Girl lied about 'sex assault' out of loyalty to her family

10-02-2009 4:25pm #1

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/girl-lied-about-sex-assault-out-of-loyalty-to-her-family-1634063.html

A MAN falsely accused of sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl had his conviction quashed yesterday.
The girl admitted making up the allegation and said it was done out of "revenge and misplaced loyalty to my family" because of a dispute over land.
The Court of Criminal Appeal (CCA) heard yesterday the DPP was not challenging the man's appeal against conviction, and the court said, on that basis, it would quash the conviction
In 1999 the man, from the west of Ireland and now in his mid-30s, received a suspended four-year prison sentence at Galway Circuit Court. He had been found guilty of sexually assaulting and of assaulting the girl near her home in Co Galway in January 1997.
He had vehemently denied the charges.
The girl, whose family were in dispute with the family of the man over land, claimed he had sexually assaulted her, but later said she wanted to tell the truth, so his name could be cleared.
In 2006 the girl, who is now in her 20s and resides outside of the country, made statements to the gardai withdrawing her complaints against the man.
The girl also admitted that her original complaints were fabricated and false in their entirety.
Revenge
She told gardai that none of the allegations against the man were true and that her motivation for making them was "revenge and misplaced loyalty to my family".
She also admitted that she had never come into contact with the man, nor had any conversations with him at any stage in his life, and that she was never coerced or coached by anyone.
The court yesterday had the man's application to have his conviction declared a miscarriage of justice adjourned to next month's list to fix dates.

little feker. this is one of the things that anger me most.. one eejit can ruin a man's life with bad lies.

Quazzie · 10-02-2009 4:34pm

I heard he moved to Athlone and is writing kids books under the pseudonym of Snyper

javaboy · 10-02-2009 4:35pm

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

I heard he went on a raping spree after it as he knew he was already going down. Today he posts from his cellblock as Frada

It says in the article the man is in his 30's. As everybody knows Frada is 21 so it couldn't have been him.

ScumLord · 10-02-2009 4:36pm

That's scary, she never even spoke to the man yet they had enough evidence to convict him? And it took 10 years for the truth to come out.

Mingey · 10-02-2009 4:37pm

Maybe Frada is the girl in question?

Ffs...how does a 6 year old know what sexual assault is?

Edit: Oh she was 10. Still though....can't have done it all on her own, can she?

stovelid · 10-02-2009 4:37pm

The kid is hardly to blame, given the age. It's her fucked up family that should be locked up.

Royale with Cheese · 10-02-2009 4:37pm

A MAN falsely accused of sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl had his conviction quashed yesterday.
The girl admitted making up the allegation and said it was done out of "revenge and misplaced loyalty to my family" because of a dispute over land.
The Court of Criminal Appeal (CCA) heard yesterday the DPP was not challenging the man's appeal against conviction, and the court said, on that basis, it would quash the conviction
In 1999 the man, from the west of Ireland and now in his mid-30s, received a suspended four-year prison sentence at Galway Circuit Court. He had been found guilty of sexually assaulting and of assaulting the girl near her home in Co Galway in January 1997.
He had vehemently denied the charges.
The girl, whose family were in dispute with the family of the man over land, claimed he had sexually assaulted her, but later said she wanted to tell the truth, so his name could be cleared.
In 2006 the girl, who is now in her 20s and resides outside of the country, made statements to the gardai withdrawing her complaints against the man.
The girl also admitted that her original complaints were fabricated and false in their entirety.
Revenge
She told gardai that none of the allegations against the man were true and that her motivation for making them was "revenge and misplaced loyalty to my family".
She also admitted that she had never come into contact with the man, nor had any conversations with him at any stage in his life, and that she was never coerced or coached by anyone.
The court yesterday had the man's application to have his conviction declared a miscarriage of justice adjourned to next month's list to fix dates.

How the hell did he get convicted if he'd never even met the girl? Do they just take the word of all 10 year old girls in these cases? That paedophile episode of Brass Eye springs to mind.

Turd Ferguson · 10-02-2009 4:37pm

javaboy wrote: »

It says in the article the man is in his 30's. As everybody knows Frada is 21 so it couldn't have been him.

Or maybe thats a lie

Quazzie · 10-02-2009 4:37pm

javaboy wrote: »

It says in the article the man is in his 30's. As everybody knows Frada is 21 so it couldn't have been him.

Ah my ninja editting skills are no match to your Supermod powers!!

orestes · 10-02-2009 4:38pm

Since he already did the time, should he be allowed to sexually assault her to make things even?

Crash · 10-02-2009 4:40pm

orestes wrote: »

Since he already did the time, should he be allowed to sexually assault her to make things even?

Yes, but she would have to dress up as a ten year old.

Mingey · 10-02-2009 4:40pm

orestes wrote: »

Since he already did the time, should he be allowed to sexually assault her to make things even?

Double Jeopardy? I think he would have to assaut her of she was a minor, which she isn't anymore.

Fair play to her for coming clean. It can't be the easiest thing to do.

ayapatrick · 10-02-2009 4:44pm

The dirty tramp wants a kick in the teeth!
Can he bring any sort of civil action against her now?

Homer · 10-02-2009 4:48pm

Going Waterforward wrote: »

Yes, but she would have to dress up as a ten year old.

He could flip her over and pretend she was a 10 year old boy?

TheZohanS · 10-02-2009 4:49pm

One would hope that karma sorts her out.

Mingey · 10-02-2009 4:50pm

ayapatrick wrote: »

The dirty tramp wants a kick in the teeth!
Can he bring any sort of civil action against her now?

AAaaaand here come the angry mob.

Dude, she was 10. There were obviously other forces at play here. She never even met the guy. The family who used her could do with getting their teeth kicked then be thrown into jail to be ass ****ed.

Mr. Incognito · 10-02-2009 4:51pm

I thought this was the norm in Galway?

I hear kiddie fiddlers are popular in prison these days.

Lockstep · 10-02-2009 4:51pm

And this boys and girls, is why I oppose any attempts to castrate/execute convicted sex offenders.

RaverRo808 · 10-02-2009 4:52pm

F*cking bitch,bullet to both knees,then to stomach,leave her in freezing cold dark room in agony for 3 hours,and come back and one shot to the head to finish the little b*tch off

Declan Thyme · 10-02-2009 4:54pm

You would think he'd be entitled to some compensation. The poor guy must be so dissillusioned with the justice system. In her defence, at least she came forward, even though she took her time.....

stovelid · 10-02-2009 4:55pm

RaverRo808 wrote: »

F*cking bitch,bullet to both knees,then to stomach,leave her in freezing cold dark room in agony for 3 hours,and come back and one shot to the head to finish the little b*tch off

Bit bleeding-heart this, isn't it? What happened to real punishment?

SoWatchaWant · 10-02-2009 4:56pm

Can juries never get anything right? Especially when there's so much at stake?

javaboy · 10-02-2009 4:57pm

The girl admitted making up the allegation and said it was done out of "revenge and misplaced loyalty to my family" because of a dispute over land.

Sounds like the parents were behind it. What 10 year old gives a crap about a land dispute enough to pull a stunt like that?

Keep the paedo jokes to a minimum please.

stovelid · 10-02-2009 4:58pm

javaboy wrote: »

Sounds like the parents were behind it. What 10 year old gives a crap about a land dispute enough to pull a stunt like that?

This.

And now it would seem that she's come clean, which is to be commended.

Gummy Panda · 10-02-2009 4:59pm

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Can juries never get anything right? Especially when there's so much at stake?

A Jury makes its decision based on the information it receives. The prosecution must have made a better case then the defense.

Placebo · 10-02-2009 5:01pm

blame the guards,
what was the evidence, cant just take a girls word for it ? locations etc etc ?

javaboy wrote: »

Sounds like the parents were behind it. What 10 year old gives a crap about a land dispute enough to pull a stunt like that?

Keep the paedo jokes to a minimum please.

what about pedro jokes?

SoWatchaWant · 10-02-2009 5:01pm

kickoutthejams wrote: »

And this boys and girls, is why I oppose any attempts to castrate/execute convicted sex offenders.

Yeah, but the fault lies with the jury on not getting it right, not on the idea of execution itself. Focus on making sure you get the right verdict, not simply going easy on all of them in case there's one that might be innocent. People should take jury duty more seriously, I guess. Either that or our psychologists are ****, and are fooled by a ten year old.

SoWatchaWant · 10-02-2009 5:03pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

The prosecution must have made a better case then the defense.

How strong could the prosecution possibly be with no evidence? The jury should have seen that.

Dudess · 10-02-2009 5:08pm

RaverRo808 wrote: »

F*cking bitch,bullet to both knees,then to stomach,leave her in freezing cold dark room in agony for 3 hours,and come back and one shot to the head to finish the little b*tch off

What a well-thought-out comment.

Red Sleeping Beauty · 10-02-2009 5:10pm

Should've posted this in LL.

ZzubZzub · 10-02-2009 5:59pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

How the hell did he get convicted if he'd never even met the girl? Do they just take the word of all 10 year old girls in these cases? That paedophile episode of Brass Eye springs to mind.

Quite possibly one of the greatest programmes ever!!

I still can't get my head around how all this happened, seeing how they never even met!!!

10-02-2009 6:04pm

RaverRo808 wrote: »

F*cking bitch,bullet to both knees,then to stomach,leave her in freezing cold dark room in agony for 3 hours,and come back and one shot to the head to finish the little b*tch off

Oh no! A cold, dark room! That's going too far... And I suppose your parents wouldn't have been able to force you into doing something like that when you were 10?

10-02-2009 6:05pm

javaboy wrote: »

Sounds like the parents were behind it. What 10 year old gives a crap about a land dispute enough to pull a stunt like that

Was it Pat Kenny's daughter?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-02-2009 6:18pm

It's already in humanities. Personally, I think the legal system is to blame as much as anyone. A triumph for the Irish legal system. Rumour is enough to convict.

Guy:Incognito · 10-02-2009 6:47pm

Placebo wrote: »

blame the guards,

Why? The Gards are told of an offence so they arrest the guy. They didnt run the prosecution and sit on the jury.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

. Rumour is enough to convict.

The "victims" statement hardly qualifies as a rumour. Being convicted based on something someone two towns over heard happened would be a rumour.

MJOR · 10-02-2009 7:03pm

God love him.... what a terrible thing to do but at ten how did she know what to do

nobodythere · 10-02-2009 7:05pm

Sick. She was only 12 when she accused him too???

Dudess · 10-02-2009 7:15pm

10 - so hardly without her family's support/coercion.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 10-02-2009 7:35pm

Mingey wrote: »

Maybe Frada is the girl in question?

No, I actually did have sex with him.

Thirdfox · 10-02-2009 7:46pm

What an unfortunate ad placement...

Holsten · 10-02-2009 7:46pm

Insane.

Stuff like these makes my blood boil.

ziggy · 10-02-2009 8:14pm

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kowloon · 10-02-2009 8:52pm

While in theory, the girl in question, or her parents, should be held in some way accountable for this, I take a more pragmatic line: would anyone own up for these things if there were harsh consequences for doing so? At least his name is cleared, officially, which is more than he could have hoped for otherwise.

I believe in some countries you can get compensation based on loss of earnings from the state.

pickarooney · 10-02-2009 8:53pm

The guy's lawyer should be struck off, jailed even, for losing such a case.

walshb · 10-02-2009 9:10pm

ScumLord wrote: »

That's scary, she never even spoke to the man yet they had enough evidence to convict him? And it took 10 years for the truth to come out.

Was thinkin' the same myself. We all know how difficult it can
be to obtain a sexual conviction in rape and child sex cases; yet this
girl never even met the man and he was convicted. Something
stinks. What sort of defence had he?

I would say there is a whole lot of corruption involved, but even still, it
would have to be well well planned and covered to get a conviction.

Surely, Garda investigations, cross examination, research and all
that would have discovered the man not having even met the 'victim?':rolleyes:

galwayrush · 10-02-2009 9:13pm

Insanity, horrible. Hope the guy sues and ends up owning the disputed land.

walshb · 10-02-2009 9:20pm

And the crap that she was never coerced or coached is just that,. crap.

Are we to believe that a 12 year old girl could have done all this
and covered all the tracks and little details and lies all by herself?:rolleyes:

Then again, it is against the Gardai!:D

Lockstep · 10-02-2009 10:08pm

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Yeah, but the fault lies with the jury on not getting it right, not on the idea of execution itself. Focus on making sure you get the right verdict, not simply going easy on all of them in case there's one that might be innocent. People should take jury duty more seriously, I guess. Either that or our psychologists are ****, and are fooled by a ten year old.

Not really, it shows that juries are fallible. Unless you can come up with a system with a foolproof jury, execution makes no sense.
If you consider opposing execution as "going easy on them" then I really cannot help you.

Then again, maybe I'm just biased against the law system as I am studying it and can see that no jury will ever be foolproof.
It is for exactly that reason that I oppose irreversible sentences, because they might be guilty.

Girl lied about 'sex assault' out of loyalty to her family

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