BSN Cellmas Or BSN Synthia 6 or Regualr Whey

Turbo_diesel

Lads what do you think is the best of these post work out? Also how do people feel about articles like this?

https://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2008/mar/16/supplement-use-the-norm-in-schools-rugby-teams/

podge57

cellmass is a creatine, so its not really comparable to the other 2

i would go with regular whey because its the quickest digesting, syntha 6 is a blend of 6 proteins with different digestion times (hence the name)

also, i dont think your link is working

Turbo_diesel

Sorry about the link I will copy & paste the article below. It indicates that BSN cellmass has been recalled in Australia anyone on here using it?

Supplement use 'the norm' in schools rugby teams
Paul Gallagher
As the Irish Medicines Board investigates the sale of supplements, schools rugby players admit to using them and reveal their side-effects
WHEN 20-year-old Colin Murphy played rugby for Belvedere College . . . today facing St Mary's College in the Leinster Schools Senior Cup final . . . he claims supplement use was the norm.

"It was not unusual for students to be taking shakes and other supplements after training. Maxi Muscle Cyclone is quite popular because of the advertising, " he said.

Murphy described how a fellow student missed training because of illness and tried to bulk up quickly with creatine.

"He became very bloated, which can happen when it's not correctly taken. He probably had overloaded on the amount taken. I tried to look into it and take the stuff that was safe. Most people take stuff without second guessing it, or checking up. If they hear that people are using it, then it's usually good enough for them."

The Sunday Tribune spoke with several former rugby schools players, some from different rugby provinces, most of them now playing at under-20 college level. Many students taking supplements admit to being unconcerned about potential side-effects.

Although mild side-effects are common, some share rumours of more serious side-effects, such as severe headaches and heart palpitations, among other rugby playing students.

Mark Hurst (20) a former schools rugby player from Enniskillen, said Maxi Muscle Cyclone is probably the most common supplement in schools rugby.

"I have used it [Maxi Muscle Cyclone] sparingly for a month. It didn't really have any great effect on me and it was widely used within the school. I would say that Maxi Muscle Cyclone is used by at least 80% of rugby students who are taking supplements.

The advertising on products like Maxi Muscle Cyclone is very strong and appears in a lot of popular health magazines so I don't think potential side-effects are something students worry about."

One current schools rugby player who spoke to the Sunday Tribune asked to be identified only by his first name, Stephen. He says he began to experience heart problems while using a combination of Maxi Muscle Cyclone and another product called BSN Cell Mass. Under advice from his doctor he stopped using both products.

When questioned by the Sunday Tribune about possible long-term effects of such products he maintained it was "necessary" among his peers to bulk up. He now uses only pure protein supplements to increase muscle mass.

James Kelly was playing rugby for a Munster school when he began to experience discomfort while using Maxi Muscle Thermobol, a popular slimming product containing high levels of vitamin B12 which is not authorised for sale without prescription by the Irish Medicines Board.

"It started to speed up my heart and I became a bit concerned about this. Sometimes I had a tightening in my chest which was a bit uncomfortable. I started to realise that this probably wasn't normal and I stopped using it."

Kelly is acutely aware of the pressure within the schools rugby system. "There can be great pressure on players within schools rugby. The level of training is like that of a professional athlete and there can be a lot of pressure on schools for success so the desire is there on the part of students to get an extra edge which a supplement can offer. Rugby has become a professional game and this is something which rival sports like the GAA don't offer."

Dara Kernan (21) who has played rugby for 13 years, began to experience heart palpitations with a popular sports supplement, BSN Nitrix.

"This supplement [Nitrix] is the only supplement I've experienced any problems with, and it was only for a short while when I started taking it. I started getting heart palpitations and very short spells of dizziness to the point where I was going to almost black out.

"The palpitations were very short but were quite intense.

It did say on the bottle that some side-effects might happen."

Dara also became concerned about the number of capsules the product recommended he should take.

"I became concerned about the dosage. It says that for my body weight I should take four tablets three times a day, but after getting heart palpitations, there was no way I was going to start putting 12 tablets into my body."

Death of Jamie Quinn Jamie Quinn, like most men in their early 20s, led an active sporting life; he played soccer and GAA and was a coach at underage soccer level. He was about to start playing golf the day after he died.

On 2 October 2004, while out enjoying himself with friends at a nightclub in his local town of Edenderry, Co Offaly, Quinn collapsed on the dance floor and died after attempts to revive him failed.

The coroner's inquest last November revealed Quinn died due to asphyxia, which resulted from a combination of moderate to high alcohol levels, steroids and creatine. The level of alcohol was not considered unusual for a young man of his age.

Quinn had been using a muscle-building creatine product called Cell-Tech. His mother remembers Quinn started to feel unwell when he began taking it.

"He initially thought he had diabetes and he spoke to some people about this, but he seemed fine again a while after this. Using supplements was just something new that he had started to get into, just like other sports."

Traces of anabolic steroids were found in the postmortem analysis, giving rise to worrying concerns given what the Sunday Tribune found to be contained in supplements sold in many shops in Ireland.

Medical concerns Dr Martin Henman of the school of pharmacy at Trinity College Dublin said of the product Maxi Muscle Cyclone, which contains beta-ecdysterone, that it should be on sale by prescription only.

"Beta-ecdysterone was labelled an anabolic steroid by the Irish Medicines Board, " he said. He also said the level of vitamin B12 in Maxi Muscle Thermobol meant it should also be available only with a prescription.

Dr Conor O'Brien, former chairperson of the Irish-Anti Doping Committee and former committee member of the World Anti-doping Agency, said legislation was called for.

"We need a structure and legislation and it's a very grey area. It is now a concern with young men dropping dead as a result of sudden cardiac arrest, showing that this could be also caused by contaminated supplements as anabolic androgenic steroids which can cause direct cardiac damage. Heart muscle hypertrophy, elevation in blood pressure and interference with the normal rhythm and conductivity of the heart have been reported."

O'Brien began lecturing to schools on the issue as long as 10 years ago, but admits the problem is now growing, "While supplements may indeed improve your performance in sport, you may well be taking something that will cause long-term damage to your health, " he said.

The Irish Rugby Football Union (IRFU) is also concerned at the use of supplements in rugby-playing schools, and recently issued guidelines to schools advising against the use of supplements such as creatine.

A Croke Park spokesperson yesterday said: "The GAA would not not encourage the use of creatine-like supplements for its players."

Speaking to the Sunday Tribune earlier this year, Brendan Buckley of the Irish Sports Council said: "There are one or two schools who have adopted good preventative policies, but these schools generally aren't the ones with the winning teams. . . I would be extremely concerned that a blind eye is being turned to this problem by the schools when in fact it is their duty to show leadership."

The facts Substances such as ephedra, once widely used in slimming products, were banned some years ago due to health concerns. This brought about a move within the billion-dollar supplements industry to replicate ephedra-like ingredients which many believe may be just as harmful.

Many of them are now using bitter orange, an ingredient common in weightloss supplements that are often marketed as 'ephedra free'. This substance is contained in concentrated form in Maxi Muscle Thermobol.

Bitter orange is a stimulant derived from a citrus fruit which contains related chemicals that, like ephedra, may raise blood pressure and disturb heart rhythms. Ephedra's active ingredient is ephedrine, while the active ingredient in bitter orange is synephrine;

both act as adrenaline-like stimulants that affect the heart and nervous system.

While synephrine is not included on the World Antidoping Agency's list of prohibited substances, which came into effect in January of this year, a spokeswoman for the Food and Drugs Administration in the US has previously said synephrine is associated with seven deaths and 85 adverse reactions.

The Sunday Tribune was unable to contact Maximuscle Ltd, manufacturers of Cyclone and Thermobol.

Internationally, concerns have been raised over the ingredients and safety of BSN products. The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) of Australia recently recalled BSN Cell Mass, along with several other products from different manufactures.

TGA, Australia's medicines regulator, labelled the supplement Cell Mass as a class-one defect . . . "potentially threatening or could cause a serious risk to health". It maintained BSN Cell Mass contained traces of coumarin, a prescription drug used to prevent blood clots. Possible side-effects associated with drugs such as coumarin can include excessive bleeding and coumarin should not be used in combination with certain medications, including antibiotics.

When contacted by the Sunday Tribune to clarify its position in relation to its products sold in Ireland, BSN referred to a press release in which it stated: "BSN believes that these allegations are based upon unreliable testing methods and it intends to provide the court with independent test results which are based upon proper scientific methods."

Last year, another BSN product, No-Xplode, was taken off the shelves of a number of outlets when a concerned parent called an RTE radio programme after becoming aware that her son, a schools rugby player, had been using supplements against her wishes.

Like Maxi Muscle Thermobol, this product also contained high levels of vitamin B12, meaning it should be sold only with a doctor's prescription.

One schools rugby player speaking on the RTE report, who was not identified, claimed a large number of his rugby colleagues had been using the product. The Irish Medicines Board later visited several outlets and removed the product.

While No-Xplode was not available yesterday in supplement shops and on Irish websites, it is still available online from outside Ireland.

Creatine itself is sometimes dubbed the 'legal steroid'. It was banned in France after the French Agency for Medical Security for Food (AFASS) suggested possible links between creatine and cancer.

The agency quoted studies that showed creatine caused "digestive, muscular and cardiovascular problems".

The AFASS also stated that creatine should be regarded as "contrary to the rules, spirit, significance of sport". Creatine is also banned by the French Rugby Union. It has not been banned by the International Olympic Committee.

The World Anti-doping Agency stated: "Ecdysteroids are not considered a prohibited substance under the WADA list of prohibited substances and methods."

Gillo

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

Sorry about the link I will copy & paste the article below. It indicates that BSN cellmass has been recalled in Australia anyone on here using it?

Not using it at the moment, but I have used it and it does work. Did I notice any side effects? Nothing negative, it did pretty much what I expected. I'm not taking anything other than protein at the moment other than protein (incidentally syntha 6), the reason I'm not on it at the moment is I am taking a break from it as directed in the instructions.

That article is the same as the many more written before it- sensationalist in order to sell papers. Personally, I think a lot of people use supplements thinking they are magic beans, you still gotta do the work and really watch your diet. As for kid's taking them, IMHO I think they shouldn't really until they have stopped growing not sure if there is any medical study into teenagers taking stuff but I'd be interested in reading it.

big_poppa

I'd recommend synthia 6 all the way as its had some good write up's and haven't seen much bad said about it by anyone. Am not crazy about any creatine products as everyone i've tried i've always bloated out which cant be good for you body plus your body already produces creatine naturely so i think its not needed but thats just my opinion

Degsy

Most of this stuff is just overexpensive,overmarketed tripe.
Go and lift some weights.

unreggd

Degsy wrote: »

Most of this stuff is just overexpensive,overmarketed tripe.
Go and lift some weights.

Did u even read the original post?



The only big difference is the cost

BSN is the nicest tasting whey you will ever drink

and its made up of 6 diff proteins, instead of just whey, so you're meant to absorb more of it

Only down side is the price. its about 40 euro a tub, but its a small tub, and the scoops are big

I'd only go for it if u have VERY picky tastebuds and cant stomach any of the cheaper whey

The Supp Factory does a large tub of vanilla for 30 euro and the taste is fine

Roper

The article is great. Some key quotes, slightly paraphrased:

"I ate something, I felt a bit funny and it made me feel a bit sick, so I kept eating it"
and
"Lots of guys are drinking shakes, there's lots of advertisements"
and
"The legal steroid"!!!!!!! LOL if only it worked like steroids. Instead it gives you maybe 0.5% when you're already at 50%, 3% when you're already at 80% and sweet fanny adams when you're at 40%.

Whoever keeps commisioning and paying for these articles needs to be sacked.

In depth investigative journalism at it's best.

Degsy

unreggd wrote: »

Did u even read the original post?



The only big difference is the cost

BSN is the nicest tasting whey you will ever drink

and its made up of 6 diff proteins, instead of just whey, so you're meant to absorb more of it

Only down side is the price. its about 40 euro a tub, but its a small tub, and the scoops are big

I'd only go for it if u have VERY picky tastebuds and cant stomach any of the cheaper whey

The Supp Factory does a large tub of vanilla for 30 euro and the taste is fine

Taste be damned.
Look at the price of some of this stuff..it'd want to be giving enormous results to justify the outlay.
And you know what...it wont make much difference to most people at all.

Jonny303

unreggd wrote: »

Did u even read the original post?



The only big difference is the cost

BSN is the nicest tasting whey you will ever drink

and its made up of 6 diff proteins, instead of just whey, so you're meant to absorb more of it

Only down side is the price. its about 40 euro a tub, but its a small tub, and the scoops are big

I'd only go for it if u have VERY picky tastebuds and cant stomach any of the cheaper whey

The Supp Factory does a large tub of vanilla for 30 euro and the taste is fine

just thought id give irish lifting a quick plug, syntha 6 for 3lb tub 27.99:D