Which is a better amp Marshall 100/250dfx?

rgjmce

I am just wondering cause i am finding that 250s are cheaper than 100s
anyone tell me y? isn't the 250 higher up in the range

MagicMarker

They're both shít, don't waste your money.

darrenw5094

Both are pure rubbish. Shame on Marshall for going down the budget road. Gold diggers. Don't be fooled by extra effects on some of these amps.

Might get a second hand Marshall DSL 40w all valve amp second hand for around €500 if you look around.

rgjmce

Well unfortunately i am not made of money like you two, i need a decent amp for jammin' and giggin' and anything that is better than the 15 watt that i have at the moment. So for me the marshall is the best option.

darrenw5094

That is not the best option. There are other options than the MG range. Even the Marshall AVT amp would be a bit better.

Line 6 amps would sound much better for the same money.

CianRyan

What's your budget and sound you're looking for?

Help, we can.

rgjmce

between 150-200

rgjmce

darrenw5094 wrote: »

That is not the best option. There are other options than the MG range. Even the Marshall AVT amp would be a bit better.

Line 6 amps would sound much better for the same money.

They may sound better but the marshall is more reliable

Eoin Madsen

rgjmce wrote: »

Well unfortunately i am not made of money like you two, i need a decent amp for jammin' and giggin' and anything that is better than the 15 watt that i have at the moment. So for me the marshall is the best option.

On a budget, I'd suggest a Line6 Spider or some kind of Roland Cube.

The Marshall MGs and various "valvestate" amps are basically designed to appeal to beginners who are attracted to the Marshall name. They have no redeeming features at all tbh.

Dord

Neither are good.

Eoin Madsen

rgjmce wrote: »

They may sound better but the marshall is more reliable

That is not at all true in my experience. I've had to engineer more than a few cheap Marshalls, unfortunately.

Red Sleeping Beauty

rgjmce wrote: »

between 150-200

Check out Adverts.is with your budget.

Why do you want a 100 Watt amp ? Or a 250 Watt amp ?
What sort of tone are you after?
I don't know why the 100watt would be cheaper, where are you buying/looking from ?

Dord wrote: »

Neither are good.

Neither are good for what ? If rgjmce is just playing in his bedroom and he's not a tone snob then it'll do just fine

Voodu Child

The Marshall MG range are no good, they sound pretty bad.

If you've 200 to spend, look at the modellers - the Line6 range, Vox, Roland Cubes, etc. They're all pretty similar, and for the money they'll give good, useable tones for practice/bedroom noodling. A Marshall MG will just sound like a bee in a can.

darrenw5094

Marshalls break down too. But for €200, you won't get much by way of a gigging amp.

Still think Line 6 is the best option. Even a Line 6 POD XT Live straight into the mixing desk would be a great idea, providing you have a monitor.

if6was9

Those Mg series amps really are as bad as everyone says. They sound awful. Too many people buy them because they are familiar with the marshall name.
On your budget I would go for a Peavey Bandit 112. I got one used and I use it as my practice amp and have gigged it in the past. It sounds really decent and has a simple no gimmick layout, with a nice range of tones.

rgjmce

Well it's nice that everyone gave me their opinion but here is the way it is, i have only found marshalls and plus i think it's down to taste, i like the sound of the marshall, i am gonna have a look at one soon but i will check and see if i can find other makes too if i can

spoonbadger

rgjmce wrote: »

They may sound better but the marshall is more reliable

No.

rgjmce wrote: »

Well it's nice that everyone gave me their opinion but here is the way it is, i have only found marshalls and plus i think it's down to taste, i like the sound of the marshall, i am gonna have a look at one soon but i will check and see if i can find other makes too if i can

That would be understandable if you were looking at higher range valve amps, but the MG series has zero character.

Anywhere that you can find marshalls, you'll find Line6s and Rolands. If you dont want it for the tone, then think of the resale value. MGs have pretty much the worst resale value on the market.

CianRyan

Right, i have taken it upon myself to search adverts.ie for you, now seriously, listen, i know you like marshall, i like marshall too, they make great amps, but they make sh!te amps too, dog rough stuff.
Any thing with MG on it from marshall is going to be terrible.
You may think you like the amps, but get out there and start trying other amps, and you will realize that the MG series is rubish.

Option one,
Fender Roc Pro 700: http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=75115&cat=16

Line6 Spider: http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=93890&cat=16

Vox Concert 501: http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=92793&cat=16


All of these are a MUCH better option than the MG series.
Seriously, don't get the mg, please.

rgjmce

CianRyan wrote: »

Right, i have taken it upon myself to search adverts.ie for you, now seriously, listen, i know you like marshall, i like marshall too, they make great amps, but they make sh!te amps too, dog rough stuff.
Any thing with MG on it from marshall is going to be terrible.
You may think you like the amps, but get out there and start trying other amps, and you will realize that the MG series is rubish.

Option one,
Fender Roc Pro 700: http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=75115&cat=16

Line6 Spider: http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=93890&cat=16

Vox Concert 501: http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=92793&cat=16


All of these are a MUCH better option than the MG series.
Seriously, don't get the mg, please.

really apreciate this, i'll check them out

The vox and fender aren't really what i am looking for but might go and see the line 6

darrenw5094

The Line 6 Spider is better amp than any Marshall MG.
That one on adverts.ie is only €150.

OK-Cancel-Apply

Check out the Vox AD series.

Dord

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

Neither are good for what ? If rgjmce is just playing in his bedroom and he's not a tone snob then it'll do just fine

Neither of those amps are good for anything. Awful awful amps which will just turn him off playing. It's nothing to do with being a tone snob, they're just rubbish amps. Nothing like a real Marshall in terms of sound.

rgjmce

Dord wrote: »

Neither of those amps are good for anything. Awful awful amps which will just turn him off playing. It's nothing to do with being a tone snob, they're just rubbish amps. Nothing like a real Marshall in terms of sound.

Excuse me, i am not a beginner when it comes to playing guitar and i will never be turned off playing

Dord

rgjmce wrote: »

Excuse me, i am not a beginner when it comes to playing guitar and i will never be turned off playing

I never said you were a beginner. :rolleyes:

CianRyan

If i had a marshall MG i wouldn't play through the amp, and i've been playing years.

rgjmce

Dord wrote: »

I never said you were a beginner. :rolleyes:

sorry just seemed like you meant that

KevLeppard

rgjmce wrote: »

I am just wondering cause i am finding that 250s are cheaper than 100s
anyone tell me y? isn't the 250 higher up in the range

Both are absolute crap to be honest, stay well away from them. Also, dont go near the Marshall MG series. Those amps basically use the Marshall brand to attract any potential buyers but the quality is the pits.

On the budget you mentioned, its gonna be VERY hard to get a decent amp. You MIGHT get a Laney 40 watt valve if you stretched your budget a liitle bit higher. A 40 watt valve amp is more powerful than a 40 watt transistor or valvestate amp so dont get too bogged down with comparisons with wattage.

Marshall AVT series, not too bad considering the price, but you could probably get a combo second hand for €300 to €350.

A mate of mine has a Roland Cube 60 watt amp, think he paid around €300 (new) and its a decent amp for that money.

punchdrunk

please don't buy an MG,please!

Ravelleman

Yeah, what he said.

Take the advice.

rgjmce

Hey I think i have finally seen the light cause last night i was playing out of a laney 50W (i think) and it sounded way better than the marshall. I am gonna check out a bunch of amps before i decide though, including a few MGs, just cause of the price

Paolo_M

rgjmce wrote: »

Hey I think i have finally seen the light cause last night i was playing out of a laney 50W (i think) and it sounded way better than the marshall. I am gonna check out a bunch of amps before i decide though, including a few MGs, just cause of the price

Great stuff.
I don't think anyone here was having a go at you or anything it's just that the MGs are sh*te and you pay extra for the Marshall badge. You need to spending more serious money to get a "real" Marshall.
If you're on a budget you could buy a similarily sh*te AN Other amp for a lot cheaper or spend the same money on something better. The lads have given some good examples of better quality, similar price amps already.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Marshall Valvestate is a good compromise between cost and sound quality

Eoin Madsen

I have to say, I really don't agree. Strongly! A roland or a line 6 is a good compromise between cost and quality. But Marshall Valvestates sound like a broken car alarm on stage and a biscuit tin full of rice and angry bees in the studio. And they're not reliable, I've had to deal with numerous wonky Valvestates. They really are the most over-priced junk I've ever come across. At least an MG is dirt cheap.

Eh, so yeah, I've had a few bad experiences with Valvestates. :pac:

Paolo_M

^+1, any valvestate I've seen (and I've actually owned one too) has had brutal build quality. The sound isn't whole lot better than a MG either, but then it couldn't be a lot worse. :pac:

Red Sleeping Beauty

Eoin Madsen wrote: »

I have to say, I really don't agree. Strongly! A roland or a line 6 is a good compromise between cost and quality. But Marshall Valvestates sound like a broken car alarm on stage and a biscuit tin full of rice and angry bees in the studio. And they're not reliable, I've had to deal with numerous wonky Valvestates. They really are the most over-priced junk I've ever come across. At least an MG is dirt cheap.

Eh, so yeah, I've had a few bad experiences with Valvestates. :pac:

I've had one since October 2005 and it's working grand with zero problems - what were wonky with your amp(s)?

I got mine ex-demo at 300 euros (600 new was expensive, times have changed)

Eoin Madsen

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

I've had one since October 2005 and it's working grand with zero problems - what were wonky with your amp(s)?

Usually intermittency, but in general lots of hum and buzz, and once in particular, a VS100 head I was engineering was inexplicably microphonic. But even if they were solid as a rock, they still sound abhorrent imo.

Sorry for offending your amp.

Red Sleeping Beauty

I think it sounds fine. I know I'm in the loud minority

rgjmce

But i wanna make sure i'm right buying something else cause i am gonna check out an mg 2moro or friday and if i like it then i'll buy it. The one thing i will say is this, i have a bunch of mates who have mgs and have no problems with them, tone wise or reliablity wise and these guys ain't beginners, one has been playing for over ten years now.

CianRyan

Do yourself a favore and try out some other amps first.

Voodu Child

rgjmce wrote: »

But i wanna make sure i'm right buying something else cause i am gonna check out an mg 2moro or friday and if i like it then i'll buy it. The one thing i will say is this, i have a bunch of mates who have mgs and have no problems with them, tone wise or reliablity wise and these guys ain't beginners, one has been playing for over ten years now.

You're not still looking at the MGs are you ? :pac:

Did you even count the number of people who popped into the thread just to tell you how bad they are? I think it's about 12

MagicMarker

rgjmce wrote: »

But i wanna make sure i'm right buying something else cause i am gonna check out an mg 2moro or friday and if i like it then i'll buy it. The one thing i will say is this, i have a bunch of mates who have mgs and have no problems with them, tone wise or reliablity wise and these guys ain't beginners, one has been playing for over ten years now.

I know of people who have been playing for over ten years and have been happy with an MG, they mainly played for themselves in the comfort of their own home, you can buy an amp for 50 euro and be happy with it under the same conditions.

The MG's are not good amps, this is a plain and simple fact. You don't even get what you pay for. Any working musician with any kind of respect for their ''sound'' would not touch one, simply because they're awful.

But by all means if you want to waste a couple hundred euro go ahead. I have a feeling if the marshall tag wasn't on the front of the amp you wouldn't have such a hard time listening to people here.

Red Sleeping Beauty

I don't think rgjmce is a working musician

spoonbadger

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

I don't think rgjmce is a working musician

Neither are we, but we still wouldn't touch an MG .

darrenw5094

Most peoples advice here is to try out other options....Line 6, Vox etc.
So, if you posted a thread here to get peoples advice.....then take their advice.
There are better options than the MG, but if you are happy with it, then go for it. At least try out the other options.

Alanstrainor

Well i dont think there's much more we can do really, we've given you all the advice you need. If you still buy the mg series grand, be happy about it. Just know that the money you're handing over could be better spent on one of the many options we've suggested. You're paying a lot just for the marshall name.

Paolo_M

One last quick suggestion:
Buy an Elka or some "equivalent-but-a-lot-cheaper-than-a-MG-type-amp" (that should be a seperate aisle in any good music store :pac:) and then go here http://www.tube-town.net/ttstore/index.php/cat/c192_Logos.html, buy one of these

and get glueing.
Seriously though, for anyone interested have a skin around this site, it's cool.

MagicMarker

alan dunne 27 wrote: »

I don't think rgjmce is a working musician

By working I meant playing anywhere other than their bedroom:p

darrenw5094

F**k it man....get a car loan out and buy a Mesa Boogie Triaxis, Mesa 2:90 power amp, a pair of 4x12 Mesa cabs, TC Electronic G-Force and a Rocktron All Access midi controller. You might need some leads too.

Sorted.

rgjmce

MagicMarker wrote: »

I know of people who have been playing for over ten years and have been happy with an MG, they mainly played for themselves in the comfort of their own home.

He is playing gigs and quite big ones i might add

MagicMarker

rgjmce wrote: »

He is playing gigs and quite big ones i might add

Oh right, we all must be wrong then.

Take a walk around some ''big gigs'' over the next few weeks, come back to me and let me know how many MG's you see.

progsound

Man you should get the mg its a beast of an amp