper work) miles and miles away from the contact zone and there is only 3 or 4 there, so it is not a good example at all in fact it proves my point all the more.

Oddly enough I was told by the Troop Sergeant of the Recce Troop that went over on the first trip to Chad that it was an absolute crease job of a trip. But of course, what would he know?

As for the lads not being near anything in A'Stan, the 2nd picture IA posted up was taken at the site of a suicide bombing.... Not bad for lads who are only doing paperwork.

And finally, please stop acting like you're the only one who's done a bit of soldiering it get's quite tiring.

Local-womanizer

Irish_Army01 wrote: »

I'll tell ya the first time I was away from my Mammy..And there not doing Admin..As this picture quite clearly Shows and this one. Both of them Pictures taken in Afghanistan and at the scenes of suicide attacks in Kabul. But you know better:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Nice pics Irish Army!I dident know they where out and about in A-stan.

Irish_Army01

Poccington wrote: »

As for the lads not being near anything in A'Stan, the 2nd picture IA posted up was taken at the site of a suicide bombing.... Not bad for lads who are only doing paperwork.

And finally, please stop acting like you're the only one who's done a bit of soldiering it get's quite tiring.

Actually it was both Picture on two different occasions;)

TomRooney

Poccington wrote: »

Oddly enough I was told by the Troop Sergeant of the Recce Troop that went over on the first trip to Chad that it was an absolute crease job of a trip. But of course, what would he know?

As for the lads not being near anything in A'Stan, the 2nd picture IA posted up was taken at the site of a suicide bombing.... Not bad for lads who are only doing paperwork.

And finally, please stop acting like you're the only one who's done a bit of soldiering it get's quite tiring.

look dont even pretend for a second that irish troops are actualy actively patrolling or doing anything other than paper work in afghanistan, because to do so would just make a laughing stock of you for making such a claim.

TomRooney

lazybhoy wrote: »

Dont you know Mr Rooney is a local bar stool black ops legend who went through PDF basic twice but on another thread got its length wrong.

Back on topic, the Star is a sensationalised read, has anyone read articles on this in the Irish times etc ?

Lets hope things dont get worse.

i never got the training period of the PDF wrong, it is you who has a problem with comprehension obviously, i said traing for the PDF is 6 months long, 16 weeks recruit and 8 weeks 3 star training, only after this 6 month period are considered a fully trained soldier. as for bar stools i tend to avoid them,

i suggest you avoid letting the other kind of Stool come from your mouth.
with your sarcastic jibes, it only serves to highlight your inner lack of security of oneself.

TomRooney

neilled wrote: »

And what was a supporter of Republican Sinn Fein doing with the Free Staters anyway?

i believe in the right of the irish people to ownership of all there land that being 32 countys.
so where is the conflict with joining the IRISH army with such views, did collins not hold the same view, or cathal brugha...?

believe me Fianna Fail are far more wicked and far more lacking in moral integrity than Republican Sinn Fein will ever be, yet you are blissfully ignorant to that,
you are a sheep, you follow the herd or what the sheep master leads you to believe. reality runs far deeper than most of us realise or ever see.

minidazzler

TomRooney wrote: »

i believe in the right of the irish people to ownership of all there land that being 32 countys.
so where is the conflict with joining the IRISH army with such views, did collins not hold the same view, or cathal brugha...?

believe me Fianna Fail are far more wicked and far more lacking in moral integrity than Republican Sinn Fein will ever be, yet you are blissfully ignorant to that,
you are a sheep, you follow the herd or what the sheep master leads you to believe. reality runs far deeper than most of us realise or ever see.

I refuse to believe you on the basis of Sinn Fein helping out the IRA alot in the more recent past than the British Occupation of the entire Island of Ireland.

Also, This is not a political forum, why are we talking so much politics? It's quite annoying. Especially when this isn't even near the thread topic.(sorry, not back seat modding, just pointing out the obvious!!!)

And Finally, TomRooney, just for ease of reading in posts, see the quote button, next to that is a Multi quote button, click that on every post you want to quote, then the Quote button on the Last post you want to Quote, it will put it all into one Post, rather than multiple posts.

Irish_Army01

TomRooney wrote: »

look dont even pretend for a second that irish troops are actualy actively patrolling or doing anything other than paper work in afghanistan, because to do so would just make a laughing stock of you for making such a claim.

Your right and the two photos I posted are obviously wrong:rolleyes:

twinytwo

TomRooney wrote: »

look dont even pretend for a second that irish troops are actualy actively patrolling or doing anything other than paper work in afghanistan, because to do so would just make a laughing stock of you for making such a claim.

MAybe we should pretend that you are actually not a troll... would that make you happy??:rolleyes:

minidazzler

Irish_Army01 wrote: »

Your right and the two photos I posted are obviously wrong:rolleyes:

You are quite obviously a trying to decieve us with Photoshop, on behalf of the DF. I mean if he can't see that!!:rolleyes:

OS119

sadly this bloke is correct - the Irish Army staff in Kabul are not called upon to do any kind of 'soldiering' as part of their duties. of course - as proven by the images - that doesn't mean they don't go 'out and about' in Kabul, and being 'out and about' in Kabul isn't the safest and most stress-free way to spend an afternoon, but the harsh (?) truth is that no, Irish troops don't hammer out of ISAF HQ as the QRF whenever something goes badly wrong.

that doesn't mean they don't do valuable work, but i'm afraid the current deployment in A'stan is not any kind of serious, hard deployment that will in any way alter what the Irish Army 'is'.

Local-womanizer

OS119 wrote: »

sadly this bloke is correct - the Irish Army staff in Kabul are not called upon to do any kind of 'soldiering' as part of their duties. of course - as proven by the images - that doesn't mean they don't go 'out and about' in Kabul, and being 'out and about' in Kabul isn't the safest and most stress-free way to spend an afternoon, but the harsh (?) truth is that no, Irish troops don't hammer out of ISAF HQ as the QRF whenever something goes badly wrong.

that doesn't mean they don't do valuable work, but i'm afraid the current deployment in A'stan is not any kind of serious, hard deployment that will in any way alter what the Irish Army 'is'.

But nobody here said they where out as a QRF.TomRooney had said all they where doing was paperwork.We are not talking them up in what they are doing but are recognising that they are not just fighting a war with a pencil;)

TomRooney

Irish_Army01 wrote: »

Your right and the two photos I posted are obviously wrong:rolleyes:

look kid, i dont care what you post, i have served in the PDF there is nothing you can teach me about it ok, you come across as a bagger of the worst kind. desperately trying to give the impression you have done soldiering, when most likely the only soldiering you have done was on your X box.

TomRooney

Local-womanizer wrote: »

But nobody here said they where out as a QRF.TomRooney had said all they where doing was paperwork.We are not talking them up in what they are doing but are recognising that they are not just fighting a war with a pencil;)

look you troll, you obviously havent got an iota as to what happens in the irish army, i have been there, can you say the same, what have you done in the PDF to qaulify you to tell a PDF veteran what does and doesnt happen there....?

Local-womanizer

TomRooney wrote: »

look you troll, you obviously havent got an iota as to what happens in the irish army, i have been there, can you say the same, what have you done in the PDF to qaulify you to tell a PDF veteran what does and doesnt happen there....?

You are in the PDF?I woulde never have guessed:rolleyes:

Yes,I was going around here telling everybody about what the army does:rolleyes:

I am so sorry veteran,I should show more respect to your humble and modest character:rolleyes:

Leadership

This fella does not look like a pen pusher (no offence but the first photo looks like one), he looks like he could take Clint Eastwood with his arms tied behind his back!

Seriously though he is with an ATO and not many pen pushers hang around with them.

arybvtcw0eolkf

OS119 wrote: »

sadly this bloke is correct - the Irish Army staff in Kabul are not called upon to do any kind of 'soldiering' as part of their duties. of course - as proven by the images - that doesn't mean they don't go 'out and about' in Kabul, and being 'out and about' in Kabul isn't the safest and most stress-free way to spend an afternoon, but the harsh (?) truth is that no, Irish troops don't hammer out of ISAF HQ as the QRF whenever something goes badly wrong.

that doesn't mean they don't do valuable work, but i'm afraid the current deployment in A'stan is not any kind of serious, hard deployment that will in any way alter what the Irish Army 'is'.

And thats about the truth of it.

I'm locking the thread.

TomRooney, stop insulting members and being a general pain in the butt here. So you've done A BIT of soldiering and ONE oversea's mission, it doesn't qualify you to come here acting the old sweat.

Lads, if anyone has a problem with something posted in the forum report the post or better still PM me as I can't check reported posts every day.

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