Baby-faced Bodybuilders on TV3 now - 9pm wednesday

jt_dublin

Think it might have been on before!

shamblertine

that kid Danny's form is shocking, swinging the dumbells about wildly.........think I might try that

rubadub

I saw it before, didn't notice his form, but many knowing swing weights up to get a slow negative without having to assist the dumbbell back up, dunno if he was doing that.

WolfForager

I was gonna watch it, but my xbox called to me

Was it any good? Might keep and eye out for it in future. As we all know, if tv3 haven't aired it 5 times then it's gonna come up again.

rubadub

There is a link to it on google video in this thread, and more comments
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055490198

there is only 1 guy worth watching, then there is a young lad & young girl just starting out, should have just shown the other guy. IIRC he was eating almost nothing but fish! Thought they would have gone into supps etc more.

delllat

rubadub wrote: »

There is a link to it on google video in this thread, and more comments
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055490198

there is only 1 guy worth watching, then there is a young lad & young girl just starting out, should have just shown the other guy. IIRC he was eating almost nothing but fish! Thought they would have gone into supps etc more.

he was unemployed and age 17 i think,social welfare in uk is 40 quid a week

maybe fish was the only thing he could afford

poor basterd was eating grilled fish about 6 times a day with practicaly nothing else to get ready for his contest

WolfForager

The 17 year old is bloody mad, can't believe he is 17! Fair *insert swear here* to him. I know i wouldn't be able to cut down on life's pleasures like he did.

The girl and boy were a bit boring, if it was a documentary just about the 17 year old and they explored more into the world of body building it would have been ace.

Anyone else think that 13 is way too young to be dieting and BBing? When he was measuring his arms and said that he was 12.7 and arnie was 22 i couldn't help but think that "Ye well Arnie didn't flex whilst measuring".

unreggd

I missed the first half but just watched it on Google

I thought it was good

Was surprised at the mother's opinions

The one saying its unhealthy when shes smokin a fag :P

abd the other one bein concerned of her son eatin loads of food [its usually the other way around]

Was interestin to see the girl being interested in bodybuilding

So many girls and women are afraid of it for all the wrong reasons

Good show!

iregk

I thought it was interesting enough although I would have preferred them to go more into the effects and motions you put your body under for the competitions. It showed it briefly how he dehydrated himself before a comp and his body cramping up afterwards. This would have been a much better basis to go on.

Fair play to Danny for sticking to his diet though, thats a level of dedication that I could never do. As he said, 8am, fish, 10: fish and a rice cake, 12: fish, 2: fish and rice cake, 4: fish, 6: fish and rice cake, 8: fish, 10: fish and rice cake.

That said it was interesting but I do think the 13 year old was way ahead of himself and really needed to cut down a touch.

JonnyC

unreggd wrote: »

I missed the first half but just watched it on Google

I thought it was good

Was surprised at the mother's opinions

The one saying its unhealthy when shes smokin a fag :P

abd the other one bein concerned of her son eatin loads of food [its usually the other way around]

Was interestin to see the girl being interested in bodybuilding

So many girls and women are afraid of it for all the wrong reasons

Good show!

Afraid of what? They should be afraid. Girls should be fit and toned and not look like that.

What women in her right mind would want to look like that heavy weight body builder from Scotland. No wonder people look at here like a freak show.

Biff11

Did anyone see the programmeel 4 at 10? The worlds strongest child and me

It had 7 year old "power lifters" in the USA as well as looking at a father in the Ukraine living his dreams through his daughters. He had weights on his daughters arms and legs from the age of 5 DAYS!!!!

It was crazy!

Malteaser!

Biff11 wrote: »

Did anyone see the programmeel 4 at 10? The worlds strongest child and me

It had 7 year old "power lifters" in the USA as well as looking at a father in the Ukraine living his dreams through his daughters. He had weights on his daughters arms and legs from the age of 5 DAYS!!!!

It was crazy!

I was watching that one as well, thought it was much better than the one on TV3. The father of the kid in the Ukraine was bloody crazy, he had the three year old squatting 18kg and all she wanted to do was go play with her toys.

I thought it was funny how they made a point of saying the sisters were drug free but then kept going on about how deep their voices were afterwards.

dave80

iregk wrote: »

It showed it briefly how he dehydrated himself before a comp and his body cramping up afterwards.

They cut the bit out where he was hospitalised after going on the gargle straight after the show

Money Shot

Malteaser! wrote: »

I was watching that one as well, thought it was much better than the one on TV3. The father of the kid in the Ukraine was bloody crazy, he had the three year old squatting 18kg and all she wanted to do was go play with her toys.

I thought it was funny how they made a point of saying the sisters were drug free but then kept going on about how deep their voices were afterwards.

That was very, very sad. He had a journal of her training that started from when she was a week old when he attached tiny weights to her arms and legs with cloth. The other powerlifting dad high fiving his son when he made his squat and then not even looking at him when he had his fail.

I found the other show disturbing in that I hate seeing young kids 13/14 so obsessed with their appearance that it completely dominates everything they do - a wasted childhood. It's exactly the same as kids starving themselves to get thinner and thinner, and they will never be thin enough.

I'll never understand bodybuilding as a 'sport' - fake tan, dieting and posing.

moonpeg

The young girl seemed to talk about body building alot and look up to body builders but not actually do much about it. ie she didn't seem to train alot and she was wolfing into a chipper at one stage

WolfForager

moonpeg wrote: »

The young girl seemed to talk about body building alot and look up to body builders but not actually do much about it. ie she didn't seem to train alot and she was wolfing into a chipper at one stage

She was probably in her "bulking" phase. Eat as much **** as you can until you reach your desired weight.

unreggd

JonnyC wrote: »

Afraid of what? They should be afraid. Girls should be fit and toned and not look like that

What women in her right mind would want to look like that heavy weight body builder from Scotland. No wonder people look at here like a freak show.

Just because you say so?

If you actually listened to it, you woulda seen that the scottish woman was already tall and big framed, and competed in a different category from what the girl would want to do

My point is she wants to do it and she's not gonna let the stigma and other peoples negativity stop her

JMCD

The one on Channel 4 was much better. Although it was disgraceful. Kids been pushed into doing something that didnt want to do!

And as for that father putting weights on his babies feet and arms and keeping a training log from the way she was born!:eek::eek:

Just another example of parets living their own dreams through their kids!

JonnyC

unreggd wrote: »

Just because you say so?

If you actually listened to it, you woulda seen that the scottish woman was already tall and big framed, and competed in a different category from what the girl would want to do

My point is she wants to do it and she's not gonna let the stigma and other peoples negativity stop her

That Scottish one was talll and big framed yes but she is not natural looking, a freak show really, a athletic and toned look is prob a lot better and healthier. How much drugs/supplements was she taking. In my book it is in the same league as anorexia. Bring drinking before comp and just eating protein foods is something that should have a stigma associated with it

Vegeta

JonnyC wrote: »

That Scottish one was talll and big framed yes but she is not natural looking, a freak show really, a athletic and toned look is prob a lot better and healthier. How much drugs/supplements was she taking. In my book it is in the same league as anorexia. Bring drinking before comp and just eating protein foods is something that should have a stigma associated with it

Isn't your opinion proof enough that there is a stigma associated with it?

JonnyC

Vegeta wrote: »

Isn't your opinion proof enough that there is a stigma associated with it?

Yes in my opinion there should be a stigma with it. It can not be good for you mentally or physically. Personally that 17 looked and prob felt a lot better before he started on the cutting part of his training.

jethrodublin

JonnyC wrote: »

Yes in my opinion there should be a stigma with it. It can not be good for you mentally or physically. Personally that 17 looked and prob felt a lot better before he started on the cutting part of his training.

yeah exactly the "part" of the training. his life isn't lead like this, just the diet.

a boxer leaves him family, goes up a mountain and does close to the same thing thru a high alt training regime. but he's a hero.

avril is a physique girl, its opinions based on non understanding of the sport like yours that gives it its "stigma"

delllat

the funniest part of that program was when the little girl went to meet the pro female bodybuilder and she said she liked how they still look "girly" whilst being strong

the female bodybuilder looked like a cross between a large drag queen and the incredible hulk

hilarious

g'em

Jeebus. Ftr:

Female bodybuilder: Lisa Auckland



Not feminine.

Female figure/ fitness competitors: Jamie Eason



Jelena Abbou:



Both very feminine, very sexy.


All require heavy lifting and exceptional diets to look that way. One will also involve high levels of anabolic steroid use. Spot-prize for the person who guesses which one correctly... :rolleyes:

Jimmy Bottlehead

g'em wrote: »

Jeebus. Ftr:

Female bodybuilder: Lisa Auckland



Not feminine.

Female figure/ fitness competitors: Jamie Eason



Jelena Abbou:



Both very feminine, very sexy.


All require heavy lifting and exceptional diets to look that way. One will also involve high levels of anabolic steroid use. Spot-prize for the person who guesses which one correctly... :rolleyes:

My life was incomplete before Ms. Abbou was introduced.

I thank you G'em

dave80

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

My life was incomplete before Ms. Abbou was introduced.

I thank you G'em

I go with Ms Eason meself

g'em

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

My life was incomplete before Ms. Abbou was introduced.

dave80 wrote: »

I go with Ms Eason meself

Feic off both of you, I saw them first. Jeebus, I'd turn in a heartbeat for either one

delllat

http://nynerd.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/body_builder_chick_8.jpg

this ones freaky....:eek:

Roper

But G'em I read on another thread that top bodybuilders never use steroids? Oh this forum has me all conflustered.

g'em

Roper wrote: »

But G'em I read on another thread that top bodybuilders never use steroids? Oh this forum has me all conflustered.

Who said that?

Many (most?) male bodybuilders use gear. Female bodybuilders use gear.

Figure/ Fitness girls aren't quite so clear-cut. It's possible to achieve those figures naturally but at top levels many will use PEDs but not usually high levels of AAS to achieve those physiques - mostly diuretics, maybe some GH, maybe some Deca to increase lean mass, but nowhere near the same level of anabolics as BBers.

Roper

I was joking, there was some thread a while back with someone trying to defend anabolics usage in bodybuilders and someone said that most bodybuilders didn't use steroids.

As an activity, I think bodybuilding is pretty dumb but it's not society's greatest evil. My missus reckons it's a pursuit for short men to try to make them feel big

These shows twist and turn and try to make the worst of the most innocent things.

Running Bing

unreggd wrote: »

Just because you say so?

If you actually listened to it, you woulda seen that the scottish woman was already tall and big framed, and competed in a different category from what the girl would want to do

My point is she wants to do it and she's not gonna let the stigma and other peoples negativity stop her

Well did the women she went to see have a natural physique and if not do you think that is healthy and something to be encouraged?


Do you think it is wrong to stigmatise somebody like Lisa Auckland in the photo posted above? Smokers are stigmatised, heavy drinkers are stigmatised and imo it just as valid to stigmatise somebody like Lisa Auckland.


If the young girl wants to lift weights and get strong and toned and healthy like Jelena Abbou thats great but do you believe we should be encouraging young girls to go down the anabolic route?

g'em

Roper wrote: »

I was joking, there was some thread a while back with someone trying to defend anabolics usage in bodybuilders and someone said that most bodybuilders didn't use steroids.

Ah ok. that's what I thought but I've given up making assumptions about when you're joking

Roper wrote:

As an activity, I think bodybuilding is pretty dumb but it's not society's greatest evil.

Dumber than voluntarily knocking seven shades of nasty out of someone in a cage for the sh!ts and giggles?

Roper wrote:

My missus reckons it's a pursuit for short men to try to make them feel big

And how do the tall guys who get on stage factor into that?

unreggd

Babybing wrote: »

Well did the women she went to see have a natural physique and if not do you think that is healthy and something to be encouraged?

Do you mean natural or socially acceptable?
Theres no way of telling if they got so big by taking drugs. Yes, its likely, but not definite
You're judgin her with the highest end of the scale, and she wouldnt even be goin down that route, as was stated, she'd be doing figure/physique

Do you think it is wrong to stigmatise somebody like Lisa Auckland in the photo posted above? Smokers are stigmatised, heavy drinkers are stigmatised and imo it just as valid to stigmatise somebody like Lisa Auckland

Bodybuilding on its own isnt unhealthy. Some people take different measure to reach their goals, ie drugs, and those unnatural means are what should be stigmatised

Smokers and drinkers arent stigmatised, its acceptable because more people than less smoke and drink
But smoking and heavy drinking themselves are unhealthy. Theres no healthy way to smoke, or be an alco. Also, both affect other people around you

If the young girl wants to lift weights and get strong and toned and healthy like Jelena Abbou thats great but do you believe we should be encouraging young girls to go down the anabolic route?

No, its not about encouraging drug use. NOT ALL BBers TAKE DRUGS! Even if its the majority, its still not everyone

As nice as they are, theres no saying that Abbou or Eason didnt take drugs to add some mass and shed some fat

Running Bing

unreggd wrote: »

Do you mean natural or socially acceptable?
Theres no way of telling if they got so big by taking drugs. Yes, its likely, but not definite
You're judgin her with the highest end of the scale, and she wouldnt even be goin down that route, as was stated, she'd be doing figure/physique

Hence my comment "If the young girl wants to lift weights and get strong and toned and healthy like Jelena Abbou thats great"

Bodybuilding on its own isnt unhealthy. Some people take different measure to get there, ie drugs, and those unnatural means are what should be stigmatised

Agree 100%. We're on the same wavelength so. I just think it is very obvious how somebody like Lisa Auckland got to the shape she is in and that should not be encouraged.

Smokers and drinkers arent stigmatised, because more people than less smoke and drink
But smoking and heavy drinking themselves are unhealthy. Theres no healthy way to smoke, or be an alco

I disagree that smoking and heavy drinking are not stigmatised but thats another debate. You say they are in themselves unhealthy, so is a women taking large quantities on anabolic steroids to get into the shape Lisa Auckland is in.

No problem with females lifting weights my issue is with women taking drugs to get to unnatural levels.

No, its not about encouraging drug use. NOT ALL BBers TAKE DRUGS! Even if its the majority, its still not everyone

Agreed. I admire and respect natural BBers.

As nice as they are, theres no saying that Abbou or Eason didnt take drugs to add some mass and shed some fat

Fair point. There's no telling what athletes are or are not on drugs but if we are talking about role models there are those who are very obviously on drugs and those you have to give the benefit of the doubt to. I would not like a young girl to have a role model who is most obviously taking something.

Roper

g'em wrote: »

Ah ok. that's what I thought but I've given up making assumptions about when you're joking

Dumber than voluntarily knocking seven shades of nasty out of someone in a cage for the sh!ts and giggles?

And how do the tall guys who get on stage factor into that?

I never joke.... or DO I?

Bodybuilding gets equated with fitness, which I believe is wrong. I can't think of too many less healthy "fitness" activities for a young man to get involved in than trying to make himself as big as a house by any means neccessary. I respect dedication to anything, but even the most ardent BBing fan must accept that steroid use is not just a footnote in BB training, but a neccessary part of it. So yeah, I think it's dumb.

Dumber than being a fighter? Your hyperbolic description aside, there's not too many defences for people saying you're dumb when you volunteer to have someone try to hit you. But a lot more people get good health and fitness and confidence out of training than just the small percentage of morons like me who actually want the challenge of competing. 90% of people in my gym will never compete, so yes I think that's not dumb.

As for the last bit, I don't know, you'd have to ask her.

Procasinator

Roper wrote: »

I never joke.... or DO I?
Dumber than being a fighter? Your hyperbolic description aside, there's not too many defences for people saying you're dumb when you volunteer to have someone try to hit you. But a lot more people get good health and fitness and confidence out of training than just the small percentage of morons like me who actually want the challenge of competing. 90% of people in my gym will never compete, so yes I think that's not dumb.

Personally I also think the ability to defend yourself is a more useful skill then looking symetrical and shiny on a stage.

I mean, who here can't beat up Markus Rühl! :P

g'em

Roper wrote: »

I never joke.... or DO I?

But is it a joke if no-one laughs?

Bodybuilding gets equated with fitness, which I believe is wrong. I can't think of too many less healthy "fitness" activities for a young man to get involved in than trying to make himself as big as a house by any means neccessary. I respect dedication to anything, but even the most ardent BBing fan must accept that steroid use is not just a footnote in BB training, but a necessary part of it. So yeah, I think it's dumb.

Steroid use can be considered a necessary part of BBing competing but not training. Just as you've said, 90% of blokes who train like fighters will never compete, the same can be said for guys who train like BBers but never get on stage. They want to get big, but few of them will automatically go using AAS just because they consider themselves BBers.

This is a defensive reaction from me, for sure, but I don't like seeing blanket and unqualified statements like

Roper wrote:

I think bodybuilding is pretty dumb

unreggd

Babybing wrote: »

Hence my comment "If the young girl wants to lift weights and get strong and toned and healthy like Jelena Abbou thats great"

Agree 100%. We're on the same wavelength so. I just think it is very obvious how somebody like Lisa Auckland got to the shape she is in and that should not be encouraged

Agreed. 99% likely she was on gear, but again, not definite. Genetics play a big part too

I disagree that smoking and heavy drinking are not stigmatised but thats another debate. You say they are in themselves unhealthy, so is a women taking large quantities on anabolic steroids to get into the shape Lisa Auckland is in

Yes, it is stigmatized, but not really to a large extent. But I think its right to be stigmatized, as I said, theres no healthy way to smoke or drink heavy, and things like second hand smoke can affect other people around you, without them havin a say really

No problem with females lifting weights my issue is with women taking drugs to get to unnatural levels

True, so Bodybuilding for women shouldnt be ruled out / stigmatized full stop
Bein big isnt just about looks. It shows hard work, determination & personal strength
Theres less of a stigma with men [who mostly take drugs too] because men with muscles = attractive

Fair point. There's no telling what athletes are or are not on drugs but if we are talking about role models there are those who are very obviously on drugs and those you have to give the benefit of the doubt to. I would not like a young girl to have a role model who is most obviously taking something.

Agree, but they should be encouraged to reach that size naturally
Its very hard, yes, but not impossible with no drugs

Sort of like "Sky's the limit, not the ceiling"

aare

I watched this program, and I have to say that, apart from the specific nature of his diet, and the shape of him, I could not spot any difference between Danny and an anorexic or a bulimic...

One of the coaches (or similar) even explained that some of the feelings Danny expressed were body dysmorphia (also referred to as a more specific variant called muscle dysmorphia) and discussed it, fairly knowledgeably, as if it was a common aspect of body-building...and "no big deal" - where psychiatrists tend to regard it as a chronic condition that is a major suicide risk, but, mercifully, only estimated to affect 1-2% of the population.

Pardon me if I found that absolutely chilling.

He looked like a nice kid to me, he even seemed quite smart and sensible, in other ways. I get the feeling he will sacrifice his whole life to this, for however long he has a life.

WolfForager

I thouhgt he had muscle dysmorphia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia

Doesn't seem as serious as body dysmoprhia.

Jimmy Bottlehead

aare wrote: »

I watched this program, and I have to say that, apart from the specific nature of his diet, and the shape of him, I could not spot any difference between Danny and an anorexic or a bulimic...

One of the coaches (or similar) even explained that some of the feelings Danny expressed were body dysmorphia (also referred to as a more specific variant called muscle dysmorphia) and discussed it, fairly knowledgeably, as if it was a common aspect of body-building...and "no big deal" - where psychiatrists tend to regard it as a chronic condition that is a major suicide risk, but, mercifully, only estimated to affect 1-2% of the population.

Pardon me if I found that absolutely chilling.

He looked like a nice kid to me, he even seemed quite smart and sensible, in other ways. I get the feeling he will sacrifice his whole life to this, for however long he has a life.

Naahh, he just has what all (mainly gym going guys) have, which is good and bad days / parts of the day.

I still feel skinny, despite being fairly well built. I'd complain about my arms and such one day, then after a workout I'd be quite happy with them.

He seemed to be the same. Its more a high level of self-awareness than an actual obsession.

aare

WolfForager wrote: »

I thouhgt he had muscle dysmorphia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_dysmorphia

Doesn't seem as serious as body dysmoprhia.

Like anorexia or bulimia, it's a sub-type of body dysmorphia, rather than more, or less, serious. I didn't realise there was a seperate article for it at first. Though it is nowhere near as detailed or complete.

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Naahh, he just has what all (mainly gym going guys) have, which is good and bad days / parts of the day.

I still feel skinny, despite being fairly well built. I'd complain about my arms and such one day, then after a workout I'd be quite happy with them.

He seemed to be the same. Its more a high level of self-awareness than an actual obsession.

I dunno...I have been around a lot of years, and met a lot of people, and he didn't seem "normal range" to me at all.

Of course, you have to allow for the fact that they probably spent a week or so following him around with cameras and had so much tape they could edit it almost any way they liked, and they may have "spun" it.

I agree with you that he was very self aware (that was where his intelligence, and sense, showed), but there is a whole world of difference between being self-aware and being psychologically and emotionally healthy...

Incidentally, I did some research into extreme body dysmorphia years ago, and one of the more curious features of a significant number of sufferers was that, in any psychological evaluation, they were coming up "normal range" in every other way apart from their specific dysmorphic obsession...

Roper

g'em wrote: »

But is it a joke if no-one laughs?

You don't know me too well so it' okay to get that one wrong. It's ONLY a joke when I laugh.

Steroid use can be considered a necessary part of BBing competing but not training. Just as you've said, 90% of blokes who train like fighters will never compete, the same can be said for guys who train like BBers but never get on stage. They want to get big, but few of them will automatically go using AAS just because they consider themselves BBers.

Perhaps, but my point is that where does that lead you if you're one of them?

This is a defensive reaction from me, for sure, but I don't like seeing blanket and unqualified statements like

I thought the "I think" in my statement was the qualifier. It's only my opinion no one has to agree.