Buying a used Nissan Micra

Koloman

A friend of mine is interested in a a 08 Nissan Micra 1.2SXE 5DR with 8000 miles on the clock from a dealer. There is no trade in involved. The guide price is around 12500 Euro. The person intends to pay for half of it up front with the rest coming from a loan.

My question is in these harsh economic times, what could we reasonably get the price down to with a bit of negotiation?

Thanks for any replys.

B00MSTICK

I wouldn't dream of spending anywhere near that amount on a Micra.
They're generally very reliable so he/she could drop a few years and buy it outright, no loan involved.

In the harsh economic times its best not to take out a loan. Your job may not be as safe as you think it is...

Koloman

B00MSTICK wrote: »

I wouldn't dream of spending anywhere near that amount on a Micra.
They're generally very reliable so he/she could drop a few years and buy it outright, no loan involved.

In the harsh economic times its best not to take out a loan. Your job may not be as safe as you think it is...

You may have a point about the loan. I think it would be best to have as much of the money up front before buying in these economic times. Buying a year older might be a consideration as well.

CharlieCroker

You'd buy a brand new 09 SXE 5dr inc metallic for about €14000 - 14250 with haggling in a straight sale!

for a '08 i wouldn't want to spend more than €11000 - 11500 on it. plenty of them out there cos dealers lease them to rental companies for 3/6 months and havent been able to sell most of them since they were returned.

not my cup of tea but they do have a massive spec - bluetooth, A/C, ipod connection, Multi-function steering wheel and so on!!

iseethelight

hi
you would get a higher spec micra for 9000£ in the uk find out what the vrt is, and then make an offer but i would say no more than 10k

dealers can't sell 2nd hand cars
ur friend is a wet dream
cash no trade

duffman08

iseethe light, you may get or may not get a higher spec micra in the uk for that price, but in few years time when it rolls around to trade it in for an upgrade, no dealer will touch an import.
And who could blame them. There getting no help from the government in the current climate, they as in the SIMI and the network of delaers. 6000-7000 people work in the motor industry in ireland at the moment. that was 10,000 this time last year.
So by All means go to the uk and buy a slighly cheaper micra now, but in few years time it will be worthless in ireland as no one will want an import Micra when there are plenty of Irish Cars ot there.

Killme00

I drive a 01 Micra with 19000 miles on the clock
My friend drives a 99 Micra with 145000 on the clock

These things are fcking unstoppable BUT dont spend 12k on one. Spend 5k max.

TFP

duffman08 wrote: »

So by All means go to the uk and buy a slighly cheaper micra now, but in few years time it will be worthless in ireland as no one will want an import Micra when there are plenty of Irish Cars ot there.

Could you explain why 'no one' will want an imported car in a few years?

Are all cars not imported to ireland or is there a massive underground car factory in the midlands churning out thousands of cars every year?

Dealers themselves are importing second hand cars from the UK, don't BMW ireland have a radio ad running bigging up the bargains they can do on the cars they have imported from the UK.

How does a UK import second hand become a worse car over night? usually they have better specs than the ROI equiv.

The Irish car market is suffering due to a multitude of reasons, VRT, Economy and a over saturation of dealer and traders. During the boom years there was a massive amount of 'transactions' there is fewer now and unfortunatly as with any industry there will be a shake down and regrettably jobs will be lost.

Why should a government support / bail out an industry that there isn't a need for? The strong players will survive and will serve the market place as is required.

duffman08

why would or should a dealer take an uk import as a trade in in a few years time when they have plenty of Irish cars for sale.
Why should they accommodate someone who might have nearly caused them to go to the wall, why should they.
They should look after their customers who stuck with them through the hard times. and not tying up their own money on an import from a customer that 2 or 3 years previously went looking elsewhere to save a few pound in the short term.
These dealers in the uk love to see the irish coming.
No warranty to follow up on. No aftersales service. mOst wont look afeter the paperwork or clear the VRT on the vehicle.
They are using the irish car market as a release valve for their industry over there because as swamped with cars that the irish car market is, the uk one is worse.
And in reply to all cars being imports, aren't we a genius. Indeed they are.No cars are manufactured in ireland.
But are manufactured abroad to Irish Specifications and Regulations.
For example, ABS is by law required to be fitted to all Irish passanger vehicles.
However some import Toyota Hilux's have been found to not have ABS as standard on their models despite ABS being required to be fitted to all new cars being brought into ireland.

TFP

duffman08 wrote: »

why would or should a dealer take an uk import as a trade in in a few years time when they have plenty of Irish cars for sale.

Car dealers will take in any car that they feel they can make a profit on, just like what they are doing now.

Do you honestly think a dealer will show the door to someone coming in with a UK import to trade in against a new car, just because the car is a UK car? Of course they won't, if they can make a sale, wash out the trade in, they will do the deal.

duffman08 wrote: »

Why should they accommodate someone who might have nearly caused them to go to the wall, why should they.
They should look after their customers who stuck with them through the hard times. and not tying up their own money on an import from a customer that 2 or 3 years previously went looking elsewhere to save a few pound in the short term.

They will look after them if they want to stay in business. There will be a glut of original UK reg cars coming up for chainging in a few years time. If a dealer is stubborn or stupid enough to refuse the business from these customers, the sale will go else where and the dealer of principle will left with his shaking fist at the door.

duffman08 wrote: »

These dealers in the uk love to see the irish coming.
No warranty to follow up on. No aftersales service. mOst wont look afeter the paperwork or clear the VRT on the vehicle.

Of course they love seeing the irish coming, more customers.

as for warranties and aftersales service, like with buying in ireland ... some are better than others and some are just plain useless. Are you trying to say that Irish dealers are all angels when it comes to honoring warranties and after sales services. I reckon there is about 4 or 5 threads a week on these boards complaining about the level of aftersales service of particular dealers .

Anyway some of these irish dealers won't even be around to honour their warranties.

As far as paper work is concerned, if you are making a saving on the cost of the car processing the VRT paperwork is a minor headache for most.

Sure Charles Hurst in Belfast is saying he will look after that side of it.

duffman08 wrote: »

They are using the irish car market as a release valve for their industry over there because as swamped with cars that the irish car market is, the uk one is worse.

And irish buyers are using the UK market for a bigger selection and availing of the EURO - Sterling echange rates, suits both parties nicely.

duffman08 wrote: »

And in reply to all cars being imports, aren't we a genius. Indeed they are.No cars are manufactured in ireland.
But are manufactured abroad to Irish Specifications and Regulations.
For example, ABS is by law required to be fitted to all Irish passanger vehicles.
However some import Toyota Hilux's have been found to not have ABS as standard on their models despite ABS being required to be fitted to all new cars being brought into ireland.

So you are saying that Irish cars are safer than UK cars? I would have to disagree;

A Seat Ibiza I bought new in Ireland in 2003 didn't have ABS as standard, while the UK spec did, it was a €1200 option, if I remember correctly.

The dealer at the time told me that due to how the VRT was calculated, it was deemed a luxuary and would have a huge increase in the price of the car if it was as standard.

This car is still on the road and will be for a good while yet, so I don't see how a few Hilux's with out ABS will produce carnage on the roads when so many 'irish' cars don't have ABS already.

duffman08

There's no where in that thread did i say Irish cars are more safe than uk or any imported ones.
i am merely pointing out the face that the Specifications and Requirements for Irish cars are different than other countries.
And yea we do import all our vehicles built to Irish Requirements and standards. ie: KM clock on the dash board.

And as for statement about looking after customers with UK imports.
if i was a dealer and i had in 3 years time for arguement sake an Irish registered 08 Nissan Micra on the forecourt for €5,000. and a customer comes in with and 08 micra uk import looking to trade.
with 1 OR 2 years of its life undocumented for only knowing it had one owner in the UK?
Should i give him/her the same trade in allowance as i have given the person with the Irish Micra on the Forecourt, whom bought the car from me 3 years ago?

carface

Killme00 wrote: »

I drive a 01 Micra with 19000 miles on the clock
My friend drives a 99 Micra with 145000 on the clock

These things are fcking unstoppable BUT dont spend 12k on one. Spend 5k max.

like lots of other makes/models the older ones are more reliable,
8k is small miles in 08 micra but @12500 is bad value compared to new. did your friend price 08s(irish ex lease) with say 25,000kilometres they can be bought for 10,000euro and will still have 2 years warranty in ireland.
2500 saving= matching uk price,irish car,nissan ireland warranty.
micras are plentyfull second hand so tradein is less affected by mile/kilo
certainly not 2500euros to have 15/20000 less on clock.
all the best

TFP

duffman08 wrote: »

Should i give him/her the same trade in allowance as i have given the person with the Irish Micra on the Forecourt, whom bought the car from me 3 years ago?

A dealer is entitled to offer as much or as little as he/she wants on trade ins. however if they are discriminating in the future against those who were more frugal with their purchases today, they willl suffer as there will always be dealers who want the business. this is called economics.

Can you think of any other business where you would have people calling for their customers to pay higher prices now because we won't deal with you in the future if you don't.

You clearly have a misconcieved notion of how business operate and especially how sucessful businesses work.

This is way off topic anyway, so that is my final word on it.

To the OP, personally I think 12.5K is a lot of money for a Micra considering the overall vaue for money in the industry.

CharlieCroker

From the garage i know well.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Nissan/Micra/1.2-5DR-/200904191598323/advert

Advertised at €11250 so you'd get a good deal on a straight sale

lifer_sean

Here is one for less than 10k, Irish car, on the Naas Road in Dublin.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Nissan/Micra/SXE-%22BES/200909191955521/advert

If you are in the Limerick area PM me if interested in something like this !