How Do We Get Rid Of Pat?

Mingey

I think it's fair to say the vast majority of us are all in agreement that the man is a national joke. He is the most painful, awkward and unprofessional interviewer most of us have ever seen. The only reason the Late Late Show gets watched is because he has hijacked the name and the slot which Gay has worked years & years to get the reputation and good name of what was our most popular shows in the history of RTE. It's unfair that we have to put up with this man every Friday who gets paid a substantial amount and doesn't even put an effort in to research his guests properly. It's a job that your common village idiot could do twice better for minimum wage. Is there anyway we can petition to get rid of him?

c - 13

Well the obvious answer is to get people to stop watching it. But we both know thats not going ot happen.

BaZmO*

It's like asking how do we get out of this recession.

ManFromAtlantis

hes world class on the radio. doesnt always tran to tv tho.

Lump

Was just going to say that - He's quite good on Radio.

Mingey

c - 13 wrote: »

Well the obvious answer is to get people to stop watching it. But we both know thats not going ot happen.

No, but the show has been running for over 30 years. People are used to the slot, many of us have grown up with it. It's not fair that he got lumped into it when no-one wanted him there at all.

ManFromAtlantis wrote: »

hes world class on the radio. doesnt always tran to tv tho.

Fair enough, but maybe he should just stick to what he is good at.

Leaderbored

Mingey wrote: »

I think it's fair to say the vast majority of us are all in agreement that the man is a national joke. He is the most painful, awkward and unprofessional interviewer most of us have ever seen. The only reason the Late Late Show gets watched is because he has hijacked the name and the slot which Gay has worked years & years to get the reputation and good name of what was our most popular shows in the history of RTE. It's unfair that we have to put up with this man every Friday who gets paid a substantial amount and doesn't even put an effort in to research his guests properly. It's a job that your common village idiot could do twice better for minimum wage. Is there anyway we can petition to get rid of him?

It's no-win.

If you want to find out that it's a no-win, give us a list of 5 names who could , in your opinion, do the job better.

Odds on you'll have more that 20 reasons for each name telling you why they're rubbish and why they should never be on Telly/Are crap/ Should just FO and die etc. by this time tomorrow.

For instance:

1. Joe Duffy
2. Ryan Tubridy
3. Gerry Ryan
4. John Creedon
5. Miriam O Callaghan


That's just 5 from the top of my head but there's also Marian Finucane, Eamon Dunphy, David McWilliams, John Waters, Brian Dobson, Craig Doyle etc. etc. with the relevant experience & attributes to choose from as a replacement for Kenny.

Do a search for any of them on the radio & television boards here and see how popular they are. My reckoning is that there will be no candidate with a clear mandate, and it'll become clear that the Late Late is a poison Chalice. Although the vast majority of the viewing public will continue to watch it, there will never be a consensus of satisfaction with the presenter.

Queen-Mise

+1 to leaderbored.

I can really see Ryan Tubridy getting it next though. I wouldn't like Gerry Ryan to get it, he is a bit static these days. I think Ryan would inject a lot of life into the show. He is a great presenter.

Mingey

Any one of those would be better than Kenny. What is wrong with new blood? Gay Byrne was only in his late 20s starting out.
I really don't think Kenny is cut out for television talk shows, it is extremely uncomfortable for the guests & viewer to watch. It's like watching Alan Partridge only less funny.

Leaderbored

Fair enough. You are entitled to your opinion.

Ask the mods to start a poll with those 5 names to ask the users of Boards.ie who should immediately replace Pat Kenny.

My only request is that the 6th option be "None of the above".

Leave the thread open for comment and see what happens.

Mr E

Poll added.

Davei141

c - 13 wrote: »

Well the obvious answer is to get people to stop watching it. But we both know thats not going ot happen.

Exactly. Same idiot's complaining about him every week yet constantly watching it. They are a joke.

deadhead13

"none of the above" would be my option which kind of proves your point.

"Late late" type shows have died out in the UK. Why it has survived here is beyond me.

c - 13

Fair enough but why does it have to be recognised names like those put forward, not saying theres anything wrong with the names put forward or anything but what would be wrong with bringing in someone totally new - not already on RTE's payroll ?

Mingey

Davei141 wrote: »

Exactly. Same idiot's complaining about him every week yet constantly watching it. They are a joke.

Because sometimes there is a guest on that you may admire, you will still watch it even though it is a carcrash. If there are alternatives then great. If the same guest is going to be on Ross, I would watch them on Ross.

Leaderbored

c - 13 wrote: »

Fair enough but why does it have to be recognised names like those put forward, not saying theres anything wrong with the names put forward or anything but what would be wrong with bringing in someone totally new - not already on RTE's payroll ?

I understand that point, but Rté consider the LLS to be some sort of Jewel in the crown of Irish broadcasting, and I cant see any Director General or programme commissioner entrusting it to a John Waters or a Craig Doyle, as mentioned as examples of "non-rté" personalities, never mind to a complete unknown without a televisual track record.

Mingey

Like Gay Byrne ?(at the time of it's commence)

Leaderbored

Mingey wrote: »

Like Gay Byrne ?(at the time of it's commence)

By the time the LLS started, Gay Byrne had been a respected journalist for British television & Rté, familiar on Tellys & radios in Britain & Ireland, who had interviewed world leaders and international superstars.

Mingey

Leaderbored wrote: »

By the time the LLS started, Gay Byrne had been a respected journalist for the British television & Rté, familiar on Tellys & radios in Britain & Ireland, who had interviewed world leaders and international superstars.

He was still quite young too, I just don't see why we are looking to pass the torch RTE dinosaurs, when they can be tapping into other rescources. There must be a handful of young Gaybos in the making knocking around the place.
Having said that, even any of those listed (Bar Dunphy) would surely be better candidates than Pat.

Bondvillain

You're kinda moving the goalposts there Mingey.

Firstly you said it should be given to an unknown, "like Gay Byrne was at it's commencement", when it was pointed out that Gay Byrne was far from unknown In Ireland & the UK when he got the Late Late, you changed it to the idea that it should be 'someone young' who gets the gig.
Pat Kenny was only in his 30's when given his first TV chat show, and yet you reckon he should 'stick to what he's good at' (i.e. radio)

I think the "no-win scenario" post was nail on head, TBH. There will never be a host acceptable to all viewers.

BaZmO*

Also, when Gay get the job originally it wasn't the Jewel in RTE's Crown that it is now. It was a new show.

stevoman

would RTE really have the balls just this one time to go out on a limb and try hire somewhon who isnt already employed by RTE on either television or radio????? there has to be a person out there who can hold an audience and a guest in a well mannered, intellegent and confident manner.

Its gas, all you have to do is get your foot in on the radio and before you know it your a tv presenter of some sort.

I hate RTE so much that i hide my television when the TV inspector comes around so i dont have to pay them.

jill_valentine

Sean Moncrieff doesn't lose his mind and seize up into a ball when somebody says something he's not expecting, and he can force some manner of entertainment out of all but the clinically dead.

I'd say he's one of the country's best presenters, now that we've gone and let Dara O Briain out of our greasy clutches.

BaZmO*

stevoman wrote: »

would RTE really have the balls just this one time to go out on a limb and try hire somewhon who isnt already employed by RTE on either television or radio?????

Not a hope. It's seen as the top job in RTE presenting so they would see it as too much of a risk to get an unknown to do it.

stevoman wrote: »

Its gas, all you have to do is get your foot in on the radio and before you know it your a tv presenter of some sort.

But isn't that the same on the BBC?

stevoman

Does anyone remember when Sarah Ferguson came onto the late late toy show. she was actually a breath of fresh air with the kids compared to pat kennys steel fake and harsh manner with the kids. has that man even fathered a child?

Bondvillain

BaZmO* wrote: »

Also, when Gay get the job originally it wasn't the Jewel in RTE's Crown that it is now. It was a new show.

Very Good point.

destroyer

Kathryn Thomas for the Late Late,....................MMMMMMMMMM
Kathryn Thomas for Tubridy Tonight..........and the news, and the
weather, celebrity jigs and reels, the angelus ,the whole shebang

tomred1

Drive a car through the front of Montrose, oh wait...

daheff

why not Grainne Seoige?? RTE have been trying to give her a talk show for the last couple of years...but the time slot they have is more geared for a couple of people presenting that 1 person.....she'd be miles better than pat (ok..in fairness a wooden plank is better) and she'd be something to look at! :rolleyes:

jimmmy

Mingey wrote: »

Because sometimes there is a guest on that you may admire, you will still watch it even though it is a carcrash. If there are alternatives then great. If the same guest is going to be on Ross, I would watch them on Ross.

And Ross / the BBC would do a much better job too than RTE.

ManFromAtlantis

destroyer wrote: »

Kathryn Thomas for the Late Late,....................MMMMMMMMMM
Kathryn Thomas for Tubridy Tonight..........and the news, and the
weather, celebrity jigs and reels, the angelus ,the whole shebang

dey dey dey dey dey dey dey dey..... (To the tune of the twilight zone)

stalker in the house.

stevoman

BaZmO* wrote: »

Not a hope. It's seen as the top job in RTE presenting so they would see it as too much of a risk to get an unknown to do it.

Why not? Its about time somewhon in RTE had the guts to stand up, listen to what the people want and go out and look for it.

BaZmO* wrote: »

But isn't that the same on the BBC?

No as far as im aware its not. Okay some big personalites do have shows but not on a par with RTE.

Gerry Ryan, Pat Kenny, Ruth Scott, Dave fanning now even Colm and Jim Jim (the fools that they are). There is more aswell im just not going to try and remember.

Plus i also hold RTE as a major part to blame in letting Dustin The Turkey off the represent us in Eurovision. We have some of the best singers, musicians in the world and also the fantastic Traditional Music culture, yet thats what represented us. And i would bet a years wages that the production staff, music, lyrics and ideas were all under the wing of RTE.

Bondvillain

stevoman wrote: »

Dustin The Turkey / under the wing of RTE.

Boom Boom.

Agreed tho. This year, Rté have cancelled outside broadcasts at Cheltenham and the Foreign 6 nations grounds due to 'lack of funding'. This lack of funding wasn't an issue when sending a man with a grating voice and his hand up a cloth puppets hole to Serbia to represent the very pinnacle of our Nations talent. Nor will it stop them holding a farce of a selection process to choose a song that will fail to qualify for this years main competition.

Anyway, irrelevant to the point at hand.

The only person I could imagine taking the reins any way successfully on the LLS in the next 10 years or so is Mark Little. He's literate, knowledgeable, can handle the big political stuff and local fluff, from what I can gather from reading his book he seems to have a good sense of humour and most critically, he's not physically repugnant (that seems to be a deal breaker for many posters on the tv/radio boards )

stevoman

Bondvillain wrote: »

The only person I could imagine taking the reins any way successfully on the LLS in the next 10 years or so is Mark Little. He's literate, knowledgeable, can handle the big political stuff and local fluff, from what I can gather from reading his book he seems to have a good sense of humour and most critically, he's not physically repugnant (that seems to be a deal breaker for many posters on the tv/radio boards )

Also what about John Kelly? He seems to have a clue at whats going on in the world, seems genuine, eager to talk aswell as listen. Id vote for him.

Bondvillain

stevoman wrote: »

Also what about John Kelly? He seems to have a clue at whats going on in the world, seems genuine, eager to talk aswell as listen. Id vote for him.

Scores highly on the physical repugnancy scale. You'd never get boards behind you. Fickle bunch.

Pity, we'd be guaranteed a clever show with an intelligent presenter featuring Seasick Steve and Neil Jordan calibre guests every week.

destroyer

Bondvillain wrote: »

Boom Boom.

Agreed tho. This year, Rté have cancelled outside broadcasts at Cheltenham and the Foreign 6 nations grounds due to 'lack of funding'. This lack of funding wasn't an issue when sending a man with a grating voice and his hand up a cloth puppets hole to Serbia to represent the very pinnacle of our Nations talent. Nor will it stop them holding a farce of a selection process to choose a song that will fail to qualify for this years main competition.

Anyway, irrelevant to the point at hand.



Not totally irrelevant.
A young unknown would do the late late gig for a lot less wages, saving
money for other projects

PCPhoto

sure while yer at it why not throw D'Arcy on the telly ... or that Mooney guy with the ...."goodbyeeeeeeee"

Why dont we sack pat and divide his money up - and just put re-runs of the late late on the telly - "the greatest of.....1980, 92, 85 etc etc"

I think its time that the people at RTE looked at increasing the TV Licence fees - after all if they cant afford to send people to cover the national team playing abroad what are we supposed to watch ?

BTW - what did happen to all the money they get from Licence fees - certainly doesnt go into getting proper presenters (Just my opinion).

BaZmO*

stevoman wrote: »

Why not? Its about time somewhon in RTE had the guts to stand up, listen to what the people want and go out and look for it.

stevoman wrote: »

Plus i also hold RTE as a major part to blame in letting Dustin The Turkey off the represent us in Eurovision. We have some of the best singers, musicians in the world and also the fantastic Traditional Music culture, yet thats what represented us. And i would bet a years wages that the production staff, music, lyrics and ideas were all under the wing of RTE.

Make up your mind buddy. First you want RTE to listen to the people and then you don't want them to listen to the people. Wasn't it the people that sent Dustin off to the Eurovision?

banshee_bones

Mingey wrote: »

He is the most painful, awkward and unprofessional interviewer most of us have ever seen.

+1


soooo true!!!! sometimes i cringe when im forced to watch it with whatever family members wish to do so! agh!

Leaderbored

BaZmO* wrote: »

Make up your mind buddy. First you want RTE to listen to the people and then you don't want them to listen to the people. Wasn't it the people that sent Dustin off to the Eurovision?

If Rte hadn't allowed a contracted employee of the state broadcaster to be an entrant in the first place (They could have refused for any number of reasons - conflict of interest, impartiality, the fact that he's bloody annoying and the song was atrocious shíte) then the people couldn't have sent him.

Mark Little FTW.

Dont be at yourself

Dara O Briain! He's perfect. Funny, intelligent, engaging. He's capable of dealing with the lighter elements but also clearly has an interest and opinions on the more cerebral topics. He's also no doubt amassed some wonderful showbiz contacts across the water, so there's even a chance they could book some decent guests! And, he speaks the cupla focail too, doesnt he?

Leaderbored

Talented fella, but could you see Dara wanting the late late?

I think that's the difference between him and the other chaps and chappetes named above. Everyone else mentioned would conceivably accept the job if offered. I couldn't imagine Dara O Briain doing so. I think he knows he's got far more to offer the world of international broadcasting than the likes of Tubridy or Duffy or even Mark Little do.

Maybe in 30 years...

stevoman

BaZmO* wrote: »

Make up your mind buddy. First you want RTE to listen to the people and then you don't want them to listen to the people. Wasn't it the people that sent Dustin off to the Eurovision?

Read my post properly. I said RTE played a major part in the Dustin The Turkey going to Eurovision. Yes the people voted (most of which were pre pubesent kids using the phones and credit Mammy and Daddy got them), but i would bet and ask does anyone else agree or disagree with me with me, that RTE played more then their fair share in promoting him, hiring the song writer and musicians, hiring the back up dancers and most probobly paying for the set and having the set designed. Basically what im saying that Dustin's bash at Eurovision was basically an RTE production from the get go. (and for the record it was crap)

BaZmO*

stevoman wrote: »

Read my post properly. I said RTE played a major part in the Dustin The Turkey going to Eurovision. Yes the people voted (most of which were pre pubesent kids using the phones and credit Mammy and Daddy got them), but i would bet and ask does anyone else agree or disagree with me with me, that RTE played more then their fair share in promoting him, hiring the song writer and musicians, hiring the back up dancers and most probobly paying for the set and having the set designed. Basically what im saying that Dustin's bash at Eurovision was basically an RTE production from the get go. (and for the record it was crap)

I read your post properly and my point still stands. The people voted for Dustin so they did what the people wanted. And how do you know that most of the people that voted were pre pubesent kids using the phones and credit Mammy and Daddy got them?

stevoman

BaZmO* wrote: »

I read your post properly and my point still stands.

Im not denying for one minute that it was votes that got Dustin into the eurovision. My point is that it was an RTE production all the way, hence they played a major PART in it. See where i am emphasising the word part!

BaZmO* wrote: »

The people voted for Dustin so they did what the people wanted. And how do you know that most of the people that voted were pre pubesent kids using the phones and credit Mammy and Daddy got them?

Thats an assumption, and most probobly a good one. But if your that concerned with proof i recommend you get onto the department in RTE that deals with the whole texting and phone calling in rigmarole and in turn get onto the service providers of each voter and see if you can get their ages and the like. Id be glad to see if im right. Otherwise im quite happy to just presume.

ArmaniJeanss

stevoman wrote: »

Thats an assumption, and most probobly a good one. But if your that concerned with proof i recommend you get onto the department in RTE that deals with the whole texting and phone calling in rigmarole and in turn get onto the service providers of each voter and see if you can get their ages and the like. Id be glad to see if im right. Otherwise im quite happy to just presume.

So you can come out with an assumption that has no evidence and is most likely garbage, and its up to other people to get the evidence to prove it wrong?

You're not in After Hours you know?

stevoman

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

So you can come out with an assumption that has no evidence and is most likely garbage, and its up to other people to get the evidence to prove it wrong?

i know im not in after hours and yes i can presume something if i wish. i checked the charter. nothing against it. im not bothered in going through the bother of finding out the age demographics of all the phone in and texts to that programme on RTE, but i have simply asked if the other poster wishes to i will be more than glad to see if i am right or wrong.

ps - how do you know if my assumption is most likely garbage? do you have the evidence to prove me wrong or would that remark of yours be making an assumption in itself?

TarfHead

Bondvillain wrote: »

literate, knowledgeable, can handle the big political stuff and local fluff

From listening to his radio show, you could form the same opinion about Pat Kenny.

RTE should have shut down The Late Late once Gay Byrne was finished with it. No-one can resurrect it to it's glory days, which were few and far between. Much of the time, under Gay Byrne, the show was pants.

djsupreme

I agree with Tarfhead. The Late Late Show should have gone with Gaybo.

My solution to the problem would be - there's no need for two chat shows at the weekend. There aren't the guests to go around, and we're all sick of seeing the same RTE faces appearing on the different chat shows. Move Tubridy Tonight to Friday night and extend it.

Kenny moves to Sunday nights to present a "week in politics" style heavy hitting current affairs show.

Diabhal Beag

Eamonn Dunphy

xOxSinéadxOx

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Dara O Briain! He's perfect. Funny, intelligent, engaging. He's capable of dealing with the lighter elements but also clearly has an interest and opinions on the more cerebral topics. He's also no doubt amassed some wonderful showbiz contacts across the water, so there's even a chance they could book some decent guests! And, he speaks the cupla focail too, doesnt he?

none of the above tbh, but you're right dara would be pretty awesome!