Intelligence...

Fishtits

OK, hands up we've all thought about this at some time or another...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7907861.stm

So, what do you think?

I had put it down to "brainy" ie stored data,

vs "Streetwise" ie reaction to situation,

Put real simply...

Random

I reckon Intelligence is about knowing what to say/do and when. It's about relevant knowledge, not general knowledge.

That is all.

banshee_bones

yah i just refer to it as

"booksmart" or "streetsmart"

The ones who are booksmart get high points in the leaving cert and usually go on to do the intensive heavy hours university courses super intelligent but couldnt make a friggn bacon sandwich without burning the house down!

The ones who are streetsmart do averagely well in school, and have various interests and knowledge about many different things, also a bit more socially inept! Personally i think shows like that are aimed entirely at the booksmart people for contestants and dont really challenge them on well what they refer to as "crystalised" intelligence!

I know its two common stereotypes but broken down, thats what i take from that article!

K-9

There is emotional and spatial intelligence too and I don't think this reflects that.

Anyway, an intelligence thread on AH?

towel401

Fishtits wrote: »

OK, hands up we've all thought about this at some time or another...

actually no. i havn't. that never crossed my mind. sry
kthxbai

chin_grin

Ok so what we do is get a 'Book-smart' person and put him/her in to a dirty street fight scenario. Then we get a 'Street-smart' person and put him/her in a high-up financial role. I think that will surely test this hypothesis. I may call it "Places of Trading" or something.

SoWatchaWant

She is intelligent, no doubt...

It's just a pity that her intellect has been squandered on learning random facts in university. Who cares if she won that silly competition. She could have been a pillar of society, instead she wastes time competing in some poxy competition. Same goes for all the teammates opponents etc.

Anima

Intelligence doesn't mean just one thing though. Theres lots of different areas. As someone said earlier, "booksmart" intelligence, you could break that down further to someone whos good at maths and someone whos good at english. Completely different things that use different areas of the brain.

I think a genius is someone who encompasses a lot of these different types of 'intelligences', maybe types that are related which means they accel in a particular area of work.

SoWatchaWant

banshee_bones wrote: »

yah i just refer to it as

"booksmart" or "streetsmart"

The ones who are booksmart get high points in the leaving cert and usually go on to do the intensive heavy hours university courses super intelligent but couldnt make a friggn bacon sandwich without burning the house down!

The ones who are streetsmart do averagely well in school, and have various interests and knowledge about many different things, also a bit more socially inept! Personally i think shows like that are aimed entirely at the booksmart people for contestants and dont really challenge them on well what they refer to as "crystalised" intelligence!

I know its two common stereotypes but broken down, thats what i take from that article!

I would have thought it were the other way around.

Fizman

chin_grin wrote: »

Ok so what we do is get a 'Book-smart' person and put him/her in to a dirty street fight scenario. Then we get a 'Street-smart' person and put him/her in a high-up financial role. I think that will surely test this hypothesis. I may call it "Places of Trading" or something.

Are you sure this part of your hypothesis hasn't already been firmly in place in this country for years?

Look around man, jesus look around! :pac:

banshee_bones

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

I would have thought it were the other way around.

yeah sorry ! its getting late! Think i need to go to bed when i start screwing up like that!

Rhyme

University Challenge seems to be people regurgitating information that they've learned rather than using the information.

Perhaps clever, not intelligent.

AlmightyCushion

Rhyme wrote: »

University Challenge seems to be people regurgitating information that they've learned rather than using the information.

Perhaps clever, not intelligent.

You don't even have to be clever. You don't have to know what any of it means you just have to remember it so all university challenge shows is that someone is good at remembering stuff.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

An intelligent person may not have an education at all but when confronted with a problem they can over come it with ease. They may not have a big vocabulary, they may not be good at math, they may not know alot about science, but that doesn't mean they are thick.

Tar.Aldarion

Exactly mr cushion, all you need is photographic(or partial) memory tbh.

Rhyme

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

You don't even have to be clever. You don't have to know what any of it means you just have to remember it so all university challenge shows is that someone is good at remembering stuff.

Kinda why i said 'perhaps'. Don't know anything about the contestants, the questions on the show are intimidating enough most of the time.

asdasd

You don't have to know what any of it means you just have to remember it so all university challenge shows is that someone is good at remembering stuff.

I like that in Doctors though. Memory corelates with general intelligence. Most of the questions in UC are not related to the courses the contestants do, so to remember facts on obscure highend topics sigifies a lot of reading, not just cramming.

So indeed they are intelligent.

JC 2K3

The whole "intelligence" debate is a retarded, entirely linguistically centred (by which I mean, it's just an argument over what the word "intelligence" should refer to, as opposed to anything meaningful) and therefore trivial load of crap.

All I'll say is there is merit to having the ability to learn and recall vast amounts of information and there is merit to having a high IQ. It really bugs me that when anyone is acclaimed for having what has been traditionally referred to as intelligence, you get the PC crowd in proclaiming that there are other types of intelligence, as if this persons achievements are somehow lessened as a result.

AlmightyCushion

asdasd wrote: »

Memory corelates with general intelligence.

Not always. A friend of mine isn't extremely intelligent (not saying he's thick) but he has the best memory of anyone I know by far. He knows the phone number and date of birth of pretty much everyone he knows off by heart. He hasn't deliberately tried to memorise them as far as I know he just remembers them.

aoibhebree

I apparently have a 160 IQ. I am good with the mathses and the englishes and the "OBH"s etc. However in everyday interpretation and conversation I find myself constantly outwitted.

I sure as hell would not consider my "type" of intelligence to be above others. In fact, it's pretty crap. It implies that I'm better than I am (i.e. better Leaving Cert results) which got me into a course better than I am, which got me into a really really good job which, when I start it, I don't think I will be able for.

How bitter and weird do I sound?

PS I am drunk right now!!

Sea Sharp

Well there's intelegence and then there's wisdom.

Intelegent is the ability to regurgitate stuff you've learned but don't necessarily understand.
Wisdom is the ability to apply intelegence

tech77

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Well there's intelegence and then there's wisdom.

Intelegent is the ability to regurgitate stuff you've learned but don't necessarily understand.
Wisdom is the ability to apply intelegence

Wisdom > Insight/Understanding/Appreciation > Intelligence > Memory > "Being thick".
Something like that, i dunno?

The guy

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Well there's intelegence and then there's wisdom.

Intelegent is the ability to regurgitate stuff you've learned but don't necessarily understand.
Wisdom is the ability to apply intelegence

I thought wisdom was knowledge gained through experience.

Sea Sharp

yeah, that makes more sense.

Jesus Wept

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jimmycrackcorm

If she dyed her hair Grey, grew a mustache and changed her surname to Einstein, she might be intelligent otherwise any monkey could be trained to answer those questions by pressing buttons.

T-K-O

I' sure she is a pretty intelligent girl but I would wager that she has the social skills of a leper.

biko

Why do so many people hate this girl simply for being clever?

milod

From the UK Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/philip-hensher/philip-hensher-an-ambitious-author-and-a-banned-book-1629356.html) it's the quote about Stephen Fry I liked most. A little unfair maybe as he'd probably make a fine dinner party guest - oooh did that sound a bit middle class?

“Gail Trimble” is not the most obvious name for a pin-up, but I’m enchanted and dazzled by the captain of Corpus Christi, Oxford, currently sweeping all before her on University Challenge. The final is tonight, and going on her previous form their rivals Manchester University might as well get their coats right now. First to the buzzer, full of the most disparate knowledge, Miss Trimble is a perfect delight to watch.

Like every bright Oxford classicist one ever knew, she clearly enjoys her own powers, and why not? I am told that some “bloggers” are complaining that she seems too clever by half, and are even a little bit shocked by someone being able to answer questions articulately and swiftly. Television has, for too long, been satisfied with ingenious but unconvincing imitations of intelligence – Stephen Fry has, accurately, been described as “the stupid person’s idea of a clever person”. Now you have the real spectacle of a first-class brain, and what kind of idiot could do anything but look at it with amazement and admiration? This is only a quiz show, and Miss Trimble will do something more worthwhile with her life than appear on television. I wonder what she will be, the next time we hear of her.

OldGoat

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Well there's intelegence and then there's wisdom.

Intelligence tells you that water falling from the sky is a part of the precipitation, evaporation, condensation cycle.

Wisdom tells you to use an umberella.

Dragan

The funny thing about Stephen Fry, as he has already been mentioned, is that he is very much like the Trimble chick. Smart and polarising.

Certain types of people need a REASON as to why they are more intelligent that anyone else. Stephen Fry is a clever man, look beyond the tv persona and you can see that easily. GT is obviously a clever girl with a decent work ethic. Both are in the public eye.

People will jump on either for their own cause and thats about it. "They are not clever" = "I believe that i am MORE intelligent than them in some sphere" for the most part.

Intelligence can be as individually applicable as human DNA i think. I was watching a documentary about man and certain animals having learned to work with each other. There was a tribe of people in Africa who had learned to imitate the call of a local species of bird, who would then guide them to nearby ants nests. The bird would fly a bit, land high up in a tree, wait for the people to catch up and move on. It would then land on the ground besides the bees nest so the people could find it.

The people would smoke out the nest, take out some honey and make sure they left some on an upturned spear for the bird.

Nobody can tell me that is not one clever bird.:)

Latchy

Violet Modern Cattle wrote: »

An intelligent person may not have an education at all but when confronted with a problem they can over come it with ease. They may not have a big vocabulary, they may not be good at math, they may not know alot about science, but that doesn't mean they are thick.

A common assumption by some people who Wouldn't be that intelligent to begin with .

Dragan wrote: »

Intelligence can be as individually applicable as human DNA i think. I was watching a documentary about man and certain animals having learned to work with each other. There was a tribe of people in Africa who had learned to imitate the call of a local species of bird, who would then guide them to nearby ants nests. The bird would fly a bit, land high up in a tree, wait for the people to catch up and move on. It would then land on the ground besides the bees nest so the people could find it.

The people would smoke out the nest, take out some honey and make sure they left some on an upturned spear for the bird.

Nobody can tell me that is not one clever bird.:)

Dont forget the salmon who in order to get upstream that much quicker and safer , make several trial jumps before the big one, just to see were the bears are hanging out .

Fish brains indeed

Zadkiel

Or a swarm of ants making a living bridge over running water....That always amazes me when I see it on Discovery

ejmaztec

Zadkiel wrote: »

Or a swarm of ants making a living bridge over running water....That always amazes me when I see it on Discovery

Good job ants aren't big enough to have their own university - we'd be screwed. :eek:

asdasd

An intelligent person may not have an education at all but when confronted with a problem they can over come it with ease.

Like Jade Goody, who is clearly inteligent enough to earn more money than most people on boards, but didnt know who Mr. Heinstein was.

Zadkiel

ejmaztec wrote: »

Good job ants aren't big enough to have their own university - we'd be screwed. :eek:

World Domination!:eek:
But back on Topic I have to say I dont know why people would be so harsh with their comments about Gail Trimble.
She may be a liiiittle bit smug but she has also worked very hard to learn everything she has.
I wouldn't dislike someone just for being good at something that does nobody else any harm.

thelordofcheese

GaNjaHaN wrote: »

Well there's intelegence and then there's wisdom.

Intelegent is the ability to regurgitate stuff you've learned but don't necessarily understand.
Wisdom is the ability to apply intelegence

There's a terrible D&D joke to be made here, but i just can't bring myself to do it.

Latchy

asdasd wrote: »

Like Jade Goody, who is clearly inteligent enough to earn more money than most people on boards, but didnt know who Mr. Heinstein was.

Yeah, nothing worse than a brian dead iggnorent millionaire .

Boskowski

aoibhebree wrote: »

It implies that I'm better than I am (i.e. better Leaving Cert results) which got me into a course better than I am, which got me into a really really good job which, when I start it, I don't think I will be able for.

Don't worry about it. Nobody coming out of a course is able for the job they're starting. No matter how good their grades graduates haven't a clue and that's ok, how could they?

asdasd

Yeah, nothing worse than a brian dead iggnorent millionaire .

I deliberatiely mentioned Jade as an example of non-academic intelligence. She's got street smarts. The reasons I bring her up is because I dont think that people actually believe that intelligence is actually all the seperate from book smarts. In general they neither like Gail Trimble who knows too much about Mr. Heinstein, or Jade Goody goody who knows too little.

Better to be mediocre, huh?

Terry

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

She is intelligent, no doubt...

It's just a pity that her intellect has been squandered on learning random facts in university. Who cares if she won that silly competition. She could have been a pillar of society, instead she wastes time competing in some poxy competition. Same goes for all the teammates opponents etc.

Dude, she's not dead.

Zadkiel wrote: »

World Domination!:eek:
But back on Topic I have to say I dont know why people would be so harsh with their comments about Gail Trimble.
She may be a liiiittle bit smug but she has also worked very hard to learn everything she has.
I wouldn't dislike someone just for being good at something that does nobody else any harm.

Some people are threatened by those more intelligent than them.

Anyway, inteligence is, in my opinion, the ability to memorise stuff and know when to use that stuff. Words and stuff.

Latchy

I deliberatiely mentioned Jade as an example of non-academic intelligence. She's got street smarts. The reasons I bring her up is because I dont think that people actually believe that intelligence is actually all the seperate from book smarts. In general they neither like Gail Trimble who knows too much about Mr. Heinstein, or Jade Goody goody who knows too little.

Better to be mediocre, huh?

Well indeed, how many people are pretty well off but coulden't string two words of a sentence together . Gail Trimble is clever ,smart , intelligent ( of course) .

Give me Gail or mediiocre any day over ignoramus ,wealthy or nay .