Power meter survey

DrB

We’re looking for as many cyclists as possible to complete our online survey of views and opinions on power meters. Even if you don’t have a power meter we want you in the survey. It’s open to all cyclists, of any persuasion and any level, and everyone who completes the survey can enter a draw to win a pair of Detec carbon wheels. The survey runs until 1st March 2009. See www.brimbrothers.com/survey/

Gavin

Done. Good luck

kenmc

Ditto. an Irish cycling accessories company - possibly a first? certainly in this field anyway.

AstraMonti

Done

Chips Lovell

Done already.

Really looking forward to seeing the finished product having heard a bit about it on Orwell spins.

scottreynolds

Very cool -- an Irish power meter sounds very interesting.

blorg

Measuring the force applied to the pedal sounds like an interesting approach. I would love to get a power meter but they are so damn expensive!

CheGuedara

Done and done - great to see a new Irish venture like this

trek climber

Done

NeilMcEoigheann

done and the wheels are mine. they will go great on my commuter with mirrors panniers saddle bag, mtb handle bars and other such dangling accoutrements, the zipps need replacing,

CheGuedara

NeilMcEoigheann wrote: »

done and the wheels are mine. they will go great on my commuter with mirrors panniers saddle bag, mtb handle bars and other such dangling accoutrements, the zipps need replacing,

Oh God, NNNNNoooooooooo, not another one.....

I count that as a callous act of terrorism against cycling. I'll get Jack Bauer after you.

There's still time to take it back.

I don't want to have to get Jack but I'll do it, just see if I don't.

tunney

blorg wrote: »

Measuring the force applied to the pedal sounds like an interesting approach. I would love to get a power meter but they are so damn expensive!

Not a unique idea, was around a few years ago no? Could be the same company maybe.

kenmc

nah website says the company was started in 2008.

blorg

tunney wrote: »

Not a unique idea, was around a few years ago no? Could be the same company maybe.

They aren't the same company- the previous guys who tried it never made it to market.

tunney

blorg wrote: »

They aren't the same company- the previous guys who tried it never made it to market.

Assuming then that it was already patented by someone else? Have the bought the patent from them?

BaBiT

Done, not that the wheels tempted me or anything...I just like filling out surveys

blorg

I don't know, I'm just going on what they have on their website. A patent covers a specific implementation, not a general idea, so they may have a different way of doing it.

tunney

blorg wrote: »

I don't know, I'm just going on what they have on their website. A patent covers a specific implementation, not a general idea, so they may have a different way of doing it.

Missed that. Cheers

"Other issues listed are lack of wheel choice (Powertap), incompatibility with Shimano or Campagnolo cranks (Quarq), difficulty in setting up (Polar), and can’t be used indoors (iBike)."

No mention of SRM - my PM is perfect

Chips Lovell

tunney wrote: »

No mention of SRM - my PM is perfect

Can only use it on one bike. Can't use it with Campag cranks.

tunney

el tonto wrote: »

Can only use it on one bike. Can't use it with Campag cranks.

I switch mine between bikes in under two minutes with no issues. SRM DA PRO.

Campag shampag........

Chips Lovell

tunney wrote: »

I switch mine between bikes in under two minutes with no issues. SRM DA PRO.

You do have to take off the cranks though, don't you?

scottreynolds

So whats the ideal power meter from our perspective then?

I have never used one but was considering getting one for interest sake. So far the best I think for me would be the powertap as it has the ability to swap between bikes easily and also between shim and campag. I line the ANT+ and the ability to use witha Garmin 705 which if I bought one would be a must because even though I don't have a 705 the though of adding more than one computer to my bike disgusts me.

tunney

scottreynolds wrote: »

So whats the ideal power meter from our perspective then?

I have never used one but was considering getting one for interest sake. So far the best I think for me would be the powertap as it has the ability to swap between bikes easily and also between shim and campag.

Freewheel?

Multiple wheelsets?

blorg

I don't think Powertap is that easily swappable between Shimano and Campagnolo, e.g. you have to choose which freehub you want when you buy the thing. You can however get a conversion cassette, e.g. a cassette with Shimano spacing that fits on a Campagnolo freehub, or the other way around.

Raam

I'd love a power meter, but I just think they are too damn expensive for me right now. Ideally I want something that hooks in with my Garmin Edge 705 and which can easily be moved between two bikes (both Shimano).

I'm thinking about renting one, just to see what my numbers are.

tunney

Raam wrote: »

I'd love a power meter, but I just think they are too damn expensive for me right now. Ideally I want something that hooks in with my Garmin Edge 705 and which can easily be moved between two bikes (both Shimano).

I'm thinking about renting one, just to see what my numbers are.

Just get a lab test?

Raam

tunney wrote: »

Just get a lab test?

I was thinking about what I'm putting out on climbs. Would a lab test simulate that?

tunney

Raam wrote: »

I was thinking about what I'm putting out on climbs. Would a lab test simulate that?

Well it could tell you want you *can* put out on hills.

DrB

Just to clarify things, Brim Brothers is a brand new independent privately owned company with no connection to any previous or existing company. Our patents are our own original technology, not connected to (or even similar to) those of any other company.

We're just two engineers who've been mulling over power meter design for the last 3 or 4 years, came up with some unique ideas, and finally decided to do something about it.

Pinarello

tunney wrote: »

Just get a lab test?

You don't need to do a lab test to see what your numbers are.There is a test you can do on a home trainer....

Pinarello

I knew i find it somewhere http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=powerstern

addict

A canidian company has tried same idea for 2 years and have failed to make it to launch they even had website set up but in end called it a day, also a jap cycle computer company working on same idea but cant perfect it

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

I'd love a power meter, but I just think they are too damn expensive for me right now. Ideally I want something that hooks in with my Garmin Edge 705 and which can easily be moved between two bikes (both Shimano).

I'm thinking about renting one, just to see what my numbers are.

My turbo (Tacx Flow) has a power setting which lets me set the power and pedal to that power. Taking a MAP (RAMP) test with power will give you a fair idea of what you can do.

I do however love the idea of getting a power meter to use for a month or two to help me out training. I was watching 'Overcoming' and enjoyed the bit where Sastre was told to keep his power 450 (or 400). I'd love to go for a week in the Alps with apower meter

Diarmuid

scottreynolds wrote: »

I do however love the idea of getting a power meter to use for a month or two to help me out training. I was watching 'Overcoming' and enjoyed the bit where Sastre was told to keep his power 450 (or 400). I'd love to go for a week in the Alps with apower meter

I think it was Basso could push 450 but Sastre 400. Pretty impressive figures. Having a power meter is a good tool to train with. There's no hiding.

tunney

Pinarello wrote: »

You don't need to do a lab test to see what your numbers are.There is a test you can do on a home trainer....

Aye, i do alot of turbo testing and field testing but at the end of the day they don't tell you have as much as a lab test.

tunney

Was thinking about this approach to PMs yesterday on a ride. Very curious as to how the technology will work. More specifically how will it measure the power on the up stroke the "unweighting" phase of the stroke.

IM0

scottreynolds wrote: »

.. I'd love to go for a week in the Alps with a power meter..

been there done that for many years, a hery humbling experience

scottreynolds

me@ucd wrote: »

been there done that for many years, a hery humbling experience

Do tell..... what was the difference between your expectations and actual.

scottreynolds

tunney wrote: »

the "unweighting" phase

My thought was that your suppose to still apply pressure on the 'up' stroke. Different muscles do the job but its still a contribution. There are even special cranks that train those muscles. http://www.powercranks.com/ look cool but I can imagine very painful.

tunney

scottreynolds wrote: »

My thought was that your suppose to still apply pressure on the 'up' stroke. Different muscles do the job but its still a contribution. There are even special cranks that train those muscles. http://www.powercranks.com/ look cool but I can imagine very painful.

yes but the pressure applied isn't a downwards pressure.

The powercranks are cack. Ridiculous claims by the inventor.

DrB

A reminder to those who haven't yet completed the power meter survey that it closes next weekend. You still have a chance to win those wheels, see www.brimbrothers.com/survey/