Are you going to protest tomorrow

seangal

who is going to protest in dublin tomorrow and why are you going?
i am going as a public servent but also to protest at the protection the fat cats are getting and to call for a change of goverement

Darragh29

I am, as are 10 of my mates, 4 of who are now unemployed with no short term prospects of getting a job.

We are all bringing a pair of old shoes to leave at the gates of Leinster House to demonstrate our hatred of this inept and useless shower of apes that are currently in office. I think this protest is going to be the biggest protest seen in Dublin in the last 20 years.... Btw, none of us are public sector workers...

tomcosgrave

I am a private sector worker, and going on the protest in solidarity with my fellow workers who have been victimised by our incompetent government.

Het-Field

I wont be attending (not based on an aversion to the protests, just out of laziness). I agree with public service cuts. However, I disagree with the sneeky nature of these ones which the governemtn has described as "tough measures". I would also like to see a reajustment of the levy to cater for the lower paid, as many Civil Servants are notcapable of living a Haughey style life. Look at California and the huge lay off of Public Sector Workers last week. This could end up getting a hell of a lot worse efore it gets better. These actions are simply the thin edge of the wedge.

However, I would like to show solidarity with the strikers, on the overall issue of governmental economic management. Its peicemeal, yet caviler approach will continue to drag us down further.

Darragh29

Het-Field wrote: »

I wont be attending (not based on an aversion to the protests, just out of laziness). I agree with public service cuts. However, I disagree with the sneeky nature of these ones which the governemtn has described as "tough measures". I would also like to see a reajustment of the levy to cater for the lower paid, as many Civil Servants are notcapable of living a Haughey style life. Look at California and the huge lay off of Public Sector Workers last week. This could end up getting a hell of a lot worse efore it gets better. These actions are simply the thin edge of the wedge.

However, I would like to show solidarity with the strikers, on the overall issue of governmental economic management. Its peicemeal, yet caviler approach will continue to drag us down further.

If you want to show real solidarity, get out of bed and protest! If your going to talk the talk, then you're going to have to walk the walk. Nothing is going to change unless we stop tolerating this standard of governance...

Het-Field

Darragh29 wrote: »

If you want to show real solidarity, get out of bed and protest! If your going to talk the talk, then you're going to have to walk the walk. Nothing is going to change unless we stop tolerating this standard of governance...

Thats as fair and vaild a point as I have heard in 2009 ! I may have to revise my plans !

Darragh29

Het-Field wrote: »

Thats as fair and vaild a point as I have heard in 2009 ! I may have to revise my plans !

Down with this sort of thing! We need to get serious about this and get these apes out of government while there is still the remanants of an economy left to save...

TomD101

Darragh29 wrote: »

I am, as are 10 of my mates, 4 of who are now unemployed with no short term prospects of getting a job.

We are all bringing a pair of old shoes to leave at the gates of Leinster House to demonstrate our hatred of this inept and useless shower of apes that are currently in office. I think this protest is going to be the biggest protest seen in Dublin in the last 20 years.... Btw, none of us are public sector workers...

I think i'm missing your point of bringing an old pair of shoes? Sounds a bit retarded.

SkepticOne

No, because even if the government is ousted the replacement government will still have to make significant cuts in public sector pay which is the main thing being protested against.

seangal

can we not make this in to public sector v private sector

cavedave

SkepticOne

No, because even if the government is ousted the replacement government will still have to make significant cuts in public sector pay which is the main thing being protested.

Is that the main thing being protested? I want to protest about the combined actions of Anglo, the regulator the central bank and the government. Is this protest the best place I can do this? You are never going to agree 100% with thousands of people protesting so I'm wondering if this is my best chance to protest being put in a huge debt due to the shenanigans of a few very rich people.

Darragh29

TomD101 wrote: »

I think i'm missing your point of bringing an old pair of shoes? Sounds a bit retarded.

This is how you do it, no messing or f*nnying around!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFX-dKpcDz8

seangal

i think we need to the get rid of goverement
they took the eye off the ball and caused the construction bubble
they have us all paying massive mortgages ect
we need them out along with all the top bankers and start all over again
my poster will be " OUT WITH FF NOW AND NAME THE FAT TEN"

jimmycrackcorm

seangal wrote: »

i think we need to the get rid of goverement
they took the eye off the ball and caused the construction bubble
they have us all paying massive mortgages ect
we need them out along with all the top bankers and start all over again
my poster will be " OUT WITH FF NOW AND NAME THE FAT TEN"

Great plan. That will solve our problems.

FTA69

Darragh29 wrote: »

We are all bringing a pair of old shoes to leave at the gates of Leinster House to demonstrate our hatred of this inept and useless shower of apes that are currently in office.

You'd be better off throwing them á la Iraq.

ejmaztec

FTA69 wrote: »

You'd be better off throwing them á la Iraq.

If they leave a load of shoes outside, the world press will think that Leinster House is a new mosque, or that they've been left out by the politicians for cleaning.

Varkov

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Great plan. That will solve our problems.

Probably not, but its a start.

Or what would you like to do? Stay at home or grumble about it in the pub?

grahamo

I'm public sector but not civil service. I'm going and its not to protest over pension levy.
I don't mind doing my bit so no problems paying it. I'm going because ordinary Joes are losing jobs while the Fat Cats take no hits at all. I'm not happy with that!

mrgaa1

Does anyone seriously think that the protest is going to change anything? NO IT WILL NOT - NOT ONE IOTA. What a waste of fuel, Gardai time and peoples time.

The protest will be no doubt have thousands of people doing something but its not going to make one difference.
Do you think if 200,000 people turn up that Brian Cowan and his cohorts will say "Ah look lads, theres loads of people out there - we have to resign now." No chance.
In fact FF, FG & Labour are as bad as each other. The government is trying to do something and the rest of the shower are point scoring - nit picking everything instead of getting behind the government and showing support.
This great country of ours is being torn apart not just by the GLOBAL credit crisis but the childish bickering of aged men who attend their "school" for a lock of days a year. Irish politics is a joke.
Of course we have to look to the past but as far as I'm aware we can't go back and fix things. So lets try and sort out the future. We don't need a general election this year because that will really tear this country apart. We need everyone to set aside their differences and work together for the sake of this country. We don't need more expensive inquiries - we need people to work together. Wage cuts need to happen across all trades and all sectors - unions need to lose a lot of their powers. National wage plans etc... scrapped. Today the labour court was dealing with a request by the CIF to cut wages by 10% and the unions want it up by 3.5% in recessionary times and when there is no work - who do these unions think they are? Maggie Thatcher was a a lot of unmentionable words but she stood up to the unions and beat them. What does Brian Cowan do - ask them in and see what they think?
The Rip Off Ireland virus that infected everybody needs to be removed and lets get real about wages and the cost of living.
I think a famous slogan should be used: "Ask not what your country can do for you but what can you do for your country".

K4t

mrgaa1 wrote: »

We need everyone to set aside their differences and work together for the sake of this country. - we need people to work together. .

Hence the protest :rolleyes:

I really want to go and protest. Protest for tougher measures(higher taxes) and incentives for job creation. Also against the bailout of certain trucking bankers. I'm not sure if going tomorrow with a placard saying this will go down too well though....

What do any of you going think?

I'll probably go in with a camera anyway just so I don't miss any excitement

TomD101

tools

MG

I won't be going because I don't support the protest. 'Tis like protesting about the colour of the Fire Engines while your house is on fire.

ejmaztec

TomD101 wrote: »

tools

Will you be making your own placard?

Varkov

MG wrote: »

I won't be going because I don't support the protest. 'Tis like protesting about the colour of the Fire Engines while your house is on fire.

Only if the firemen and their mates set your house on fire...

MG

Varkov wrote: »

Only if the firemen and their mates set your house on fire...

after you poured petrol on it and then got amnesia

Lu Tze

Would it not be more effective to go to Cowen/Lenihen's places of residence and protest there, seeing as there won't be any government reps around leinster house?

Varkov

MG wrote: »

after you poured petrol on it and then got amnesia

I dont get it

nesf

TomD101 wrote: »

tools

TomD101 wrote: »

I think i'm missing your point of bringing an old pair of shoes? Sounds a bit retarded.

Banned for a week.

BroomBurner

I will be joining on the basis that I've had enough of those at the top continuing with cronyism and protectionism and letting those who can't afford to pay pick up the whole tab.

I agree that money needs to be saved, and thankfully I'm in a place at the moment whereby I can afford to take the pension levy hit. However, many will find it a lot harder as they have families to feed. I also disagree with how the levy is being met out. Someone on more than twice what I am paid will pay €25 more than me a fortnight. If someone can explain how that is fair, then please, go ahead.

I'll be there Saturday, though not for all of it (my birthday!!).

MG

Varkov wrote: »

I dont get it

I don't think anyone protesting tomorrow gets it.

If any of these people did any of the following, then they were complicit in the mismanagement of the country so are hypocrites.

Anyone who voted Fianna Fail in 2006
Regulators
Unions who pressed for benchmarking and their members
Anyone who took out a 100% mortgage
Anyone who inflated their income to get mortgage approval
Anyone who bought BTL
Most people who used equity release
Anyone who borrowed excessively for day to day expenses
Anyone who said “renting is dead money”
Anyone who complained about people “talking down the economy”
There are probably more...............

BroomBurner

MG wrote: »

I don't think anyone protesting tomorrow gets it.

If any of these people did any of the following, then they were complicit in the mismanagement of the country so are hypocrites.

Anyone who voted Fianna Fail in 2006
Regulators
Unions who pressed for benchmarking and their members
Anyone who took out a 100% mortgage
Anyone who inflated their income to get mortgage approval
Anyone who bought BTL
Most people who used equity release
Anyone who borrowed excessively for day to day expenses
Anyone who said “renting is dead money”
Anyone who complained about people “talking down the economy”
There are probably more...............

Are you any of those things?

I bought a house with my OH on a 100% mortgage. That's all I did off the list. Are you going to begrudge me that?

Btw, what a way to hijack the thread. It's about whos going to protest, not about your own agenda.

Dasilva94

I wish there were distributed protests in regional centres around the country in solidarity with the main Dublin protest. Not everybody can travel 160 miles plus at the drop of a hat, and you'd have the the advantage of a much larger turnout in toto.

This country is too Dublin-centric, IMHO.

BroomBurner

Dasilva94 wrote: »

I wish there were distributed protests in regional centres around the country in solidarity with the main Dublin protest. Not everybody can travel 160 miles plus at the drop of a hat, and you'd have the the advantage of a much larger turnout in toto.

This country is too Dublin-centric, IMHO.

Have you done anything to organise something outside of Dublin?

Darragh29

MG wrote: »

I don't think anyone protesting tomorrow gets it.

If any of these people did any of the following, then they were complicit in the mismanagement of the country so are hypocrites.

Anyone who voted Fianna Fail in 2006
Regulators
Unions who pressed for benchmarking and their members
Anyone who took out a 100% mortgage
Anyone who inflated their income to get mortgage approval
Anyone who bought BTL
Most people who used equity release
Anyone who borrowed excessively for day to day expenses
Anyone who said “renting is dead money”
Anyone who complained about people “talking down the economy”
There are probably more...............

I'm seeing the same aloof attitude coming from people who are not marching tomorrow, that I previously saw coming from the folks who advocated a YES vote on Lisbon. The same intransigent, indifferent and aloof mentality seems to be shining from the people who see no value in protesting tomorrow.

(1) Renting is and has always been, dead money. You are paying someone elses mortgage, why would you choose to do that???

(2) Your point on anyone who took out a 100% mortgage is rediculous. If people did this, it was because they usually had to do it. What have you got to say about people who bought 2-10 houses, thereby artifically forcing up the cost of property and f*cking up the economy??? You seem to have little if nothing to say about these parasites.

sdanseo

MG wrote: »

I don't think anyone protesting tomorrow gets it.

If any of these people did any of the following, then they were complicit in the mismanagement of the country so are hypocrites.

Anyone who voted Fianna Fail in 2006
Regulators
Unions who pressed for benchmarking and their members
Anyone who took out a 100% mortgage
Anyone who inflated their income to get mortgage approval
Anyone who bought BTL
Most people who used equity release
Anyone who borrowed excessively for day to day expenses
Anyone who said “renting is dead money”
Anyone who complained about people “talking down the economy”
There are probably more...............

Wow, blame half the country why don't you. I doubt they all delibarately plotted or premeditated their actions with the sole aim of bringing the country to it's knees.

Get off your drama-queen's high horse and count to ten.

Dasilva94 wrote: »

I wish there were distributed protests in regional centres around the country in solidarity with the main Dublin protest. Not everybody can travel 160 miles plus at the drop of a hat, and you'd have the the advantage of a much larger turnout in toto.

This country is too Dublin-centric, IMHO.

It's the capital and the idea is to march on the Dáíl as seat of government. We could have a protest in Carrick-on-Shannon, but I don't see the turnout being massive tbh.

*Honey*

Dasilva94 wrote: »

I wish there were distributed protests in regional centres around the country in solidarity with the main Dublin protest. Not everybody can travel 160 miles plus at the drop of a hat, and you'd have the the advantage of a much larger turnout in toto.

This country is too Dublin-centric, IMHO.

A lot of the Unions are laying on buses for their members to be able to travel together - mine certainly is from at least 10 different counties.

The point is to show just how many people feel that the Government has done this all wrong - and how much it affects not just public service workers but their family and friends, any of whom work in any industry.

Dirk Gently

BroomBurner wrote: »

Btw, what a way to hijack the thread. It's about whos going to protest, not about your own agenda.

I think he has a valid point to be fair. All's well and good complaining about corporate greed and government mis management but greed and bad planning was rampant with individual citizens too. We all share responsibility for creating the bubble.

some personal reflection wouldn't go a miss while rightly protesting tomorrow. We were only given the offer of a credit economy, it was people themselves who actually accepted the offer and spent recklessly without thought of the consequences. Some peoples recklessness was just on a bigger scale.

*Honey*

I am, most definitely, going tomorrow as is my husband. My colleagues are bringing their spouses and children - because it shouldn't be forgotten that it's not just the actual worker that is being affected, but all their extended family.

I honestly believe this should be more than just about the pension levy - given nothing else seems to be happening for ordinary people to inform their representatives about their feelings, it's an opportunity for everyone to protest against the Government and the complete bollocks they've made of our country.

However, I have to say I'm disgusted at some people in my workplace... one actually said she's only working there for pocket money anyway and doesn't really care one way or the other - nothing like solidarity (can't stand her anyway !!!).

*Honey*

MG wrote: »

I don't think anyone protesting tomorrow gets it.

If any of these people did any of the following, then they were complicit in the mismanagement of the country so are hypocrites.

Anyone who voted Fianna Fail in 2006
Regulators
Unions who pressed for benchmarking and their members
Anyone who took out a 100% mortgage
Anyone who inflated their income to get mortgage approval
Anyone who bought BTL
Most people who used equity release
Anyone who borrowed excessively for day to day expenses
Anyone who said “renting is dead money”
Anyone who complained about people “talking down the economy”
There are probably more...............

Never did any of these, I must be a saint!

BroomBurner

clown bag wrote: »

I think he has a valid point to be fair. All's well and good complaining about corporate greed and government mis management but greed and bad planning was rampant with individual citizens too. We all share responsibility for creating the bubble.

some personal reflection wouldn't go a miss while rightly protesting tomorrow. We were only given the offer of a credit economy, it was people themselves who actually accepted the offer and spent recklessly without thought of the consequences. Some peoples recklessness was just on a bigger scale.

First off, this thread was asking who is going to be protesting tomorrow, not a place to make points about the pay, etc. There are plenty of other threads he/she can do that in.

Secondly, how very patronising to suggest "personal reflection" for those protesting. Perhaps they already have. Unfortunately for you, "people" is a rather collective term that can not be used to tar all with the one brush. Not everyone lived outside their means, etc. However, you can continue to believe whatever supports your arguements.

Darragh29

*Honey* wrote: »

However, I have to say I'm disgusted at some people in my workplace... one actually said she's only working there for pocket money anyway and doesn't really care one way or the other - nothing like solidarity (can't stand her anyway !!!).

Give her 12 months and see how smug she is. The good thing about this recession is that it will eventually come knocking on her door and bring her back down to reality with an almighty bang.

Dirk Gently

BroomBurner wrote: »

First off, this thread was asking who is going to be protesting tomorrow, not a place to make points about the pay, etc. There are plenty of other threads he/she can do that in.

Secondly, how very patronising to suggest "personal reflection" for those protesting. Perhaps they already have. Unfortunately for you, "people" is a rather collective term that can not be used to tar all with the one brush. Not everyone lived outside their means, etc. However, you can continue to believe whatever supports your arguements.

Get off your high horse, I wish all protesting tomorrow the best of luck. I just felt the poster made some valid points. I have seen a lot of hideous hypocrisy from people I know personally and obviously from the majority of society in their new found distaste for the current government and the credit / greed culture.

I wasn't making any argument, simply acknowledging a valid point made by another poster. I'll leave you to your thread now.

*Honey*

Darragh29 wrote: »

Give her 12 months and see how smug she is. The good thing about this recession is that it will eventually come knocking on her door and bring her back down to reality with an almighty bang.

Do I have to wait a whole 12 months? I'm thinking not.

BroomBurner

clown bag wrote: »

Get off your high horse, I wish all protesting tomorrow the best of luck. I just felt the poster made some valid points. I have seen a lot of hideous hypocrisy from people I know personally and obviously from the majority of society in their new found distaste for the current government and the credit / greed culture.

I wasn't making any argument, simply acknowledging a valid point made by another poster. I'll leave you to your thread now.

Fair enough, I just didn't take kindly to the "personal reflection" comment.

Dirk Gently

BroomBurner wrote: »

Fair enough, I just didn't take kindly to the "personal reflection" comment.

personal reflection is always a good thing, it's nothing personal

good luck tomorrow.

Permabear

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hughs

seangal wrote: »

who is going to protest in dublin tomorrow and why are you going?
i am going as a public servent but also to protest at the protection the fat cats are getting and to call for a change of goverement

No I will not be attending. The reality is that we need to dramatically reduce the level of public expenditure, the unions speak a populist rant about taxing the rich but I haven't heard any of them with practical solutions. The government could have gone down the road of sacking civil servants but instead opted for pay cuts. People need to realise that things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better, expect job losses to hit public service next year, this is just the start of it. Marching through the streets of Dublin with posters and shouting "billions for the banks, pay cuts for workers" while it be a good day out is not going to help things.

*Honey*

hughs wrote: »

The government could have gone down the road of sacking civil servants but instead opted for pay cuts.

Great idea... put more people on the dole, increase the costs the government have to meet... you sure you're not a TD??:rolleyes:

bobbyjoe

I am going tomorrow. Hope there is a massive turnout. Things are going to get a lot worse so I hope this gives the Gov the message that they can't go for the easy targets all the time.

hughs

Darragh29 wrote: »

I'm seeing the same aloof attitude coming from people who are not marching tomorrow, that I previously saw coming from the folks who advocated a YES vote on Lisbon. The same intransigent, indifferent and aloof mentality seems to be shining from the people who see no value in protesting tomorrow.

(1) Renting is and has always been, dead money. You are paying someone elses mortgage, why would you choose to do that???

(2) Your point on anyone who took out a 100% mortgage is rediculous. If people did this, it was because they usually had to do it. What have you got to say about people who bought 2-10 houses, thereby artifically forcing up the cost of property and f*cking up the economy??? You seem to have little if nothing to say about these parasites.

1 - Renting is not dead money, you get the use of a property for the period you pay the rent. It is amazing and worrying that there are still crazy people out there like you who still believe this. Let's say it's March 2006 and a couple decides they would like to live in a 2 bed apartment in Sandyford, they have the option of renting and paying say approx €1,300 per month or buying a 2 bed apartment in the area for €500K and take out a 100% mortgage. Move forward, it's now Jan 2009, the couple have been lucky to still both be in employment but are in negative equity, their apartment is probably worth at the very most €275K. This is what you call, DEAD MONEY.

2 - "Had to do it" - who forced them? Please expand? "Parasites" - I don't think you know what word means.