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Are any of you a priest/nun? If not, would you consider it?
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09-02-2009 11:49pm#1
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If you are a christian and are not a priest, what has stopped you from joining the priesthood?
Not being Catholic probably has something to do with it.
Seriously, I believe in the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers - that all genuine Christians are priests in the sight of God.0 -
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Yes, all of the New Testament was written in Greek.
You've got Overblood there!
This rounds points to PDN.
as an aside ...
did Matthew actually write the Gospel of Matthew? In Greek or otherwise?
Overbloods question was "Why did Matthew use a greek word? He didn't write it all in Greek did he?"
Q:Mathew didn't write it in Greek did he?
A:All four Gospels were written in Greek.
The answer avoids the Matthew part of the question. Did Matthew write the Gospel in Greek? or did one of his followers write it and then attribute his name to it?0 -
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How did he "get" me? I asked him a question and he was nice enough to answer.
Maybe he "got" me an answer? Is that it?
I agree, it would nice if we could have more discussion, with questions and answers on this board, rather than everything being about point scoring and antagonism.
Having said that, there has been a tradition round these parts of atheists asking apparently innocuous questions and then trying to spring a 'gotcha' (usually done very ineptly). So I guess its understandable when people view every question as being potentially loaded.Is mary's virginity first mentioned or prophecised in the new or old testament?
There is a prophecy in the Old Testament in Isaiah 7:14 that reads: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin (Hebrew 'almah') will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. The word 'almah' can mean either a young woman or a virgin.
The Jewish rabbis and scholars who translated the Old Testament into Greek several centuries before Christ (known as the Septuagint) translated 'almah' as 'parthenos' - meaning 'virgin'. So we know that large numbers of Jews, long before Christianity, understood Isaiah 7:14 to be referring to a virgin birth.
The New Testament clearly states that the birth of Jesus to a virgin was the fulfillment of Isaiah 7:14.
So this leaves us with at least three possible approaches to the word 'almah'.
1. Jews who reject the New Testament, but still see the Old Testament as God's word, claim that 'almah' means 'young woman' and that the Septuagint translation was a mistake.
2. Christians who accept both the Old and New Testaments as God's Word see 'almah' as meaning 'virgin'.
3. Some atheists, who reject both the Old and New Testaments, like to argue about the meaning of 'almah', even though they couldn't care less about it, in order to piss off Christians.0 -
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How did he "get" me? I asked him a question and he was nice enough to answer.
Maybe he "got" me an answer? Is that it?
That part was meant mostly jovially... but I'd been spending too much time in the BC&P thread, so my judgment was somewhat impaired...I agree, it would nice if we could have more discussion, with questions and answers on this board, rather than everything being about point scoring and antagonism.
Yeah I realise my post was not exactly contributing to the discussion...Having said that, there has been a tradition round these parts of atheists asking apparently innocuous questions and then trying to spring a 'gotcha' (usually done very ineptly). So I guess its understandable when people view every question as being potentially loaded.
... hum... I don't think that I was doing this, there was no follow on 'Gotcha' planed for my post, I felt that your answer to Overblood's question, whilst true, was sort of answering a different question... it triggered an over the top reaction to what I strongly felt was misdirection. I took the weekend off from boards as I've clearly been overreacting to things lately.There is a prophecy in the Old Testament in Isaiah 7:14 that reads: "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin (Hebrew 'almah') will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. The word 'almah' can mean either a young woman or a virgin.
The part of that I have never understood is the Immanuel part... Jesus is never called that anywhere else as far as I know... but I am aware that Immanuel means "God is with us" and that maybe people said this, but I find it somewhat less than satisfying.The Jewish rabbis and scholars who translated the Old Testament into Greek several centuries before Christ (known as the Septuagint) translated 'almah' as 'parthenos' - meaning 'virgin'. So we know that large numbers of Jews, long before Christianity, understood Isaiah 7:14 to be referring to a virgin birth.
That makes a lot of sense, like Athena Parthenos, Athena the Virgin.
If they'd wanted to translate it as just 'young girl' what Greek word would they have most likely used?0 -
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Where do you guys get this insider information?!
So why doesn't god want you to become a priest? What does he find wrong with you at this moment in time?
Think about it - if there is an omnipotent Christian God then he can sort out a way to let you know such things. In this regard, the Spirit would guide you.
Not every Christian is suited to the profession. Why would you think that this means there is something wrong with them in God's eyes?
As an example, think of someone who loves football and wants to be a professional footballer. However, they do not have the attributes to make a good one. This doesn't make them a defective person. It simply means that their skills are better suited to other areas of life. There are many other roles involved within football - each vital in their own right - that would suit these skills.0 -
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I feel very flattered to have a hypothesis named after me.
Let's start with a core belief in human free will. So God may call someone to the priesthood/ministry, but that person has the freedom to reject God's call. On the other hand, God doesn't tell others that He has or has not called someone, so a person claiming a vocation may be in error. Of course, organised churches have developed procedures to try to sift out genuine vocations from false ones (the colleague I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread who was recently ordained in his fifties took about three years to convince the authorities in his diocese that he was genuine).
What might be "Hivizman's hypothesis" Mark 2 is this:
Until the 1960s, becoming an RC priest, or an Anglican priest, or a non-conformist minister, was for many people a way of getting out of a very humble background and enhancing their social status. Claims to vocation were perhaps not tested very strongly, and a significant number of people entered the priesthood who were not actually called to the priesthood.
Now, becoming a priest or minister carries with it no social status, indeed may actually have people thinking you're a loony, so some people whom God calls ignore the call.
This hypothesis is consistent with the view that God is calling the same proportion of people as always to the priesthood or ministry, but whereas in the past the number of genuine calls was augmented by people without a true vocation becoming priests, now it's diminished by people ignoring or denying a true vocation.
I wouldn't really rate this as a scientific "hypothesis", because it's untestable. We would need to rely on what people told us about whether or not they had vocations, and there is no way for us to be confident that their responses were reliable.
You might, though, ask why an omnipotent God would permit people to become priests who don't meet God's own quality standards.0 -
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