Could I get a swap?

RobAMerc · 04-02-2009 4:44pm #1

I'm not happy with my current car but the wife won't let me change coz of the recession.

I'd love a Cayenne but again coz of the recession - probably not going to happen.
We need a bit of towing power coz I've inhereted a boat.

So - would I get someone to swap there 05/06 Toureg/RR Sport for my 06 320d m sport do ye think ?

smash · 04-02-2009 4:46pm

In this climate you'd be hard pushed. I'd just try and sell your car to buy the new one, or sell the boat...

Drummerboy08 · 04-02-2009 4:47pm

Maybe on whatever planet your on.....:rolleyes:

Being serious, i doubt it. There is a massive difference between a 320 and any of the jeeps you mentioned. There is also a big difference value wise - i.e. your car would not ne worth as much as one of the jeeps.

I know people are desperate to downgrade their cars, but you would have to be extremely lucky to find someone in that position.

L-M · 04-02-2009 4:49pm

Lol, i wouldn't be swapping a 06 RR Sport with you for it anyway. I'd say you'll find it hard to get a swap like that.

Owen · 04-02-2009 5:04pm

Most dealers won't swap, because what they need now is profit. Jeeps are suddenly very unfashionable in Ireland at the moment, so it's very unlikely someone is going to swap a saleable saloon car for what could be on the forecourt for months.

It's a horrible reality, but there you go.

[EDIT]Doh, I got it backwards. Nevermind anything I said.[/EDIT]

RobAMerc · 04-02-2009 5:10pm

steve06 wrote: »

In this climate you'd be hard pushed. I'd just try and sell your car to buy the new one, or sell the boat...

What has the economic climate got to do with it ?
I mean surely the SUV has depreciated alot more than mine would have.

What are 05/06 RR Sports making 36k and Touregs even less, and that's retail - trade in prices are probably alot less than that - Mines not worth a huge amount less than that.

Matt Simis · 04-02-2009 5:13pm

Im going to go against the trend and say someone may indeed want to swap a 04/05 Petrol SUV something (Cayenne's are all petrol for instance) for a much more economical 3 series Diesel. Perhaps a diesel SUV too, to avail of overall lower running and tax costs. Unlikely to be a 06 model tho. Im visualizing privately, but maybe a dealer with something unsellable would be interested in a straight swap, I would have thought your car would be quite desirable TBH, compare to a Cayenne in running, fuel, tyre etc costs there is no comparison!

Have you looked at Merlin Auctions car swap thing? Its specifically designed around down sizing, I was looking at it myself unfortunately!

Drummerboy08 · 04-02-2009 5:16pm

You might think it has depreciated alot more, but it would still be worth more than your own. What mileage is on your own?

A 06 RR Sport with 80,000kms on her, has a book value of around 44k. In reality, its prob worth 38-40k.

A 06 320d M Sport with 50,000kms on it has a vook value of around 27k. In reality its worth more like 22-24k.

Big difference there.

Eoin · 04-02-2009 5:19pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Im going to go against the trend and say someone may indeed want to swap a 04/05 Petrol SUV something (Cayenne's are all petrol for instance) for a much more economical 3 series Diesel. Perhaps a diesel SUV too, to avail of overall lower running and tax costs. Unlikely to be a 06 model tho. Im visualizing privately, but maybe a dealer with something unsellable would be interested in a straight swap, I would have thought your car would be quite desirable TBH, compare to a Cayenne in running, fuel, tyre etc costs there is no comparison!

I was going to say the same thing - there may well be people out there who want a nice car, but one that's a little lighter on the juice - or have just gotten over the SUV fad.

Matt Simis wrote: »

Have you looked at Merlin Auctions car swap thing? Its specifically designed around down sizing, I was looking at it myself unfortunately!

I think there is at least one site out there for people looking to swap - pretty sure it was linked to a while ago somewhere in the forum.

Matt Simis · 04-02-2009 5:20pm

ned78 wrote: »

Most dealers won't swap, because what they need now is profit. Jeeps are suddenly very unfashionable in Ireland at the moment, so it's very unlikely someone is going to swap a saleable saloon car for what could be on the forecourt for months.

It's a horrible reality, but there you go.

[EDIT]Doh, I got it backwards. Nevermind anything I said.[/EDIT]

Well, your original post makes inadvertantly backs up what I was saying, big petrol SUV -> No Sale. Small Diesel Saloon -> chance of sale!

Drummerboy08 · 04-02-2009 5:22pm

But you have to look at what cost the RR might stand the dealer. If it stands him 40-50k, there is no point in swapping it with a car worth 20-25k is there?

Matt Simis · 04-02-2009 5:24pm

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

But you have to look at what cost the RR might stand the dealer. If it stands him 40-50k, there is no point in swapping it with a car worth 20-25k is there?

There is also the matter that having a vehicle on the forecourt worth 40k up to the day the dealer is forcefully shut down by the bank does them no good at all.
Your getting hung up on the nitty gritty of the model year (06) and the RR (expensive to begin with). Be a bit more flexible on that front and you see his idea is indeed sound, as eoin put it:

there may well be people out there who want a nice car, but one that's a little lighter on the juice - or have just gotten over the SUV fad.

Drummerboy08 · 04-02-2009 5:27pm

OK, but a 05 X5, RR Sport, or Toureg would still be worth, and more than likely standing more than the value of the 06 320d.

OP, you'd be better off trying to find an individual who is desperate to downgrade, and hasnt got their vehicle on finance. Gonna be tough.

RobAMerc · 04-02-2009 7:00pm

I never mentioned a dealer btw and the 06 RR sport was an example - I did actually say 05/06 Touareg or RR Sport - a fairly wide gap price wise btw 22-24k is a bit low for mine even for use in a argument !

Drummerboy08 · 04-02-2009 7:09pm

I wouldnt say so RobaMerc. I've seen a few of them been brought in from the UK for 20k and under. Why would someone give you more for it, if it can be bought cheaper else where?

I know, i only used it as an example too. You might find one of the older Touregs, maybe 04, in a dealer who would be interested in a swap.

RobAMerc · 04-02-2009 7:18pm

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I wouldnt say so RobaMerc. I've seen a few of them been brought in from the UK for 20k and under. Why would someone give you more for it, if it can be bought cheaper else where?

I know, i only used it as an example too. You might find one of the older Touregs, maybe 04, in a dealer who would be interested in a swap.

are you in the trade ?

Drummerboy08 · 04-02-2009 7:32pm

Yep, i am.

RobAMerc · 04-02-2009 7:46pm

well then you know what an 04 touareg is worth then and you should know my car is worth a bit more than that

Matt Simis · 04-02-2009 7:49pm

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Yep, i am.

Ignoring the costing of the RR that you keep revolving around, you also seem against the idea in principle. Is there any specific reason for that? Surely if you had a hard-to-sell car its preferable to swap it for a easier sell of approx similar value?

Top Dog · 04-02-2009 7:51pm

RobAMerc wrote: »

well then you know what an 04 touareg is worth then and you should know my car is worth a bit more than that

What a car is worth, and what someone is willing to pay for it, can often be 2 very different prices.

Drummerboy08 · 04-02-2009 7:51pm

This will give you an idea - and its not bullsh*t either.

We had a 09 320d SE go out to a customer this week, on contract hire. It will come back to us in three years time with 96,000 kms. We put a buyback on it of 16,000e Inc VAT. Now, we will sell it to the trade more than likely at that stage, but if that car was to come back tommorow at that price, we would barely get out of it. I would presume that the trader would sell it on at that price plus a few grand.

A 04 Touareg is worth buttons - i agree. We had a 06 commercial one not too long ago, and got out of it @ 28k. I suppose a clean passenger version, with reasonable miles on it would be worth 18-20k?

unkel · 04-02-2009 7:55pm

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

If it stands him 40-50k

The longer the trade is gonna hold on to the concept of how much a car "stands" them, the worse it is going to get for them. The only thing that counts is how much you can actually shift it for.

I too think the OP has a fighting chance to get a higher end slightly older SUV for his low running cost 320d, maybe with a bit of cash to soften up the dealer. The dealer is getting rid of a saleproof car, gets a sellable car and even a bit of cash. It's an offer he knows he can not refuse.

OP, you like Cayennes? Surely now is the time to get one! Recessions are great for an opportunist with a bit of money

Drummerboy08 · 04-02-2009 7:57pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

Ignoring the costing of the RR that you keep revolving around, you also seem against the idea in principle. Is there any specific reason for that? Surely if you had a hard-to-sell car its preferable to swap it for a easier sell of approx similar value?

Im not against the idea by any means, im just scepical that you would find someone who would be willing to make a swap like that. A dealer will be reluctant to do it, the car that he has could stand him alot more than the 320 is worth, so it wouldnt make sense for him to do it.

An individual would be hard if not harder to find, as the majority of vehicles like these were bought on finance - more than likely over 5 years. A 04 one might just be off finance now, but anything after that wont be. An individual wont swap, if his car is on finance, as he will still be paying for a car he no longer owns, and the fact that the OP would be getting a car with finance owed, so it would be still subject to recovery by the finance house.

If the OP wants to swap for something like that, go ahead, maybe he's best advertising on a car swap website, or checking the offers at Merlin car auctions.

Could I get a swap?

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