SOME PICTURES FROM THE SCLUMPH COLLECTION OF BUGATTIS

chevyv8

these are just some of the pictures i took way back in 1982 in the french national automobile museum ,it was the sclumph collection,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

carchaeologist

Great pics!!Always liked the lines of these..

chevyv8

AND A FEW MORE PICTURES..,,,,,,,,,,.

carchaeologist

Imagine the value of all that!!

carlosfandango

Sweet holy mother of jeebus!

That is one incredible set of pictures you have there chevyV8.
An excellent post!

CFD

Kevin_Herron

Some great pictures there Liam.
Its great that you got to see it so soon after it opened.

The museum has unfortunetly been somewhat modernised in recent years so its not exactly the way the Schlumpf brothers had intended it being seen!

chevyv8

carlosfandango wrote: »

Sweet holy mother of jeebus!

That is one incredible set of pictures you have there chevyV8.
An excellent post!

CFD

and there is hundreds more but it would take forever to put up. i seen this collection way back in 82 /83. it was unbelievable then , whats it worth now. seen the bugatti royal in birmingham 2 yrs back , is it in private hands now , does anybody know .there was about 200 cars out back in that museum that had to go on display when i was there,there was 2 cars of irish reg on display in the museum when i was there, read the history of the collection and you will find it amazing. glad you liked the pictures.

carchaeologist

there was 2 cars of irish reg on display in the museum when i was there

Irish reg bugattis?

chevyv8

carchaeologist wrote: »

Imagine the value of all that!!

how about millions upon millions upon millions, considering what one bugatti sold for over the weekend .....3.5 million for one car. how does that wreck your head trying to work out what that collection is worth.:D

carchaeologist

chevyv8 wrote: »

how about millions upon millions upon millions, considering what one bugatti sold for over the weekend .....3.5 million for one car. how does that wreck your head trying to work out what that collection is worth.:D

You would want a good alarm,door bolts and insurance.:D
Imagine ringing up trying to get a quote for garage insurance.."what have you?" "Oh about 100 million quids worth of cars..." "beeeeeeeep.....:p"

Kevin_Herron

The 3 Royales from the Schlumpf collection still reside there in Mulhouse.

I think the one in the NEC was from the Sinnheim museum?

Ther were 5 of them on display at the Festival of Speed a few years back.

chevyv8

carchaeologist wrote: »

Irish reg bugattis?

no , not bugattis but other makes of motors.besides bugattis there were jaguars, mercs, daimlers, renaults, lotus, and names never heard off.:D
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Dades

Man, that was some 'barn find' !!

PaulK_CCI

carchaeologist wrote: »

Irish reg bugattis?

I know of at least 1 Irish reg Bugatti, a T37A ...

we registered it in Ireland last year for a customer, but the car is kept in France...

Kevin_Herron

There were at one stage several Irish registered Bugattis here.

Pagoda113

Great Pictures, nice to see some of the collection again. It is still an amazing museum and well worth a visit. I was there 3 years ago and I spent a full day there..

What Irish Registered car's were there ?

I was in the Mercedes Benz museum around the same time - 3 years ago and there was an Irish registered Benz (IO - 68). It was found in a bog in the midlands several years beforehand..

MercMad

Pagoda113 wrote: »

Great Pictures, nice to see some of the collection again. It is still an amazing museum and well worth a visit. I was there 3 years ago and I spent a full day there..

What Irish Registered car's were there ?

I was in the Mercedes Benz museum around the same time - 3 years ago and there was an Irish registered Benz (IO - 68). It was found in a bog in the midlands several years beforehand..

.......yeah it was restored by Denis Dowdall for MDL and featured in the Club Gazette.

This photos are fantastic, not just because of the collection of cars, but the fact that the photos are now 27 years old or so and the collection hadn't really been seen by very many people.

Thanks for posting !

Pagoda113

Photo's of IO 68. (2005)

galwaytt

cool pics, I remember the hullah when the place was discovered.......

what's just as interesting from the pics, is the size of the place.........and the number of 'gas lamps' used to adorn it. That'd have been a nice order for the builders

PaulK_CCI

MercMad wrote: »

....not just because of the collection of cars, but the fact that the photos are now 27 years old or so and the collection hadn't really been seen by very many people.

I thought the collection was confiscated around 1979 and sold and at that time the museum at molsheim was opened to the public, with the help of the French government. It has been open tot the public ever since, but has undergone a major upgrade/revamp around 2000. I would say, it is most definitely one of the museums you just have to go and see...

Re. Irish bugatti's, here's a few pics of the bugatti we registered last year. I must say, even though it;s of course not an original Irish Reg, it's wearing the ZV plate with pride and I genuinely feel privileged to have been involved with this car. The engineering, presence and sheer beauty of these cars is in one word mindblowing, I have no other words to describe it.







One odd thing, brought us back to earth again, as we were amazed to discover that after registering the car, the VRO did not have 'Bugatti' listed in their database, basically showing that since 1987, no Bugatti's have ever been registered in Ireland, but strangely enough they didn't bother to add it to the database, and he is now the proud owner of a Make: "Unknown", Model T37A!!

MercMad

Hey Paul, yes thats kinda the way I understood the museum to have "evolved".

I read a lot about the whole set up many years ago, all about the brothers and their activities both businesswise and regarding amassing their collection, legally and otherwise.

I also recall reading specifically about the purchase or a Bugatti from the US, how the brother wriggled and wrangled on the whole deal.

BTW did they only have to pay the €50 VRT ??

Lovely pictures BTW.

Oh and thanks for the piccies of IO 68 too !

Kevin_Herron

The collection never left Mulhouse.
I was unaware of a Bugatti museum in Molsheim?
It certainly wont have as many Bugatti as the Schlumpf collection!!

The collection was 'confiscated' from the Schlumpf brothers and sold for a ridiculously low price to the National Automobile Museum Association in '81.

Thats a nice 37A Paul, I presume most of it is 'new'.

carchaeologist

That engine is nuts..looks like it was machined from a solid block!!

Id hate to guess the value of that car!

PaulK_CCI

Kevin_Herron wrote: »

The collection never left Mulhouse.
I was unaware of a Bugatti museum in Molsheim?
It certainly wont have as many Bugatti as the Schlumpf collection!!.

My mistake, I meant of course "Mulhouse" , must have been a Freudian slip since Bugatti=Molsheim

Kevin_Herron wrote: »

Thats a nice 37A Paul, I presume most of it is 'new'.

It was a total restoration ofcoure, but it is a genuine T37A with matching numbers and engine. Not one of those recreations based on an original bugatti wheelnut... around which they built a new car

BTW did they only have to pay the €50 VRT ??

Yep, only 50 euro's ... I guess '1928' sort of made it older than 30 years

MercMad

PaulK_CCI wrote: »

Yep, only 50 euro's ... I guess '1928' sort of made it older than 30 years

....... yeah but I have heard that in certain cases they decide a car is of significant value/historically important etc.... that they will want a larger hunk of flesh !!

G Luxel

I bought a book last year about the last Bugatti, the last French type 57 built before 1939, writtten by Barrie Price, the boss of Lea Francis cars. There are 2 photos of original Irish bugatti, a T57 (SZ reg) owned by Hugh Conway,registered in Northern Ireland, and a 2nd car Registered ZA xxxx owned by a Hugh McLellan. The car was used in the 1955 TT. Its original owner was a mr/ms Dwyer.