revenge reality

Heckler · 31-01-2009 3:25am #1

Having watched "Taken" tonight begs the question. I know on boards I can't advocate violence. How far would you go if a sister, daughter, wife was taken ? And before all the keyboard warriors get fired up, try to keep it real. Say an above member was murdered / raped ?

I reckon revenge is a pipe dream. If it wasn't a whole lot of family members of rape and murder victims would be locked up. People talk it up a lot but what would you actually do ? I reckon not much.

Discuss away.

minidazzler · 31-01-2009 3:27am

Simple as, I would kill the person responsible, without hesitation, without remorse.

There is not easier way to say it.

Biggins · 31-01-2009 3:28am

minidazzler wrote: »

Simple as, I would kill the person responsible, without hesitation, without remorse.

There is not easier way to say it.

Honestly, as a parent of 4 now, that about sums me up too.

yidkid · 31-01-2009 3:32am

i would make sure they had a fair trial.........not

Senna · 31-01-2009 3:35am

Revenge cases come up in the courts quite often, maybe not revenge for rape or murder too often, but defiantly stuff like brothers kicking the ****e out of their sisters ex if they find out they were hit during the relationship.

Me, i wouldn't be one for fighting, but if it was serious i'd would lose all common scene and do something i probably wouldn't regret after.

Heckler · 31-01-2009 3:43am

minidazzler wrote: »

Simple as, I would kill the person responsible, without hesitation, without remorse.

There is not easier way to say it.

I don't believe you. I think you believe it yourself but if it came to it you wouldn't do it. Say a guy raped your wife (sorry I don't know if you are male or female). He gets off, a year later you have an unregistered gun , have him on his knees with the barrel to his forehead. Would you shoot ?

In the situation above I would like to think i would but I don't know.........Its a huge thing to take a human life.

pwd · 31-01-2009 3:43am

why do you think they aren't?
Do you think the people most hungry for vengeance are the ones who see criminals convicted and sent to prison? It's people who have society fail to give them justice, or who are themselves victims of injustice, who are the ones to take revenge themselves.

Heckler · 31-01-2009 3:46am

Eh ? What are you replying to exactly ?

pwd · 31-01-2009 3:47am

the op

minidazzler · 31-01-2009 3:55am

Heckler wrote: »

I don't believe you. I think you believe it yourself but if it came to it you wouldn't do it. Say a guy raped your wife (sorry I don't know if you are male or female). He gets off, a year later you have an unregistered gun , have him on his knees with the barrel to his forehead. Would you shoot ?

In the situation above I would like to think i would but I don't know.........Its a huge thing to take a human life.

I am 99.999999........% sure I would, very little could really stop me. I am not afraid of Prison, I have way too much love for my Family and Friends that I wouldn't stop myself.

If you think of it, it really only takes a single breath. Not much to the act.

If lads in every war ever fought could kill people who they had no personal animosity towards, I am sure I could kill someone who I actually wanted dead.

My problem would be I was caught before killing them because I spend time torturing them!!!!!(probably...)

But yeah, I probably would. and with no problems about it. I have no religion, so that's not stopping me doing it. I don't know of anything that could stop me.

Heckler · 31-01-2009 3:55am

You're not making sense lad. Aimed at PMD.

Biggins · 31-01-2009 3:59am

Heckler wrote: »

Say a guy raped your wife (sorry I don't know if you are male or female). He gets off, a year later you have an unregistered gun , have him on his knees with the barrel to his forehead. Would you shoot ?

Yes.

pwd · 31-01-2009 4:00am

this:

If it wasn't a whole lot of family members of rape and murder victims would be locked up

Heckler · 31-01-2009 4:01am

My argument is why are there not more associated killings (and I won't call them murders) when it comes to for example child murders, rapes and or homicides. Everyone reckons they would exact revenge but they don't. Why not ?

SV · 31-01-2009 4:29am

Murder would be on the cards.

I don't think the whole logic thing could come into play about going to jail for the rest of your life etc etc
I've a terrible temper over small things so something like that would tip me over/

Heckler wrote: »

My argument is why are there not more associated killings (and I won't call them murders) when it comes to for example child murders, rapes and or homicides. Everyone reckons they would exact revenge but they don't. Why not ?

Regards the child rapes and that, they end up being protected by the police. Yep.
Tax payers money to protect scum.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-01-2009 4:48am

Heckler wrote: »

My argument is why are there not more associated killings (and I won't call them murders) when it comes to for example child murders, rapes and or homicides. Everyone reckons they would exact revenge but they don't. Why not ?

Beacuse people don't go out looking for that position.

There's two ways of interpreting this: 1 - would you go out and make the effort to track down the guy, buy a weapon and actually find him and kill him, and 2 - if you just happened to be in your car and he just happened to be walking across the road in front of you would you hit the accelerator and run him down?

I think most people would answer no to number one, but yes to number two.

minidazzler · 31-01-2009 4:50am

I would answer yes to number 1. but that's because I am described as a bit of a psycho anyway, so it would not really surprize anyone I know!!!

pwd · 31-01-2009 5:11am

Killing someone is like getting a tattoo. When you think you want to get one, you should wait a year and see if you still want to get the same one, so you know you won't regret it later.

minidazzler · 31-01-2009 5:21am

pwd wrote: »

Killing someone is like getting a tattoo. When you think you want to get one, you should wait a year and see if you still want to get the same one, so you know you won't regret it later.

I suppose being from Limerick, you would know....joking of course.

pwd · 31-01-2009 5:25am

I'm from the southside of Dublin. You are joking, but you genuinely do get discriminated against for having a Limerick address.

Chucky the tree · 31-01-2009 5:34am

Most people who say yes are just the typical keyboard warrior bull****ters you find on afterhours.

minidazzler · 31-01-2009 5:37am

pwd wrote: »

I'm from the southside of Dublin. You are joking, but you genuinely do get discriminated against for having a Limerick address.

What, I was on about the Tattoo bit. lol.

James T Kirk · 31-01-2009 5:44am

I would tend to agree with Heckler here; and I think it's a cultural thing. We'd all like to think of ourselves as the 'avenging hero': the Dirty Harry, Charles Bronson or Bruce Willis character. We've been reared on a cultural diet of Hollywood screen violence for decades: we watch the movie and identify with the hero; we are the hero for two hours.

But that's not the reality. Look at all the families who have lost people in 'The Troubles', or in the Middle East: beyond joining paramilitary reprisals, most decent folk seem to bear their loss in private -- some even finding forgiveness. Now I've absolutely no statistics on the victim-revenge ratio in either conflict and I'm not going to start splitting hairs or going into semantics, but common sense tells me that there are more silent victims than 'glorious' avengers.

Anyways, I watched an excellent film on this very subject about six months ago called 'In the Bedroom'. No Bruce Willis heroics, just an intelligent study of the aftermath when a couple's only son is murdered by a local.

Black Swan · 31-01-2009 8:51am

Posters are contemplating and imagining the killing of another person on this thread, given this or that condition as justification. I wonder why threads such as these frequent boards.ie, or why people in great numbers see films like "Taken" with this violent theme? What does this say about us as people?

galwayrush · 31-01-2009 10:19am

Shooting is a very effective scum remover. It certainly improves society.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 31-01-2009 10:20am

Heckler wrote: »

Having watched "Taken" tonight begs the question. I know on boards I can't advocate violence. How far would you go if a sister, daughter, wife was taken ?

Not sure, you have to be calm and defuse the situation, Patients helps.

And before all the keyboard warriors get fired up, try to keep it real. Say an above member was murdered / raped ?

I have a fear of my girlfriend getting raped, and my younger brother getting murdered. I don't think I would be a free man afterwards.

I reckon revenge is a pipe dream. If it wasn't a whole lot of family members of rape and murder victims would be locked up. People talk it up a lot but what would you actually do ? I reckon not much.

Discuss away.

Depends on the situation. Everyone has the potential to kill someone, even your religion teacher.

Immediately, you may seek revenge, this might last for a while. After time I think you would calm down and think rationally. Now, this obviously doesn't go for everyone. Some may not seek revenge at all, some may spend the rest of their lives seeking revenge, you know?

4zn76tysfajdxp · 31-01-2009 10:23am

Camryn Chubby Kneecap wrote: »

I have a fear of my girlfriend getting raped, and my younger brother getting murdered. I don't think I would be a free man afterwards.

Well then just don't rape your girlfriend and murder your brother. Problem solved.

Ghost Train · 31-01-2009 10:24am

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

I wonder why threads such as these frequent boards.ie, or why people in great numbers see films like "Taken" with this violent theme? What does this say about us as people?

They lead boring lives and need to think about something more exciting (being shocked, frightened or being fearless)... that being said the reality is far from exciting and must be crushing for families involved... especially when the attacker is unknown. I think the fact that media reports violent crimes also means its a part of our lives wheather we like it or not and will think about it maybe more than we should. But leaving the media out of it, stuff like this (children being killed) has happened to two families I've known... the sad reality and a movie story with violence (for a normal person) are two totally different things.. you can say the two are alike but ones real the others fake and as long as you're not effected personally liking a violent movie won't make you a bad person, its probably healthy for the mind to escape your boring life for a while (when i say "your boring life" I don't mean you B!ue, I imagine you lead a rollercoaster life, just the other boring people

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Collie D · 31-01-2009 10:38am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Most people who say yes are just the typical keyboard warrior bull****ters you find on afterhours.

Agreed, I honestly do not think I am capable of killing somebody in cold blood. I do however, think I could beat someone to within an inch of their life.

galwayrush · 31-01-2009 10:42am

So. when is the next Bring Back Hanging thread?:rolleyes:

Caoimhín · 31-01-2009 10:43am

minidazzler wrote: »

Simple as, I would kill the person responsible, without hesitation, without remorse.

There is not easier way to say it.

Killing someone/something is a lot more difficult than it seems. It is not like the movies. Nasty business.

Collie D · 31-01-2009 10:44am

galwayrush wrote: »

So. when is the next Bring Back Hanging thread?:rolleyes:

Hanging's too good for 'em :rolleyes:

James T Kirk · 31-01-2009 10:56am

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Posters are contemplating and imagining the killing of another person on this thread, given this or that condition as justification. I wonder why threads such as these frequent boards.ie, or why people in great numbers see films like "Taken" with this violent theme? What does this say about us as people?

I have hope surf-gal. Most people are decent. Just wanna get on with their lives without stress. And kill every motha in the room.:rolleyes:

galwayrush · 31-01-2009 10:57am

Collie D wrote: »

Hanging's too good for 'em :rolleyes:

True, but it'll be a start.:cool:

Futurism · 31-01-2009 11:28am

I'd take a hammer to the face of those responsible. Oldboy style.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-01-2009 11:30am

galwayrush wrote: »

So. when is the next Bring Back Hanging thread?:rolleyes:

Vigilante Cop: What do you think about reading a suspect his rights?
Sledge Hammer: I prefer to read him his *last* rites, if you know what I mean...
Vigilante: What do you think about the death penalty?
Sledge Hammer: It's too lenient. There's always the possibility of reincarnation.

or this from Dune
The Spice is
in great danger. We are not asking... we
are telling... remedy the situation or you
will live out your life in a pain
amplifier.

James T Kirk · 31-01-2009 11:54am

LOL... Sledge Hammer... that was a class show.

Whispered · 31-01-2009 12:25pm

I would like to be able to say if anybody killed someone I loved I could kill them, but I really don't think I could. Not through forgiveness or any sort of higher moral code or anything but for the person I love and their family.

Say a mother looses a daughter, then her husband goes and kills the scum that caused it, and gets locked up. That woman has lost her daughter AND now her husband. She now has to deal with both of those losses, with less support than she would have had. Revenge may seem good as an idea, but I'd say it rarely works.

Now if I thought I could hand over money, walk away and never be implicated in any revenge killing, that might be easier. But still, I wonder if I could actually go through with it.

A beating to within an inch of their life is a different matter all together.

Also, I would like to think that they will pay for their crime in some way. Karma and all that.

Tigger · 31-01-2009 5:35pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Most people who say yes are just the typical keyboard warrior bull****ters you find on afterhours.

we project ourselves onto others

Tigger · 31-01-2009 5:37pm

Caoimhín wrote: »

Killing someone/something is a lot more difficult than it seems. It is not like the movies. Nasty business.

note to self ; be nicer to Caoimhín

stovelid · 31-01-2009 5:40pm

Biggins wrote: »

Honestly, as a parent of 4 now, that about sums me up too.

And leave your kids without a father while you did a life stretch?

MagicMarker · 31-01-2009 5:51pm

I wouldn't kill anyone.

But if someone raped/murdered a close friend/family member then I would probably make sure they live out the rest of their days in agonizing pain, and I wouldn't get caught.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 31-01-2009 5:51pm

The trick here seesm to be wound rather than kill. Shoot him in the balls. That, way he lives on in pain and you only get done for assualt with a daedly weapon. With mitigating circumstances, you'd be out in 4 - 5 years on good behaveiour.

stovelid · 31-01-2009 6:14pm

This thread....

/excuse shit photoshop skillz

Sleepy · 31-01-2009 6:17pm

If I was sure I'd get away with it, no problem. I don't adhere to any notion that human life is in some way sacred in and of itself, it's the actions taken by someone that make their life worthwhile or worthless.

That said I'm a lazy sod and don't exactly have the skills of the character Liam Neeson plays in that movie...

dtwhaler · 31-01-2009 7:51pm

I'd like to think I would be in the "yes I would" group but when it came down to it I dont know if I'd have it in me. I'd want to but dont think I'd have the bottle. To avange a death where they tortured your spouse/child ............ I'd want them to suffer first rather than get it over with quickly ? That would feel more like justice .... but could I ? I doubt it.

That said, I wouldnt put much faith in getting justice in this country ...... or many others in the "civilised" world. Too many rights for the criminal imo. You will always have the do-gooders saying that the murderer/rapist etc dont need punished ............. they need treatment. I think this way of thinking would encourage more to take the law into their own hands to ensure some sort of justice.

Sort of speaks volumes for the methods used in some countries .... would legal execution be enough for revenge ? You would need to be 100% certain beyond any doubt that you have the right person. I think thats where that system may be flawed.

Biggins · 31-01-2009 7:54pm

stovelid wrote: »

And leave your kids without a father while you did a life stretch?

There are ways to do things and there are ways to do things right. Thats all I'm gonna say.

Poccington · 31-01-2009 7:56pm

If I got the chance, I'd kill them... Without hesitation.

If for some crazy reason I decided to bottle it, at the very least I'd make sure they never had the physical ability to hurt people ever again.

jaffa20 · 31-01-2009 8:04pm

A lot of angry people on this thread. Don't think i could ever kill someone.

twinytwo · 31-01-2009 8:21pm

It would depend on what the person did and who they did it to. . But to kill someone is too easy and too good for the person in question..... Personally id crush his knees and ankles with a sledge hammer.... that way he would suffer for the rest of his life

31-01-2009 8:22pm

God it's a bloody brilliant film. but that's not the point. If I could go to the extremes he went to to get my daughter back, I'd have no problem doing it.

revenge reality

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