Is it true the government has approved the Principal Officers pay increase?

Palimpsest

Or is this a wild rumour. The POs in the civil service were to receive an increase under benchmarking but if that has been signed off this week then there should be a revolution.

ixoy

I heard the same rumour - it's being pushed out by the unions. I haven't heard it verified or refuted but I can understand why it'd annoy the hell out of people.

BroomBurner

The government tabled the motion to award TDs and PO's a 1.1% pay increase to be given prior to the implementation of the pension levy. They tabled this motion on the same day the pension levy was tabled.

As far as I know, there was no decision taken on it yet, think the Dáil have to vote on it before it goes through.

It was this point that has so galled the unions in the public sector, btw.

otwb

Have been on a number of threads defending the levy. I take it all back if we are just playing silly buggers again and taking away with one hand while finding some way around it with the other.

Having said that, will wait until I see something definitive before I go off on one...

Time Magazine

Moved to Work & Jobs.

Godge

haven't seen a circular on the Dept. of finance website. Have the other grades - local authority, health sector - got it as well?

seems strange as they postponed the Review Body increases and withdrew the bonus scheme for Assistant Secretaries.

aphex™

Under benchmarking they are due 13%

But, because they have public service pensions they only get 1%

THEN, on top of that, they will have a pension levy.

Revolution, my hole.

axel rose

I posted a thread on this in after hours. Apparantly they are all set to give themselves a 1.1% increase. Cant do links but I titled it 'shhhh TDs award themselves pay rise'

They really are a shower of gits!

aphex™

axel rose wrote: »

I posted a thread on this in after hours. Apparantly they are all set to give themselves a 1.1% increase. Cant do links but I titled it 'shhhh TDs award themselves pay rise'

They really are a shower of gits!

They will end up with a pay cut, as shown in the post above yours which you ignored.

What % cut are you taking?

axel rose

Hello? Then why are principal officers awarding themselves a 1.1% payrise. They will pay the levy but will have more income than other public servants to pay it with! Their income is over €100,000! They are hardly at a level where they are struggling to heat the house now are they?

Aphex, do you really think that it is right that Cowen and his ilk can seriously give speaches to the nation about wage reduction on the same day he recieves an increase!

Yes my wages are cut- Ill be paying 7.2%. (and for the record I AM struggling to heat the house). Your post confuses me Aphex, I get the impression that you agree with the increase for TDs

aphex™

Eh? POs are already paying for the benchmark by forgoing 12% of the increase. They paid for it already.

axel rose

Aphex are you Brian Cowen?

At a time of recession, ordinary working class public servants have had a large tax (which will only get bigger) foisted on them. What do the upper civil servants do? Well naturally they give themselves a pay rise! :rolleyes:

Do you actually think this is good practice? How can they expect the rest of the country to accept the situation when they pull **** like this? If the government has money to increase top level wages then they have money to give to the services that need it........hospitals........schools.......infrastructure.

It is just a reflection of how basly our country is run.

aphex™

Are you the editor of 'The Sun'? You're dropping all the right key words there for a front page sensationalist headline. Working class, schools,TDs etc. My heart for one isn't bleading..

The reality of the situation is they loose a lot of money at the end of the day. They also loose out because they have public service pensions twice. If you want to ignore that and print the headline anyway, go right ahead. Not everybody is fooled, though.


What have TDs got to do with it? Or Brian Cowan for that matter? What about the bank wage increases? You seem confused.

axel rose

No Aphex, just a ps worker who is getting a tad sensitive about the amount of ps bitching going on. Some posters here honestly believe that we ALL dont do a tap, are paid massive monies and are incapable of making a decision without speaking to the union. If i had the perks I was told I had, I would have retired in luxury by now!

Fine Aphex, you may believe that the upper civil servants (which include TDs) deserve a pay rise. You may even think it was good politics. I dont.

As for the bank wage increases.......different thread and different topic.

Btw What dept are you minister of?

aphex™

axel rose wrote: »

Some posters here honestly believe that we ALL dont do a tap,

Nobody in this thread said that.

axel rose wrote: »

Fine Aphex, you may believe that the upper civil servants (which include TDs) deserve a pay rise. You may even think it was good politics. I dont.

I am saying they would lose thousands of euro with the levy. While technically they get 1% increase, they lose much more than that when you take into account the levy. That's even after their increases were lowered because they have a public service pension.

The TDs pay is nothing to do with PO pay.

axel rose

Aphex, all public servants stand to lose thousands. Why should the highest earners have the cushion of an increase?


Aphex TDs are considered to be principal officers and are getting the 1.1% increase.

InReality

Agreed with the above. If the govt really do give the PO's and TD's a national agreement/benchmarking type pay rise, that is really really taking the p***.
Arn't all the pay agreements due next septish being cancelled for everyone else ?

davybunyip

was on march today and was speaking to clerical worker who told me the paper work had been done and the pay increases were going ahead!!!

davybunyip

i got hit for a 1% levy as did everyone else, then got my 6% benchmarking increase stopped for extra work im already doing and now i have to take an extra 7.5% pay cut on a pension i will not be able to claim fully for; all the while TD's and top level civil servants pay a pittance in comparison. And now i hear they are to get an extra 1.1% pay increase. Cowen is already paid more than obama and then he gets 70,000 euro expenses that he doesn't have to declare for.

Axel said something about them paying twice because they have two pensions! Isn't it well for them that they have two or more pensions, when myself and thousands of others in the public and civil service will be fortunate to get one full one!

It makes my blood boil when i see them cutting 7million in funding for special needs classes and 10 million for the cervical cancer vaccine for teenage girls; they say they can't afford to implement these luxuries in times of recession yet they still give the horse and greyhound association 69 million this year for prize money. Does that seem fair?