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UK to TAX Broadband customers.

  • 01-02-2009 7:31pm
    #1
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭


    UK to TAX Broadband customers because of pirates.

    Full Story

    Courtesy: Afterdawn.


    Are we next?

    -

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



Comments

  • #2
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Delete this thread before Cowen sees it. :eek:


  • #3
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Hagar wrote: »
    Delete this thread before Cowen sees it. :eek:
    You're grand.. No fear of Sarkozy reading boards.. :pac:


  • #4
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    So, does this mean that because eircom have a legally binding agreement with the courts (three strikes and your out) that it would be illegal to impose a TAX on Irish eircom Broadband customers?

    -

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #5
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    gadgetman496 wrote: »
    UK to TAX Broadband customers because of pirates.

    Full Story

    Courtesy: Afterdawn.


    Are we next?

    -

    Did you read the article at all? Firstly it is something the minister is looking at. Secondly it is a report of another article from another newspaper and lastly it says it may not happen soon.

    This article will give more perspecitve on what is happening in the UK at the moment.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/jan/29/digital-britain-lord-carter-broadband


  • #6
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    jmccrohan wrote: »
    You're grand.. No fear of Sarkozy reading boards.. :pac:
    He doesn't post much but.... Sarkozy :eek::D


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  • #7
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    Hagar wrote: »
    He doesn't post much but.... Sarkozy :eek::D

    OMG! :eek: we have a spy in the camp :D

    -

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #8
    jor el
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    gadgetman496 wrote: »
    So, does this mean that because eircom have a legally binding agreement with the courts (three strikes and your out) that it would be illegal to impose a TAX on Irish eircom Broadband customers?

    -

    eircom have no agreement with the courts.


  • #9
    PaulieBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 534 ✭✭✭PaulieBoy


    Remember the tax on cassette tapes ? Every blank tape had included in the price a "tax" that went to the music industry to cover them for the "loss" that they would experience because of piracy. Music only recordable CD's had the same deal.
    Canada had an MP3 player tax, and there was talk of it being brought back again.Every Zune player sold has a levy that goes to the music industry.
    So a tax on broadband would not be without precedent!

    And Cowen being the ignorant idiot that he is would jump at such a tax, so be afraid, be very afraid :-(


  • #10
    thebman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    If we are being taxed for pirating stuff then don't we then have an obligation to pirate if we weren't before and can't we pirate more if we were already pirating without fear or being sued?

    Since we have paid for it already with the tax like :D

    On a serious note, ISP's policing their users is bad. If the government wants laws to be respected they should police them, themselves.


  • #11
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    thebman wrote: »
    If we are being taxed for pirating stuff then don't we then have an obligation to pirate if we weren't before and can't we pirate more if we were already pirating without fear or being sued?

    Since we have paid for it already with the tax like :D

    On a serious note, ISP's policing their users is bad. If the government wants laws to be respected they should police them, themselves.

    And one can only imagine the outcry from people like yourself if the Government started policing users as you propose.

    And which isps are policing their users?


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  • #12
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    PaulieBoy wrote: »
    Remember the tax on cassette tapes ? Every blank tape had included in the price a "tax" that went to the music industry to cover them for the "loss" that they would experience because of piracy. Music only recordable CD's had the same deal.
    Canada had an MP3 player tax, and there was talk of it being brought back again.Every Zune player sold has a levy that goes to the music industry.
    So a tax on broadband would not be without precedent!

    And Cowen being the ignorant idiot that he is would jump at such a tax, so be afraid, be very afraid :-(

    Did you read the articles? There is no serious proposal for a tax on bb at the moment in the UK.


  • #13
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,423 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    jor el wrote: »
    eircom have no agreement with the courts.

    Eircom has settled with the Big 4 labels EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner, and has agreed to disconnect customers who download unauthorized music.

    "High Court proceedings ... have been settled on an amicable basis with both sides expressing satisfaction with the outcome,"

    While the agreement is between eircom & the 4 labels it was presided over by the the High Court so whatever way you want to phrase it, it is legally binding.

    -

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #14
    jor el
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    gadgetman496 wrote: »
    Eircom has settled with the Big 4 labels EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner, and has agreed to disconnect customers who download unauthorized music.

    "High Court proceedings ... have been settled on an amicable basis with both sides expressing satisfaction with the outcome,"

    While the agreement is between eircom & the 4 labels it was presided over by the the High Court so whatever way you want to phrase it, it is legally binding.

    -

    The settlement was out of court, so there is nothing in law. The courts have nothing to do with the settlement, the music companies simply took eircom to the court to force their hand. The court didn't preside over the agreement either, they presided over the case that was taken against eircom.


  • #15
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Lord Carter is proposing a LOT of things. It's a Quango proposal and many of the proposals are frankly loony. Licences forever for 3G to existing operators? I don't think so.


  • #16
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    watty wrote: »
    Lord Carter is proposing a LOT of things. It's a Quango proposal and many of the proposals are frankly loony. Licences forever for 3G to existing operators? I don't think so.

    More here:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/feb/01/mediabusiness


  • #17
    BigEejit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭BigEejit


    gadgetman496 wrote: »
    UK to TAX Broadband customers because of pirates.

    Full Story

    Courtesy: Afterdawn.


    Are we next?

    -
    any chance you could add the following to your thread title "in 2012?" :pac:


  • #18
    thebman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    dub45 wrote: »
    And one can only imagine the outcry from people like yourself if the Government started policing users as you propose.

    And which isps are policing their users?

    I don't download music. In fact the only thing I use torrents for is the latest episode of Heroes because I couldn't be arse waiting for it to air here and I hae the boxset for it too.

    Eircom are policing their users. They are just accepting information from third parties for the IP addresses.

    Its the same as the police waiting for a crime to be reported to them then going to the crime scene. It should be the police not the ISP. I'd have no problem if the police properly enforced the law but to be cut off from possibly your only source of broadband is a bit harsh. Fined maybe but cut off, no I don't think so.


  • #19
    jor el
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    thebman wrote: »
    Eircom are policing their users. They are just accepting information from third parties for the IP addresses.

    As of yet, nothing has happened. We also don't know what exactly eircom will do with the information provided, or what kind of investigation they will perform. You're making a statement of fact on something that there are no facts on yet.


  • #20
    dub45
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭dub45


    thebman wrote: »
    I don't download music. In fact the only thing I use torrents for is the latest episode of Heroes because I couldn't be arse waiting for it to air here and I hae the boxset for it too.

    Eircom are policing their users. They are just accepting information from third parties for the IP addresses.

    Its the same as the police waiting for a crime to be reported to them then going to the crime scene. It should be the police not the ISP. I'd have no problem if the police properly enforced the law but to be cut off from possibly your only source of broadband is a bit harsh. Fined maybe but cut off, no I don't think so.

    If a person is to be cut off they will have been given two previous warnings as we understand the arrangement. Now if anyone is cut off from their only source of bb after that they are surely an idiot?

    And 'only source of broadband' get real! There are other sources of bb out there. And if the bb is that important to the person then they, as I have written elsewhere, like someone who is dependent on a car for their living should be driving carefully.


  • #21
    Donald-Duck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭Donald-Duck


    thebman wrote: »
    I don't download music. In fact the only thing I use torrents for is the latest episode of Heroes because I couldn't be arse waiting for it to air here and I hae the boxset for it too.

    Eircom are policing their users. They are just accepting information from third parties for the IP addresses.

    Its the same as the police waiting for a crime to be reported to them then going to the crime scene. It should be the police not the ISP. I'd have no problem if the police properly enforced the law but to be cut off from possibly your only source of broadband is a bit harsh. Fined maybe but cut off, no I don't think so.

    If you want to pirate, don't be a retard and get caught. Simple solution to the problem.


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