Fek Democracy. How about an extra vote with each level of education.

/Opens can of worms


I honestly think that someone who has a PHD in Economics should have more voting power than someone who dropped out at Junior Cert.

If we give the more educated members of society more voting power, it'd stop gob****es who don't know anything wreckin our economy.

say you get,

5 votes with Junior Cert
7 votes with Leaving Cert
9 votes with Degree or more.


/Waits for reaction :cool:

Professey Chin

Having a degree doesnt stop you being an idiot
*waits for arts students *

lemd

I can see where you are coming from but it would never happen, for a start we would probably need a referendum, hence they would vote in record numbers led by libertas:D

Someone who is more educated is more likely to vote than someone who dropped out of school.

Sam Vimes

we already have that in a way. Only certain college graduates can vote for the senate

CiaranC

Just exclude anyone who doesnt have a degree from voting altogether. The notion that some of the smacktards on here have an equal vote to the rest of us makes me shudder.

stovelid

Deleted User wrote: »

it'd stop gob****es who don't know anything wreckin our economy.

I for one think it's very heartening that Junior Cert dropouts can hoover up all the executive finance and banking jobs.

Dragan

Deleted User wrote: »

If we give the more educated members of society more voting power, it'd stop gob****es who don't know anything wreckin our economy.

That makes perfect sense, especially after the recent wave of revelations that, if anything, it are the people who are better educated and in top positions that have been taking the most advantage and doing the most damage.

I imagine all those bank folk have degrees out their ass.

javaboy

NUI graduates already get more democracy than the rest by having their own pet senator.

/stir

MrJoeSoap

Having been to college with some right muppets for three years I'd say we should measure the votes by IQ's rather than levels of education.

Or just remove the right to vote altogether.

lemd

This is starting to remind me of that simpsons mensa episode. out of interest does anyone know the breakdown of votes according to education in recent elections/referendums?

RATM

Ah wasn't this Plato's idea- the notion of the philosopher king. To be ruled by the most intelligent in society and all that.

Would never work, human nature is all about self interest. And the self interest of a Phd holding economist is very different to that of a regular working man.

longshanks

yeah op, thats a good idea. after we take their votes away maybe we could then instruct them what to read and watch/listen to. lets burn all their books etc that dont agree with our point of view. we should then move them all in to the same areas, easier to keep an eye on, control or whatnot. i reckon we should have them wear some kind of a mark so that they are identifiable, i dunno, maybe a star on their sleeves. some of them we could keep around for artistic purposes, maybe music and acting. the thing about this is the areas where we keep them will probably get very crowded, might even breed dissent. we're going to need some kind of final solution............but i'm drawing a blank here. any ideas?

javaboy

javaboy wrote: »

NUI graduates already get more democracy than the rest by having their own pet senator.

/stir

And Trinity gets even more!

Biggins

So if an Irish version of Richard Branson comes along, maybe having left school early and sets up multi-millions worth businesses and employs thousands, your still not going to allow him to vote because he don't have the right school paperwork!

Sorry, unworkable idea.

ScumLord

No this is already a problem. The people in government are so far removed from from the average citizen that they just haven't a clue what they want and don't really care either.

The only people FF care about is the people they go to dinner partys with not the scum they see cueing at taxi ranks while they float home in their chauffeur driven mercs.


I really think this is a problem. We need more common people in government the people who work on the floor or deal with people face to face. Who know how things actually work because they've done that work.

Riamfada

longshanks wrote: »

yeah op, thats a good idea. after we take their votes away maybe we could then instruct them what to read and watch/listen to. lets burn all their books etc that dont agree with our point of view. we should then move them all in to the same areas, easier to keep an eye on, control or whatnot. i reckon we should have them wear some kind of a mark so that they are identifiable, i dunno, maybe a star on their sleeves. some of them we could keep around for artistic purposes, maybe music and acting. the thing about this is the areas where we keep them will probably get very crowded, might even breed dissent. we're going to need some kind of final solution............but i'm drawing a blank here. any ideas?

Thats a ****ing brilliant idea. You should be our leader.

longshanks

longshanks wrote: »

yeah op, thats a good idea. after we take their votes away maybe we could then instruct them what to read and watch/listen to. lets burn all their books etc that dont agree with our point of view. we should then move them all in to the same areas, easier to keep an eye on, control or whatnot. i reckon we should have them wear some kind of a mark so that they are identifiable, i dunno, maybe a star on their sleeves. some of them we could keep around for artistic purposes, maybe music and acting. the thing about this is the areas where we keep them will probably get very crowded, might even breed dissent. we're going to need some kind of final solution............but i'm drawing a blank here. any ideas?

drop their dole payments?

stovelid

Biggins wrote: »

Sorry, unworkable idea.

Calling it an idea is flattering it a bit.

lemd

plenty of 3rd level graduates on the dole too and i'm including the useful degrees here.

shock_value

A higher proportion of idiots than smart people finish degrees they don't want. I really don't think having a degree is a measure of anything.

What next?

Votes only for those who have served in the army?

Growing up i was suprised to find out how many people would support stupid and blatantly unfair suggestions such yours. Makes me glad we have a constitution (however sh!t and old fashioned it is).

stovelid

stovelid wrote: »

Calling it an idea is flattering it a bit.

i'd agree also and i came up with it

kowloon

OP, if you've been to third level, as your opinion suggests, how did you fail to notice that the place was filled with lunatics?
Sheltered academics have some of the most mental world views in existance; they tend to polarise on almost every issue, settling on the most extremist, crazy, views. They also can't agree on the colour of ****e.

I'd rather restrict the vote to children.

seanybiker

someone can have my vote. I never use it. Waste of my time

Biggins

stovelid wrote: »

Calling it an idea is flattering it a bit.

Yea I know but I have to be hospitable.

By the OP's process of thinking, Einstein wouldn't have gotten a vote either in his day if that idea(!) was adopted.

Professey Chin

Biggins wrote: »

Yea I know but I have to be hospitable.

By the OP's process of thinking, Einstein wouldn't have gotten a vote either in his day if that idea(!) was adopted.

I thought its the HSEs job to be a hospital

:pac:

Sea Sharp

Or how about we encourage debate and reasoning with citizen participation (through use of the internet) before an election.

The party who spends the most on catchy slogan posters before the election wins. That's just the power of advertising.

Therefore the party who takes the most brown envelope contributions for their campaign funding wins. That's why corrupt people tend to get in power.

Democracy, although probably better than any alternative, isn't all it's cut out to be.

Slow Motion

Deleted User wrote: »

/Opens can of worms


I honestly think that someone who has a PHD in Economics should have more voting power than someone who dropped out at Junior Cert.

If we give the more educated members of society more voting power, it'd stop gob****es who don't know anything wreckin our economy.

say you get,

5 votes with Junior Cert
7 votes with Leaving Cert
9 votes with Degree or more.


/Waits for reaction :cool:

You're being a bit too liberal here, let's just restrict voting to Men over the age of 40 with property and earning over €100k pa with a masters! That would keep the great unwashed where they belong!:rolleyes:

Kev_ps3

Deleted User wrote: »

/Opens can of worms


I honestly think that someone who has a PHD in Economics should have more voting power than someone who dropped out at Junior Cert.

If we give the more educated members of society more voting power, it'd stop gob****es who don't know anything wreckin our economy.
say you get,

5 votes with Junior Cert
7 votes with Leaving Cert
9 votes with Degree or more.


/Waits for reaction :cool:

Your probably talking about the Lisbon Treaty and how the "working class" rejected it. The only people that have wrecked our economy is FF.

kowloon

kowloon wrote: »

OP, if you've been to third level, as your opinion suggests, how did you fail to notice that the place was filled with lunatics?
Sheltered academics have some of the most mental world views in existance; they tend to polarise on almost every issue, settling on the most extremist, crazy, views. They also can't agree on the colour of ****e.

I'd rather restrict the vote to children.

Well all the people I know from college would have a better informed vote than a knacker from southill.

kowloon

Slow Motion wrote: »

You're being a bit too liberal here, let's just restrict voting to Men over the age of 40 with property and earning over €100k pa with a masters! That would keep the great unwashed where they belong!:rolleyes:

But if we return to property qualifications I won't be able to coerce my uneducated tenants into placing votes for me or my peers.
Fetch my port, you swine!

stovelid

Deleted User wrote: »

Well all the people I know from college would have a better informed vote than a knacker from southill.

Wish I went to a college like you.

A lot of students that I knew in college were just as bereft or ideas and opinions as anybody else, underneath the received cultural and social veneer.

asdasd

I honestly think that someone who has a PHD in Economics should have more voting power than someone who dropped out at Junior Cert.

If we give the more educated members of society more voting power, it'd stop gob****es who don't know anything wreckin our economy.

Worth putting these two sentences together even if the intent were not humourous.

Economy was not wrecked by PHD graduates in banking( and economics), but taxidrivers, shopkeepers, and cleaners. Tell Obama. He is going after the wrong people

Still though, a ban on people with silly non technical degrees (sociology, journalism,law etc.) voting would be a welcome devleopment.

kowloon

Deleted User wrote: »

Well all the people I know from college would have a better informed vote than a knacker from southill.

Do I detect a hint of class hate here?

thebigcheese22

kowloon wrote: »

But if we return to property qualifications I won't be able to coerce my uneducated tenants into placing votes for me or my peers.
Fetch my port, you swine!

lol!

But still, educated people voted legends like David Norris into the Seanad so I'm fully behind the idea! Screw the riff-raff!

Tom65

RATM wrote: »

Ah wasn't this Plato's idea- the notion of the philosopher king. To be ruled by the most intelligent in society and all that.

Would never work, human nature is all about self interest. And the self interest of a Phd holding economist is very different to that of a regular working man.

People don't vote according to self-interest as much as you'd think. Think of the number of working class in the US who vote for Republicans who support tax cuts for the rich. Even here, FF have a big working class support despite not exactly being the party of the poor. Same goes for the Greens, who fare much better in high income areas.

Húrin

RATM wrote: »

Ah wasn't this Plato's idea- the notion of the philosopher king. To be ruled by the most intelligent in society and all that.

Would never work, human nature is all about self interest

self interest =/= greed

kowloon

How about something truely radical: evryone receives a poker chips to the value of one vote. We have a big poker tournament and the winner, presumably the most devious fcuker in the country, with bluffing skills second to none, gets to cash in the chips and lead the nation.

asdasd

Think of the number of working class in the US who vote for Republicans who support tax cuts for the rich. Even here, FF have a big working class support despite not exactly being the party of the poor. Same goes for the Greens, who fare much better in high income areas.

Generally this is rubbish. People vote for tax cuts, not just for the rich. That is in their self interest, even if it is greedy.

FF spend quite a lot of money on the poor - look at the Dole payments here compared to the UK with a socialist party ( also historically it has created the welfare State here), and greenism is just sanctimonious self righteous hypocrisy - best example being the support of Carbon taxes for air flight, not a rationing system. The result of that is less chavs on planes, which is good for the upper middle classes.

kowloon

kowloon wrote: »

Do I detect a hint of class hate here?

yea ya do. i'm not ashamed of the fact that i have no love nor forgiveness for certain classes of society :rolleyes:

chosen1

Think its a completely stupid idea basing it on education. As other posters have said the political type in college tended to be either extremists, weirdos or hippies. (mainly hippies as seen in students unions countrywide). Not only that but many people that complete degrees are only book-smart i.e. get all their information from opinions of others and have absolutely no real world experience or ideas.

Have worked in several factories around the country and I have to say the intelligence of some people who barely got through national school is unbelievable. Their sharpness on current events and quick wit would destroy the majority of college graduates.

All that said, I would agree with denying some people having an equal vote as others. Lisbon treaty does spring to mind where I saw many people voted against it thinking their children would be sent to the front line of the European armys war against.... Likewise for people who voted yes only through blindly following a particular party and never bothering to even find out what its was about. Even "the Irish Sun" influenced people on their vote for gods sake

If I were to set a criteria it wouldn't be on educational qualifications but more like general knowledge on current events like a question on who won the last 3 big brothers. If anyone answers correctly they should be stuck of the voting registrar for life

chosen1

chosen1 wrote: »

If I were to set a criteria it wouldn't be on educational qualifications but more like general knowledge on current events like a question on who won the last 3 big brothers. If anyone answers correctly they should be stuck of the voting registrar for life

hmm.. education > knowledge of current events?

people don't put table quizes on their cvs

asdasd

Have worked in several factories around the country and I have to say the intelligence of some people who barely got through national school is unbelievable. Their sharpness on current events and quick wit would destroy the majority of college graduates.

My aunt is like this.

All that said, I would agree with denying some people having an equal vote as others. Lisbon treaty does spring to mind where I saw many people voted against it thinking their children would be sent to the front line of the European armys war against.... Likewise for people who voted yes only through blindly following a particular party and never bothering to even find out what its was about. Even "the Irish Sun" influenced people on their vote for gods sake

Clearly the Yes voters were more influenced as there was more ruling class support of the YES position. In fact FF voters who voted NO, proved they werent sheep.

The entertaining thing here is that I am old enough - early thirties - to remember when neutrality was a big issue in every European referendum, and largely it was the right-ons who write to the Irish Times who would bring it up. Back then, the vote against the EU was in the leafy suburbs. The change of opinion here is more to do with what is fashionable with a middle class than anything else, and if fact that fashionable opinion is largely confined to graduates - though not all - the working classes make up their own minds.

chosen1

As I said before, being booksmart doesnt make you well informed

The Mad Hatter

kowloon wrote: »

How about something truely radical: evryone receives a poker chips to the value of one vote. We have a big poker tournament and the winner, presumably the most devious fcuker in the country, with bluffing skills second to none, gets to cash in the chips and lead the nation.

That's what we have already, only without the poker chips.

Kev_ps3

Deleted User wrote: »

Well all the people I know from college would have a better informed vote than a knacker from southill.

What exactly do you mean by "better informed vote"?

Kev_ps3

Deleted User wrote: »

yea ya do. i'm not ashamed of the fact that i have no love nor forgiveness for certain classes of society :rolleyes:

So in other words you hate poor Irish people? :rolleyes:

asdasd

So in other words you hate poor Irish people?

There was a time that was unfashionable too.

To be fair though, he would ban Bill Cullen from voting as well. So he is opposed to those born poor, or who didnt bother getting a third in sociology at uni, but were succesful elsewhere.

If Steve Jobs, or Bill Gates could vote here - they'd be out too. And Fergie. The list goes on.

Kev_ps3

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

What exactly do you mean by "better informed vote"?

are you serious? you can't work out exactly what i mean?

asdasd

you can't work out exactly what i mean?

We understood the words. Not sure why your third in sociology makes you"better informed" than Alex Ferguson, Bono, Bob Geldof, Bill Gates, Bill Cullen etc.

And for each of these, hundreds of thousands more without that third in sociology with plenty more smarts than y'all.

Kev_ps3

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

So in other words you hate poor Irish people? :rolleyes:

you're the one who just made a bad generalisation.. :rolleyes: