New Groupset

Raam

I think my derailleurs are a bit knackered as shifting is getting rather cumbersome and unreliable no matter what adjustments I make, so I'm considering replacements.

Here is what I currently have:
9 speed cassette
105 front and rear derailleurs
105 shifters
Ultegra crankset

I'd like to make the replacement Ultegra 10 speed since my second bike is 10 speed and it will make it easier to swap wheels.
My hope is that I will only have to change the front and rear derailleurs and the cassette.
Will my 9speed 105 shifters and my Ultegra crankset need to be changed if I want 10 speed?

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penexpers

I would say the shifters would need to be changed - I think the cable pull on 10 speed is sufficently different to 9 speed that the two won't work together.

Edit: According to this...

http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/nl/index/tech_support/faq_s/compatibility.download.-Par70parsys-0016-downloadFile.html/Road_compatibility_chart_2008.pdf

I think the crankset should be ok.

Raam

What about crankset? Am I OK with my existing Ultegra cranks?

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

What about crankset? Am I OK with my existing Ultegra cranks?

It all depends on the exact model of ultegra etc as aparently the spacing changes both front and rear for 10-speed.

What about your wheels, or hubs, are they 10-speed compatible?

Raam

scottreynolds wrote: »

It all depends on the exact model of ultegra etc as aparently the spacing changes both front and rear for 10-speed.

What about your wheels, or hubs, are they 10-speed compatible?

Yup, wheels are fine.

peterk19

take a look at this it should answer all your questions

Linky

Raam

Looks like I'd need to change the shifters also, bummer. That basically doubles the price.

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

Looks like I'd need to change the shifters also, bummer. That basically doubles the price.

You should just go super record 11-speed.

Just kidding. It looks like buying a whole new group set could be the way to go -- I mean you might as well get new cranks and shave another few grams. Perhaps Ultegra-SL would be a good investment purchase.

DirkVoodoo

I can't see why the crankset would need to be changed:

http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/SI/Ultegra/FC6500/SI-16T0B_En_v1_m56577569830611829.pdf

http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/SI/SI_1G30E_001/SI_1G30E_001_En_v1_m56577569830616000.pdf

http://bike.shimano.com/publish/content/global_cycle/en/us/index/tech_support/tech_tips.download.-Par50lparsys-0004-downloadFile.html/10-speed%20Chain%20Installation.pdf

I would have thought that the difference in chain width might cause a problem, I'm not sure, but you should probably get new chainrings anyway.

PBK are selling the Chorus 09 11 speed for just under 800 euro, tempting???

TinyExplosions

Go for SRAM Rival... don't just upgrade bits, get a whole new groupset

Raam

Boys boys boys, this is not an invitation to spend my money for me! :pac:

peterk19

let me know if you are selling the 105 shifters thats all my trek 1200 needs to be fully 105

Raam

peterk19 wrote: »

let me know if you are selling the 105 shifters thats all my trek 1200 needs to be fully 105

If I go down this route, you can certainly have first dibs on em. Don't hold your breath waiting for them though as I tend to move slowly on things like this

peterk19

Raam wrote: »

If I go down this route, you can certainly have first dibs on em. Don't hold your breath waiting for them though as I tend to move slowly on things like this

no bother im in no rush the tiagra ones i have are doing the job fine,

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

Boys boys boys, this is not an invitation to spend my money for me! :pac:

Are you taking the piss... thats exactly what it is...

Maybe start a poll.... SRAM RED, SUPER RECORD, or DA (with electrics), or Lightweight Gear. We promise not to spend more than E4,000 - not including misc extras.

TinyExplosions

You know it makes sense... guaranteed compatibility, just perfect

DirkVoodoo

Ahem!

Chorus 11 Speed

Chips Lovell

If the shifting's gone crappy, you may just need new cables.

blorg

This is your Allez, right? I'd stick Di2 on it.

Raam

blorg wrote: »

This is your Allez, right? I'd stick Di2 on it.

Eh, let me get back to you on that one!

Tis the Allez alright

blorg

el tonto wrote: »

If the shifting's gone crappy, you may just need new cables.

Actually, +1 on that, I spent hours trying to adjust the rear derailleur on my Focus, replaced the cable, 30 seconds of adjustment and it was shifting perfectly.

Raam

blorg wrote: »

Actually, +1 on that, I spent hours trying to adjust the rear derailleur on my Focus, replaced the cable, 30 seconds of adjustment and it was shifting perfectly.

It would certainly be cheaper, and I suppose I can live with still having 9 speed.

scottreynolds

el tonto wrote: »

If the shifting's gone crappy, you may just need new cables.

I hate it when people talk sense.

TinyExplosions

el tonto wrote: »

If the shifting's gone crappy, you may just need a new cables Groupset.

Listen to the man Raam, he speaks sense

Bunnyhopper

You could get a Centaur Carbon groupset for about the same as the SRAM Rival. Then you'd maybe need new hubs, and sure you might as well get new wheels while you're at it. And you should probably put new tyres on to get the best out of them...

I can see this ending up as an upgrade after which the only surviving part is the bottlecage

Although, in truth, it's worth trying the new-cables option first.

Raam

I know it's not in stock (ha ha Scott, I read the whole thing this time), but would this be all I needed in order to overhaul the cables?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=2013

Gavin

Better get a decent pair of cable cutters too. And while you're at it, give the derailler springs a good blasting with wd40 or something to clean them out a bit.

scottreynolds

Raam wrote: »

I know it's not in stock (ha ha Scott, I read the whole thing this time), but would this be all I needed in order to overhaul the cables?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=2013

Yes. 5/6mm allen key,cable cutters, and potentially bar tape but thats all. its a pretty simple job.

peterk19

scottreynolds wrote: »

Yes. 5/6mm allen key,cable cutters, and potentially bar tape but thats all. its a pretty simple job.

Thats pretty much it you shouldnt need bar tape for shimano unless you are changing brake cables (that could be gears tho), if you need a loan of a crimping tool for a cable ends let me know looks better than using a pliers to crimp them,

blorg

You don't even need that entire set, you probably won't need to replace the outers (I didn't.)

Two gear cable inners £1.56
Cable Ends (Bag of 10) £1.52

That's all you need to fix your gears... You do need proper cable cutters also if you don't have them already.

Chips Lovell

I'd probably replace the housing too. It can get corroded and gunked up.

Raam

Can 10 speed chainrings be used OK on a 9 speed system?

http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=K8051
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=K8050

blorg

Raam wrote: »

Can 10 speed chainrings be used OK on a 9 speed system?

http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=K8051
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=K8050

Sheldon says yes:

Going the other direction, using wider chains with chainrings intended for narrower chains is not generally a major problem if there's only a one or two generation difference. The only problem you might run into is that the chain will be more liable to rub on the inside of the bigger cbainrings in the small/small crossover gears, gears you shouldn't be using in any case.

- http://sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html

Raam

Raam wrote: »

I know it's not in stock (ha ha Scott, I read the whole thing this time), but would this be all I needed in order to overhaul the cables?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=2013

I reckon I'm gonna go with this one
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=A8039
Cheaper and in stock.