Releasing the Ripper! Crazy British Government Nutters!

Biggins

The British justice system has shown it self yet again to be a complete farce that it often is.
While they are releasing The Yorkshire Ripper who killer 13 women and tried to kill 7 others that we know of, they are, at the same time, keeping an near 80 year old sick man (Ronnie Biggs) in jail for now over a crime of lesser importance which he did 40 years ago!
Where is the bloody brain of the assholes in the British justice system!

Story links:

Ripper: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1148522/Yorkshire-Ripper-fit-released-Broadmoor.html

Biggs: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1148207/Biggs-free-Great-Train-Robber-released-summer-80th-birthday.html

funk-you

Stop reading the daily mail and you might chill out and not get so worked up over stuff that doesn't affect your life. You might even get some....possibly.

-Funk

Kess73

He would get killed on the outside methinks.

kowloon

But he's such a cheeky chappy, you can't help but forgive the carnage.

Robbo

Biggins, it's not like you or the Mail to try and sensationalise something, is it?

He's not being released and probably won't be. He's been reclassified and maybe moved to a different prison. No Home Secretary in their right mind would sign off on releasing Sutcliffe.

If you're so hung up on law and order, how come you're standing behind an armed robber who revelled in his "celebrity" status for years?

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

The British justice system has shown it self yet again to be a complete farce that it often is.
While they are releasing The Yorkshire Ripper
Ripper: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1148522/Yorkshire-

Just wondering....where does it say they're releasing him?

stovelid

I never follow links that start with www.dailymail.co.uk

I find that my life is much improved as a result.

Robbo

kowloon wrote: »

But he's such a cheeky chappy, you can't help but forgive the carnage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNo8sgF8FTo

"And I really am so very truly sorry!"

Biggins

funk-you wrote: »

Stop reading the daily mail and you might chill out and not get so worked up over stuff that doesn't affect your life. You might even get some....possibly.

-Funk

Duh! Its in nearly every paper! :rolleyes:
I provided links to back up my words - not to advertise the comic called "The Mail!"

Was listening to the London BBC service this morning and they were saying that he was being trained to get used to outside life again.
They are re-educating him again to use shops and libraries, etc.

General Zod

He's in a high security psychiatric hospital. if he's been rehabilitated, should he still be kept in a high security psychiatric hospital?

He'll go back into the medium security prison.

He was sentenced to a minimum of 30 years. so in 2011 years he's eligible for parole.


wether that ever gets granted is another story altogether.

r3nu4l

Biggins, he has been recommended as fit for release, that does not mean he will be released. It's just another process within the British justice system. While I'm no fan of British justice, as Funk You said, stop reading rags like the Daily Mail!

Also, nobody has requested the release of Ronnie Biggs.

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

Duh! Its in nearly every paper! :rolleyes:
I provided links to back up my words -

And fair play to ye for makin the effort.

Its just that it doesn't say they're releasing him.

Wreck

Yet another example of people not even reading the article they linked to. I know it's the Daily Mail, but if you are goning to link to it you might as well read it.

Nowhere does it say Suttcliffe is to be released from prison, and the British Government have nothing to do with his change in status to low risk.

One terrible newspaper wrote:

Doctors at the top security hospital have told lawyers ... that he was no longer dangerous

one terrible newspaper wrote:

If Justice Secretary Jack Straw agrees with the classification, it could see him moved to a medium-security facility and eventually released,

Edit: Ok so I was a bit slow replying and several other posters have pointed these things out in the meantime so I'm going to go with an AH response instead.

Of course Sutcliffe should be released, the only people he killed were hookers and other sluts. SHouldn't even count as murder in my book.

big b

Frack me, there's someone standing in that greenhouse & he has a handful of stones.............

can't see why this would get ya started Biggins, but then I've never really got into the whole obsession with neighbours thing

Biggins

Nodin wrote: »

And fair play to ye for makin the effort.

Its just that it doesn't say they're releasing him.

Then why the re-training according to the staff at the prison?

My main point centers around the madness of even think about releasing a person that has KILLED 13 people and keeping in jail an now old man for a non-killing crime he did 40 years ago!

Where is the sense, thats all...

(O' and by the way, they will give him a new identity - move him elsewhere - previous new identities have shown up in Ireland. One in Kells for example! She, the killer from England - had to be removed again when she became exposed)

stovelid

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Robbo

Biggins wrote: »

Then why the re-training according to the staff at the prison?

My main point centers around the madness of even think about releasing a person that has KILLED 13 people and keeping in jail an now old man for a non-killing crime he did 40 years ago!

Where is the sense, thats all...

(O' and by the way, they will give him a new identity - move him elsewhere - previous new identities have shown up in Ireland. One in Kells for example! She, the killer from England - had to be removed again when she became exposed)

Perhaps, to put him on a par with Biggs he could celebrate his crimes? Perhaps operate sightseeing tours in a HGV or sell some tshirts on pubcrawls?

"I got hammered with Sutcliffe"

funk-you

Biggins wrote: »

Duh! Its in nearly every paper! :rolleyes:
I provided links to back up my words - not to advertise the comic called "The Mail!"

Very poor choice. Sensationalist crap. Seems to have done it's job though.

Wreck wrote: »

Of course Sutcliffe should be released, the only people he killed were hookers and other sluts. SHouldn't even count as murder in my book.

Ooooh....controversial! I like it. Wimminz, get him!

-Funk

matrim

Biggins wrote: »

Then why the re-training according to the staff at the prison?

My main point centers around the madness of even think about releasing a person that has KILLED 13 people and keeping in jail an now old man for a non-killing crime he did 40 years ago!

Where is the sense, thats all...

(O' and by the way, they will give him a new identity - move him elsewhere - previous new identities have shown up in Ireland. One in Kells for example! She, the killer from England - had to be removed again when she became exposed)

The old man is in jail now because he didn't serve his time when he was supposed to

Biggs was sentenced to 30 years for his part in the robbery of a Glasgow to London mail train in August 1963 when a 15-strong gang made off with £2.6million in used banknotes.

After just 15 months behind bars, he escaped from Wandsworth prison by scaling a wall with a rope ladder and jumping on to an open-top furniture van with a mattress inside to break his fall.

Seriously ill after a series of strokes which required urgent medical care, he returned to Britain voluntarily in 2001 after more than three decades on the run in Australia and Brazil. He was imprisoned in Belmarsh high security jail in south-east London.

He is set to be released later this year.
So he has served about 10 years (out of a 30 year sentence) for robbing a train for a large amount of money then flaunting the law by escaping and going on the run

Biggins

funk-you wrote: »

Very poor choice. Sensationalist crap. Seems to have done it's job though.

-Funk

This is sad but true - then again simplified versions have to be supplied to those of low mental capacity that think its ok to murder women based just on their profession!

Biggs deserved to be in Jail for what he did - but in Justice, there is also supposed to be compassion based on the crimes they did.
Biggs has at most a few months left. According to the doctors, he won't make it to the time even of his parole hearing. His family should be let have their final days with him.

That would be the more compassionate thing to do. He will by the way, be of a lesser risk to the community as well!

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

Then why the re-training according to the staff at the prison?)

No idea. Doesn't mean he's going to be released though.

Biggins wrote: »

My main point centers around the madness of even think about releasing a person that has KILLED 13 people

.....who was diagnosed with a severe mental illness three years after being convicted, and was sent to the appropriate institution. Should he no longer be suffering from that illness, or have recovered to some extent, then its entirely appropriate that he be reassessed and sent to a less secure prison, to make room for more dangerous individuals.

Biggins

Nodin wrote: »

...who was diagnosed with a severe mental illness three years after being convicted, and was sent to the appropriate institution. Should he no longer be suffering from that illness, or have recovered to some extent, then its entirely appropriate that he be reassessed and sent to a less secure prison, to make room for more dangerous individuals.

Sadly, his doctors report he will ONLY be of a lesser risk IF he keeps remembering to take his drugs daily.
Should that chance be taken? The words "Russian Roulette" spring to mind...

AnonoBoy

Conspiracy Ahoy!

http://www.yorkshireripper.co.uk/

One of Ireland's favourite mentalists Noel O'Gara claims the real Yorkshire Ripper used to work for him in Athlone.

I remember him rattling on about that one on the radio once when he was supposed to be talking about the park in Ranelagh that he was trying to turn into a carpark.

Ann22

I read an interview with Sutcliffe in a Sunday paper a couple of years ago. Seems he's aged quite a bit, his hair's grey and he has a pot belly. He's been blinded in one eye as he was stabbed by another prisoner with a pencil. The reporter said his eyes were like twin pieces of coal, soulless...that gave me the creeps. He's probably get a new identity and all that if released. (interestingly, that chap who played Les Battersby in Corrie found one of his victims, it took a long time for him to get over it).

Wreck

Biggins wrote: »

This is sad but true - then again simplified versions have to be supplied to those of low mental capacity that think its ok to murder women based just on their profession!

Lol at you insinuating I'm dumb when pretty much everything you've posted in this thread lacks any understanding or evidence of a rational thought process.

Biggins

Repairs had to be done recently to the prison where he was kept.
One of the staff there mentioned on radio that Sutcliff stared for six solid hours at the man doing the work, never shifting, moving or anything. Not even for hunger. He just stared at the workman for six solid hours non-stop.

Now I take it that he was on his what is now, "normal" routine of drugs now.
If that is still one of the effects/behavioural aspects still within him - even considering his release should be re-thought and remember, this is after the years gone by already and he's still acting strange according to the staff at the prison to have to deal with his minute by minute, hour by hour.
Not like the doctors who only see him at (their or his) visiting times.

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

Sadly, his doctors report he will ONLY be of a lesser risk IF he keeps remembering to take his drugs daily.
...

...which means its less likely he'll be released anytime soon. As he's blind in one eye, and has little sight in the other, the odds are that if ever comes out, he'll be in no position to threaten anyone.

Biggins

Nodin wrote: »

...which means its less likely he'll be released any time soon. As he's blind in one eye, and has little sight in the other, the odds are that if ever comes out, he'll be in no position to threaten anyone.

This is true. We can only hope - for the sake of all females.

Wreck

Biggins wrote: »

Repairs had to be done recently to the prison where he was kept.
One of the staff there mentioned on radio that Sutcliff stared for six solid hours at the man doing the work, never shifting, moving or anything. Not even for hunger. He just stared at the workman for six solid hours non-stop.

Now I take it that he was on his what is now, "normal" routine of drugs now.
If that is still one of the effects/behavioural aspects still within him - even considering his release should be re-thought and remember, this is after the years gone by already and he's still acting strange according to the staff at the prison to have to deal with his minute by minute, hour by hour.
Not like the doctors who only see him at (their or his) visiting times.

Yeah, because the anecdotal evidence of a repair guy and the opinion of highly educated and trained medical professionals should be given the same consideration:rolleyes: Broadmoor is a high-security psychiatric hospital, with plenty of doctors and other mental health professionals working there and Sutcliffe is probably under supervision most of the time. But you want to listen to some workman who in all likelihood grossly exagerated any contact he had with Sutcliffe.

Biggins

Wreck wrote: »

...But you want to listen to some workman who in all likelihood grossly exaggerated any contact he had with Sutcliffe.

...One of the staff there...

Thanks for jumping to conclusions too :rolleyes:. It was a high ranking prison warden (with years of experience in deal with such prisoners) that was expressing their urgent concern!
...But don't let that get in the way of re-interpreting/twisting my words to get your view across.

Wreck

Biggins wrote: »

Thanks for jumping to conclusions too :rolleyes:. It was a high ranking prison warden (with years of experience in deal with such prisoners) that was expressing their urgent concern!
...But don't let that get in the way of re-interpreting/twisting my words to get your view across.

Ok fair enough I misunderstood your post but in fairness it wasn't clear that it was a high ranking prison warden (with years of experience in deal with such prisoners) who described this behaviour. But the fact remains, the people who are best able to judge Sutcliffe's risk to the public are the doctors and other mental health professionals who deal with him on an ongoing basis. This second guessing of their diagnosis based on reports in the media is hilarious.

Biggins

Wreck wrote: »

Ok fair enough I misunderstood your post but in fairness it wasn't clear that it was a high ranking prison warden (with years of experience in deal with such prisoners) who described this behaviour. But the fact remains, the people who are best able to judge Sutcliffe's risk to the public are the doctors and other mental health professionals who deal with him on an ongoing basis. This second guessing of their diagnosis based on reports in the media is hilarious.

Absolute truth in what you say above (not however in the prior comment about when it's ok to kill females - but I take that to be just an AH joke and leave it at that).

My mentioning the whole subject is because of the yet again injustice of the British system and its unfairness that remember, has put in jail for life terms many of our own country men (who were later shown to be innocent).

Compassion directed at the right areas and people it seems is still misguided to this very day in England. I'm not saying also that we are more perfect here but point out that if things/instances are allowed to go un-highlighted then such misguided actions will continue.

Only by shining a light on such things can lessons be learned by many, in every country!
...or as they say "History is doomed to repeat itself!"