Opinions-Who should Fedors next 3 opponents be and when? (ideally)

soretoe

The question is: All promotions considered - are there actually that many fighters out there with half a chance against Fedor - really?
and if not....then who the hell are they gonna feed him apart from Barnett and Lesnar? and poss Mir who has finally acheived over-rated status and would get eaten by Fedor first round.

Arlovski should get a rematch after Barnett if Fedor wins that - only fair - had the makings of a great long hard fight before the knockout - could have been classic.

Anyone else have a chance? - opinionsssssssss pleeeeeeeeese

rovert

At least one fight with Lesnar so I can watch the internet implode when Brock wins.

Karmafaerie

Me.

He'll retire after that!:cool:

ginoginelli

Good thread..

Ideally id like to see him fight Barnett first, then the winner of lesnar/mir, and then whoever is the no 1 contender in the ufc at that stage. Would be nice if it was overeem.

After these fights, Fedor retires and goes into politics lol

Gdep

Anderson Silva, Lesnar and Frank Mir.

Silva : Pound for pound best in the world

Brock Lesnar i think would over power him and i think hes had enough training now to avoid getting caught by submission.

After seeing what Mir did to Nogueira on his feet and what we know he can do on the ground i think it would make a good fight.

Nothingcompares

Not to descend into sherdogism but the following I feel all have a chance* of beating Fedor.

In no particular order.

Andrei Alovski

Pros: Superior boxing, size, athleticism
Cons: Weaker chin, prone to doing stupid things

Josh Barnett:

Pros: Well rounded, Intelligent
Cons: Not as fast as fedor

Quinton Jackson

Pros: Superior boxing, take down defense, extremely strong
Cons: No submission offence, smaller than fedor

Allistair Overeem

Pros: Good kickboxing, size, strength
Cons: Checkered record, submission defense.

Anderson Silva

Pros: Better boxing, knowledgable on the ground
Cons: Much smaller

Frank Mir:

Pros: Big and athletic and possibly good boxing and submissions
Cons: Inconsistent

Gabriel Gonzaga

Pros: Very big, very well rounded
Cons: Mentally prepared to fight Fedor?

Forrest Griffen

Pros: Very tough, follows game plan
Cons: May get rocked by Fedor's punches

Randy Couture:

Pros: Tough, follow good game plan
Cons: Past his best

Sergei Kharintarov

Pros: trained with/by Fedor
Cons: not as good as Fedor

Brock Lesnar:

Pros: Won't be taken down, Unpredictable, size
Cons: unproven, untested, no submission offence/defence

* who am I kidding, Fedor is unbeatable.

soretoe

EDIT: Come on for God sake.


Neil

soretoe

........Brock comes out.............Fedor throws a perfect whipping overhand right................Brocks not there coz he's bullet time ducked under and locomotived through Fedors mid-section ...and leaped into the air over the ropes ...peaked....and inverted.....10 feet down onto the concrete spearing Fedors limp dead broken carcass on the white cement..............rising ....................without a scratch.............not a ****in scratch.........towering above the dead russian..........to the still-silent awe of all mankind.............breathing.........audibly.........and then cracking his neck around........click click....click....and just walking away in fading slow motion.........head down........... into the mist .....................back............................to the jungle............where he belongs...................obviously .............to this tune...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6bSRcRAhnc&feature=related

ginoginelli

soretoe wrote: »

stupid random gibberish that broke the thread

Ouch! You just hurt my eyes :eek:

So you think Arloski deserves a rematch? Yet you see him not getting out of round 1 again? Whats the reasoning behind having the rematch then?

Fedor v Arloski 2 is pointless at this stage. Possibly down the road if Arloski can beat some more top competition without getting knocked out again..

soretoe

well ok he's got a weak chin................but he's very strong very fast very skilled in all ranges so...........ah fook it I dont know..........it'd be a good match if it went past rd 1 but lets be honest Fedor is.....x....y...z....amazing brilliant......faultless...........so if anyone can even theoretically create a good fight with him then they should get a chance.........kongo couldn't and he's rumoured to be up next with Brock after the Mir fight...........Gonzaga couldn't as stated...............and I dont really see Mir doin well either coz of two things - 1. he's just not good enough on his feet (irrespective of what a finished Nog made him look to be) and 2. Refer to No.1
There is however a school of thought which says put him in with a few lads with good chins and a swingers chance - like Mark Hunt or that fat lad from afflicitons lower tier heavy weight cant think of his name.or fook it even kimbo...nobody expects anyone to beat Fedor anyway..........and people know there's a ltd number a guys on the planet that will even get into the ring.....literally....apart.....from .....Brock who will.......probably win....if it ever happens......plus he'll have a couple good fights/wins and loads more training by the time it happens.....mua ha ha

Sm0ke

lol

didnt realise we had so many ufc fan boys :rolleyes:

fedor wud beat brock no argument. maybe in a few years brock will be good enough but right now he just isnt.

also to whoever said that lesnar has enough training in submissions now is being incredibly naive, 3 months compared to 10 years + on fedors training and fighting ? dont be so ridiculous.

/rant

I would love to see fedor against :

Arlovski rematch, Andrei deserves it.

Josh Barnett might gve him a few problems but i dont really see him having the quality to beat fedor, so this wudnt be one of my choices.

Overeem would be a decent fight too.

TBH currently, i cannot see anyone beating Fedor. Arlovski i felt had the best chance of any of the current Heavyweights and he has been dispatched.

Roper

Do not smoke and then post. You are hurting sober people's eyes.

I like to think of myself as a snobby purist, but I have to say I think Lesnar is the only one capable of beating Fedor right now. It's a fight I'd like to see and given Affliction's woes, it may happen. Although I think just as Lesnar gets top and begins to pound him, and the MMA purists the world over begin to cry, there's a chance that Fedor will transcend the physical form, and become an ethereal being made of pure thought...

... he's done everything else.

calex71

fedor is way too seasoned/skilled to be taken out by lesner imo , bar a mistake and a good strike.

Would have lovbed to see him against overeem but that seem unlikely based on seeing him with dana @ ufc 93 :mad:

The other obvious ones if where talking matches that could be made but are unrealistic are:

Sidelnokov - how sweet would it be to see him beaten by baby Fedor

and the big one alexander emelianenko - how sweet would that be

would not bet against Fedor with either of them though



I like Fedor and do buy into his mythical status etc just not the hype ,he is a man, he can and will be beaten the question is when and how badly and by whom will be be beaten.

I just dont want him to turn in to another anderson silva where they throw sub par opponents against him.

Actually that would be good if they where in the same weight class wouldnt it ? they are both referenced as best pound for ponders lol

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Clive

Barnett, of course, has all the tools to beat Fedor, but can he do it is the question?

For some reason however, I just want to see Fedor fight Datsik if he's still alive.

ta2liam

i think mir at his best would be a good match up for fedor for a 1st ufc fight and he he beat mir then lesner

Sm0ke

Roper wrote: »

Although I think just as Lesnar gets top and begins to pound him, and the MMA purists the world over begin to cry, there's a chance that Fedor will transcend the physical form, and become an ethereal being made of pure thought...

... he's done everything else.

that was the most beautiful mma post i have ever read !!!!


Seriously tough, Lesnar just doesnt have the tools yet. I don't even doubt for a secound that in 2 years time, if Lesnar keeps training and doesnt shrink over night, he will easily beat any man alive. When He trains more and learns more submissions and submission defence, improves his ground game even more then he will have a chance at Fedor. Watch this space because Lesnar will be the next "baddest man alive" .


But not yet.

rovert

Sm0ke wrote: »

lol

didnt realise we had so many ufc fan boys :rolleyes:

With a post as juvenile as that you shouldn’t be calling people boys.

Killme00

+1 for Overeem, Gonzaga and Barnett

Overeem for his size and striking ability but he when it goes to the ground, i cant see him getting up a winner.

Gonzaga for his ground game and his unpredictability standing up. However any time he has lost, it has been to strikes.

Barnett, basically because so many people want to see it. Yes, he is big and well rounded but he is also slow in comparison to Fedor. He wouldnt want to stand with Fedor, so it would be a battle to see who lands on top on the ground. If Fedor gets on top, even in Barnetts guard..its over. If Barnett ends up on top, even in the mount, i cant see him finishing Fedor.

I do agree with Rovert though, that when Lesnar beats him, the internet will implode

Dragan

In all honesty, Semmy Schilt.

T-K-O

I dont seen any point in the Arvolski rematch - Fedor knows what to expect the the result would be more of the same. Arvolski reminded me of how a skilled boxer would fair out in MMA - boxing skills aint enough.


Anderson Silva or Frank Mir would be a great challenge for Fedor.

Fedor would IMO will beat Brock Lesnar.

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

I dont seen any point in the Arvolski rematch - Fedor knows what to expect the the result would be more of the same. Arvolski reminded me of how a skilled boxer would fair out in MMA - boxing skills aint enough.


Anderson Silva or Frank Mir would be a great challenge for Fedor.

Fedor would IMO will beat Brock Lesnar.

His lack of chin is nothing to do with Boxing, he was winning using his boxing skills up to that point, no individual skill in mma is enough though.
and a bad chin will be a bad chin no matter what skill you come from.

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

His lack of chin is nothing to do with Boxing, he was winning using his boxing skills up to that point, no individual skill in mma is enough though.
and a bad chin will be a bad chin no matter what skill you come from.

I wasn't talking about his chin, rather his early domination with superior boxing skills.

In saying that not many guys would have taken that shot and if they did Fedor would have been all over them at that stage.

soretoe

actually - now that you mention chin - he does seem to go out really really quickly - like a light - would that not be a sign to pack it in......I mean its a game of face punching....why put yourself at risk if the switch off mechanism in your particular head is so sensistive - would that not mean he's probably more prone to gettin punched stupid in his mma career - which still has probably 8 years - coz he's only 29 now. anyway just a thought - if he goes against brock - one hammerfist upside the head on the ground and he's out cold. If he rematches Fedor - same risk - lights out bedtime. Poor fooker just goes out like a switch. Pity coz I agree he has serious boxing skills - speed footwork combos.....give him a helmut!

soretoe

anyone actually know how much Fedor making for these afflicition fights ?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

300k plus - but anyone know how much ?
Obviously he should by all reckoning be gettin the most spondoolix in the world of MMA by the logic that he's the recognised lb for lb best of the best but it's probably not true is it ? ..............coz guaranteed GSP and BJ will clean up more cash this weekend. Afflicitions pay per view figures are small I assume compared to UFC. Saw somethin like 100,000 buys for Day of reckoning - compared to say 1 million plus for Chuck V Tito. That's like $4m compared to $40m.

rovert

soretoe wrote: »

actually - now that you mention chin - he does seem to go out really really quickly - like a light - would that not be a sign to pack it in

You need a Phd to say that on this board :pac:

Dragan

soretoe wrote: »

anyone actually know how much Fedor making for these afflicition fights ?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

300k plus - but anyone know how much ?
Obviously he should by all reckoning be gettin the most spondoolix in the world of MMA by the logic that he's the recognised lb for lb best of the best but it's probably not true is it ? ..............coz guaranteed GSP and BJ will clean up more cash this weekend. Afflicitions pay per view figures are small I assume compared to UFC. Saw somethin like 100,000 buys for Day of reckoning - compared to say 1 million plus for Chuck V Tito. That's like $4m compared to $40m.

No offence, but your posts are a bitch to read, so to be honest i tend to not bother. Please tone down the number of symbols and such you use, try out proper sentence structure as well.

Remember, plenty of people on the net have different sets up and some have issues that affect their reading.....if i can't be bothered to read some of your posts i can only assume it's a right bitch for them.

soretoe

fair enough fair comment

cowzerp

Anderson Silva, Randy couture and the big wrestler (brock) has to be in the reckoning!

T-K-O

Fedor is on 300k plus PPV and Arvolski 1.5 million :eek:

ginoginelli

He beats Semmy handily enough imo. but it could be an interesting fight down the road if Semmy strings a few decent mma wins together.

The Lesnar match-up is probably the most intruiging one at the moment. Im not sure if either of them can stand up to each others punching power. I got the feeling in the Randy fight that Brock doesnt like to get hit. If Fedor turns up the pressure early in that match, I can see Brock folding.

If Fedor has one chink in his armour you might say it is his chin. We've seen him go a bit wobbly now on on numerous occaions. Brock hits like a freight train. If he connects and gets on top of fedor with that 50 or so pound weight difference, it could be all over.

soretoe

I don't think Semmy has even a slight chance against Fedor - I actually thought you were takin the piss. He's good at using his reach and his weird ability to use the knee as a jab and all that but he couldn't deal with a storm of Fedor overhands IMO and God help him against Brock who would make nice little origami shapes out of him : )

Kazooie

1) Barnett first obviously. Hopefully Affliction will have one more show at least.

2) Arlovski, on that showing deserves a rematch in my view so that should be next. If he stuck to the gameplan and didn't go for that reckless knee he was on the way to winning the first round. Fedor would have probably gotten him to ground as it went into the later rounds but had the look of a super fight. It still was don't get me wrong, just over too quickly.

Whether that will happen in Affliction is doubtfull if reumours about their financial situation are to be beleived.

3) I don't really care as long as it's not Lesnar.

Charlie3dan

Fedor vs:

1 Lesnar: Normal fighters don't trouble Fedor, maybe beasts do.
2 Mir: Not a fan of Frank, but based purely on his performance against Nog.
3: Overeem: I'd expect this to be either a great fight or another promising opponent crushed.

and no, I can't count:
4 Silva: Doubt it'll happen but man would I like to see it.


Fights I don't really wanna see:
Fedor vs:

1 Couture: Randy is past his best and Fedor is dangerous. Could be that one fight too many for Couture.
2 Bartnett: Take his last fight, controlled yvel throughout but couldn't finish him. Great fighter but I don't think he's the guy to stop Fedor.
3 Arlovski: On paper again he looks like the guy to beat Fedor but in reality it doesn't work that way.

soretoe

Some people think Overeem could be a good match - I don't reckon so - He's lost to Rua, Khartinov, Arona and Nog although he's still young and very big and very tall. But unfortunately he'd just lose - same way as the rest - honestly Brock is the only real chance - a bookie wouldn't bet against him - if he even taps fedor with one of his clubs - fedors asleep if he grabs fedor then fedor wont be able to utilise his genius clinch and throws coz brock is brock

Maynard

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Fedor vs:

1 Lesnar: Normal fighters don't trouble Fedor, maybe beasts do.
2 Mir: Not a fan of Frank, but based purely on his performance against Nog.
3: Overeem: I'd expect this to be either a great fight or another promising opponent crushed.

and no, I can't count:
4 Silva: Doubt it'll happen but man would I like to see it.


Fights I don't really wanna see:
Fedor vs:

1 Couture: Randy is past his best and Fedor is dangerous. Could be that one fight too many for Couture.
2 Bartnett: Take his last fight, controlled yvel throughout but couldn't finish him. Great fighter but I don't think he's the guy to stop Fedor.
3 Arlovski: On paper again he looks like the guy to beat Fedor but in reality it doesn't work that way.

Hong Man Choi (he's about 7ft 5) and weighs as much as a whale and he went the same was as every other human who takes on Fedor.

For my money; if I could pick his next three opponents it would be these three, and in this specific order;

Firstly; Gonzaga (can his power trouble Fedor?)
Second: Lesnar (it would be one of the most watchable mma fights in so many ways)
Finally: A Silva (beat the Spider and you can retire, as a millionaire and marry my sister any day)

Unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if none of the above ever happened

soretoe

why do people keep bringing up Anderson Silva - of course he's amazing but - he's a bloody 185 pounder - ya can't just wish him into the heavy weight division !!! If he put on 2 stone of muscle in the next year and then fought 3 or 4 medium to decent level heavyweights and beat them easily all in a row - then sure - and then ate about 17 steaks the night before weight in without goin the jacks he should get a chance at Fedor - otherwise - not gonna happen ever.......unfortunately - plus - he'd lose anyway coz Fedor is as good at what Silva does - with more power

Sorry soretoe but that one post was annoying the crap outta me and my browser was going all over the place from so I've edited it out so I can actually read this thread. Dragan already said his piece so I'm really just lettin ya know.


Thread fixed!




Barnett
Overeem
Lesnar

soretoe

Ok - so Barnett/Overeem/Brock/Mir are the best matches right?
Then what happens if he destroys them all including Brock?
Would everyone agree and I mean everyone in the universe - agree that this would make Fedor the greatest MMA fighter of all time bar none yada yada yada....

Raze_them_all

soretoe wrote: »

Ok - so Barnett/Overeem/Brock/Mir are the best matches right?
Then what happens if he destroys them all including Brock?
Would everyone agree and I mean everyone in the universe - agree that this would make Fedor the greatest MMA fighter of all time bar none yada yada yada....

The universe-Dana White(publicly he knows deep down) already agree's he is

Maynard

soretoe wrote: »

Ok - so Barnett/Overeem/Brock/Mir are the best matches right?
Then what happens if he destroys them all including Brock?
Would everyone agree and I mean everyone in the universe - agree that this would make Fedor the greatest MMA fighter of all time bar none yada yada yada....

Yeah, pretty much. It's not an exact science; "But such and such was past it then, had he fought him 3 years earlier etc etc" But looking at the records of "legends" who are currently still fighting (Couture/Hughes/Big Nog/Hendo/Cro Cop etc) you just can't argue with that thesis.

soretoe

soretoe wrote: »

Ok - so Barnett/Overeem/Brock/Mir are the best matches right?
Then what happens if he destroys them all including Brock?
Would everyone agree and I mean everyone in the universe - agree that this would make Fedor the greatest MMA fighter of all time bar none yada yada yada....

I don't think any sane MMA fan thinks anything else already. Fact is the ONLY 2 Heavyweights I see giving Fedor a decent fight (mainly due to style) 1 just got KO'd by him on Saturday night and the others up next. I don't think Lesnar can hang with him striking or sub wise (people saying Brocks defence has come along based on having Herring and Couture on their backs need to take a deep breath and calm down - I think Mir will expose him quick again same way Hallman did Hughes)

lafors

cowzerp wrote: »

His lack of chin is nothing to do with Boxing, he was winning using his boxing skills up to that point, no individual skill in mma is enough though.
and a bad chin will be a bad chin no matter what skill you come from.

I find it funny everyone keeps pointing out Arlovskis "bad chin"
He got hit on the button, by a sweet looping overhand right........from Fedor to top it off. ANYONE would be out for the count on that punch.
I don't think you can say bad chin in that fight.
PS I also think Arlovski has a suspect chin, but in this case a "good" chin wouldn't have helped.

Arlovski deserves a rematch.
Let Barnett get KO'd by him first then Andrei can fight him.
As for Lesnar, by the time that fight would be possible, I think Lesnar will be so good I wouldn't give anyone a chance against him. Mir is going to be destroyed by him imho. And I don't think Mir would have much of a chance against Fedor.

cagefan

ginoginelli wrote: »

Ouch! You just hurt my eyes :eek:

So you think Arloski deserves a rematch? Yet you see him not getting out of round 1 again? Whats the reasoning behind having the rematch then?

Fedor v Arloski 2 is pointless at this stage. Possibly down the road if Arloski can beat some more top competition without getting knocked out again..

Sorry but I disagree, Arloski made a mistake and got caught, anyone could have thrown that punch and knocked Arloski out it had nothing to do with how great fedor is...until that point it was all Arloski, he even slightly rocked fedor a few times which I've never seen anyone else do. Arloski should get a rematch coz it had the possibility of being a great fight..IM sure he'll have to prove himself 1st to make it legit but I'd like to see it asap coz he looked great and unfazwed against him

Killme00

cagefan wrote: »

he even slightly rocked fedor a few times which I've never seen anyone else do.

hUH? Youtube is your friend.

cagefan

ur point being? Is that an attempt to suggest that I didnt see the fight correctly or that fedor has being rocked before..either way..being a twat must come naturally to you

Bubs101

If Fedor comes to the UFC his first opponent should be Cain Velasquez just because it's such a win win situation for the UFC. In Cain you have a guy who's really talented but doesn't have the charisma or big fights to claim a title shot yet and obviously what Fedor brings to the table needs no introduction. Their fights are close enough so you wouldn't have to wait that long to book it. Simple psychology as it's a wily old Russian against a young all-American, both unbeaten.

Why it's so good for the company is that should Fedor win like he probably would then you have a good fight and you can give people Fedor vs. Mir/Lesnar. But if Velazques wins you've gotten a new star and you still have Fedor vs. Randy to rehab him

Gdep

soretoe wrote: »

why do people keep bringing up Anderson Silva - of course he's amazing but - he's a bloody 185 pounder - ya can't just wish him into the heavy weight division !!! If he put on 2 stone of muscle in the next year and then fought 3 or 4 medium to decent level heavyweights and beat them easily all in a row - then sure - and then ate about 17 steaks the night before weight in without goin the jacks he should get a chance at Fedor - otherwise - not gonna happen ever.......unfortunately - plus - he'd lose anyway coz Fedor is as good at what Silva does - with more power

Thats a bit over the top now. As you've seen numerous times in mma weight is not a major factor. look at all the monsters of men that have been beaten by much smaller guys.i know usually the bigger guys are nowhere near as skilled as the guys that have beaten them but i think in the case of fedor vs. silva it would not be a factor. i think this would be a great fight and i hope it happens sooner rather than later.

Dragan

cagefan wrote: »

ur point being? Is that an attempt to suggest that I didnt see the fight correctly or that fedor has being rocked before..either way..being a twat must come naturally to you

Just for fun, as it is the MMA forum, if you break the rules and myself or Neil ban you it will be called a KO.

If you do something silly and get yourself banned, we'll call that a tap?

Either way, cagefan, take a time out.

ginoginelli

cagefan wrote: »

Sorry but I disagree, Arloski made a mistake and got caught, anyone could have thrown that punch and knocked Arloski out it had nothing to do with how great fedor is...

I got a few issues with your last post, but im just going to focus on the above comment.

Anyone could NOT have thrown that punch and it was totally indicative of how great Fedor is. I dont think theres too many heavyweights that could see Andrei jumping in with the knee and react so quickly, accuarately, powerfully and decisively. Andrei threw that flying knee in his last fights against very stellar competition and landed it. Fedors just a different kettle of fish..

To say anyone would have the ability to see Andrei setting up the flying knee and then to land the perfect punch, at the perfect time, is just daft.

Bubs101

ginoginelli wrote: »

To say anyone would have the ability to see Andrei setting up the flying knee and then to land the perfect punch, at the perfect time, is just daft.

Most fighters who have studied Arlovski would have seen it coming as the flying knee is something of a signature move for him. The punch however is not an ability shared by most fighters