[US/IRL] 5X04 - "The Little Prince" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

The Gnome

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Episode Title: "The Little Prince"
Airdate: Feb 4th 2009

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Spoiler:

Kate discovers that someone knows the secret of Aaron's true parental lineage. Meanwhile, the dramatic shifts through time are placing the lives of the remaining island survivors in extreme peril.

Next New Episode: 5X05 - Feb 11th - 2009

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ABC (US) - Feb 4th 2009
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The Gnome

7

So

Jin-Soo Kwan

is alive! Interesting... Have to say I'm loving the time shifts especially the latest one.

I wonder who owned the canoes. The camp seemed long abandoned so does this mean the time shifts move into the future aswell?

Saw the Kate/Aaron thing coming. It was obvious who it was going to be especially after the lenghts he went to to get the rest of the Oceanic 6 together.

anotherlostie

6

It was an episode of two halves in my book.

On island, the time shifts continued to be a great romp, although why Charlotte wasn't affected by tonight's ones wasn't explained. With all the nosebleeds going round, nobody is safe! Jin's reappearance was brilliant - I had guessed this was Rousseau's appearance, so wasn't expecting him to turn up. And God bless him, he's just getting the hang of English when a bunch of Frenchies turn up, including a woman pregnant with a daughter who was in her late teens a week ago! Interesting that the shifts have included the arrival of the French and Boone's death/ Aaron's birth; are they shifting to significant events in the island's history or is it just for plot convenience? The appearance of the canoes, and bottled water from another airline was another mystery we may see more of later.

Off island was a bit meh, excepting Sayid's fight and Sun's gun. I'm so taken with Ben's deviousness that I guessed he was responsible for the Aaron custody story, although Mrs. Littleton's appearance did throw a curveball. Some day soon he is going to make a Dr. Evil face! And I'd not be surprised if he was responsible for the attack on Sayid to get Sayid and Kate onside. As they all need to go back to island, I don't know what he is going to do to persuade Sun to travel, and leave her kid behind. Some of the early scenes, such as Kate and Jack on the Searcher, and Kate visiting Sun were a waste of valuable airtime.

abelard

6

Didn't see Jin's reappearance coming (just yet anyway) at all tbh, was pretty well done. We can probably assume he'll "shift" away before too long though, so we might not see yoo much of the French crew?

Interesting point above about how the flashes seem to be accuring around significant events, hard to know if it's just to add more plot relevance though alright. I mentioned it in the last ep thread, but I'm thinking more and more that they're going to attempt to "save" one of the previously deceased characters at some stage.

Off-island happening's weren't particularly exciting, but I'm happy once they're all getting together to advance the plot along. Next ep will, I'm guessing, get Sun into the fold and Hurley should reappear, so it won't be too long before they get around to trying to get back to the island.

Pity they didn't bring in the Desmond/Penny story, even for a scene or two.

Dan's comment to Miles was kinda interesting, about whether he'd been to the island before; Dan must know a fair bit more than he's letting on?

There was a new Giacchino composition there too when Sawyer says "we're going to the Orchid" which has never been used before, thought it sounded pretty good :cool:

Anyway, decent episode on the whole, not particularly exciting but keeps things going pretty well.

alexkintner

Is it possible that miles is the son of Dr. Pierre Chang?

Sad Professor

6

Some good stuff happening on the island. But the O6 scenes are awfully bland. Sayid-as-Jason-Bourne isn't convincing, and enough of the Sun-revenge crap already. They need to get back to the island, pronto! I think this O6 off-island storyline was a mistake. They should have skipped over the whole thing (à la BSG) and used flashbacks to fill in how they got back.

Great to see Ben is still playing mind games with everyone though:

KATE: It's him. He's the one who's trying to take Aaron.
JACK: No. No. You--you don't understand.
BEN: No, Jack. She's right. It was me.... Sorry.

lol.

pkumohideeile

6

Who is Dr. Pierre Chang?

Sawyer had one of the funniest lines, "thank you lord! , I take that back".

murfie

7

Good one. Danial knows a hell of alot more than he is letting on, we knew that already but what is his ultimate aim? They must stop the jumping soon and it will be 3 years in the future and the 6 with Ben will arrive and to the islanders it was just a few days but to the 6 its 3 years!! Wait and see!

The clip from the 1st episode where Danial was in the orchid when they were building it must happen in the next couple of episodes when they return to it.
Sawyer is annoying me now with his lonely heart antics over Kate! Get over it!!

thecommander

I wonder will the whispers they hear in the forest match up with location/time of their jumps. Hearing an echo of themselves.

pkumohideeile

6

Does anyone else find Ben is getting boring? For me he's not as sinister as he once was. Sure, he does do the odd few sinister things but he's not scary or dangerous like in the 3rd and 4th seasons. I don't find Suns attempt to kill him that important, more power to her, kill him with the box of poison chocolates, or gun if you're pressed for time.

Agamemnon

8

thecommander wrote: »

I wonder will the whispers they hear in the forest match up with location/time of their jumps. Hearing an echo of themselves.

I think you're on to something here, that's probably exactly what it is.

Great to see Jin back, I knew he'd survive somehow.

Should be interesting to finally see the backstory of Danielle and the French survivors. I was wondering if the "sickness" she used to talk about is what's currently happening to Ginger or if it's something else. Wonder why Mira Furlan didn't come back to play Danielle? Of course they would have needed someone younger looking and clean-shaven, but the Lost make-up artists have worked miracles before.

Another thing: Jin seemed to recognise Danielle's name at the end. Have they ever met?

Sad Professor

6

pkumohideeile wrote:

Does anyone else find Ben is getting boring? For me he's not as sinister as he once was. Sure, he does do the odd few sinister things but he's not scary or dangerous like in the 3rd and 4th seasons.

Yeah, Ben's machinations are really only good for comedy at this stage. Any ambiguity about him should have been resolved at the end of season 3. Emerson is still great but the writers aren't doing him any favours.

Agamemnon wrote:

Wonder why Mira Furlan didn't come back to play Danielle? Of course they would have needed someone younger looking and clean-shaven, but the Lost make-up artists have worked miracles before.

Furlan is the reason Rousseau got killed last season. She didn't want to do the show anymore.

alexkintner

pkumohideeile wrote: »

Who is Dr. Pierre Chang?

The presenter of the Dharma Initiative videos. He was shown nursing a baby just prior to bumping into Daniel Faraday

Niall0

9

alexkintner wrote: »

The presenter of the Dharma Initiative videos. He was shown nursing a baby just prior to bumping into Daniel Faraday

ya i guess the baby is miles, nice surprise to see jin back, especially as it wasnt common knowledge like when michael came back last season.
I was hoping they would show what happened to roussou with the time travel, hopefully we find out more about her next episode.
Good episode, gave out some nice chunks of information. I wonder if someone has translated what the french people were saying?

Unearthly

abelard wrote: »

. I mentioned it in the last ep thread, but I'm thinking more and more that they're going to attempt to "save" one of the previously deceased characters at some stage.

thecommander wrote: »

I wonder will the whispers they hear in the forest match up with location/time of their jumps. Hearing an echo of themselves.

Just to combine these theories. Remember back in series 2 just before Shannons death? They heard whispers if I remember correctly, maybe that was an attempt from the time travelling lot to prevent that death, and weren't able to(ironically causing it indirectly)

thecommander

Unearthly wrote: »

Just to combine these theories. Remember back in series 2 just before Shannons death? They heard whispers if I remember correctly, maybe that was an attempt from the time travelling lot to prevent that death, and weren't able to(ironically causing it indirectly)

Whispers from an unknown source frequently appear when characters are in peril, the Others are near, or other moments of tension.

Niall0

9

thecommander wrote: »

Whispers from an unknown source frequently appear when characters are in peril, the Others are near, or other moments of tension.

Theres transcripts of alot of the whispers here http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Whisper_transcripts looks more likely that its the others.

Psychedelic

8

great episode. i like the way we are getting to see shared amounts of on-island and off-island time, instead of focusing on just one.

i hope we get to see a decent bit of rousseau's story next week, what exactly happened to all her team. i also hope that now that everyone (looks like they'll all be rounded up next week) is ready, they try get back to the island and the writers don't drag out the 'getting back to the island' arc for the whole season.

thecommander

What does the title refer to?

Psychedelic

8

thecommander wrote: »

What does the title refer to?

Aaron i'd say, though i'm not sure why he'd be referred to as a prince.

thecommander

Psychedelic wrote: »

Aaron i'd say, though i'm not sure why he'd be referred to as a prince.

I thought that before the episode was aired, that there would be some huge revelation about him.

BTW, where is Claire?

Psychedelic

8

thecommander wrote: »

I thought that before the episode was aired, that there would be some huge revelation about him.

yeah same here, was surprised there wasn't anything revealed about him. i just googled "the little prince" and it's the name of a children's book by a french author....the reference might refer to the frenchies we see at the end of the episode.

thecommander wrote: »

BTW, where is Claire?

god know where the hell she is, off frolicking with jacob somewhere.

thecommander

Psychedelic wrote: »

yeah same here, was surprised there wasn't anything revealed about him. i just googled "the little prince" and it's the name of a children's book by a french author....the reference might refer to the frenchies we see at the end of the episode.


god know where the hell she is, off frolicking with jacob somewhere.

Forgot about her off with Jacob.

Is "The Little Prince" the name of Danielles boat?

Psychedelic

8

thecommander wrote: »

Forgot about her off with Jacob.

Is "The Little Prince" the name of Danielles boat?

well it was actually christian she was last seen with, though in jacob's cabin. i hope we get some kind of answer to what happened there this season.

little prince could be the name of her boat alright, but for some reason i don't think so. i still think it's reffering to aaron but i'm surprised there was no direct reference to him being a prince or anything like that, like the way the titles are usually shown in the episode e.g. last week 'jughead' turned out to be the name of the bomb.

thecommander

Psychedelic wrote: »

little prince could be the name of her boat alright, but for some reason i don't think so.

Bit of info from Lostpedia
Le Petit Prince: The episode's title refers to the novel of the same name by Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, a French writer and aviator. Though outwardly a children's book, it has varied themes on life, perception and human nature. Exupery was French, like Rousseau's science expedition, and met with disaster while travelling and disappeared under mysterious circumstances. Additionally, "Besixdouze" ("B612"), the apparent name of the expedition's lost boat (as per the wreckage on the beach), is a reference to the asteroid on which The Little Prince lives in the book.

Psychedelic

8

was just about to post about that too, here:

In 5x04, "The Little Prince", Locke and company comes across some wreckage on the beach after flashing away from their high seas skiff chase. Locke kicks over a can which reads BESIXDOUZE. BE-SIX-DOUZE, or B612 (french) is the name of an asteroid. According to Wiki, the asteroid is named as a reference to... wait for it... "The Little Prince", who lived on an asteroid named B612.

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2009/02/5x04-besixdouze-and-the-little.php

Maybe an asteroid hit the island in the past? or will in the future?

Psychedelic

8

Another thing from this episode: Ben's van, Canton-Rainier = Reincarnation.

Derek Coleman

8

That last post is brilliant.

Just to let you know, On the ad for next weeks Lost Ben tells Sun that Jin is still alive so thats whats gonna get her back to the island.

Future spoiler here so be careful. Its not gonna ruin anything it actually makes it more exciting.

I've seen a Lost special on Sky where they are filming scenes for future episodes and you see Kate, Jack, and Hurley in Dharma suits in the camp with the houses and stuff. It looks like they get back to the Island in the time period of the Dharma days!! Cool

I think the time shifts are ultimately gonna explain everything weird we have seen. My own personal theory is that the main characters are responsible for the numbers in their lives through something they do in the past.:eek: 4 8 15 16 23 42...... remember them.

mewso

Awful handy that you can bring a boat you found in one time to another time.

Derek Coleman

8

musician wrote: »

Awful handy that you can bring a boat you found in one time to another time.

That was exactly what I was thinking..... That was a bit silly. I thought they'd fall into the water when they shifted. Whats the bets that the people firing at them was themselves in a future time.!!! Heard it here first.

qz

6

Anyone else pick up on the scene where Jack speaks to Kate in her car prior to discovering who they thought was searching for Aaron?

"I can fix this Kate, I can fix it". Nice throwback to the early seasons and the Jack of old who thought he could fix everything.

It was great seeing some footage from S1 also when Claire gave birth to Aaron, that and the references to Shannon and Boone (easy to forget!).

mewso

Derek Coleman wrote: »

That was exactly what I was thinking..... That was a bit silly. I thought they'd fall into the water when they shifted. Whats the bets that the people firing at them was themselves in a future time.!!! Heard it here first.

Well perhaps when they left that time the boat remained floating around on the water and was still there when they re-appeared. Ahem.

Niall0

9

musician wrote: »

Awful handy that you can bring a boat you found in one time to another time.

They bring clothes items etc Why not a boat? :pac:
i guess they go with whatever they are touching at the time or something

Sad Professor

6

I don't have a problem with the outrigger canoe in this episode travelling with them. As said above, if they still have their clothes, compasses, etc, why not a boat that they are sitting it?

However, Daniel's Zodiac raft from the freighter was still travelling with them even after they abandoned it on the beach — I find this far more problematic. Although it was gone when they got to the beach in this episode which is why they had to use the outrigger.

pkumohideeile

6

Niall0 wrote: »

They bring clothes items etc Why not a boat? :pac:
i guess they go with whatever they are touching at the time or something

But wouldn't it be hilarious if it was terminator rules? Everytime they jumped in time they were naked?

AlmightyCushion

pkumohideeile wrote: »

But wouldn't it be hilarious if it was terminator rules? Everytime they jumped in time they were naked?

It would be a hell of a lot better if Kate never made it off the island though.

cooker3

Good episode. I am really stoked about seeing Rousseaus back story. I have been waiting 5 seasons for this. Very nice way of explaining it. Of course you know there will be no purple sky for a whole now...

I don't mind the O6 stuff although I agree about Ben. He just doesn't have the same menace about him like he did on the island. Surely he was lying about never returning to the island. He has to return?
Also, the lawyer guy. Did Ben purposefully send him to see her just to spook Jack and Kate out?

Am I the only who who thinks Sun is actually going after Jack. Note how he was in every picture she had with Ben and the look she gave Kate after asking about Jack in episode 2 was pretty ominous.

Sad Professor

6

cooker3 wrote: »

Am I the only who who thinks Sun is actually going after Jack. Note how he was in every picture she had with Ben and the look she gave Kate after asking about Jack in episode 2 was pretty ominous.

No, I think she's after Ben and Widmore. The writers are just playing the mystery for all it's worth. Sun might be pissed at Jack for what happened on the freighter but she isn't stupid enough to actually blame him for Jin's death. I mean Jack wasn't responsible for the bomb.

In last season's finale she said 2 people were responsible and her father was one of them. I think at this point she blamed Widmore since it was his bomb, and she didn't know about what happened at The Orchid. However, Locke/Bentham probably went to visit her as well, told her about Ben killing Keamy which is why she's after Ben now as well. She's just using Widmore to find Ben and will turn her sights back to him once Ben is out of the way.

Oh and the writers have confirmed the title is indeed a reference to Saint-Exupery's book.

Brianb8802

abelard wrote: »

I'm thinking more and more that they're going to attempt to "save" one of the previously
deceased characters at some stage.

Oh please let it be Shannon. I miss those legs. Lost has really been missing a character like hers
for the last few seasons

Mellor

5

Sad Professor wrote: »

However, Daniel's Zodiac raft from the freighter was still travelling with them even after they abandoned it on the beach — I find this far more problematic. Although it was gone when they got to the beach in this episode which is why they had to use the outrigger.

I'm not sure, ill have to watch Ep1 to re-check. But Daniel, Frogurt and all were in the raft during the first jump. Have we seen it since then?



As for the episode. It was ok. No real wow moments for me.
The moment see seen the fuel? can with french on it, I knew we were in Rousseau's time. There was no point dragging it out, with the mini baby reveal, then the introduction with a full name. Just have one of the lads shout it out on the life raft.

Wasn't expecting the body to be jins, however, I knew he was alive. The writers let it slip recently, I mentioned it somewhere on here. Was along the lines of "Sun thinks Jin is dead

J-blk

6

Yep, this one did feel slower paced than last week's and not much on the big reveals, other than Jin which I suspected was still alive but did not expect back just yet. The Rousseau introduction wasn't as good as the allusions to Widmore's past last week and yes, it was dragged out a bit too much. I'm hoping too that the return to the island of the O6 will not be a season long storyline but I think it's very likely that it could be...

Sherifu

8

The off island stuff is just getting boring now, time to get back to the island.

I knew it was Rousseau in the life raft pretty much straight away, the first thing I wanted explained was the sickness. Hopefully next week they'll get to that.

I think it's also a good shout about Miles. That would mean that ginger was a baby on the island too?

And I said last season I ddin't think Jin was dead at all. Was happy to see him floating(literally) through time.

Sad Professor

6

Mellor wrote: »

I'm not sure, ill have to watch Ep1 to re-check. But Daniel, Frogurt and all were in the raft during the first jump. Have we seen it since then?

Yeah, they found it at the start of 5x02 and Juliet said it must be along for the ride. They talked about it in this episode as well but it was gone when they got to the beach.

jor el

5

cooker3 wrote: »

Am I the only who who thinks Sun is actually going after Jack.

Nope, I've thought that since the end of last season. Jack stopped Kate from going back to get Jin, and I think Sun blames Jack for this. She told Widmore she was after Ben to placate him, and get his help, but my money is on Jack being the target. Hope she shoots him in the knees, that'll give him something to moan about.

The off-island stuff is mostly crap, they're dragging it out for the sake of it now. Though the on-island bits with the French was well dragged out too. Felt like colour-by-numbers stuff for people too stupid to figure out that the French wreckage would be Roussou and crew. Didn't see Jin coming though, didn't hear anything about him being alive still.

L31mr0d

7

Derek Coleman wrote: »

Whats the bets that the people firing at them was themselves in a future time.!!! Heard it here first.

You knacker, I was about to say that It did seem odd that the other guys where in the exact same type of canoe and had a rifle exactly like the one the losties had. Maybe they are trying to stop themselves from doing something later.

Also, whats the betting that the losties are the ones that destroy the rest of that statue that had only 4 toes. I think they are going to use this time travelling malarkey to explain every mystery so far on the island.

me87_ie

3

Translation of french chatter here:
http://nikkistafford.blogspot.com/2009/02/lost-504-french-translation.html

tvnutz

musician wrote: »

Awful handy that you can bring a boat you found in one time to another time.

I'd assume you bring with you whatever you are touching. They still have all the guns from the different times.

abelard

6

L31mr0d wrote: »

You knacker, I was about to say that It did seem odd that the other guys where in the exact same type of canoe and had a rifle exactly like the one the losties had. Maybe they are trying to stop themselves from doing something later.

Well, in fairness, there was a second outrigger beside the one they took. But yeah, could be right I guess.

CMpunked

6

tvnutz wrote: »

I'd assume you bring with you whatever you are touching. They still have all the guns from the different times.

That would be the case.
I think that was evident in the first ep when locke got shot and the bullet remained in his leg.
And then, of course the compass.

Sad Professor

6

That still doesn't explain the Zodiac raft. They were only touching it during the first flash. Yet it was still sitting on the beach in 5x02.

Mellor

5

Sad Professor wrote: »

That still doesn't explain the Zodiac raft. They were only touching it during the first flash. Yet it was still sitting on the beach in 5x02.

Didn't Sawyer and Juliet explain that though?

S: I figured it would of disappeared when we shifted
J: I guess what ever we had with us is along for the ride


So, all the inital objects, are jumping with them. As well as anything they pick up. Sawyers knife, the carbine etc.
The Zodiac not being there can be explained simply by somebody in any time they jumped to moving it. Which is more than likely.