Late Late Show

Burtchaell

You have to admire the way in which Eamonn Dunphy handled Eoghan Harris on the late late show. Must say Eoghan Harris really is the most accomplished political prostitute in the history of the Irish state. He started as a communist, then freewheeled in the workers party, did standup comedian for the blueshirts and finished up appointed by Bertie to the Senate.

I rest my case!

MrMiyagi

What are you on about!

Dunphy and his emmotional heartfelt performance but its too late for this years oscars.

waters, dunphy and harris = 3 tins of ronseal you know exactly what your going to get

d22ontour

Late Late in politics ? It might be live but is it not scripted ? Pat Kenny couldn't think of a decent question 'ad lib' to save his life.

gyppo

Burtchaell wrote:

; Must say Eoghan Harris really is the most accomplished political prostitute in the history of the Irish state.

A very accurate summary of his performance tonight - he came out with some tripe.

JP Liz

Burtchaell wrote: »

Eoghan Harris really is the most accomplished political prostitute in the history of the Irish state

quote of the day

I thought Dunphy might mention the pay cuts

Daroxtar

Absolute tripe alright. Maybe his chinese generals will save the economy for us:rolleyes:

SOH32

Dunphy played the populist card very well but he has very valid points regarding accountability & the public needing to see some heads roll (Seanie Fitz, the regulator etc)

But am I alone in thinking that the media are over playing the negatiivity, hyping up the bust as much as they hyped up the 'boom'. very little constructive commentary.

Tristram

Burtchaell wrote: »

Must say Eoghan Harris really is the most accomplished political prostitute in the history of the Irish state.

Indeed. The man is a walking, talking joke. Dunphy's tearjerk did little for me.

MrMiyagi

SOH32 wrote: »

Dunphy played the populist card very well but he has very valid points regarding accountability & the public needing to see some heads roll (Seanie Fitz, the regulator etc)

But am I alone in thinking that the media are over playing the negatiivity, hyping up the bust as much as they hyped up the 'boom'. very little constructive commentary.

The media are building up the negativity and yet dunphy only takes a 10% pay cut on €300k

Burtchaell

Dunphy was the first to take the 10% cut. He was the first to offer it and how many have followed his example??? At least its a start. If they were all that correct then it would be better.

MrMiyagi

Burtchaell wrote: »

Dunphy was the first to take the 10% cut. He was the first to offer it and how many have followed his example??? At least its a start. If they were all that correct then it would be better.

He was the first to take the cut and the first to take the credit Enda Kenny style.

Dunphy always plays the same political cards the hepatitus C suffers, the suits (bankers / fai) and the victimised criminals in the joy for stealing bread rolls

Daroxtar

MrMiyagi wrote: »

Dunphy always plays the same political cards the hepatitus C suffers, the suits (bankers / fai) and the victimised criminals in the joy for stealing bread rolls

ya , but its a very valid point. who deserves to be in jail more- a shoplifter or someone who embezzled millions?

MrMiyagi

Daroxtar wrote: »

ya , but its a very valid point. who deserves to be in jail more- a shoplifter or someone who embezzled millions?

True but I cant see the cops pulling up to the country club to collect fitzpatrick

At least the enron guys all got jail accept one died before trial

SOH32

Daroxtar wrote: »

ya , but its a very valid point. who deserves to be in jail more- a shoplifter or someone who embezzled millions?

but do we honestly expect to see anybody convicted over the many irregularities?

There is much to be said about looking forward & expending energies on navigating our way out of this turmoil but surely a part of that process involves punishing those who breached trust, company law, stock exchange regs etc etc

deadhead13

Dunphy the millionaire crying over the plight of the common man - f**k off yah spoofer.

Daroxtar

its the biggest problem with the law here- no enforcement but everyone suffers for the mistakes of the few.

jmayo

Just to lighten things a little.
I fell asleep last night on couch, Pat Kenny does that to me
Other half woke me and first thing I see facing me is Harris on the telly :mad:
First words out of my mouth ala Fr Jack were "who let that gobshi** on ".
I should have known it was still the late late :rolleyes:

Why does Late Late continously give a platform to that muppet ?

irish_bob

deadhead13 wrote: »

Dunphy the millionaire crying over the plight of the common man - f**k off yah spoofer.

dunphy has always been a populist posing as a radical independant free thinking rebel

Mr.Micro

Two things about the Late late last night, first was the sanctimonious Harris oozing verbose rubbish and his beloved Bertie mentioned several times and then Brian Cowen with equal measure. Boy does he love to talk and the sound of his own voice. Nauseating.


The second thing, Cian O Connor and Uncle Pat gently guiding him through his interview and about losing his gold medal. At the end there was only one to blame for the doping of the horse, it was that dirty horse himself Waterford Crystal who got the dope , took it himself and never told Cian or the coach or anybody. Pathetic. A fairytale.

ltdslipdiff

I think if Dunphy had his way we'd be burning down bankers houses right now, I'd probably be there helping too.... I thought it honest that he admitted to being hoodwinked by the dream lifestyle, chances of his house being knocked-on by the Sherrifs is slim mind you. I found myself getting emotional in my own way during his outbursts, I know too many people losing their jobs..........

P. Breathnach

ltdslipdiff wrote: »

I think if Dunphy had his way we'd be burning down bankers houses right now, I'd probably be there helping too....

And how would that solve the problem?

ltdslipdiff

Of course it wouldn't help, I jest. I do think however its time for action and accountability.

juuge

ltdslipdiff wrote: »

...I do think however its time for action and accountability.

Spot on! There are people that have spent time in Mountjoy for not paying the TV licence fee. John Waters claimed that there is no point in pursuing the bankers as that will not get us out of the recession, agreed, however there is a thing called 'justice' and the guys that have f**ked-up must be made accountable and punished accordingly, otherwise we may as well pack it in.

P. Breathnach

juuge wrote: »

John Waters claimed that there is no point in pursuing the bankers as that will not get us out of the recession,

I don't think he did. His message was that going after the bankers would not get us out of our trouble, and that he wanted to focus on what was necessary on what would would do that.

Things then became so fractured, with Dunphy ranting and then playing the sad violin, that the discussion was derailed.

But I don't think Waters has a clue about what to do; nor has Dunphy; nor has Harris (whose only message seemed to be "Trust Brian Cowen").

I turned it off.

pokerface_me

P. Breathnach wrote: »

But I don't think Waters has a clue about what to do; nor has Dunphy; nor has Harris (whose only message seemed to be "Trust Brian Cowen").

I turned it off.

Well since you have the Answer's Mr Breathnach can you help me out. My brother was laid off last month after 13 years hard work to the same building company, married with 3 children, nice house in Tallaght. He took home 750 a week and with household bills a mortgage and 4 mouths to feed it was enough. He has no debts other than the mortgage, she drives 99 fiesta, he drives 96 renault megane, 1 holiday a year and 1 night out a month, but they were happy. Now his world is in turmoil still has 4 mouths to feed given 3000euro payoff company was broke, he put it straight of the mortgage, social welfare gives him 340 a week to cover everything, the guy was in tears on thursday at my table looking for a loan of a 100 euro to get shopping in tesco's. My point is Dunphy is right about Joe Public and till you experience it you know absolutly nothing about it my friend.

I never thought much of Eamon Dunphy up to now but he's the only person i've seen thats been real about whats going on in this country, and till your the one on the dole que wondering where the kids lunches, yes lunches for school the next day are coming from, i don't feel you can have a go at somebody for standing up for them, you never know you might see my brother down the dole office next week and you might know how it feels.

Jail them all every one of them.

PYRO#1

Hard times are coming. I think the country needs to pull together. The wealthy need to help the poor. Those in jobs need to shoulder the tax burden to help those who have lost theirs. We needs the banks to front up!!!!!!!!!!! This means the goverment needs to find those accountable, including the regulator, and punish them. The banks need to take a look at what people can pay back on mortgages and loans and accept less until we get the country back on its feet and people back working so they can continue to clear their debts. We need to make this country more self reliant and slowly grow our exports and we needs to upskill our workers. WE AS A PEOPLE AND A COUNTRY HAVE HUGE POTENTIAL!!! KEEPS YOUR HEADS AND DONT LOSE HEART UNTIL WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS MESS!!!

pokerface_me

PYRO#1 wrote: »

Hard times are coming. I think the country needs to pull together. The wealthy need to help the poor. Those in jobs need to shoulder the tax burden to help those who have lost theirs. We needs the banks to front up!!!!!!!!!!! This means the goverment needs to find those accountable, including the regulator, and punish them. The banks need to take a look at what people can pay back on mortgages and loans and accept less until we get the country back on its feet and people back working so they can continue to clear their debts. We need to make this country more self reliant and slowly grow our exports and we needs to upskill our workers. WE AS A PEOPLE AND A COUNTRY HAVE HUGE POTENTIAL!!! KEEPS YOUR HEADS AND DONT LOSE HEART UNTIL WE CAN GET OUT OF THIS MESS!!!

+1 WELL SAID MAN.

ntlbell

does anyone have a link to the interview? i can't see one on rte

SeanW

What's up with Eoin Harris anyway - is he going for a "transparent whore of the year" award or something?

I only watched a few minutes of it, including Dunphy's breakdown, but in the space of about 1/4 of an hour, he:
Compared Brain Cowen to Winston Churchill :eek:
Said of punishing the banking regulator and bankers that made crazily bad loans that scapegoating won't solve anything :eek::eek:
Then at another point when asked whether Brian Cowen should apologies for his (mis)handling of the property bubble during his time as Minister for Finance, he said that would be like asking Tony Blair to apologise for the Famine. :eek::eek::eek:

WTF? If he's the only one confident we'll pull through this and that Brian Cowen is the man to do it, then we may as well all just pack up and move to Japan.

Burtchaell

Here here! pokerface_me knows exactly what its about. I totally agree and I never had much time for Dunphy until recently. At the minute he seems like the only one that has woken up and smelled the coffee!

hawker

pokerface_me wrote: »

Well since you have the Answer's Mr Breathnach can you help me out. My brother was laid off last month after 13 years hard work to the same building company, married with 3 children, nice house in Tallaght. He took home 750 a week and with household bills a mortgage and 4 mouths to feed it was enough. He has no debts other than the mortgage, she drives 99 fiesta, he drives 96 renault megane, 1 holiday a year and 1 night out a month, but they were happy. Now his world is in turmoil still has 4 mouths to feed given 3000euro payoff company was broke, he put it straight of the mortgage, social welfare gives him 340 a week to cover everything, the guy was in tears on thursday at my table looking for a loan of a 100 euro to get shopping in tesco's. My point is Dunphy is right about Joe Public and till you experience it you know absolutly nothing about it my friend.

I never thought much of Eamon Dunphy up to now but he's the only person i've seen thats been real about whats going on in this country, and till your the one on the dole que wondering where the kids lunches, yes lunches for school the next day are coming from, i don't feel you can have a go at somebody for standing up for them, you never know you might see my brother down the dole office next week and you might know how it feels.

Jail them all every one of them.

I'm a public servant and I was mightily p....ed off after the introduction of the pension levy. After reading that post above I now realise how lucky I am. I'm by no means well off and money can be very tight but at least I have money coming in every week. If my levy means that it will help people like the chap mentioned find a way out of this mess, then so be it.

Delta Kilo

hawker wrote: »

If my levy means that it will help people like the chap mentioned find a way out of this mess, then so be it.

Problem is, it isn't. It is going to be used to try and sort out the new bank that we now all own so that FFs property developer "friends" wont be hit as hard. It would be better if the government used our taxes to pay peoples mortgages who are now unemployed until they find a job again. I know we need a functioning bank system but i think it is crazy putting billions into a system without any mention of trying to reform it-> No mention of making the bank change its reserve/liquidity ratio or forcefully removing the CEOs and holding them accountable for what they did so the next generation will NOT follow suit.

Lizzykins

pokerface_me wrote: »

Well since you have the Answer's Mr Breathnach can you help me out. My brother was laid off last month after 13 years hard work to the same building company, married with 3 children, nice house in Tallaght. He took home 750 a week and with household bills a mortgage and 4 mouths to feed it was enough. He has no debts other than the mortgage, she drives 99 fiesta, he drives 96 renault megane, 1 holiday a year and 1 night out a month, but they were happy. Now his world is in turmoil still has 4 mouths to feed given 3000euro payoff company was broke, he put it straight of the mortgage, social welfare gives him 340 a week to cover everything, the guy was in tears on thursday at my table looking for a loan of a 100 euro to get shopping in tesco's. My point is Dunphy is right about Joe Public and till you experience it you know absolutly nothing about it my friend.

I never thought much of Eamon Dunphy up to now but he's the only person i've seen thats been real about whats going on in this country, and till your the one on the dole que wondering where the kids lunches, yes lunches for school the next day are coming from, i don't feel you can have a go at somebody for standing up for them, you never know you might see my brother down the dole office next week and you might know how it feels.

Jail them all every one of them.

Couldn't agree more. I had the same opinion of Dunphy but he's caught the public mood like no one else has.

P. Breathnach

pokerface_me wrote: »

Well since you have the Answer's Mr Breathnach can you help me out. My brother was laid off last month after 13 years hard work to the same building company, married with 3 children, nice house in Tallaght. He took home 750 a week and with household bills a mortgage and 4 mouths to feed it was enough. He has no debts other than the mortgage, she drives 99 fiesta, he drives 96 renault megane, 1 holiday a year and 1 night out a month, but they were happy. Now his world is in turmoil still has 4 mouths to feed given 3000euro payoff company was broke, he put it straight of the mortgage, social welfare gives him 340 a week to cover everything, the guy was in tears on thursday at my table looking for a loan of a 100 euro to get shopping in tesco's. My point is Dunphy is right about Joe Public and till you experience it you know absolutly nothing about it my friend.

I never thought much of Eamon Dunphy up to now but he's the only person i've seen thats been real about whats going on in this country, and till your the one on the dole que wondering where the kids lunches, yes lunches for school the next day are coming from, i don't feel you can have a go at somebody for standing up for them, you never know you might see my brother down the dole office next week and you might know how it feels.

Jail them all every one of them.

Why are you taking this up with me? I didn't cause it.

I am sorry about your brother and all those in trouble. Dunphy's emotive outbursts are unlikely to improve their situation.

pokerface_me

P. Breathnach wrote: »

But I don't think Waters has a clue about what to do; nor has Dunphy; nor has Harris (whose only message seemed to be "Trust Brian Cowen").

I turned it off.

Sorry i thought when i read this post earlier i thought you had the answer, nobody had a clue according to you what they were on about. And as for my brother yes it is terrible but there are 10's of thousands of stories the exact same, its called the real world that some people don't see, and Eamon Dunphy was trying to get this point across and every word he said was the truth, just because you don't see it, doesn't mean its not happening.

juuge

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Dunphy's emotive outbursts are unlikely to improve their situation.

The point is that he has expressed in very strong and emotional terms the feelings of a great majority of Irish citizens and he must be commended for that. Cowen presided over the economy for years as minister of finance and look what happened. Now he's part of the solution, I think not. His look and demeanour is one of a man out of his depth he does not instil confidence and really should be ousted immediately. F**k the likes of Eoin Harris, he is blindly supporting Fianna Fail irrespective of what they do and frankly that's not good enough. How the hell did he become a Senator?

deadhead13

juuge wrote: »

How the hell did he become a Senator?

By blindy supporting bertie irrespective of he did.

RiverWilde

I liked Dunphys stance on the Late Late, he said everything that the rest of the establishment don't like to mention. Namely that the incompetance and greed of the banks/business sector/govt. etc has now come home to roost. As usual it the flac won't hit those who caused the mess. It'll hit those in society who a) never caused the mess b) were never exposed to the 'celtic tiger' in the first place and c) are now expected to pay for the clean up.

Harris' attitude that those responsible shouldn't be chased down and made to accept their culpability for this mess is deplorable.

I suppose in his mind they should be left alone so that they can line their pockets and eat steak dinners while the rest of us struggle to buy chicken burgers and hope to god there's enough money to pay the bills at the end of the week/month etc.

Riv

juuge

deadhead13 wrote: »

By blindly supporting bertie irrespective of he did.

That's exactly right! We really are a banana republic and the laughing stock of the world. Thanks bertie and your FF pals, enjoy your outrageous pension we're all paying for it.:D

Burtchaell

This country has been a ticking time bomb ever since Bertie stepped down from power... Its the dogs of bankers, politicians, developers and buddy appointed senators that banjaxed this country not to mention the leader!

Always remember: "If you lie with dogs you wake up with fleas"

Tom

P. Breathnach

Look folks, I'm not unfeeling and I don't think I'm stupid. Where people have done wrong, I believe they should be dealt with as wrongdoers. But the problems we now have are not entirely due to a handful of people being dishonest or incompetent; they are also partly due to ordinary people making honest mistakes (some not-so-ordinary people making honest mistakes, too).

If we identify and punish wrongdoers, people might feel some satisfaction. But that won't fix our problems.

I stopped watching the three sages on The Late Late Show because they didn't get anywhere near discussing what needs to be done. I did hear something (I think from John Waters, but I'm not sure) about giving some sort of credit or gift to people who are in debt; it was nowhere near being a thought-through idea.

AlekSmart

If we identify and punish wrongdoers, people might feel some satisfaction. But that won't fix our problems.

This particular line is one which is beginning to emerge with some regularity of late.
I suppose it does fit in with the old notion of Ireland as a caring,sharing and deeply religious society where forgiveness always trumped retribution.

Its worth remembering that in a society which has taken the vast bulk of its higher Civil Servants and Judiciary from a handful of "good" (usually run by Jesuits) schools this ethos of forgiveness is unsurprising.

My belief is that some serious attempts at,not alone,seeking justice,but also very public retribution is now a pre-requisite to securing the Countrys future.

Let us be clear,this desire of mine is NOT based upon "feeling some satisfaction" but is based upon the hard reality that if Ireland is to once again attain any credibility as a stand-alone functioning democracy then it will have to satisfy those real,tangible and powerful political and financial interests that it CAN protect the integrity of its own basic democratic systems.

The current "ah sure,what good would that do" campaign in relation to strident investigation of these top-layer financial despots must be nipped in the bud NOW.

The really serious Financial High Rollers who can be proven to have manipulated or directed their financial positions to achieve personal aggrandisment should be punished to the fullest possible extent.

However,as of today,all we have are some VERY specific and punitive measures being swiftly enacted on the ordinary street-level working person,whether public or private sector and the funds thereby raised going to prop up decidedly private looking banking operations.......Whether Brian Cowen and his troupe realize it or not this is the stuff of which revolutions are made ! :eek:

CtrlSource

Burtchaell wrote: »

You have to admire the way in which Eamonn Dunphy handled Eoghan Harris on the late late show. Must say Eoghan Harris really is the most accomplished political prostitute in the history of the Irish state. He started as a communist, then freewheeled in the workers party, did standup comedian for the blueshirts and finished up appointed by Bertie to the Senate.

I rest my case!

... not to mention his stint 'advising' the UUP! What an arse

P. Breathnach

AlekSmart wrote: »

This particular line is one which is beginning to emerge with some regularity of late...

If your sense of justice is in line with the way you selectively quoted from my post and misrepresented my message, I don't want any of it.

juuge

P. Breathnach wrote: »

If we identify and punish wrongdoers, people might feel some satisfaction. But that won't fix our problems.

You're right it will not!, but it still needs to be done to show that there is some justice left in our society.

mirror mirror

MrMiyagi wrote: »

The media are building up the negativity and yet dunphy only takes a 10% pay cut on €300k

its a lot more than some other overpaid presenters are doing

Darragh29

pokerface_me wrote: »

Well since you have the Answer's Mr Breathnach can you help me out. My brother was laid off last month after 13 years hard work to the same building company, married with 3 children, nice house in Tallaght. He took home 750 a week and with household bills a mortgage and 4 mouths to feed it was enough. He has no debts other than the mortgage, she drives 99 fiesta, he drives 96 renault megane, 1 holiday a year and 1 night out a month, but they were happy. Now his world is in turmoil still has 4 mouths to feed given 3000euro payoff company was broke, he put it straight of the mortgage, social welfare gives him 340 a week to cover everything, the guy was in tears on thursday at my table looking for a loan of a 100 euro to get shopping in tesco's. My point is Dunphy is right about Joe Public and till you experience it you know absolutly nothing about it my friend.

I never thought much of Eamon Dunphy up to now but he's the only person i've seen thats been real about whats going on in this country, and till your the one on the dole que wondering where the kids lunches, yes lunches for school the next day are coming from, i don't feel you can have a go at somebody for standing up for them, you never know you might see my brother down the dole office next week and you might know how it feels.

Jail them all every one of them.

+1, Dunphy hit the nail on the head. There is this myth out there that that prostitute Harris was trying to pedal the other night, "sure we were all at it, we all had a piece of the Celtic Tiger, we were all overdoing it". My boll*x we were all at it, most of us were just getting by...

mirror mirror

Darragh29 wrote: »

+1, Dunphy hit the nail on the head. There is this myth out there that that prostitute Harris was trying to pedal the other night, "sure we were all at it, we all had a piece of the Celtic Tiger, we were all overdoing it". My boll*x we were all at it, most of us were just getting by...

WELL SAID[ WRITTEN]:mad::mad:

The Raven.

Burtchaell wrote: »

Must say Eoghan Harris really is the most accomplished political prostitute in the history of the Irish state.

Well said!

Dunphy’s melodrama may have been somewhat forced, but he was definitely on the right track.

P. Breathnach wrote: »

If we identify and punish wrongdoers, people might feel some satisfaction. But that won't fix our problems.

AlekSmart wrote: »

The current "ah sure,what good would that do" campaign in relation to strident investigation of these top-layer financial despots must be nipped in the bud NOW.

The really serious Financial High Rollers who can be proven to have manipulated or directed their financial positions to achieve personal aggrandisment should be punished to the fullest possible extent.

Punishing wrongdoers, in accordance with the law, should not be for the sake of providing ‘satisfaction’ for society, but rather to protect society from these wrongdoers and ensuring that they do not repeat the offence.

I agree with AlekSmart. These ‘’top-layer financial despots’ should undergo the full measure of the law. They are at the core of a problem that is so serious that they need to be flushed out and permanently removed from their posts, so that it never happens again. This would send a clear message to like-minded parasites in the future. It would also serve to recoup some semblance of credibility.

Of course it won’t solve the current financial crisis, but this ‘do-gooder’ attitude of forgiveness and brushing it under the carpet is gravely misplaced in this instance.

AlekSmart

If your sense of justice is in line with the way you selectively quoted from my post and misrepresented my message, I don't want any of it.

P Breathnach,I don`t see how quoting your post misrepresents you in any way,if you believe it does then I assure you that is unintentional.

Accepting MY sense of justice should not be necessary for you at all,but accepting that the Concept of justice can and should be visited upon those FEW who have deliberately used their high flying financial positions to set up self aggrandising mechanisms which have now collapsed leaving EVERYBODY else to foot THEIR bill.

I believe that Èire does not have an alternative but to pursue this èlite and seek recompense or retribuition.
Not to do so will send a very clear message to the rest of the world that we actively condone and protect this type of behaviour.

We as a country cannot afford to pour whats left of our resouces into a tainted pool.

OhNoYouDidn't

deadhead13 wrote: »

Dunphy the millionaire crying over the plight of the common man - f**k off yah spoofer.

not any more, he lost his arse on Anglo.....

I really do not understand how Harris still gets wheeled out as being some sort of expert. The guy has not called one major event right in the last 30 years. This is the man who opposed the GFA on the basis it would start a civil war.