Why won't a CD I burn play in my cars CD player?

studiorat

Ok, I'm using Toast, TDK CD's and a Plextor CD burner.
CD's I burn won't play in my car, why is that? Is it the CD's? Burner? Application?

Anyone?

old gregg

are you closing the CD? CD-Rs that have not been closed will likely only play on a pooter.

Will CDs burned by other people play in your car? I'm assuming your car CD player is recent but old CD players sometimes have trouble dealing with CD-Rs

mike65

Is it an Audio/wav Cd or mp3s?

Many older CD players won't recognise mp3 data only PCM wav files

Edit, oops I thought this was a hapless query in the Motors forum!

studiorat

No they are audio CD's and Toast closes the writing session. It writes a lead in and lead out etc.

The CD player is only a year or two old, Blaupunkt... It should play Mp3's anyway, it has USB and all the other stuff on such a player. But the CD's are PCM format anyway no doubt about it...

The problem here is if I burn a master and it's duplicated will the duplication carry the same issues. It would be far better than getting the CD replicated but cost becomes an issue then.

Jarrath

Does the cd work in an ordinary cd player?

Was it burnt onto Cd-R or CD-RW?

studiorat

Jarrath wrote: »

Does the cd work in an ordinary cd player?

Was it burnt onto Cd-R or CD-RW?

CD-R, Plays on some not on others.

Does anybody know if Toast writes to the Red Book standard?

PaulBrewer

I've had this all the time - the only thing that seems common is that it's on older players.

vibe666

studiorat wrote: »

Does anybody know if Toast writes to the Red Book standard?

according to Roxio, yes it does.

i used to have a car stereo that was very fussy about what media i used to burn CD's so that might well be your problem.

just try a few different brands and see what works.

it may be worth trying to find a forum specfiic to your make of stereo, there are likely others with the same problems who can advise you on the best solution.

iquinn

A true red book cdr should play on any cd player, old or not.
It's generally only dedicated programs that actually burn a real red book standard cd. It's mostly down to the TOC (table of contents) code and how that's written. Sometimes the program will write the audio as red book standard, but the TOC is not. Generally that's what happens if it won't play in your cd player.

studiorat

iquinn wrote: »

A true red book cdr should play on any cd player, old or not.
It's generally only dedicated programs that actually burn a real red book standard cd. It's mostly down to the TOC (table of contents) code and how that's written. Sometimes the program will write the audio as red book standard, but the TOC is not. Generally that's what happens if it won't play in your cd player.

I put the CD in question into an old hi-fi it saw the tracks but didnt play the audio.

I guess I'll have to start using different burning software. I have peak and waveburner I'll see how that goes...

sukikettle

two reasons....your laser unit may not be able to play rw rplus or rminus if it can play those did you burn it as an mp3.burn it as an AAC and it will work

iquinn

sukikettle wrote: »

two reasons....your laser unit may not be able to play rw rplus or rminus if it can play those did you burn it as an mp3.burn it as an AAC and it will work

what's cdr +/-?

iquinn

studiorat wrote: »

I have peak and waveburner I'll see how that goes...

Peak might work, haven't used it, but Peak pro has isrc encoding, so I would expect it has proper red book standard.

vibe666

iquinn wrote: »

what's cdr +/-?

it doesn't exist. the previous poster is confusing recordable CD's with recordable DVD's. there was no format war for recordable CD's and there is no '+' in recordable CD's only CD-R or CD-RW for re-writables.

iquinn

vibe666 wrote: »

it doesn't exist. the previous poster is confusing recordable CD's with recordable DVD's. there was no format war for recordable CD's and there is no '+' in recordable CD's only CD-R or CD-RW for re-writables.

I was going for subtlety.

PaulBrewer

iquinn wrote: »

A true red book cdr should play on any cd player, old or not.
It's generally only dedicated programs that actually burn a real red book standard cd. It's mostly down to the TOC (table of contents) code and how that's written. Sometimes the program will write the audio as red book standard, but the TOC is not. Generally that's what happens if it won't play in your cd player.

And why wouldn't it write TOC Red Book iquinn?

iquinn

Not sure, something to do with the original standard and how the TOC is written into the lead out area when burning.
It's a legacy thing from when they were burnt in real time.

I think some programs don't put the TOC in the leadout area, that's the difference....as far as I know. It was a Sonic Solutions workstation standard.

I've used different programs that are supposed to be able to burn red book and they don't play in certain players, but if I burn the exact same tracks on the same type of cdr in Sequoia, there's no playback problems.
So it's definitely a software problem, as far as I've come across anyway.

iquinn

iquinn wrote: »

Not sure, something to do with the original standard and how the TOC is written into the lead out area when burning.
It's a legacy thing from when they were burnt in real time.

I think some programs don't put the TOC in the leadout area, that's the difference....as far as I know. It was a Sonic Solutions workstation standard.

I've used different programs that are supposed to be able to burn red book and they don't play in certain players, but if I burn the exact same tracks on the same type of cdr in Sequoia, there's no playback problems.
So it's definitely a software problem, as far as I've come across anyway.

well not exactly iquinn, on the old Sonic workstations the TOC was written into the lead-out area, but it's more common now to have it written into the lead-in area. So that's not the issue. You're sort of on the right track though.

Red Book discs have to be burnt in Disc at Once (DAO) mode, basically the TOC, lead-in, audio, lead-out are burnt to the disc continuously as one big chunk.
But audio cd's can also be burnt in Track at Once mode, in this mode the laser starts and stops as it writes each chunk of data, the TOC, lead-in, etc etc...
...So you're app may be conforming to the redbook standard in every way, but burning the data in the wrong mode.

jiltloop

Don't know if this is of any help but I've had this problem before and realised that the cd would work on more cd players if I burned it at the slowest speed but maybe you're already doing that.