Cork Hurling strike...outcome?

estalluvia

Now that we have discussed the strike what do you guys think the outcome will be? Who will get their way?

omerin

who cares?

delta_bravo

I dont give a damn anymore and I would say that is the general consensus.

SomeFool

Don't care, I think too much coverage has been devoted to the whole thing by the media too, particularly the Examiner.

vinylbomb

Who gives a monkeys.

Jesus wept, this annoys me. The world is in f*cking bits and those clowns have the balls to be sh*teing on about crap like that.

Orizio

And tell me again - why exactly do people like the above posters bitch on about something that they say they have no interest in? Surely if you don't care about it, it should be all too easy too, you know, ignore it. Heres a novel idea - don't read articles about it, don't watch the TV reports about it, and don't reply pointlessly on forum threads on the net about it...

The CCB will stick to the rulebook, both panels will go and continue on strike, the clubs will lose momentum and their will be two **** 'development squads' representing Cork GAA in football and hurling this year, and probably next year as well. If their miracously manages to be a vote on both the Cloyne motion and on Ger's position then enough senior/intermediate clubs and the CCB/executive will vote against to defeat the moitons, and all because the junior clubs don't have a say, and because the whole process is undemocratic.

spillcoe

It's very hard to see what the outcome will be, even at this stage when things really seem to be coming to a head.

I believe that the next step will be the majority of the clubs holding EGM's and voting to support the players as well as to support some kind of change in the organisational structure/voting procedures of the county board. Unfortunately this will be a very slow process to ensure that all the regulations are adhered to (wouldn't want to give Frank any rule breaking sticks to beat people with).

What will happen after that is anyone's guess and far beyond my psychic powers!

Daysha

I think this is more apt at this stage

eroo

Orizio wrote: »

The CCB will stick to the rulebook, both panels will go and continue on strike, the clubs will lose momentum and their will be two **** 'development squads' representing Cork GAA in football and hurling this year, and probably next year as well.

Nice to see you lending your support. At least they are bothering to play.

Orizio

eroo wrote: »

Nice to see you lending your support. At least they are bothering to play.

They are giving the CBB an out, if every player in this county refused to play then Gerald and CCB would be properly and justly ****ed. There is no honour or morality in playing under an incompetent and undemocratic CCB and a proud insulting manager.

taidghbaby

if the 08 panel come back now what do the lads playing now do............just fcuk off i suppose!

Daysha

taidghbaby wrote: »

if the 08 panel come back now what do the lads playing now do............just fcuk off i suppose!

Pretty much, but I'm sure they would've been aware of that when they first decided to join the panel

premierstone

Orizio wrote: »

There is no honour or morality in playing under an incompetent and undemocratic CCB and a proud insulting manager.

So by your logic (and i dont agree for a second but meh) the 2008 panel have no honour or morality either as they played under the said management and board

hawkwing

The celebrations and smiles after the Galway game last year seem light years away now.Hard to believe Gerald and the CCB were involved then

premierstone

hawkwing wrote: »

The celebrations and smiles after the Galway game last year seem light years away now.Hard to believe Gerald and the CCB were involved then

But dont you get it Hawk when they win its down to this ''magnificent group of dedicated players'' but when they loose its all down to the ''incompetent Gerald and corrupt county board''

I personally nominate Royston Keane as the new manager and Stephen Ireland as a selector, so everyone would have common ground and all that

Orizio

premierstone wrote: »

So by your logic (and i dont agree for a second but meh) the 2008 panel have no honour or morality either as they played under the said management and board

What the hell are you talking about? Where their clubs revolting and 10,000 people marching this time last year? Was Gerald McCarthy insulting protestors by suggesting they were out shopping, and tearing apart Cork GAA by taking over a job over players that didn't want him? Was the CCB expressly ignoring the democratic will of the counties finest players, the clubs and the people of Cork?

Your logic is bull****, and ignores the fact that the situation now, with it clear that the clubs and people are agianst Ger McCarthy and the CCB, is much more serious then it was before. And aren't you supposed to be bored by all of this? You don't care right? So why waste your time and mine by replying?

Orizio

premierstone wrote: »

But dont you get it Hawk when they win its down to this ''magnificent group of dedicated players'' but when they loose its all down to the ''incompetent Gerald and corrupt county board''

I personally nominate Royston Keane as the new manager and Stephen Ireland as a selector, so everyone would have common ground and all that

So you disagree that the CCB isn't corrupt, undemocratic and incompetent? Pairc ui Chaiomh is an embarassing dump, we don't have a decent youth development policy, half the clubs are completely disenfranchised, three strikes over the past decade and Croke Park is trying to babysit the CCB/executive? Your telling me these aren't the signs of an incompetent adminstration? But of course, your more interested in making narky cheap remarks then debating the points in hand, how silly of me...;)

All I hear from people outside the county is that (A) they find the situation bores them and then (B) just to completely contradict themselves they invariably make some uninformed remarks about the whole situation that side with the CCB and against everyone else. Basically it comes to, **** the people of Cork and thier opinions, **** the clubs, **** their finest players and **** democracy - isn't that basically your stance Preimerstone?

premierstone

Orizio wrote: »

So you disagree that the CCB isn't corrupt, undemocratic and incompetent? Yes I do disagree, firstly how is it corrupt are you telling me they are hoarding cash or something like that? And the process is democratic not their fault if club delegates are not voting as instructed by their clubs as you claim and they sure as hell are not incompetent , lets not beat around the bush here we all know everytime you refer to the CCB you really mean Frank Murphy and whatever he is he sure as hell isnt imcompetentt and is one of the most capable administators in the country.

Pairc ui Chaiomh is an embarassing dump Nowlan park is harldly a modern stadium doesnt seem to be an issue in KK

we don't have a decent youth development policy, half the clubs are completely disenfranchised, three strikes over the past decade and Croke Park is trying to babysit the CCB/executive? You see Croke Park oversees all of the GAA thats generally how a democracy works they gave Cork time to sort things out nothing was happening so they attempted to intervene.

Your telling me these aren't the signs of an incompetent adminstration? But of course, your more interested in making narky cheap remarks then debating the points in hand, how silly of me...;) Sorry I forgot how delicate and sensitive ye can be on leeside its a sign that the administration and the players cannot come to agreement i fail to see how you come to the conclusion that Croke park getting involved reflects badly on the CCB, btw why is the GPA not getting involved???

All I hear from people outside the county is that (A) they find the situation bores them and then (B) just to completely contradict themselves they invariably make some uninformed remarks about the whole situation that side with the CCB and against everyone else. Basically it comes to, **** the people of Cork and thier opinions, **** the clubs, **** their finest players and **** democracy - isn't that basically your stance Preimerstone?

So anyone that sides with Ger or the county board is uninformed and from outside of the county and anyone who thinks the players are right are on th ball, nice to see your remaining completely objective in all of this, personally as i have made well known here I think what the players have done is inexcusable, but i also accept that the CCB have made serious errors aswell and as for Ger I think he has allowed himself to be used as bait between both sides and I actually feel sorry for him, but what really has annoyed me most about this is the attitude of some yourself included Orizio towards the current Cork squad who IMO are the innocent victims in all of this all they want to do is hurl for their county ffs.

Daysha

Orizio wrote: »

What the hell are you talking about? Where their clubs revolting and 10,000 people marching this time last year? Was Gerald McCarthy insulting protestors by suggesting they were out shopping, and tearing apart Cork GAA by taking over a job over players that didn't want him? Was the CCB expressly ignoring the democratic will of the counties finest players, the clubs and the people of Cork?

Your logic is bull****, and ignores the fact that the situation now, with it clear that the clubs and people are agianst Ger McCarthy and the CCB, is much more serious then it was before. And aren't you supposed to be bored by all of this? You don't care right? So why waste your time and mine by replying?

Ah come on Ori, give him a break. He's only reading it like he (and myself) saw it.

There is no honour or morality in playing under an incompetent and undemocratic CCB and a proud insulting manager.

If it's well known in Cork that the CCB has been incompetent and undemocratic for years, then that quote is a direct insult by you towards the 2008 panel and those who've played under Gerald McCarthy in the past.

I've got a feeling that's not what you meant, but you could've phrased it a bit better.

Daysha

And to follow up on what premier said, any mention of Pairc ui Chaoimh as a case against the CCB is completely void. There are tons of counties and fans that would kill to have a stadium anywhere near the size or comfort as yours.

Orizio

premierstone wrote: »

So anyone that sides with Ger or the county board is uninformed and from outside of the county and anyone who thinks the players are right are on th ball, nice to see your remaining completely objective in all of this, personally as i have made well known here I think what the players have done is inexcusable, but i also accept that the CCB have made serious errors aswell and as for Ger I think he has allowed himself to be used as bait between both sides and I actually feel sorry for him, but what really has annoyed me most about this is the attitude of some yourself included Orizio towards the current Cork squad who IMO are the innocent victims in all of this all they want to do is hurl for their county ffs.

Regarding the current squad, they are not 'innocent victims' (you swear they are children), they are as I said giving a corrupt and undemocratic CCB a way out. This is blatantly clear. They should have said no like dozens upon dozens of others did, but instead are complicit in tearing apart Cork GAA, all for a manager who insults Cork people (which you ignore) and for a Cork adminstration that disenfranchises have of its clubs and is far too powerful (which again you ignore). We all want to play for our counties, but we should never do so if it means damaging the greater good of our counties GAA.

Yes I do disagree, firstly how is it corrupt are you telling me they are hoarding cash or something like that? And the process is democratic not their fault if club delegates are not voting as instructed by their clubs as you claim and they sure as hell are not incompetent , lets not beat around the bush here we all know everytime you refer to the CCB you really mean Frank Murphy and whatever he is he sure as hell isnt imcompetentt and is one of the most capable administators in the country

Your understanding of corruption leaves much to be desired, they are corrupt in the sense that they favour certain clubs with matches, transfers etc if and only if these club delegates vote a certain way. Its well known they do this in Cork, and an effective way of keeping delegates in check.

Clearly it is their fault, for one they preside over the wholly undemocratic system, and secondly when clubs did try to reform the system through the Cloyne Motion (to ensure the delegates get a chance to talk to the grassroots before important votes, which didn't happen with the second vote of no confidence, as delegates weren't informed about the vote before the meeting) the CCB refused to let a vote on it. And how democratic were the CCB when they refused to let the clubs vote on Rule 42 a few years back? What was your opinion of the CCB when they did their best to make the GAA into a national lauging stock?

Also, if the CCB/executive, Frank Murphy included, were competent we wouldn't be having this debate, and we wouldn't have had three strikes in ten years, we wouldn't have clubs revolting, and we wouldn't have Croke Park trying to set up committees to babysit the CCB and basically telling them to their face that they are ****ing incompetent and undemocratic, and that HQ is sick of it. There is a reason that dinosaur and national embarassment Bob Honohan wanted to throw the Croke Park document out the window, because he knows its a damning critique of CCB 'competency'. Competency suggests a smooth running of things - Cork GAA is right now a ****ing mess, and has been for years.

Nowlan park is harldly a modern stadium doesnt seem to be an issue in KK

Promises were made to improve Pairc ui Chaiomh, and yet lo and behold its still a hideous dump. Cork is one of the most decorated and important counties in GAA, and the stadium that repesents us a ****hole of true embarassment.

You see Croke Park oversees all of the GAA thats generally how a democracy works they gave Cork time to sort things out nothing was happening so they attempted to intervene.

What the hell is that nonsense? And how is the process in Cork 'democratic' when half the clubs have no votes? You keeping skipping over that point, and I'm going to keep asking until you answer.

Frankly PS, you remind of one of those people completely clueless of Cork GAA who still want to have a say simply because you seem to have personal issues with the 08 squad. Like most of this forum unfortuantely.

Orizio

deise59 wrote: »

And to follow up on what premier said, any mention of Pairc ui Chaoimh as a case against the CCB is completely void. There are tons of counties and fans that would kill to have a stadium anywhere near the size or comfort as yours.

They promised to improve it years ago, and they haven't. The fact that the stadium is bigger then others is irrelevent, we are after all one of the biggest GAA counties in the country, it should be. That doesn't excuse it being a dump unworthy of Cork GAA.

premierstone

Orizio wrote: »

Frankly PS, you remind of one of those people completely clueless of Cork GAA who still want to have a say simply because you seem to have personal issues with the 08 squad. Like most of this forum unfortuantely.

TBH i couldnt be bothered going through every single point because you've completely made your mind up and fair play to you your entitled to as you say it will affect you more than people outside the county but LMFAO at accusing me and ''most of this forum'' of having personal issues with the players have you ever heard the phrase ''people in glass houses''

premierstone

Orizio wrote: »

They promised to improve it years ago, and they haven't. The fact that the stadium is bigger then others is irrelevent, we are after all one of the biggest GAA counties in the country, it should be. That doesn't excuse it being a dump unworthy of Cork GAA.

In what sense?


No youth development.
Hurling team destined for Christy Ring
Football team havent won an AI since god knows when
Stadium is a sh*thole
CCB is corrupt and incompetent
Cork GAA is undemocratic
Clubs are divided.

:eek::eek:

Daysha

Orizio wrote: »

They promised to improve it years ago, and they haven't. The fact that the stadium is bigger then others is irrelevent, we are after all one of the biggest GAA counties in the country, it should be. That doesn't excuse it being a dump unworthy of Cork GAA.

:eek: My god man the plans were announced barely 15 months ago!!

Croke Park? Renovations first announced in the early 80's. 1992 before building began.

Lansdowne Road? Renovations first announced in the mid 90's. 2007 before building began.

Wembley? Renovations first announced in June 2000. Building begins in 2003.

My point is, these things takes serious time. So don't go blaming the CCB for every little bad thing just because you guys can't start stadium renovations 5x times faster than anybody else.

Orizio

In what sense?


No youth development.
Hurling team destined for Christy Ring
Football team havent won an AI since god knows when
Stadium is a sh*thole
CCB is corrupt and incompetent
Cork GAA is undemocratic
Clubs are divided.

In the sense of the amount of trophies, clubs and players we have.

You knew exaclty what I meant. Pathetic reply. Shall I just take it as an admittance that you don't know what you are talking about?

spillcoe

In every sense.

Player numbers, number of clubs, number of titles won. Do I need to go on?

Is there any chance we could stick to the topic? There are plenty other topics debating who is right and who is wrong. This is supposed to be discussing what happens next.........

Orizio

deise59 wrote: »

:eek: My god man the plans were announced barely 15 months ago!!

Croke Park? Renovations first announced in the early 80's. 1992 before building began.

Lansdowne Road? Renovations first announced in the mid 90's. 2007 before building began.

Wembley? Renovations first announced in June 2000. Building begins in 2003.

My point is, these things takes serious time. So don't go blaming the CCB for every little bad thing just because you guys can't start stadium renovations 5x times faster than anybody else.

Useful when you cherry pick particurly cases to prove you point, isn't it? And if remember correctly people were exceedingly pissed off about how slow the renovations of Wembley and Landsowne were.

Daysha

Orizio wrote: »

Useful when you cherry pick particurly cases to prove you point, isn't it? And if remember correctly people were exceedingly pissed off about how slow the renovations of Wembley and Landsowne were.

Not cherry picking, just basic facts. I'm just saying if you guys honestly think any county board of an amateur organisation can organise the building of a complete top-to-bottom renovation of an old 45,000 capacity stadium into a state of the art, 60,000 all seater stadium in just over a year, than away with you.

Orizio

You maybe right about the time Deise, but by this stage I understandalby find any promise made by the CCB to be of dubious worth. As fas I am concerned our stadium isn't good enough, particurly in terms of facilities, but its a small point overall.

ShamoBuc

Great to see people passionate about their beliefs on the current impass.
As a rebel I believe both camps can easily have alot of blame and fault pitted at their doorstep but the bottom line is the CCB have followed 'procedure' and 'rules' to the letter. Therefore the 08 camp will not play again, mores the pity. Yes theres alot more to it than that but in reply to the question what happens next? its over!! The clubs HAVE no say in it. The vote HAS been taken and Will not be taken again. The CCB are hiding behind the 'bulletproof' rules and regulations, simple as that, unfortunately. For my own point of view it will mean a year or two of watching on telly instead of travelling , until the 'PAWN' is gone.

Myhairspray

To those people from outside of Cork, it must be irritating to be listening to this dispute and hard to understand, especially with all the spin that's been put on it. I met friends from Kilkenny over Christmas and the lack of understanding they had about the whole issue was not surprising.
When there is ongoing injustice, however, the truth has to come out in the end. The county Board needs a huge shake up. It's not healthy to have the system we have had in place, for so long.
It's not Gerald McCarthy's fault. He's just the latest pawn, being used by The County Board, just like Teddy Holland before him.
For anybody who watched Miriam O'Callaghan interviewing the PR of The Co. Board this week on Prime Time, they would have seen the complete intransigence that is within the Co. Board (at least most of them)- hiding behind the 'RULES' and we all know who wrote the 'RULES'.
The best letter I have seen was on Saturday's Examiner of 21 st February by a Ballincollig man who is a former Co. Board man. Having spent 1 year involved, he withdrew, as he was so disillusioned by the lack of fairness and democracy.
It's time the Co. Board WOKE UP and listened to the people of Cork.
I have supported Cork Hurlers and footballers, with my family and friends, up and down the country. We will NOT be attending any more Cork GAA matches until this dispute is resolved and there is a major shake up of the Co. Board. WAKE UP!!!!!!

Johnnyjump

Everybody is losing in this dispute, except Rugby and soccer.
What joy when Ireland won again for the third time in this 6 Nations. This Hurling (& Football) dispute in Cork means:

Hurlers 2008 lose
County Board lose
GAA coffers lose (Big time)
GAA clubs all over Co. Cork lose
Young boys and girls becoming disillusioned with GAA will lose

Once Landsdowne Road (Aviva Stadium) reopens, that will be the end of the gravy train for the GAA (unless this dispute is taken seriously).

Johnnyjump

The best fun I had since being in Croke Park last August to support the Cork Hurlers and Footballers was on 7th February 2009. As one of a crowd of 12,000 Cork supporters, I remembered what it was like to support a great group of players.

Johnnyjump

I've had plenty of other good times in between but in the GAA sense is what I mean!

rebel girl 15

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Great to see people passionate about their beliefs on the current impass.
As a rebel I believe both camps can easily have alot of blame and fault pitted at their doorstep but the bottom line is the CCB have followed 'procedure' and 'rules' to the letter.

I'd disagree about the CCB following the procedure and rules to the letter, they manipulated the procedures to suit themselves! The players said yes to adding Gerald McCarthy to the names, but then the CCB went and completely disregarded the others!! The players said yes because they knew that if the proper procedure was in place, Gerald McCarthy would not have been reinstated as manager!

What baffles me is Gerald McCarthy's motivation - he didn't want the job the first time, categorically stated that he did not want the job the second time, the players said that they didn't want him, yet he goes and accepts the job anyway. He knew fully well before accepting the job that the players didn't want him. He knew he did not have the support of the dressing room!!

this is not about player power, its about the CCB putting clearly the wrong man in the job, knowing fully it would rile the players, and cause trouble! The players don't want the power, they want a proper manager capable of leading them to AI glory. Gerald Mcarthy's training was not good enough, his record of 5 championship defeats in 2 years is not good enough. It was obvious that the CCB wanted to get back "control" of the players in a vindictive and underhand manner!!!!!!!!!

there is a cancer at the centre of the CCB, which is ruining Cork GAA - lack of proper underage structures etc. lip service being paid, the ordinary members of clubs all around Cork having to try every trick in the book to try and finance their club, without help from the CCB. The structures and some of the people at the centre of the current administration change, one man in particular, who has never been elected to the position, which is a faliure of proper procedure!

The clubs are going to come out and fight the CCB tooth and nail, especially the junior clubs who are badly underrespresented at county board level. For a county board that seems to champion hurling, the underage structures are a disgrace, and on the football side it is worse.

I for one am sick of it, and I urge every supporter of GAA to row behind the players in this fight, to try and better Cork GAA. Sean Og said a few days ago that he could have easily retired this season, with his AI medals safely tucked away. But he didn't, and the he and the rest of the players are putting their reputations on the line, for a sport that they do not get paid for, but still act professionally within!!!!!

ShamoBuc

Quote : I'd disagree about the CCB following the procedure and rules to the letter, they manipulated the procedures to suit themselves! The players said yes to adding Gerald McCarthy to the names, but then the CCB went and completely disregarded the others!! End quote

They may have manipulated the procedures BUT they never broke a rule or regulation and they know it, Big Frank would never have allowed it!!
Players say the CCB went against the SPIRIT of the setup, which they clearly did, but again no rules were broken. They will continue to 'hide' behind this stance, a stance which will see us relegated and playing Christy Ring hurling. Sad but true.

The Pontiac

Gerald at it again with his post match interview. Only genuine fans at the match, that he was democratically voted in as maager on two occasions and going on about rules, rules, rules. So 90% of cork hurling fans are not 'genuine'? Its getting harder and harder to find cork people who are not in total support of the players. He needs to get a grip on reality fast - its actually getting very embarrassing for the man.

ShamoBuc

Couldn't agree with you more but he believes he has the backing of the board and that is all that matters. If he took a step back from it he might realise he is nothing but a pawn. You don't see Frank on TV or on the radio. Unfortunately it is nearly time to accept 08 are gone and Ger is here for a year or two . Cork hurling is going to receive it's next trophy in a few years time the Chrisaty Ring cup

The Pontiac

Really can't see Gerald there too much longer. Hammered by Galway's second team and things are going to get worse. There is such a real momentum in Cork GAA now to get rid of Frank and his county board idiots. Croke Park are going to step in sooner or later when real loss of revenue becomes apparent - when the footballers go on strike it time up Frank. Agree that its going to make Gerald look like like a pawn but thats what he was from his reappointment. I actually had some pity for the guy but all this talk that the marchers are only shoppers and genuine fans here today-the man needs to stop talking and go.

Johnnyjump

There have been faults on both sides but my family and I have supported Cork Hurling and football through thick and thin. With all we've seen now, the dinosaurs who have the most incredible stranglehold on the GAA in Cork must move on. They have done untold damage. Unless they move on, thousands of Cork people will withdraw (and already HAVE withdrawn)their support for Cork teams in 2009. By staying away, they are making a protest.
Pretty shortly, the lack of cash will dawn on GAA as Cork have the best supporters in the Country, in terms of attendance, willingness to travel to matches, far and near.
There have been rumours floating around for years about things within the CCB. Everyone is talking about it but people don't want to specify details in public. It's only this year that it has finally come to this.
What are the powers that be in Cork CB afraid of moving on for?? Remember how Charlie Haughey clung on to office for as long as he could?

The Pontiac

Like any dictatorship they will cling to power till the very end. If Frank Murphy really cared about Cork hurling he would at least do an interview of some sort about this issue. Very very ignorant people. Gerald Mac today going on about rules and democracy- all a load of BS. Democracy? The whole county was you gone. Cork was the only county south of the border to vote against changing rule 42. Narrow minded clowns in the county board dictated by Frank for 35 years...

Johnnyjump

Just an example of underhand tactics that people are confronted with:
My cousin plays at Under 16 in his local club in which a leading member of Cork Co. Board is heavily involved.
His team NEVER play matches on Saturday afternoons. An extraordinary meeting of the team was called on Monday 2nd February to inform them that a match had been arranged for their team on Saturday 7th February 2009 at 2.30 p.m. !! (The 2008 Cork Hurlers march was taking place at 3.00 p.m. in town.)
How transparent is that?? The match went ahead, which meant, of course, that none of those boys were able to go to the march, even though several of them had intended going.
I know that my uncle was raging about the example that was being shown to his son and his team mates. Cork Co. Board have used every RULE to hide behind in this dispute and this is yet another example of disgraceful tactics at play.

Johnnyjump

I dabble in a bit of GAA myself but wouldn't exactly make the Sigerson UCC team. I am an interested observer though

Orizio

What club ya from Johnny and are ye having an EGM?

pdb123

I really can't understand the logic of some posters on here..

I don't want to get into slanging and name calling, but, the constant need for people from cork to fight against the "establishment" is childish and in some cases idiotic.

At the risk of bringing this slightly off topic, im going to set out a few facts

Roy keane was wrong! stephen Ireland is wrong! the cork hurling players are wrong..

Its well known that the main ringleaders are getting on in years, its well known that McCarthy is more interested in developing his squad of young players. I'm not suggesting that Sean Óg and co's place is in doubt, but never underestimate how egotistical a senior player can be.
In fact, Sean Óg came out and said "I could easily have retired this year". maybe, it would be best for all involved if he did. That quote makes it sound like he is doing cork a favour. It seems to me ,that he is doing both cork & the GAA as a whole a massive disservice by sticking around.

With Regards to Frank murphy, he is a man of excellent standing. He signed up to a deal last year in good faith, it was thrown back in his face, why should he cave to this pack of liars again?
I find it amazing that when cork win something, (they have won a lot during franks time) its because of the dedication of the players, but, when they lose its the fault of the county board.

Player power is all well and good, but when they want to effectively put their friends in as manager it is getting out of hand

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Erin Go Brath

Theres a bit of pettiness on both sides of the argument. I initially agreed with Gerald McCarthy, but now i would say as its developed (as a non-corkonian) that i am neutral on the whole county board/manager v player debate.

I think a lot of the Corkonians on here just want to see their main guys playing again and believe McCarthy going is the quick way to ensure that and so are dumping on him as the culprit plus Frank Murphy of the CCB.

That said, I do think the hyperbole on here is a bit laughable alright. The CCB have all but been compared to the Gestapo. I guess some aren't happy unless they are living up the Rebel County moniker.

LeoB

Wow, Great stuff folks.
From what I have read here there are some very ignorant people who would make a right B***s of things if they were on C.C.B. Suppose it is not called the rebel County for nothing:p. Some people from outside Cork have a genuine interest in this being resolved. Hope some of the rude people dont mind us having a say.
I like a lot of people from outside Cork really admire the Cork players in all codes, I admire the squad currently playing in the league even more, its not their fault and they should have the support of real supporters.
You would swear reading some of this stuff that Cork are the life line of G.A.A coffers.The only coffers hit will be Cork County Board but they will get extra money from Croke Park. A few draws in Championship will sort that out.

Some of the posters are ramming their views down peoples throat.
Will the 12,000 who attended that march in Cork be at their club A.G.MS? I doubt it very much
Were they at their A.G.Ms last year and for the last 25years? If yes why are these people still elected?
You see when you go to your club A.G.M and start talking you generally have to do a bit of work. Have spoke to a few who do nothing in their clubs but write crap to papers and phone Radio shows.
Who votes at Cork Co Convention? Delegates from clubs:) SO OBVIOUSLY THE CORK COUNTY BOARD HAVE MORE SUPPORT THAN SOME PEOPLE HERE LIKE TO ADMIT

At the start I would I have backed players, but not now. Sean Og Diarmuid and Donal Og should just go. They dont have to play for Cork. They recieved a great honour when first selected to play for Cork but now, they should go away and play golf or tennis. Who are they to say who manages the team? They could go back to their clubs and do some coaching or mark pitch's or even better become County Board Delegate. Some of the attacks made on Mr Murphy and Honohan have been just scandelous.

Can anyone tell me what happened at meeting where some people resigned in Cloyne over comments made at a meeting or was this just "spin"

Back to the original question. I hope Gerald McCarthy stays put and I think he will. I really hope Cork win even 1 game in Senior Championship if they dont so what.

pdb123

I agree, for the good of the game, let the playing squad win a few games..

I can only imagine the striking "players" are cheering on the other team..

LeoB

Does any one think the G.P.A are stirring things up in the background?
Something eating at me dont thinks its all down to Gerald, Frank and the 08 panel

spillcoe

LeoB wrote: »

Does any one think the G.P.A are stirring things up in the background?
Something eating at me dont thinks its all down to Gerald, Frank and the 08 panel

This dispute has nothing to do with the GPA. There are enough conspiracy theories going around without another one being added.