Any hope of Dunne v Munroe if they both win

Sugerraysarah

helloooooo guys

problem is i am a big fan of both boxers , randell munroe gave me his bin man jacket signed at the DCU sports hall last month and i really do think he is half decent thats boxer I mean , althought joe calazaghe and Oscar del la hoya are quite hot but anyway !!!

also am a fan of bernard dunne , so i am wondering if Bernard wins and Munroe beats kiko on points hopefully !!! would it still be possible for them to fight each other

Bernard being hopefully world champion and Munroe being EBU , is it a worthwhile fight for Dunne ? or would he or should he be chasing bigger fights if he wins

you guys probably have talked about this before but i am very interested to hear what ye think

cheers sarah

joepenguin

Id say Dunne would be on for fighting Munroe. Munroe would have to give up his ebu title to fight for the wba though. If Munroe wins and Dunne loses the the only way it will happen is in England on Munroes terms.
Dont think Dunne will go chasing the big names in the division.

cowzerp

Dunne is the biggest earner in his weight class, plus if he has the title he'll be the man in control-it would be in ireland if it goes ahead..

I cant see it happening to be honest..

T-K-O

I think if Dunne wins the title he will ignore Munroe, that whole " he aint getting a pay day off me" carry on.

alanceltic

if , sorry when.....:D:D dunne wins the wba title i would expect to see him exorcise his demons by going in against Kiko, lets face it thats where the cash pot is!

Duddyfan

So you are a fan of Munroe cos he gave you his jacket?!You are easily impressed!!If Dunne wins he won't give Munroe a shot imo.Anyway Kiko is looking for an early ko against Munroe and I sincerely hope he gets it!If Martinez wins the EBU Dunne has chance at getting revenge on Martinez and winning the title back, that is of course if Dunne loses to Cordoba.

alanceltic

I think dunne V kiko is something that will happen at some point its just a question of when and a case of what title (if any) is going to be on the line

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

So you are a fan of Munroe cos he gave you his jacket?!You are easily impressed!!If Dunne wins he won't give Munroe a shot imo.Anyway Kiko is looking for an early ko against Munroe and I sincerely hope he gets it!If Martinez wins the EBU Dunne has chance at getting revenge on Martinez and winning the title back, that is of course if Dunne loses to Cordoba.

I don't believe Dunne will want a chance at revenge. He hasn't mentioned it at all since his loss. Seriously mentioned it I mean. Kiko poses too much trouble for Bernard!

Hangballlouie

walshb wrote: »

I don't believe Dunne will want a chance at revenge. He hasn't mentioned it at all since his loss. Seriously mentioned it I mean. Kiko poses too much trouble for Bernard!

He should want revenge.
Even if he beats Cordoba (big IF) his record for me is still tarnished if he doesn't fight Kiko again.
A true champ as we all know, will always go after the guy who took his 0. Or should do anyway.

walshb

hangballlouie wrote: »

He should want revenge.
Even if he beats Cordoba (big IF) his record for me is still tarnished if he doesn't fight Kiko again.
A true champ as we all know, will always go after the guy who took his 0. Or should do anyway.

Absolutely; if he was genuine, and IF the Kiko loss was a fluke:rolleyes:, then he should have been chasing Kiko for a rematch. That's why one has to really admire a guy like Lennox Lewis. He gets starched badly by two heavyweights and immediately he wants to meet them again. That takes balls.

I am not expecting much on March 21st. I just hope Bernard gives a good account of himself. I hope he is not blown away in a few rds.

One has to wonder how he EARNED this shot at all. I am eternally GLAD
he has it, but from a realistic and unbiased VIEW, how the hell did he get
the chance to fight for a "world title?" A hand me down world title too

cowzerp

Bren as i've said lots of times before, many boxers have got shots at titles that where totally unknown, this is nothing new.

in this fight i believe its a 50/50 fight.

Buster Douglas for example was a massive underdog v Tyson, either way you look at it, its pro boxing and the number 1 issue is money and Dunne has been the big money draw in his weight division for a few years now..

T-K-O

Mr Walsh is well aware of how the pro game works - he just cant resist the negative comments.

I'm really looking forward to fight now, Dunne has got to fight a smart fight lets hope he does!

Really looking forward to Taylor and Egan as well and with the improvements to The Point it should all add up to a good night of boxing.

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Absolutely; if he was genuine, and IF the Kiko loss was a fluke:rolleyes:, then he should have been chasing Kiko for a rematch. That's why one has to really admire a guy like Lennox Lewis. He gets starched badly by two heavyweights and immediately he wants to meet them again. That takes balls.

I am not expecting much on March 21st. I just hope Bernard gives a good account of himself. I hope he is not blown away in a few rds.

One has to wonder how he EARNED this shot at all. I am eternally GLAD
he has it, but from a realistic and unbiased VIEW, how the hell did he get
the chance to fight for a "world title?" A hand me down world title too

How did he earn it?Come on Martinez and Munroe are higher up the rankings than Dunne but neither are better than Dunne.If either of those two accepted the chance to fight Cordoba would you be saying the same thing?I doubt it!You just don't like Dunne do you?
My man Duddy looks like he might soon have a shot at Pavlik, if he gets it will you be saying, "How the hell did he get it?", cos Dunne has done more to deserve a title shot than Duddy has in fairness.
Why all the hate for Dunne?

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

How did he earn it?Come on Martinez and Munroe are higher up the rankings than Dunne but neither are better than Dunne.If either of those two accepted the chance to fight Cordoba would you be saying the same thing?I doubt it!You just don't like Dunne do you?
My man Duddy looks like he might soon have a shot at Pavlik, if he gets it will you be saying, "How the hell did he get it?", cos Dunne has done more to deserve a title shot than Duddy has in fairness.
Why all the hate for Dunne?

Slow down horse. I wouldn't rate those two either or rate them worthy.
What's the problem. Neither 3 of them are worthy; but Munroe is European
champ and is rated higher and Kiko is too I think. So, of all three, Dunne is 3rd in the pecking order; but still, neither 3 are worthy or deserve an automatic title shot. Seriously, slow down before you jump in

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Bren as i've said lots of times before, many boxers have got shots at titles that where totally unknown, this is nothing new.

in this fight i believe its a 50/50 fight.

Buster Douglas for example was a massive underdog v Tyson, either way you look at it, its pro boxing and the number 1 issue is money and Dunne has been the big money draw in his weight division for a few years now..

Paul, underdog and (rated and worthy) are two different things. I do believe Douglas was a top 5 rated man when he met Tyson.

BTW, I am merely talking from a boxing perspective, unbiased and impartial.
I am glad he has the shot. I am!

I am just discussing the scenario, that's all. IMO, he does not deserve a shot, or come close to deserving a shot. Just because the world of boxing
is "corrupt," doesn't mean we have to applaud or accept it.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Mr Walsh is well aware of how the pro game works - he just cant resist the negative comments.

"One has to wonder how he EARNED this shot at all. I am eternally GLAD
he has it, but from a realistic and unbiased VIEW, how the hell did he get
the chance to fight for a "world title?" A hand me down world title too"

I don't think anything I said there is untrue or harsh. It's pure fact and it has ZERO to with criticism. Again, someone questions anything concerning Dunne, and you are jumping?:rolleyes:

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

How did he earn it?Come on Martinez and Munroe are higher up the rankings than Dunne but neither are better than Dunne.If either of those two accepted the chance to fight Cordoba would you be saying the same thing?I doubt it!You just don't like Dunne do you?
My man Duddy looks like he might soon have a shot at Pavlik, if he gets it will you be saying, "How the hell did he get it?", cos Dunne has done more to deserve a title shot than Duddy has in fairness.
Why all the hate for Dunne?

Neither are better than Dunne? How do you come to that conclusion?

Kiko destroyed Dunne, and until Dunne reverses that, then I think it's safe to
assume that Kiko is better. There's nothing difficult to understand about that.

As for Munroe, they never fought and only when they do, will one know who
is better. As it stands, the record says Kiko is Dunne's master and Munroe is placed HIGHER.

And Duddy, why are YOU bringing in HATE to this discussion?

I merely questioned the worthiness of this title shot and you are
bringing in "Hate"?

Duddy is world ranked, yet you seem to think Dunne is more
deserving? Why? He has done NOTHING since the Kiko
loss, you aren't going to tell me that those
3 wins against unranked bantams deserve MUCH credit?

T-K-O

There is only one fighter on the planet that "deserves" and automatic shot and that is the #1 contender but we are all well aware that is not how the game works.

Dunne is an attractive fighter for these guys, like it or not a fight with Dunne is more attractive than a fight with Munroe or Kiko.

Dunne is as deserving if not more so than most of the guys that get a shot at the big time.

Guys like Jennings and Rubio, are then deserving..

We all have great ideas of how the sport should be organised but boxing is one corrupt SOB

walshb

Lads, for the record, I know full well that guys get shots who aren't rated or aren't deserving. I know all this. I think it stinks; and that applies to ALL
boxeres who get the shot. I think it's completely unfair to those who are RANKED and worthy. This is a pure boxing view and NOTHING to do with
personal fighters. I think at least a TOP ten rating before a fighter should be allowed fight for a title.
Again, I know this is NOT always the case

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

There is only one fighter on the planet that "deserves" and automatic shot and that is the #1 contender but we are all well aware that is not how the game works.

Dunne is an attractive fighter for these guys, like it or not a fight with Dunne is more attractive than a fight with Munroe or Kiko.

Dunne is as deserving if not more so than most of the guys that get a shot at the big time.

Guys like Jennings and Rubio, are then deserving..

We all have great ideas of how the sport should be organised but boxing is one corrupt SOB

Mate, I know full well. I wouldn't even be stressing too much on the number 1 contender, just at least a TOP ten rated guy. That's not asking for much!

T-K-O

Well what makes a top 10 guy more deserving than a top 5?

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Slow down horse. I wouldn't rate those two either or rate them worthy.
What's the problem. Neither 3 of them are worthy; but Munroe is European
champ and is rated higher and Kiko is too I think. So, of all three, Dunne is 3rd in the pecking order; but still, neither 3 are worthy or deserve an automatic title shot. Seriously, slow down before you jump in

Yeah you may not think that either deserve a chance but I can't see you making an issue of it if any of the others two were fighting Cordoba.You seem to have a disliking for Dunne judging by the majority of your posts and you try to justify the negative stuff you say as coming from an "unbiased" boxing perspective, it dosen't add up!
It seems like whatever he does he will never win in your eyes!
i see you used to box as an amateur, did you ever face Dunne by any chance?I hear he was never beaten by an Irishman!

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

Well what makes a top 10 guy more deserving than a top 5?

I understand; I am just saying that a line should be drawn and that line should be a TOP ten ranking. You will never GET perfection, but at least
strive for some standards.

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

Yeah you may not think that either deserve a chance but I can't see you making an issue of it if any of the others two were fighting Cordoba.You seem to have a disliking for Dunne judging by the majority of your posts and you try to justify the negative stuff you say as coming from an "unbiased" boxing perspective, it dosen't add up!
It seems like whatever he does he will never win in your eyes!
i see you used to box as an amateur, did you ever face Dunne by any chance?I hear he was never beaten by an Irishman!

No, I didn't, and Bernard has an amazing Irish amateur record. Does this mean I or others must automatically apply a liking to his boxing in the pros?

I don't rate the chap at all. I don't rate a lot of fighters that I hapeen to think
are decent guys. Dunne is a nice lad, respectable and engaging and all that.
I just don't rate him at all as a pro. Sorry if that offends you.

"It seems like whatever he does he will never win in your eyes!"

Think about that quote for a moment. He hasn't done all that much to IMPRESS me. He did NOTHING on the world stage. He won a Europen
Title, congratulations. That's OLD news and he lost it in 86 secs to a mediocre fighter. Now, he is on the WORLD stage, a stage I don't think he
deserves to be on, LIKE MANY OTHERS, and I don't see him succeeding.


BTW Duddyfan, I distinctly said that Munroe and Kiko are NOT
world conetenders. Yet, you say I am only applying this to
Dunne. How can I debate with this logic?

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Neither are better than Dunne? How do you come to that conclusion?



I come to that conclusion based on performances to date!Dunne has faced a higher standard of opposition than both Munroe and Martinez and has always looked the more complete fighter.
Please don't tell me that because Martinez beat Dunne that you think this makes him a better boxer!If Martinez out pointed Dunne, then yeah you would have a point but what has Martinez done since?
Munroe is simply not a great boxer in any way,his ranking is a joke if think about it,like a lot of UK boxing fans will tell you he is not even the best super bantam in Britain.
Dunne is the better of the 3 despite what the ratings say.

T-K-O

:rolleyes:

No he has done nothing - apart from re-launching boxing back into the minds of the gen pop.

walshb

Well, this could go on and on and on.
Simply put, all three are far from WORLD class and
all three hardly fought any world class opposition.

I can't speak for the other two, but Bernard has NEVER
ever faced a legitimate TOP ten fighter at the TIME he
actually fought them!

I doubt the others did either

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

:rolleyes:

No he has done nothing - apart from re-launching boxing back into the minds of the gen pop.

What, the pop that goes to the O2 or the point?
Hardly world inspiring now!

T-K-O

The general population :rolleyes:

Dunne has brought the sport back into the mainstream - in order to do that you need the gen pop to have an interest.

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Well, this could go on and on and on.
Simply put, all three are far from WORLD class and
all three hardly fought any world class opposition.

I can't speak for the other two, but Bernard has NEVER
ever faced a legitimate TOP ten fighter at the TIME he
actually fought them!

I doubt the others did either

My point is that you would not be saying, "How the hell did they get the chance", if Martinez or Munroe were fighting Cordoba. You KNOW how Dunne got the chance, it happens all the time in boxing.
You just do not like Dunne!Every comment regarding him is an insult or laced with sarcasm. TKO pointed out that Dunne has helped bring boxing to the general population and you reply with a sarcastic comment!
If you do not rate him in any way, fair play to you but I doubt he could do anything that would ever impress you!
I even notice how you are refering to the belt he is fighting for as a hand me down, is this so if he does actually win that you can say, "ah but it's not the real title"!

T-K-O

Duddyfan wrote: »

My point is that you would not be saying, "How the hell did they get the chance", if Martinez or Munroe were fighting Cordoba. You KNOW how Dunne got the chance, it happens all the time in boxing.
You just do not like Dunne!Every comment regarding him is an insult or laced with sarcasm. TKO pointed out that Dunne has helped bring boxing to the general population and you reply with a sarcastic comment!
If you do not rate him in any way, fair play to you but I doubt he could do anything that would ever impress you!
I even notice how you are refering to the belt he is fighting for as a hand me down, is this so if he does actually win that you can say, "ah but it's not the real title"!

I do not recall Walsh calling the belt and hand me down when the fight was announce - maybe he was ill that day

Call Me Jimmy

I really wanted to see some live boxing, any live boxing and this fight is the day after my birthday so I says "sure why not check out some ticket prices"... jesus christ 90 euro gets ye to the very back tier, 130 gets ye to the middle tier right at the edge and then 225 gets ye ringside. This is a bernard dunne fight right? Maybe I just don't have any experience with ticket prices for these things but... it seems high.

T-K-O

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I really wanted to see some live boxing, any live boxing and this fight is the day after my birthday so I says "sure why not check out some ticket prices"... jesus christ 90 euro gets ye to the very back tier, 130 gets ye to the middle tier right at the edge and then 225 gets ye ringside. This is a bernard dunne fight right? Maybe I just don't have any experience with ticket prices for these things but... it seems high.

Believe it or not, prices have actually decreased for Dunne fighting at the point.

Duddyfan

T-K-O wrote: »

I do not recall Walsh calling the belt and hand me down when the fight was announce - maybe he was ill that day

How do you see this fight going TKO, I've been trying to find footage of Cordoba but all I can find is his fight with Luis Perez on Youtube.
He looks good but not unbeatable, what do you think?

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Paul, underdog and (rated and worthy) are two different things. I do believe Douglas was a top 5 rated man when he met Tyson.

BTW, I am merely talking from a boxing perspective, unbiased and impartial.
I am glad he has the shot. I am!

I am just discussing the scenario, that's all. IMO, he does not deserve a shot, or come close to deserving a shot. Just because the world of boxing
is "corrupt," doesn't mean we have to applaud or accept it.

Considering Dunne is as good if not better than 50% of 'World title' challengers nowdays I don't think a topic on how he earned/deserves his shot is even relevant. Look at the fighter Caballero fought before Molitor http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=30638&cat=boxer. It's a fighter Dunne would probably have knocked out in a round.

When you considering that their are 5 belts at Super-Bantamweight and if a champion is making a voluntary then that means they won't be fighting a mandatory. So potentially(although not probably) you've eliminated the top 10 fighters in the division from being the opponent straight away.

Organisations won't put a fighter in their rankings a lot of the time if their fighting for another sanctioning bodies title or an eliminator for another sanctioning bodies title. So potentially we've another 10 fighters gone.

Considering that Dunne is actually a very good voluntary in modern boxing.

Dunne is only ranked #11 btw, that's the same position the awful Arsen Matirosian was in when he fought Rendall Munroe.

I just think with the way boxing is now it's not even worth discussing. If there was only one sanctioning body or if one fighter held all the belts then maybe, but that's not the case and Dunne is actually deserving of a chance like this. Do you really think he's not deserving of a chance to become WBA 'regular' champion(hence lower than the 'unified' champion), when there is already 3 other belts than the WBA that are highly valued ?.....as a voluntary this is. If Dunne was a mandatory I'd be complaining about how stupid it is but that's not the case, he's 11th ! .

I'll post more on this potential fight later but my short answer to the question is if Dunne wins I don't think if happens.

T-K-O

Duddyfan wrote: »

How do you see this fight going TKO, I've been trying to find footage of Cordoba but all I can find is his fight with Luis Perez on Youtube.
He looks good but not unbeatable, what do you think?

It's a tough one to call. I haven't seen much of him but I have read some articles and obviously seen his record.

I have always stated that the top four in Bernards division are something special the next batch of guys are fair game and can be beaten by Dunne if he performs.

He needs to fight smart keep the the hands up, get in land shots and get out fast. I can see Dunne out boxing this guy but it is by no means an easy fight.

I do have concerns but I think he can do it.

T-K-O

Big Ears wrote: »

Considering Dunne is as good if not better than 50% of 'World title' challengers nowdays I don't think a topic on how he earned/deserves his shot is even relevant. Look at the fighter Caballero fought before Molitor http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=30638&cat=boxer. It's a fighter Dunne would probably have knocked out in a round.

When you considering that their are 5 belts at Super-Bantamweight and if a champion is making a voluntary then that means they won't be fighting a mandatory. So potentially(although not probably) you've eliminated the top 10 fighters in the division from being the opponent straight away.

Organisations won't put a fighter in their rankings a lot of the time if their fighting for another sanctioning bodies title or an eliminator for another sanctioning bodies title. So potentially we've another 10 fighters gone.

Considering that Dunne is actually a very good voluntary in modern boxing.

Dunne is only ranked #11 btw, that's the same position the awful Arsen Matirosian was in when he fought Rendall Munroe.

I just think with the way boxing is now it's not even worth discussing. If there was only one sanctioning body or if one fighter held all the belts then maybe, but that's not the case and Dunne is actually deserving of a chance like this. Do you really think he's not deserving of a chance to become WBA 'regular' champion(hence lower than the 'unified' champion), when there is already 3 other belts than the WBA that are highly valued ?.....as a voluntary this is. If Dunne was a mandatory I'd be complaining about how stupid it is but that's not the case, he's 11th ! .

I'll post more on this potential fight later but my short answer to the question is if Dunne wins I don't think if happens.

Well said ears. Dunne is more than a worthy challenge for this guy.

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

My point is that you would not be saying, "How the hell did they get the chance", if Martinez or Munroe were fighting Cordoba. You KNOW how Dunne got the chance, it happens all the time in boxing.
You just do not like Dunne!Every comment regarding him is an insult or laced with sarcasm. TKO pointed out that Dunne has helped bring boxing to the general population and you reply with a sarcastic comment!
If you do not rate him in any way, fair play to you but I doubt he could do anything that would ever impress you!
I even notice how you are refering to the belt he is fighting for as a hand me down, is this so if he does actually win that you can say, "ah but it's not the real title"!

Holy sh1t, do you even bother to read. For the THIRD time. Neither of the 3 are IMO worthy of a shot.

As for the sarcastic comment? I am talking about the WORLD stage and TKO mentinoned he has brought boxing back to the GENERAL population. I simply said that the two things were separate.

The belt is a "hand me down", it was vacated by Cabarello, as far as I know?The proper terminology is 'interim,' but again, you obviously are quite sensitive, so interim it is then:rolleyes:

Look. lets enjoy the spectacle and lets HOPE Dunne grabs this chance with both hands. He's lucky to be getting it.

And, just in case your eyes again fail YOU, for the fourth time, Kiko and Munroe are NOT worthy of a title shot at this stage in their careers

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Holy sh1t, do you even bother to read. For the THIRD time. Neither of the 3 are IMO worthy of a shot.

As for the sarcastic comment? I am talking about the WORLD stage and TKO mentinoned he has brought boxing back to the GENERAL population. I simply said that the two things were separate.

The belt is a "hand me down", it was vacated by Cabarello, as far as I know?The proper terminology is 'interim,' but again, you obviously are quite sensitive, so interim it is then:rolleyes:

Look. lets enjoy the spectacle and lets HOPE Dunne grabs this chance with both hands. He's lucky to be getting it.

And, just in case your eyes again fail YOU, for the fourth time, Kiko and Munroe are NOT worthy of a title shot at this stage in their careers

What I am trying to say is that if the other two got a crack at the title that you would not be making an issue of them deserving it, what don't you get about that?
I did not say that you think they are worthy, but that because it is Dunne getting the shot it is apparently beyond your comprehension how the hell he deserves it!
My point is that a lot of guys get shots at world titles even though their rankings suggest that they do not deserve it, you are a boxing fan you know this so why can't you understand why Dunne got this chance?

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

What I am trying to say is that if the other two got a crack at the title that you would not be making an issue of them deserving it, what don't you get about that?
I did not say that you think they are worthy, but that because it is Dunne getting the shot it is apparently beyond your comprehension how the hell he deserves it!
My point is that a lot of guys get shots at world titles even though their rankings suggest that they do not deserve it, you are a boxing fan you know this so why can't you understand why Dunne got this chance?

Eh, Kiko is Spanish, Munroe is English and Dunne is Irish and a Dubliner.
Of course I am going to be more involved in discussing Dunne's chances
and his merits etc et. If I were Spanish and Kiko was getting a shot, and from what I know of Kiko, I would be questioning this.

Duddy, your problem, like that of others, is simple: When someone
questions things or maybe wonders why things are SO; you cannot
discuss the issue without resorting to the HATE and prejudiced
approach.

Dunne is being discussed because the thread relates to Dunne and he
is Irish.

It is NOT beyond my comprehension at how he deserves it. My standards would NOT allow ANY fighter below a ranking of ten to be a voluntary or a mandatory or anything else. So, saying this, Dunne doesn't deserve a shot in my estimation.

Please read what I am writing. It has zero to do with whether one likes a fighter or not; it's all to do with STANDARDS. I think the sport is suffering terribly due to a lack of standards and fighters fighting for world titles when there are many ranked higher is IMO shambolic

And for the 50th time; I know well it's happening. Isn't that why we
are on this thread debating it. I think it stinks.
It actually makes a mockery of the term "World champion"

It's bloody bad enough that there are 4 or 5 world champs in each weight without guys skipping ahead of others and getting shots at titles.

It's a disgrace and it is rampant in BOXING. Dunne is only ONE of many many
examples

Duddy, please read the whole post before replying. I have covered
every avenue here. I don't want to keep repeating myself

Regards

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

I do not recall Walsh calling the belt and hand me down when the fight was announce - maybe he was ill that day

No, but I did use the legit term, interim. Is that correct?

It was a hand me down belt. Cabarello discraded it didn't he?

Then Resto and Cardoba fought for it. I wonder if these two were the TOP
2 in the WBA ratings at the time. It only seems RIGHT that a belt handed down or vacated should be contested by the top two contenders in the belts division. Anyone any info on this?

C'mon, I am not asking for much by at least wanting a vacated belt to be fought for by the TOP 2 in the ratings of that division.

Big Ears, mate, any info on this?

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Eh, Kiko is Spanish, Munroe is English and Dunne is Irish and a Dubliner.
Of course I am going to be more involved in discussing Dunne's chances
and his merits etc et. If I were Spanish and Kiko was getting a shot, and from what I know of Kiko, I would be questioning this.

Duddy, your problem, like that of others, is simple: When someone
questions things or maybe wonders why things are SO; you cannot
discuss the issue without resorting to the HATE and prejudiced
approach.

Dunne is being discussed because the thread relates to Dunne and he
is Irish.

It is NOT beyond my comprehension at how he deserves it. My standards would NOT allow ANY fighter below a ranking of ten to be a voluntary or a mandatory or anything else. So, saying this, Dunne doesn't deserve a shot in my estimation.

Please read what I am writing. It has zero to do with whether one likes a fighter or not; it's all to do with STANDARDS. I think the sport is suffering terribly due to a lack of standards and fighters fighting for world titles when there are many ranked higher is IMO shambolic

And for the 50th time; I know well it's happening. Isn't that why we
are on this thread debating it. I think it stinks.
It actually makes a mockery of the term "World champion"

It's bloody bad enough that there are 4 or 5 world champs in each weight without guys skipping ahead of others and getting shots at titles.

It's a disgrace and it is rampant in BOXING. Dunne is only ONE of many many
examples

Duddy, please read the whole post before replying. I have covered
every avenue here. I don't want to keep repeating myself

Regards

I still maintain your biased in your opinion of Dunne and will bring up any point to put him down. If you were truly glad that Dunne got his chance against Cordoba like you said you were then you would not feel the need to say that he does not deserve it.
Most people even those who do not particularly rate Dunne would simply say, good luck to him, but you can't leave it at that, you have to bring up the fact that he does not deserve it!
If you did not sound so insulting in your comments regarding Dunne, (which is more than just wondering why things are SO) then myself and others would not think that there was something other than, hate/envy/bias, behind your opinion of Dunne, thats all!

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

I still maintain your biased in your opinion of Dunne and will bring up any point to put him down. If you were truly glad that Dunne got his chance against Cordoba like you said you were then you would not feel the need to say that he does not deserve it.
Most people even those who do not particularly rate Dunne would simply say, good luck to him, but you can't leave it at that, you have to bring up the fact that he does not deserve it!
If you did not sound so insulting in your comments regarding Dunne, (which is more than just wondering why things are SO) then myself and others would not think that there was something other than, hate/envy/bias, behind your opinion of Dunne, thats all!

Look, I am truly GLAD. I am. Finally, he meets a TOP ten fighter. I am damn
glad of that and if you knew me from boards.ie; I have been calling for a legitimate TOP ten fighter for Dunne for years now.

So, just because we're glad, does that mean we have to remain quiet and not discuss the matter because folks like you take offense and bring out the HATE card?:rolleyes: How dumb is that?

Bottom line, I am glad he has the shot. That is ONE issue.
Does he deserve a shot? No, that's another issue. Why the problem
discussing the two?

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Look, I am truly GLAD. I am. Finally, he meets a TOP ten fighter. I am damn
glad of that and if you knew me from boards.ie; I have been calling for a legitimate TOP ten fighter for Dunne for years now.

So, just because we're glad, does that mean we have to remain quiet and not discuss the matter because folks like you take offense and bring out the HATE card?:rolleyes: How dumb is that?

Bottom line, I am glad he has the shot. That is ONE issue.
Does he deserve a shot? No, that's another issue. Why the problem
discussing the two?

Ok I will take your word for it that you are glad of it. I will be interested to hear your take on things if Dunne wins!

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

Ok I will take your word for it that you are glad of it. I will be interested to hear your take on things if Dunne wins!

And I will be interested to hear from you should Dunne be wiped out. I mean, assessing his overall career. Should Bernard be well beaten, then
his career was pretty pretty average. Not a single win
over a world class fighter. That's the best I can see from a bad loss.

I will assess the actual fight, display, opponent etc and then give an
honest and accurate view.

I really want an impressive performance, but I am
not holding my breath. From what I have seen
of Cardoba, he is the best suited opponent for Bernard's
chances

Anyway, lets wait and see and enjoy. No point in us two
arguing till the cows come home.

Call Me Jimmy

Duddy ye'r accusing walsh of being anti-dunne and that it's coming across in his posts yet you are so pro-dunne that you aren't happy with any discussion that isn't "dunne is better than sex"... slightly hypocritical?

Walsh is talking rationally and has explained himself many times, you seem to think somebody can't support or even like dunne AND question anything about him/the sport in general at the same time?

walshb

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Duddy ye'r accusing walsh of being anti-dunne and that it's coming across in his posts yet you are so pro-dunne that you aren't happy with any discussion that isn't "dunne is better than sex"... slightly hypocritical?

Walsh is talking rationally and has explained himself many times, you seem to think somebody can't support or even like dunne AND question anything about him/the sport in general at the same time?

Jimmy, all I ever did was assess the situation without any bias or prejudice.
We have to be 100 percent honest and accurate if we are to get the full
facts. Glad you see that I am NOT anti Dunne. I don't even know the chap; why the hell would I be

Call Me Jimmy

Preaching to the converted here. I am interested in dunne, I like watching him and I have nothing against him (as you said, I don't even know him) but I do question the way his career has been managed etc. but it's nothing to do with not liking the chap.

Duddyfan

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Duddy ye'r accusing walsh of being anti-dunne and that it's coming across in his posts yet you are so pro-dunne that you aren't happy with any discussion that isn't "dunne is better than sex"... slightly hypocritical?

Walsh is talking rationally and has explained himself many times, you seem to think somebody can't support or even like dunne AND question anything about him/the sport in general at the same time?

Ok that "Dunne is better than sex" comment is quite creepy so I won't even get into that with you!
Walsh has consistently put Dunne down at every turn and I am by no means the only person who thinks that Walsh's opinion is more than just rational discussion on him. I could go back and give you examples of his comments on Dunne from him saying that Dunne was "let go" from the US even though there is no such evidence of this, to the total dismissive way he descibes most of Dunne's opponents.
Oh and where do I come across as "so pro-Dunne, example please?

walshb

Duddyfan wrote: »

Ok that "Dunne is better than sex" comment is quite creepy so I won't even get into that with you!
Walsh has consistently put Dunne down at every turn and I am by no means the only person who thinks that Walsh's opinion is more than just rational discussion on him. I could go back and give you examples of his comments on Dunne from him saying that Dunne was "let go" from the US even though there is no such evidence of this, to the total dismissive way he descibes most of Dunne's opponents.
Oh and where do I come across as "so pro-Dunne, example please?

Duddy, let it go! Most of Dunne's opponents were tomato cans, fact. This
mean I hate Dunne? You and TKO, wow, that's all who have this
whacked view of me and Bernard. Are you honestly looking for
examples of you being PRO Dunne. Every time anyone even
questions anthing about Dunne and his career&boxing, you resort
to the "hate" card.

Feck sake!

Duddyfan

walshb wrote: »

Duddy, let it go! Most of Dunne's opponents were tomato cans, fact. This
mean I hate Dunne?

Feck sake!

Oh you would justify any of your comments, David Martinez, Veronin, Pickering, Walstad, they were not tomato cans!Unless you are judging them by your ever so high standards.
Why do you pick out one example of why I believe that you dislike (ok not hate, that is too strong a word) Dunne, I am basing my assumptions about your stance on Dunne on EVERYTHING you say about him! Not just one isolated comment.
I could go back and find every post to prove my point but I have neither the time or the inclination.